State Of The Arcade Industry And Scene...

BioMotor_Unitron

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Well, in America it is not a pretty sight. Shiny new arcade games getting barely any play, because people download the ROMs of the games, or because a console version that is arcade perfect, or nearly so, comes out six months later. The 'Net and online play has pretty much killed the social aspect of it, so about the only time games get play is at places like movie theatres, college campuses, etc., where people can play them while waiting for a movie to start, or between classes.

"Street corner arcades," as I like to call them, had trouble surviving back in the 90's, and it certainly does not look any better now. They do O.K. in some cases, when combined with Lazer Tag, or whatever they are calling it these days. Things seem to be moving towards the "super store paradigm" with arcades though, as is demonstrated with GameWorks, where you can experience games such as Vertical Reality, which cannot be duplicated on a console or emulator.

I really do not see a future for arcades in America the way things are going.

Japan and Hong Kong they are still doing well, but indicators are that they might be on a slow downward slope there as well, although new game genres are bringing in more casual players that might not normally frequent an arcade.

Then there is Korea. Arcades are doing booming business from the numbers I have seen, despite the popularity of online gameplay and other factors that have helped kill such things in the U.S. Up and coming game design companies seem to be doing well, although they are not quite caught up to Japan when it comes to their arcade technology. They seem to be going for substance over style in their games though, whereas in Japan they seem to be slowly falling victim to the "pretty pictures make a good game" syndrome.

Might we see Korea surpass Japan as the premier country when it comes to arcade games? Might we see the JAMMA standard get left behind, to be supplanted by the KAMMA standard? Only time will tell.

If there were a way to do it though, I would pack up my bosses' business and ship it to South Korea. ;)
 

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Who knows, maybe the next generation of Hard Core Gamers/FanBoys/Etc. will be learning Korean to be able to play the good games, instead of Japanese. ;)
 

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i agree bio, arcades have been going the way
of the dino for some time now.
it took this long for my arcade to get kof 2001
and even then i m sure they didnt even buy
it new from SNK or a vendor.
you see my local arcade operator buys cheap boards
off ebay. nothing wrong with that but
the fact that the man refuses to buy anything
unless it brings an immediate profit to his arcade
means he wont buy new games for the express purpose
that they re too high and the return may be higher
but hes willing to wait for them to be around 200
or so.
even if the demand for it goes down.
so of course that sets off the small chainreaction
of not buying it direct, to the producers of the
board not profiting, to the producers getting out
of the business and shifting to other things.
ie. midway, and soon to be capcom.
whats their last game? cvS2... and what else?
i havent seen capcom v SNK 2 soon and dont
plan to since ive been told by workers that the first
one didnt do well at all so probably not.
so basically hes running a ghetto arcade that
deals mostly with older games.
hes not bad though, and hes not alone.
i mean hes just looking out for himself really.
the profits have gone down and arcades just
arent doing as well here.
i dont blame him. just being smart really, and watching
his back.
i think roms are pretty bad. wrong and stupid.
but i think that the main problem is that console
games are stealing the lime light.
not only does consoles get most of the cream of the
crop from the arcades, but they get alot of the
titles that are more custom made for single play.
playing Metal Slug at home isnt as fun as playing
it with a friend at the arcade but people are
willing to sacrifice that for the comfort of not
leaving the house.
the best idea would be to create an arcade that
is part of something else.
like a miniture golf course or a gathering place
of people where they can hang out at.
stand alone arcades are like personal businesses.
you usually go directly to them. not usually
stop by spontaneously.
so chances are if your not a regular then thats
one less person you dont really have to frequent it.
go fig.
 

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man, if korean became the major gaming language i would be all over that!

its so much easier than japanese

that would rule :)

my arcade bites. theres only delux cabs, and ddr.

they got rid of the neo with kof2k (bastards) so theres next to no hope for kof2k1 or any of the new neo games.

the last time i went there, they had planet harriers though. that game is awesome! but with my luck, its probably gone by now :(

oh and ofcourse they still have marvel vs. streetfighter, x-men vs. street fighter, marvel vs. capcom2, and sfa3 (on a big ass 50" screen)

but no neo

bastards!
 

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Originally posted by Winston Goh:
<strong>Going to the game arcades is a good way to get bashed up by punks! :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

That's why I never wanted to go into arcades here in the US. Too many thuggish looking people. It's dirty. Bad atmosphere.

I'd love to play arcade games in a more friendly place where low-class looking people would be stopped at the door. Dave and Busters doesn't count because they have no good arcade games, just high prices, and a lot of cigaret smoke.

