Would this be illegal?

BryLmoo

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Would it be illegal to reproduce, a non-offical, 3rd party neo-geo home console? I meen, how long has it been since SNK\Playmore stopped making this system? I meen, common...would they really care if someone decided to make some out of their own pocket?
 

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...

i know "YES" might be an easy answer, but really...

don't patents usually wear out after a certain amount of time?

common...give me an educated answer.
 

tsukaesugi

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Patents run out after something like 50 or 70 years, so you've got awhile to wait.
 

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tsukaesugi:
Patents run out after something like 50 or 70 years, so you've got awhile to wait.
wheres teh homo sausage?
 

Robert Wallace

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That would be pretty cool to see different Neo Hardware.

The only other console I know of that had 3rd party manufacturer's was the Atari 2600.

There were other companies that made the Atari hardware like the Sear's model and a few from Brazil and other places.

Were there any other systems that had 3rd party distributers for video game consoles?
 

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I don't think it'll be illegal, unless you try to sell it.
 

tsukaesugi

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BryLmoo:
tsukaesugi:
Patents run out after something like 50 or 70 years, so you've got awhile to wait.
wheres teh homo sausage?
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Isn't "YES" enough?

Anyone else care to elaborate?
 

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Patents are the right to control the commercialization of your idea that lasts either 14 years or 20 years depending on the type of invention.
 

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well, there you go...a couple more years, and we may be able to produce our own neoss
 

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To relese a third party game for a system you need their permission to use they're name, and you need to pay them. I think.
 

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Robert Wallace:
That would be pretty cool to see different Neo Hardware.

The only other console I know of that had 3rd party manufacturer's was the Atari 2600.

There were other companies that made the Atari hardware like the Sear's model and a few from Brazil and other places.

Were there any other systems that had 3rd party distributers for video game consoles?
There were Hitachi and Victor made saturns ( the Hi-Saturn and V-Saturn). There were also a few variants of the wondermega (the JVC XEYE pops to mind). Also multiple complanies manufactured cdi devices, and IIRC there was a DC with a screen built in (not the lcd treamcast, but a crt, and it was licensed.
 

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Talen:
Robert Wallace:
That would be pretty cool to see different Neo Hardware.

The only other console I know of that had 3rd party manufacturer's was the Atari 2600.

There were other companies that made the Atari hardware like the Sear's model and a few from Brazil and other places.

Were there any other systems that had 3rd party distributers for video game consoles?
There were Hitachi and Victor made saturns ( the Hi-Saturn and V-Saturn). There were also a few variants of the wondermega (the JVC XEYE pops to mind). Also multiple complanies manufactured cdi devices, and IIRC there was a DC with a screen built in (not the lcd treamcast, but a crt, and it was licensed.
I remember seeing a Goldstar 3DO for sale before. Does anybody know if the Korean "Vic-A" AES console is a third party?

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Rade K

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I dont know.

Isnt the Neo composed of off the shelf parts? If you release a toaster that happens to play a certain largish 13 year old videogame cart, is that going to be a problem?

There are all kinds of fake MegaDrives, and Famicoms, why not a neo? It would be cool.
 

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yeah, and seriously, would it be THAT hard to do? I mean, I don't think the parts would be that hard to find...old electronics parts are all over the place.

first you'd need to come up with some SNK schematics tho.
 

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@Bry: Yes it would be illegal. copyrights last at least 75 years. Playmore would care and shut them down.

@Jedite: Infringing on copyright is infringing on copyright whether you profit from it or not really.

@Rade: Fake megadrives and famicoms are illegal and nintendo (probably not sega anymore) were trying to take down all those guys throughout the console's life, and most likely they still do try to shut down companies with the potential to make fake n64s 'n whatever.

@cth: Using SNK schematics would really seal the imprisonment deal.
 

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Hmmm I remember something about if you reverse engineer something you're in the clear. Not sure if this could be applied to making a new neo or not.
 

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Regarding patents they last between 10 to 50 years (depending on the type of patent - intelectual property, ingeneering, design...), and you can renew them once.

HOWEVER if you can prove that the original owner of the patent has stopped using his patent (I think the legal delay is 3 or 5 years) or if you come with serious improvement on the original patent you have the right to distribute and sell your new product.
In our case you would have to prove that the actual owner of the Neo Geo design and specs is not using them anymore.

In any case it is always better to have the agreement from the original patent owner or be prepared to have a real good defense to prove your claim that the patent was left unsused, or come with a serious improvement in design.

Be aware that patent law is also different depending on which country it was first deposited. Countries like China have easier rules than teh US or Europe for example.

I believe a company like SNK has deposited the patent in most countries and therefore own the right to Neo Geo design in them. If you live in a remote country (let's say Azerbaidjan just for fun) the patent might not be deposited and it could be easier, but you can only distribute your new Neo in countries where the original patent was not deposited. After that comes the pb of games which are still published as of today and might be an asset to the owner of Neo Geo to prove that it still uses its original patent.

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c.t.h

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I dunno, I wish they'd let somebody make a new AES. Could probably be sold for like 99 bucks. Just farm it out to some 3rd party chinese company.
 

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Talen:
...there was a DC with a screen built in (not the lcd treamcast, but a crt, and it was licensed.
Yeah, the Divers 2000 CX-1 model. Turqouse and nice. I have one here right beside me. Too bad that the video uses RCA instead of RGB =(

still cool though
 

m_bish0p

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you couldn't realease a 'neo geo aes'...but you could release an 'Unofficial AES compatible console' as long as you didn't use thier patents to make it. It's a fairly simple peice of hardware, so making something that's compatable shouldn't be that hard.

It would be in the same legal area as Emulators. As long as you didn't copy licenced software, it's legal....it's basically a hardware emulator, in hardware. heh.
 
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I think basically if you're not sure the answer to this question you're not qualified to even consider doing it.

Hmmm I remember something about if you reverse engineer something you're in the clear.
The USA has passed all sorts of stupid short-term lame-brained laws that now prevent you from tinkering with your own hardware for basically any reason. Reverse engineering outside an education institution is illegal. Modifying your own DVD player is illegal. Bypassing any kind of electronic security is illegal, regardless of who owns it or what you intend to do with it. Land of the free my ass.

Duplicating the neo isn't as simple as hooking up a couple of cart slots to a Z80 and a 68000, there's a lot of custom logic in there too (Which is what separates the Neo from the Genesis, which uses the same CPUs).

Then there's the cost issue - Why fab your own chips and make your own PCBs when you can buy a computer to do all this via emulation for <$200?
 

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If you don't sell it's not illegal.
once you by something you can do what ever you want with it.

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