SNK vs. Capcom PCB for the MVS? I don't understand because I'm a fool.

Mad Mage

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I don't get it, it says it's for the MVS, yet instead of a cartridge, it comes with what is called a "full Jamma PCB". I'm sure 98% could explain this to me. Does it really work with the NEO GEO MVS, or is this more of a stand alone board which would replace the MVS board in my cabinet.

Sorry that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
 

roker

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In the news and rumors section (first topic, it's the sticky) you'll see what Shawn has to saw about this:

Shawn, how came you still advertise SvC: Chaos jamma pcb as an MVS title?

SNK NEOGEO USA and Playmore advertise SVC Chaos as an MVS title. Besides, in the pictures you will notice that the SVC Chaos packaging and even the PCB is labeled with “MVS”.

simple answer "no", it's a PCB, not an MVS cartridge.
 
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Mad mage:
I don't get it, it says it's for the MVS, yet instead of a cartridge, it comes with what is called a "full Jamma PCB". I'm sure 98% could explain this to me. Does it really work with the NEO GEO MVS, or is this more of a stand alone board which would replace the MVS board in my cabinet.

Sorry that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
Nope it's "MVS-on-a-board" type thing in an attempt to combat Piracy. Rumor is that the "usual" cart will appear on the 3rd or 4th run (currently on sceond) but you have to ask the question....

can you really afford 1800 for the current itteration?????
 

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Mad mage:
I don't get it, it says it's for the MVS, yet instead of a cartridge, it comes with what is called a "full Jamma PCB". I'm sure 98% could explain this to me. Does it really work with the NEO GEO MVS, or is this more of a stand alone board which would replace the MVS board in my cabinet.

Sorry that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
I was going to ask this question myself whewn i saw the thread but my comp busted, it was confusing i must admit
 

Mad Mage

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Thanks for clearing that up people. I guess I should have checked news and rumors. At any rate, I'll be hoping they release it in real MVS format some day.
 

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Here's an interesting thought..

If the hardware is indeed MVS, if you will. Will you be able to convert other titles to the board and/or conversely, convert from the roms?

I think this was a bad move if you can, because when the 'leggers get a hold of the cart and reverse engineer it.. it will make single board conversions (instead of cart conversions) of their MVS games available.

Hmmmm... interesting..
 

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VanillaThunder:
Here's an interesting thought..

If the hardware is indeed MVS, if you will. Will you be able to convert other titles to the board and/or conversely, convert from the roms?

I think this was a bad move if you can, because when the 'leggers get a hold of the cart and reverse engineer it.. it will make single board conversions (instead of cart conversions) of their MVS games available.

Hmmmm... interesting..
It'll just be a matter of time I'm sure.
 

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VanillaThunder:
Here's an interesting thought..

If the hardware is indeed MVS, if you will. Will you be able to convert other titles to the board and/or conversely, convert from the roms?

I think this was a bad move if you can, because when the 'leggers get a hold of the cart and reverse engineer it.. it will make single board conversions (instead of cart conversions) of their MVS games available.

Hmmmm... interesting..
This is an excellent point. However I think I can help you understand why even if/when this happens, it will not concern playmore.

Heres the thing...the main reason why playmore hates bootleggers and is trying to thwart them with this dedicated pcb rather then a cartridge thing is because of the damage these bootleggers do to their sales of the same identical legit items. Playmore could care less about those who do the hacking for fun or for themselves or just to play the games. Only the sales made (and profits made) which anyone other then they themselves make from their own items is what matters to them.

So in english...when some pirate manages to manufacture bootlegged cartridges of playmores latest mvs cart release, and sells these cartridges to unsuspecting victims, playmore is loosing all of those (would be) potential customers.

Fooling the buyers is easy to do (as most are dumb ass operators who couldn't tell a legit mvs cart from a really good fake one). However, a board would be a whole other ball game. It does not come encased in a plastic shell, so it is far easier to see and inspect. And it is far harder to "clone" as there is no previous release that utilized the same board(s) that can be retrofit with the new software. So therefore, the ONLY people who will purchase a bootlegged svc chaos pcb, are buyers who KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE BUYING. NOT buyers who are naive or innocent victims who would have otherwise purchased the legit item from a legit source.

So in conclusion, even if they are able to bootleg the board, and even if they can retrofit
the game into a standard mvs cart, the official item is so very different (and well known as such) then whatever creation they are able to build, that their sales of said creation will be limited to those who are not potential customers of playmore anyhow. Hence, why playmore does not care.

Always remember that the ability to bootleg something is worthless, unless you can mass produce and sell the bootleg for profits. So even if some loser busts his ass staying up nights and eventually cracks or hacks playmores board, it means nothing nor affects playmores sales unless that person can do what they did on a mass scale and for profit. A feat which is highly unlikely to occurr until AFTER playmore has already sold enough boards whereby preventing them from suffering what little losses (if any) they will endure in the inevitably dead aftermarket of the item by the time the bootleg is finally available.

What playmore did here was buy time. Thats pretty much it. They were pretty smart actually. They realized that preventing bootlegging is impossible; as well as un-nessessary. Rather delaying it is all that they needed to do and so they simply did that.

If you were a car thief, which car would you steal? The one with the club and the car alarm, or the one right next to it without those annoying extras? Same thing. Of course it is not impossible to steal the one with all the security, but the extra effort involved serves as a deterrent.
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I agree with you on some points, billy, but I'l submit this.

Yeah, it was a stopgap measure. I think you'd have to be an idiot to not believe that.

My point is this.. it could very possibly kill some of their market should they be able to mass produce it. If there's anythign that the wizards in hong kong can do, it's crack a board pretty damn fast.

If they could successfully retrofit and manufacture the boards, they could probably find a more accessible market for their wares.

It's harder (at least in the US, but the MVS market here is deader than christopher reeves' track career) to market a cart to an operator than a board. They need prior equipment.

However, if you could more cheaply manufacture the board and put other games on it, suddenly it becomes a little more desirable than getting a one-slot.

Why not buy a $400 boot board than the One-Slotter and the new MVS game? (appx $150 + MVS price, which is now about 400-1200 bucks)

I know the installed base of the MVS is large, but I'd have to say it would entice operators to put a boot in instead of the MVS system.

I know most of this is a bunch of what-ifs, but this possibility can't be overlooked.

My guess on this boardset : Unique encryption tables.

It would only make sense as it prevents ROM swapping. (which as we've seen is VERY well known to playmore) It also buys time with the bootleggers. On top of that wouldn't have any hardware problems with the old MVS machines.
 

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While both Billy and Thunder Make good points, My personal spin on this is a little simpler... Is Playmore really hurting themselves by releasing the game in board form over MVS cart? No..

I think they are making this in board form as a stopgap measure against bootleggers, but that is kind of like trying to nail jello to a wall, and they know this. The rule of thumb in the game manufacturing industry is 90 days... If they can't turn a profit on the release within 90 days, they probably never will. So the releasing in board format is really just their way of keeping control of the market on this game for 90 days, and then after they have made their money, it can all go to hell. Of course they will still pursue any bootleggers they can find, and only if the game is really popular, but that will take 2-5 years to stop it, and by then no will care.

Thanks All,
-Daniel :D
 
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