Japan was no different - dirty looking oyaji at a pachinko machine, smoking. But the games there were right out of the stocks, new stuff. And then the people that actually play fighting games are usually quite good. I played most at the arcades outside the Hiroshi station in Yokohama while I was in Japan. Of course I didn't have a neo geo with me, so an arcade was an excellent substitute. :)
 

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Yes this news is very sad indeed. I am all for arcades, I love them. I am actually in school for game design and want to get into the arcade industry but with what is happening to the industry, it is getting harder and harder to get in. Wish I knew someone. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 

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Am disagreeing in the general arcade game scene. Street locations are still doing quite well all around when given a good mix of games. Larger FEC and places in that line, the redemption pieces have a VERY strong foothold. Neo Geo games are still good in most every mix, so they still hold their own. the fighting games do ok on the street locations while the cuter games such as Bust A Move excel in FEC locations.
(My financier runs a giant game route so I keep up my knowledge in such things...)
 

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In Chile and probably in many South American countries the Neo Geo is everywhere! I recently was there and I went into a huge arcade that had 65% Neo Geo cabinets. Im talking Fatal Fury, Kof 98,99,2000, Metal Slug 1,X,3.

You see arcades do well when the majority of the public cant afford home consoles. In the city I was in there are a lot of poor kids. So if they scrap up a few pesos they get 2 or so plays! Add the fact that home consoles cost so much there, its insane.

They even had glass incased SNK posters on the wall!
 

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Well the only Arcade I have access to now is the one in ChinaTown, basically it's been around for some years, and they always often seem to get the latest Games. That's where I saw Garou for the First time and decided to get back my Neo, those players down there are pretty good when it come's to the fighters, but the real king of that arcade is the 2 Huge Dance Dance Machines, players are going crazy for that, if your into exercise and losing weight that's the game to be playing.
In any case I see that arcade going Strong because the support Snk game very Strongly, and There are 2 local import Shops right around the corner so it's all good for now. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />
 

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The town I'm from basically has two choices of arcades, neither of which cater to the Neo Geo taste.

One is a family owned arcade that mostly has Pac Man, Tetris, some Pinball, Mortal Kombat, and some of the older stuff. Last time I was their, they had a cabinet converted into a Tekken Tag game. They've had 3 different neo games in the past 5 years: Puzzle Bobble, Puzzle De Pon, and Samurai Showdown.

The other is Aladdin's castle. Very Anti-Neo. I stopped going there once they took out Jambo Safari from Sega.

I've never seen a cab with Metal Slug or KoF around here, so needless to say I've never played either(cept for KoF 97 on NGCD). The most I've seen is Samurai Showdown 3 in a movie theatre

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The two main arcades around where i live have been there in various forms for quite a while. One in each of the main malls, one is an alladins castle, and the other used to be a funscape, but is now just a regular arcade. The second of the 2 is kind of a scummy place though. Youll usually get approached at least once by drug dealers while your in there just trying to play a game. What is actually cooler than either of these though, is a Mr. gatteys, or one of the putt-putt golf places. All of these have either 4 or 6 slot MVSs with various games, and a variety of other classic (not pacman classic, but older games) games.

There was actually a pretty diecent atricle on <a href="http://www.shoryuken.com" target="_blank">shoryuken.com</a>about the arcade scene in the US and they interviewed a guy who had recently started his own arcade and he talked about what it was like from an owners point of view and what he had found to work/not work and what you had to do if you wanted to stay alive.
 

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DDR is pretty much the only reason I go to arcades any more. :(

That and the pool hall around here that has Strikers 1945 III :D
 

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Going to the arcades is a hassle, none near me. I do try to go whenever I can, but then theres no one to play anyway. Really lame. What the arcades need is a new gimick, like DDR. Karaoke Street Fighter?

If you ever see a DIY on the high scores, know I've been there.
 

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There are some states that have good arcades.
Take for instance where I live. In Maryland there are lots of real arcades ranging from neo-geo type games to the recent capcom games like capcom vs. snk 2. Oh yeah and Tekken 4.
Don't forget places in California have good arcades.
So I feel the arcade scene is more less the same.
 

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B_U:

Read my thread about the Korean arcade industry

<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=007933" target="_blank">http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=007933</a>

As I said, Korea and Taiwan just got started developing arcade games and they're 10 yrs behind Japan and US, but these games are just what I want, gameplay over graphics.

