Original MVS Titles "Released" with Eproms.???... Updated Pics......

Robert Wallace · Nov 26, 2002

MVS owners,

I'm sure this topic has been discussed before but I would like to make up a list of MVS games that were Released with Eproms in the game.

I own 9 MVS games with Transparent Cases and out of the 9 there are 5 which contain Eproms.

At the present I own roughly 70 MVS titles.... these are the only MVS games I know of that contain Eproms.

I would appreciate any input on this matter.......

How can anyone know which MVS titles which contain Eproms are Bootleg copies or ones that were just made with them?

Here is my list of MVS games that Have Transparent Cases and Contain Eproms in them:

English Lable: FATAL FURY 2
English Lable: SAMURAI SHOWDOWN
English Lable: 3 COUNT BOUT

Japanese Lable: PUZZLE DE PON
Japanese Lable: 3 COUNT BOUT

The ENGLISH Labled MVS games do have Serial Numbers both on the Lable itself and on the Silver Serial Number Sticker on the side of the cart.

The Japanese MVS games do not have any serial numbers at all.....???

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I will crack open all of my games to check for this. I have opened up a few of my more expensive titles to make sure I didn't buy a bootleg but now I want to open up all of them.

I will take some pics of these when I get to it. So far I have only came across 1 known bootleg copy I won in an Ebay Auction. I was pissed but the seller was very cool and refunded my $$$. I have a pic of that game also.
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If this has already been discussed before and ther is a list compiled on this subject, can someone please post a link to the website?

I would also like to know how can you tell if it is a bootleg game or not if it does contain Eproms?

All of the Eproms in my carts look factory made in all of the soldering and there is no homemade looking wiring...etc...

Please dont flame me or post stupid shit about ROMMMzz I just want to know about this and I'm sure other MVS owners may want to know aswell.

Any help/information would be appreciated,

Robert...

[ November 28, 2002: Message edited by: Robert Wallace ]

slerch666 · Nov 26, 2002

I have several MVS carts that have EPROMS, actually, quite a few of them have them. Were mine all repairs? Who knows. I do know that the Samurai Spirits cart I have was a repair. Everything looks damn near perfect on it, except for the EPROMS with the colored chalk maks on them. I'm pretty sure it was a repair, when you look at it, everything in it, except the EPROMs are 100% SNK. Could still be a boot, but I doubt it.

As far as telling if you have a boot, there are some pretty easy ways to tell. Look at <a href="http://www.neogeousa.com/" target="_blank">Arcade's</a> website. On the main page (right now anyway) there is a picture of the insides of a boot ROTD. Nothing in that cart looks to be SNK, and the chips aren't even in the proper layout! Are all boots that easy to spot? Probably not. But if yours looks official on the inside, it's probably official. Just because a game has EPROMs, doesn't mean it's a bootleg.

Sometimes while testing the carts out, a bug is found. It's cheaper to scrap on ROM chip and swap in a "new" EPROM than it would be to scrao it all and start from scratch. That's why a lot of official MVS carts have EPROMs.

If your cart has wires in it though, I can ALMOST guarantee it is a boot. Especially MOTW.

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Robert Wallace · Nov 26, 2002

Here is a picture of the game I won on Ebay a while back... it has shitloads of Eproms in it but it does not look like a homemade job.

Anyways I complained alot and the seller refunded my money.....It is pretty hard for me to tell which ones are boots or not???

The lable on the Pop N' Bounce looks like it was an original lable but it was written on and then taped up with clear tape. The Eproms and the messed up lable made me think it was a boot.

I will post all the pics of my MVS games w/Eproms here...pretty soon

chris1 · Nov 27, 2002

That's great Robert I'm looking forward to seeing the pics...Thank's

Robert Wallace · Nov 27, 2002

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biocat · Nov 27, 2002

I have a Fatal Fury Special kit w/ matching serials (#17856), original labels, the whole shibang. It is original. The cart has one eprom and it is taped over much like those three English mvs carts you have are.

I'll post a pic if I can get access to a good camera, but I don't really feel like opening the thing up. You can see the eprom fine through the clear case.

Sounds like it's mostly early releases that contain these.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: biocat ]

slerch666 · Nov 27, 2002

Originally posted by Robert Wallace:
Here is a picture of the game I won on Ebay a while back... it has shitloads of Eproms in it but it does not look like a homemade job.

Anyways I complained alot and the seller refunded my money.....It is pretty hard for me to tell which ones are boots or not???

The lable on the Pop N' Bounce looks like it was an original lable but it was written on and then taped up with clear tape. The Eproms and the messed up lable made me think it was a boot.

I will post all the pics of my MVS games w/Eproms here...pretty soon<hr></blockquote>

I can almost guarantee that's a boot. You see those white outlines on the boards? THAT'S where the ROM chips are SUPPOSED to be, not all over the place like the one you have there (that's not always a good indicator, but the chips don't look to be SNK originals either).

