Neo Geo mentioning in the newest GMR

Hikaru Ichijyo

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I got the latest issue of GMR in the mail today and I'm thumbing through hoping these knuckleheads would have ANY pics or blurbs of SvC: Chaos.

On the table of contents page I noticed they had a picture of Ryu and Ken from SFII':Champ Edition and when I looked at the actual table of contents I saw they had an article regarding fighting games.

I flipped to that article and from the look of it, it was basically a summarization of how fighting games have evolved and what their impact was on the North American market. The first page dealt with a bunch of filler and talked about Yie Ar Kung Fu among others and then the next page and a half was pretty much all about Street Fighter.

It wasn't until page four (of an 8 page article) that the first mention of SNK popped up and here's what they wrote:

"As Capcom's new cash-cow property branched out, a whole slew of new fighting games sprang from it's roots. Low-Profile innovator SNK dished out a few gems (Fatal Fury, Last Blade, King of Fighters and the sexy Samurai Showdown) during the '90s (see the SNK breakdown page for details)."

As a note...I scoured the magazine top to bottom and did not see any so-called "SNK breakdown page". I did however see pics of some SNK games in the sidebars within the article, one was called "Moonlighting" and it highlighted games that were not fighting but featured characters from fighting games. Here's the two SNK games they mentioned:

SAMURAI SHOWDOWN RPG
"A decent spin-off that follows the story lines of Samurai Shodown 1 and 2 through the eyes of one of six Sam Sho characters."
Rating: STRONG

and

SNK VS. CAPCOM: CARD FIGHTER'S CLASH
"A well-received competetive card-based title starring the best of both publisher's fighter stock. It arrived on the short-lived Neo Geo Pocket console in two versions."
Rating: FIERCE

The article then goes on about the likes of Mortal Kombat for about a page then segues into discussion regarding the emergence of the 3D polygon fighters such as Virtua Fighter, Fighting Vipers, Tekken, and Soul Blade/Calibur.

Before I get to the nitty gritty of the article there was one last little blurb regarding 2D fighters...

"Any fighting gamer would likely acknowledge the genius behind a work like Soul Calibur , but not all of them would want to play it. The gameplay dynamics inherent to 3D fighting games differ significantly from those of 2D fighters, and most hardcore fans much prefer one style to the other. As 3D fighters continue to vastly outperform 2D offerings in the marketplace(*poster's edit-this is sure to ensue much flaming :D *), however, the old-school fighting games will inevitably drop off the development schedule. A handful of sprite-based titles with cult followings (Capcom vs. SNK, Guilty Gear X2) keep the 2D genre alive, but the profitability of polygons has carved out a crystal-clear path for future fighters.

AND NOW FOR THE FUN PART!!! :D :D :D

The last two pages of the article they list what they believe are the 5 most essential fighting games to own but as a disclaimer they put the following blurb at the top of the page:

SURE TO SPARK RIOTS ON THE INTERNET, GMR PUTS ITS MOUTHPIECE IN AND PICKS THE FIVE GAMES EVERY FIGHTING GAME FAN SHOULD OWN. ONLY THE CREAM RISES TO THE TOP. NOSTALGIA NEED NOT APPLY.

Even with that put there, they can't help themselves but take pot shots at the 2 (count em TWO) SNK/Neo Geo games to make the list. shame At least, that's how it came across to me, but don't take my word for it, read what they had to say...

NO.5 FATAL FURY: MARK OF THE WOLVES (NEO-GEO/DREAMCAST/2000)
"For years, SNK had been mining the same 16-bit hardware to churn out endless sequels to it's Fatal Fury, King of Fighters, Art of Fighting, and World Heroes games. Whereas Capcom eventually evolved beyond it's dated CPS-II hardware, SNK stuck to it's MVS system, presumably saving on R&D expenses (although not saving quite enough to avoid bankruptcy). But with Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves, the company finally proved it could hang with the competition, which by this point was the Street Fighter III series. For the first time in the history of Fatal Fury, SNK ditched the bitmap character art for the hand-drawn anime-cel style of the recent Street Fighter Alpha games. Despite only one returning character (Terry Bogard) from the original Fatal Fury cast, Mark of the Wolves is the fastest, most beautiful, and technically accomplished fighter in SNK's storied history. Since the cartridge is prohibitively expensive (upwards of $500), it's recommended that gamers seek out the near-perfect Dreamcast port."

and...