I played the first Korean developed arcade game "Come On Baby" and got absolutely addicted to the game, despite the difficulty (also straining my arms and fingers). Now, I wish Korea, Taiwan, and other parts of Asia would stay at this pace and produce only 2D games with great game plays, like Neo-Geo.
 

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Where do you live in Maryland?

Originally posted by DarkRurouni:
<strong>There are some states that have good arcades.
Take for instance where I live. In Maryland there are lots of real arcades ranging from neo-geo type games to the recent capcom games like capcom vs. snk 2. Oh yeah and Tekken 4.
Don't forget places in California have good arcades.
So I feel the arcade scene is more less the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>
 

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Yeah, my arcade blows monkeys too. Next to nobody in there, and a bunch of shit for fighting games. Hmm, what's this? A barely played Tekken 4 machine? Muahahahaha, I wonder why? I actually played a round of it, and I must say I wasn't pleased. Sluggish control. It used to be such a great arcade, such cool stuff. Guess it's gone... Hold me... <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />
 
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I miss the arcades. I grew up as a Navy brat, so wherever my dad was stationed next, I'd find an arcade. I never had a problem, until about 1995, in Tyler, Texas. Then I came to Kentucky, and the problem got worse. I did eventually track down three or four arcades, however, none of them are great.

Not one has a Neo. As a matter of fact, I've seen a grand total of two Neo MVS machines in this state, and they were 1 slots, at Pizza Huts. I tried valiantly to buy one, but no luck.

The best I've found is in Florence, which is almost in Ohio... Pretty far from me. Of course, it has a lot of Capcom fighters, has all the Tekken games (why? Why have 1,2,3,Tag,and 4 all in a row?), Time Crisis, some Sega racers and shooters, and a couple of DDR knockoffs that I've never seen working. No Neo... The worse part though? No one playing. Rarely is there ever competition going, there's usually 1-4 people in the arcade. Sad...

I'm almost dumbfounded, it's been around 2 years, and finally, I'm in agreement with BMU. The arcade industry, at least in Kentucky, maybe the entire US, is doing badly.
 

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Originally posted by Supermario:
<strong>In Chile and probably in many South American countries the Neo Geo is everywhere! I recently was there and I went into a huge arcade that had 65% Neo Geo cabinets. Im talking Fatal Fury, Kof 98,99,2000, Metal Slug 1,X,3.

You see arcades do well when the majority of the public cant afford home consoles. In the city I was in there are a lot of poor kids. So if they scrap up a few pesos they get 2 or so plays! Add the fact that home consoles cost so much there, its insane.

They even had glass incased SNK posters on the wall!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good point, Supermario. Arcades do better in countries where the home console equivalent is ridiculously expensive due to currency exchange rates. In the U.S. you used to have to go to the arcade to experience the real game, instead of a watered down Atari 2600 version, so even though there were consoles available, the arcade business was still booming.
 

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I still remember when Ms. Pac-Man was a brand new game in Anchorage. The employees at the Anchorage Roller Rink had to empty the machine of quarters several times a day. People went there just to play it. You never see anything like that with arcade games these days. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />
 

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Things are getting worse in Spanish arcade busines. I live in a village (20.000 hab). 5 years ago, there were 3 local arcade places fully filled with neogeo games!! Ah, good times. There I started to love SNK games.

But 4 years passed, and ... misteriously ALL :eek: the locals closed. Man, I got a shock; do you know what happens when you love something that you have eventually and suddenly disappears with nonsense? (like loosing a girldfriend).

After about one year without arcades, a rumor extended that one local is "reviving". I decided to go and take a look. What a disappointment!! :(
The worse of the society combined in the place : Nazi looking like people, ass punks, drug dealers .... and only ONE neo cab with FF2 (ouch), 3 pinballs and a Sega racing game (don't remember name, I only stayed in the place about 30 sec.). Very dense smoke atmosphere, and an old-zombielike-semidead-crap man shouting at the people to not destroy the machines. First time and last going to that horrible place. <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

But in Barcelona things are different. There, only are BIGGER arcade places, with lots of arcade games from Sega, Namco, etc ... and a minority of Neo games. But you have to see to belive!! Every Sunday morning, people are waiting to play KOF games while next to it, Tekken4 and VirtuaFighter4 cabs are absolutely abandoned!!!

In resume, seeing what happens here, I only can say that small locals are going to die, while bigger arcade places are growing!! (Because that i'm planning to buy my own AES to revive the good times)

Hope you understand my post! :D

<PD> Majority of people playing Neo games are south american/asian immigrants or Neo hardcore fans.
 
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