After looking at the pix of your other carts, I'd say your Puzzle de Pon, while not a boot, looks more like a repair job. I say this because the chips are all in the right spot and only like 3 or 4 of the chips are EPROMS. It LOOKS like at least one of the EPROMS was an "original" SNK one, as it's covered over in the same fashion that most of the EPROMS in my carts are. The EPROMs with the black squiggly lines are likely replacements for bad ROMS that were on the board and someone well versed in the art of cart repair fixed it using EPROMs (not like you're going to find SNK shipping you replacements, so you have to do something. First you find a working copy, or find the ROM on the 'net, and "burn" the image of the faulty chip to the EPROM. Remove the bad chip, replace with the EPROM and BAM! you're back in business).

With the titles you've put up so far, except Pop N Bounce, all look like originals.

Bishamon · Nov 27, 2002

Original SNK games I have with EPROMS:

Art of Fighting - MVS English
Art of Fighting 2 - MVS English
Fatal Fury Special - MVS English
King of Fighters '96 - MVS Japanese

RabbitTroop · Nov 27, 2002

Your Puzzle D Pon is a bootleg, same with the Pop n Bounce, and the 3 Count Bout looks suspesct, the others look original. There is deffinetly a run of Sam Showdown without EPROMs, as I have one. Basicly, the first clue is those bootlegs had scribbling on the EPROM chips. If they were machine manufactured there would be no need for that! The writting was so people could distinguish what they just burned. The Pop in Bounce is a decent PnB Boot, I have seen worse, but it is a bootleg none the less.

-Nick

Amano Jacu · Nov 27, 2002

I have some transparent MVS which I think are original but have some EEPROMS:

Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special
Super Sidekicks 2

I've made pics of them without opening them. If somebody provides me the space I'll upload them.

Also, I've opened a Garou MotW that just arrived from Cosmicco, that has some EEPROMS and one of them has a wire. The rest looks original (it uses Toshiba chips mostly) and plays great, I fifnished it and had a "bad" ending after defeating Grant (no Kain showed up!). I've made some pics, definately I'd love to upload them somewhere.

Can somebody provide me some space for me to upload cart pics?

supergoose · Nov 27, 2002

english labeled puzzle bobble.

Robert Wallace · Nov 27, 2002

Originally posted by Amano Jacu:
I have some transparent MVS which I think are original but have some EEPROMS:

Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special
Super Sidekicks 2

I've made pics of them without opening them. If somebody provides me the space I'll upload them.

Also, I've opened a Garou MotW that just arrived from Cosmicco, that has some EEPROMS and one of them has a wire. The rest looks original (it uses Toshiba chips mostly) and plays great, I fifnished it and had a "bad" ending after defeating Grant (no Kain showed up!). I've made some pics, definately I'd love to upload them somewhere.

Can somebody provide me some space for me to upload cart pics?<hr></blockquote>

If you want to send me your pics to my email I will upload them for you.

Email: robert.wallace@attbi.com
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Nruva,

So how can you tell if they are boots or just Eprom repairs or whatever? I do not disagree with you but I would like to know how to distinguish the difference in them.

I hope other people will post some pics of their carts...or just send them to me I will post them for anyone who will send me pics.

There seem to be a lot of MVS games out there with Eproms. What about my 3 English Lable MVS games above? "Samurai Showdown" and the others have those Silver Serial Number Stickers on them.

I would not think they were bootleg games with those stickers on them....this may sound stupid but the stickers do seem ledgit.

So if the stickers dont mean they came from the facotry like that then what about other MVS games that have them? I am going to open up all of my MVS games just to check.

I will have to destroy those Silver Serial Number Stickers to do this....Just like I did with "Samurai Showdown".

Anyways...about the Samurai Showdown and the other 2 games. They do have the original serial stickers, but they are suspected boots because of?

Thanks,
Robert

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Robert Wallace ]

HPMAN · Nov 27, 2002

Puzzle de pon is 100% bootleg.

When official carts contains EPROMs, 99.999% of the time they're used for program code (P chips) and (or) M1/S1 chips.

Let's look at your puzzle de pon : EPROM P1, V1, M1, S1, C1, C2. To say it short, all he game content is on EPROMs. Fine, C3-8 chips are official but not from puzzle de pon (check NGH# on them).

Another clue is having 74LS08 & 74LS74 chips installed on the PROGBK1 board, where puzzle de pon don't need those. Since when companies waste several thousands of chips ?

Another clue can be checking manufacture date of chips (all of those wears date code).

Anyway EPROM bootlegs are limited to very small games, others are produced using flash chips (such as your pop'n bounce) or one time only programmable devices.

Robert Wallace · Nov 27, 2002

I just found another Transparent MVS game in my collection. This has the Serial Number Sticker on the side and Serial Number on the Lable.

