AES PRICE GUIDE getting more accurate,work in progress.PLEASE READ AND CONTRIBUTE.

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Starting to help Shawn to keep the price guide in keeping with real market is a good challenge to show and to understand how the price guide can be useful for expert collectors and newcomers as well.

I would like to say,first of all,that all your suggestions will be considered to make the guide more useful and updated.

AS far as the old subject of the uselessness of the price guide or worse its damaging the neo geo scene,I can sure say that in years of neo geo purchasing(and not collecting,just purchasing) the guide was a good tool to keep the prices under control,i.e.,when I bought for example an art of fighting 2,I knew the real quite low value of the cart even if the seller was asking the double.
Going this way,when I got some rare home carts,I was aware of their value and so I bought knowing what I was buying was some way valuable.

Of course,Shawn keeps his role like always in the price guide.

Please email your suggestions and opinions to : fcgs@inwind.it.

On a side note,as I write,a FAKE Kizuna encounter is going on Ebay.
Please be aware of that and avoid being cheated,like it happened with Metal slug 1 US .

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I like the price guide and i reckon its probably spot on.

I know when i buy carts i use it for a reference and some of the guys i have bought stuff from have used it as well

:)
 
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good luck,Simone

difficult task


i'll try and help you as much as i can
 
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Thanks a lot Fran and Buster-Broon.

I hope in more support to keep the already good work up.
 
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Excellent. As a side maybe we should have more detail in the price guide like:

1) Loose Cart Pricing vs. Complete package
2) Prices based on condition (Shawn's game condition ranking would be a good start as a base for categories.
3) Realistic Converted Cart Pricing - some of the asking prices for these are way out of whack.
 
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Originally posted by Tiptonium:
<strong>Excellent. As a side maybe we should have more detail in the price guide like:

1) Loose Cart Pricing vs. Complete package
2) Prices based on condition (Shawn's game condition ranking would be a good start as a base for categories.
3) Realistic Converted Cart Pricing - some of the asking prices for these are way out of whack.</strong><hr></blockquote>


That's great Tiptonium!

Please email me with a real application idea so we can begin examining the upgrade.
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Incomplete AES cart (loose cart, missing manual)

FTL, it's a tough job so wish you good luck :)
 
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I think that the best thing we can do is send him an e-mail everytime we buy a Neo game in eBay or the Selling Forums or whatever and tell him the price and condition.
My contribution: Last week I bought in eBay KOF2001 JPN Complete Mint for 285USD.

I hope I receive it before weekend... <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />
 
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Difficult task, but, if there's one expert enough in deals and Neo market, that is you Simone...
I wish you good luck and give you my support :cool:
 
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In addition to the AES price guide update, how about updating the MVS price guide as well? Well, if possible.
 
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My suggestion is based on my previous complaint:

Amend it into the guide when the expensive, hard-to-find games go for LESS than what they're stated going rate is, because in the past, it seemed like only the instances where they went for crazy prices or just generally high prices, inflected some kind of change in their purported going rate according to the price guide, which is artificial inflation to me.

Have fun with the guide.

And actually, either put it in huge type, flashing letters or something, that the price range given is for games in USED, NEAR MINT CONDITION, not for the game no matter its condition. Got to drill that into some people's heads, and always remember, it is just a GUIDE.
 
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Originally posted by Solidus Snake:
<strong>In addition to the AES price guide update, how about updating the MVS price guide as well? Well, if possible.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I believe that the MVS price guide is being handled by Trieumanator. In my opinoin it's hard to make a guide...so hats off to both of you guys for taking on such a big task......remember though...you can't please ALL the people ALL the time........so there will be bitching regardless......Simone good luck on the AES price guide......I like your avatar name....price guide analyst.....that gave me a laugh....in a good way though.....

Originally posted by Tiptonium:
<strong>3) Realistic Converted Cart Pricing - some of the asking prices for these are way out of whack.</strong><hr></blockquote>

IMO that should be a seperate price guide on it's own as the fact that the price of the conversions depends on mutilple prices....
1-MVS cart
2-AES sac cart (depends on how many as well)
3-labor charge(not like there is a standard going rate on a conversion labor like automobiles)

That guide I think would be really hard to make accurate..........and gotta make sure that you make the differences clear.....

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Well,here we go:
just got the first suggestion.
Please have a look and express your opinions and if you agree with that .

All jap carts:


1. JAP Art of fighting - $35
2. JAP Art of fighting - $25
3. fatal Fury JAP - $25
3. 3 Count Bout - $30
4. King of fighters 94 - $55
5. KOF 98 - $120
6. KOF 2000 - $180
7. Super side kicks 2 $35
8. Last Blade $120
9.Real bout fatal fury - $60
10 .Fatal Fury 3 $55

from SaturnFAN"

Some titles seem to me pretty low such as the real bout 1..

Feel free to post or email to make the price guide the real neo geo price guide.

Thanks to Satirn fan so.

Jonathan(aka NeoBomberman) that condition of the cart will be put in light of course since it is really a key point for many.

Tiptonium,would be cool to have a first project of a converted price guide since Loren made good criticisms to be examined.

Thanks to Ocsmod and to Mitsuagi and Neverland who already sent suggestions.