I will take some pics of this "Art of Fighting 2" and a few other titles I bought on Ebay and some from other members here....
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Spinmaster....it is in one of those White SNKG cases....has 2 Eproms and some odd looking chips.

Puzzled from MD games: No Eproms but the chips dont look like my other Original MVS games (Toshiba Chips).

Top Hunter from Ebay: 1 Eproms along with several other odd looking chips.

I have left my digital camera in my co-workers car, I will get it back this weekend and post all of these pics here.

From my collection these games are the only ones I have that make me wonder about being Boots or Not.

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About the Transparent MVS games with Serial Numbers, it seems like there are a lot of these with Eproms.

I have 4 other different games with Transparent cases that do not Contain Eproms but there are those White Outlines on the board without any Chips in their place.

So that can not be any indication of being a bootleg game or not.
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The games are:

English Lable: World Hero's 2
English Lable: Wind Jammers
English lable: Fighters History Dynamite

Japanese Lable: World Hero's 2

These carts do not have the Siver Serial # Stickers and do not have any Eproms on them.

I will also post pics of these carts soon.

biocat · Nov 27, 2002

I have a English label clear cart Samurai Shodown that has no eproms. Serial # is 64013

Your Samurai Shodown looks completely legit to me though.

Daisuke Jigen · Nov 27, 2002

I have an Aerofighters 2, and a Samsho with single EPROMS in them.

Robert Wallace · Nov 27, 2002

Originally posted by HPMAN:
Puzzle de pon is 100% bootleg.

When official carts contains EPROMs, 99.999% of the time they're used for program code (P chips) and (or) M1/S1 chips.

Let's look at your puzzle de pon : EPROM P1, V1, M1, S1, C1, C2. To say it short, all he game content is on EPROMs. Fine, C3-8 chips are official but not from puzzle de pon (check NGH# on them).

Another clue is having 74LS08 & 74LS74 chips installed on the PROGBK1 board, where puzzle de pon don't need those. Since when companies waste several thousands of chips ?

Another clue can be checking manufacture date of chips (all of those wears date code).

Anyway EPROM bootlegs are limited to very small games, others are produced using flash chips (such as your pop'n bounce) or one time only programmable devices.<hr></blockquote>

Thanks for filling in the blanks for me... I dont know all the tech terms concerning 74LS08 ...etc.. but I have a little more understandig.

When I get my other pics posted up here I'd like to know about those also.... Some of them dont have eproms, some have only 1 and some dont have them at all just some odd looking chips.

Please check back here again soon the pics should be up by tommorow night, if not Friday....hopefully sooner. But we have a holiday here in the USA

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HPMAN · Nov 27, 2002

Originally posted by Robert Wallace:


Thanks for filling in the blanks for me... I dont know all the tech terms concerning 74LS08 ...etc.. but I have a little more understandig.<hr></blockquote>

To say it short puzzle de pon have 4Mbits program code chip, and you don't nedd 74LS08 & 74LS74 (little chips in the center of the board) to address it.

Mmmm, guess I'm doing too much conversions <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

By the way Samurai Shodown is official cart

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: HPMAN ]

HPMAN · Nov 27, 2002

Ok, here's what to expect from original chips :

Also keep in mind official carts can wear EPROM but ONLY for P/M/S chips.

I yet have to see an official cart with EPROM C or V chip.

Robert Wallace · Nov 27, 2002

Thanks for the info

I wish I had gone to school for electronics. I find this stuff very interesting....

So you say you do conversions? I am a little curious about that also, how difficult is it to make your own conversions.

One of these days I would like to try my hand at doing my own conversion. Any links regarding this subject? I'll PM you...

Well that is getting a bit off the topic...... Thanks again,

Robert

Amano Jacu · Nov 27, 2002

Wow, HPman, that pics are so handy! So all those chips are expected to be original? I had a discussion with a friend who always says all chips must be Toshiba (like your first pic). I'll show this to him.

Robert, I've sent you 2 pics, I hope you can upload them, thanks in advance.

Robert Wallace · Nov 27, 2002

Originally posted by Amano Jacu:
Wow, HPman, that pics are so handy! So all those chips are expected to be original? I had a discussion with a friend who always says all chips must be Toshiba (like your first pic). I'll show this to him.

Robert, I've sent you 2 pics, I hope you can upload them, thanks in advance.<hr></blockquote>

Here are your 2 Pics:

Bishamon · Nov 27, 2002

Originally posted by Robert Wallace:


Here are your 2 Pics:

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Well, the three at the bottom look 100% legit, but the Garou: MoTW cart at the top looks pretty weird.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Bishamon ]

BigNick · Nov 27, 2002

I just pulled out my carts & Fatal Fury 2, 3 count Bout, Fatal Fury Special all have eproms.
3 count has 2 in positions EP1 + EP2, Fatal F 2 has eproms in postitions EP1 + EP2, Fatal FS has 1 eprom in position EP1. All cases are clear with original english labels & with silver warranty seals intact.

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