Will be working more and update tomorrow some titles to begin.
(aready updated about neo turfmaster and gan gan)
 
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Yeah I put a bid on ebay for the fatal fury but lost out by a few dollars and it went for around $60.
Im not saying that the game goes for that all the time but the prices seems to be in that area.
 
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Originally posted by SaturnFAN:
<strong>Yeah I put a bid on ebay for the fatal fury but lost out by a few dollars and it went for around $60.
Im not saying that the game goes for that all the time but the prices seems to be in that area.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I agree Oliver that it is possible to get good deal but of course we must remember to refer to an AVERAGE price and to consider the CONDITION of a home cart.

A real bout fatal fury in TOILET PAPER condition of course is worth $40 but one in solid mint condition at least well more.
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Someone needs to be in constant vigle over e-bay and other places that Neo games are bought and sold. I can't remember for certain, but a while back (I think it was the Devils) someone was working on a price guide based on available sales prices for Neo Geo games. I think this would be an excellent start to a new price guide. Obviously a lot of games are not correctly priced in the current guide, and I can't think of a better way to evaluate a new price than to base it on what people are actually paying for them. How you go about doing this...I don't know, but hey that's just my 2 cents.

Good luck man, here's hoping for the best.

Criterionradiohead ;)
 
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Originally posted by Criterionradiohead:
<strong>I can't think of a better way to evaluate a new price than to base it on what people are actually paying for them. How you go about doing this...I don't know, but hey that's just my 2 cents.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Prices are calculated by researching actual sales conducted through various online sources. Actual sales are monitored from various boards & mailing lists, experiences from the Neo Store, & normal bidding prices at ebay. The ended auctions of ebay do hold relevance related to current market values.
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A wise solution for a great AES Price Guide would be a completly separated Euro/US from the other japanese carts as well from an other converted carts format. So 3 different and independant price guides would really rock.

Keep up the good work. That's why the Neo Geo's alive. :rolleyes: <img src="graemlins/eye.gif" border="0" alt="[Eye]" />
 
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I think the "common" titles need the most work. People often list them for sale according to the guide, but considering they're usually availble 10 bucks (sometimes more) cheaper on eBay, I can't imagine they sell them very often at those prices.

IMO, for games that are frequently sold in auctions, the final bidding prices should dictate what a game listed for in the guide.
 
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Hey Simone, just wait a few more days...

Then buddy, check your mail. ;)
 
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Originally posted by Nick Goracke:
<strong>I think the "common" titles need the most work. People often list them for sale according to the guide, but considering they're usually availble 10 bucks (sometimes more) cheaper on eBay, I can't imagine they sell them very often at those prices.

IMO, for games that are frequently sold in auctions, the final bidding prices should dictate what a game listed for in the guide.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes,that direction will be taken as well.
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Don't know if it'll be helpfull but... Prices on Euro market are way different on specific titles. A bad habit here on the old continent is to put the prices up to the US price (with no other reason) and to keep the high euro prices the same, even if US price is lower.
I really hope that the fusion of Ebay with national european auctions sites will stop this and make the prices more universal.
But if it's not the case, it would be cool to think about europe in a different way than US market. For example, i remember AOF3 or KOF96 at high prices here, cuz there were hard to find during a period in USA. In Europe, they was not that rare...

Maybe Adol could give you a great opinion on that subjkect until he's a great seller in both euro and us market.
 
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Good point, Vince. The avg. market prices over here in Europe differ from time to time. This is due to the fact that about 80% of the carts have to be imported which pushes the prices even more (customs fees, taxes, shipping cost, etc.).

I have seen German shops offering stuff like WH2Jet for 105 Euros (about $97). Asked why the price is so high, the shop owner replied that he had to pay $30 for shipping and customs alone. While in this case the owner must be silly (or greedy), the fact still remains that we here have to play considerably more for certain carts.

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Simone, I know that rare games in sub-mint condition will fetch a lower price, but even in near mint condition they do not always get their "price guide value" which are the sales which seemed to be ignored in the book-keeping. Come to think of it, what about those 2 used Kabuki Klash home carts I just sold? (150 & 160 shipped) One was truly ultra near mint (even my buyer said it's perfect), the other one ~near mint, yet will such sales ever have any impact on the figures in the guides? I realize these are only two examples (my 3rd copy was new, so the $300 it went for, according to the guide, should perhaps be ignored), but even so, with "rare" games I don't see why every one shouldn't count, as logically, there ought not to be that many instances of sale to begin with. But as it was already mentioned, we TRULY do need a separate column for games in less-than-mint condition. I guess there are a few ways to try and go about it. I'll input more later as I have an exam to get to.

Also, I personally think this aspect needs a solid revision: scarcity.

Some of the games seem to be ranked according to how often they come up for sale. Others according to our knowledge or hypotheses about how many of game X were produced. In a proper price guide, we CAN NOT have such an inconsistency, as it would perpetually throw into question the reliability of the guide. For example, Dunk Dream/Street Hoop and Aero Fighters 2, or Shock Troopers 2nd Squad, how often do we see them, even though they are "uncommon," yet some "rare" or games like Mark of the Wolves we can find often enough. ... I see MotW Jp & US have had a change in scarcity. Well that's quite good. Now even games like Crossed Swords & Magician Lord, listed as common, I find very few of for sale. I'm not the only one looking for the game, but still, if any of you want the game badly, see how few you will find right away.

Anyway, I'm off now.
 
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