NO.2 SAMURAI SHOWDOWN II (NEO-GEO/1994)
"Unless your local bowling alley still has an SNK MVS system (the kind with three or four games in one cabinet) installed, chances are you haven't been playing much Samurai Shodown II recently. Which is a damn shame, because this game is not only the epitome of the series, it's one of the most focused, hard-hitting, fighting games around that has stood the test of time. For a game that came out in 1994, it's amazing how well it holds up. Guilty Gear X2, as fun as it is, wishes it were Samurai Shodown II. Boasting sharp graphics, smooth animation, and a roster of 14 characters strong (Gen-An and Cham Cham reprazent!), the true star of SS2 is the razor-sharp gameplay. Sadly, SS2 was never ported to a console capable of doing it justice (a PlayStation port was crapped out, but never a *sob!* Saturn version), except for the Neo-Geo CD, which all of 14 people own. Two sequels, Samurai Shodown III and Samurai Shodown IV: Amakusa's Revenge, were released for both Saturn and Playstation in Japan."

Oh..for any non-GMR reading people out there, these were the top 5 fighting games that they said every fan should own...

NO.5 FATAL FURY: MARK OF THE WOLVES (NEO-GEO/DREAMCAST/2000)
NO.4 SOUL CALIBUR II (PS2/GC/XBOX/2003)
NO.3 SAMURAI SHODOWN II (NEO-GEO/1994)
NO.2 VIRTUA FIGHTER 4: EVOLUTION (PS2/2003)
NO.1 STREET FIGHTER III: THIRD STRIKE (DREAMCAST/2000)


If you're interested in reading the article in it's entirety, it's in the Sep 2003 issue of GMR (Issue 08).
 

Xenvu

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Wow, thanks for that post, it's good to see Samurai Showdown 2 getting the respect it deserves!
 

Talen

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Meh, I recall GMR having the Dreamcast and Xenogears in their "retro" section of the 2nd issue, I just can't take anything that mag publishes seriously.
 

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Talk about perfect timing and a great read! I just recieved Samurai Shodown 2 aes today from 16-bit! Brand spankin new never opened! What a rush! Since I dont have a P1 yet this is the first game I was able to test out my new Neo with. Great Game! and a great article! thanks for passing it on :)
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twodeepuzzler

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Man, I still can't believe how much hype Third Strike gets. I thought it was mediorcre at best.
 

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I thought the original Street Fighter II was better than third strike...

I also noticed how they left KOF'99 (Yes '99, not '98) out of the list wink
 

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Thanks for sharing Droid. I enjoyed reading that. I guess I would be one of those 14 people who own a NGCD eh?

<small>[ July 30, 2003, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: PolluxTroy ]</small>
 

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It's a good top 5, it encompasses two 3d games, which should please some people. If I had to keep the same 5, I would have renumbered them as:

5. VF4
4. SCII
3. SFIII
2. Garou:MOTW
1. SS2
 

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Yah that was a pretty interesting read...i got my issue today and it sparked quite the debate right at the store i was at!!! I mean 3rd strike being the #1 game any fighting game purist must own...I think not. And I too went looking for that SNK breakdown to no avail. I too took offense to the 14 people comment about the NEO CD. I guess if its not mainstream nobody can appreciate it. Im glad i saw this thread b/c i was going to make one about the same thing when i got on

<small>[ July 31, 2003, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: O. Yashiro ]</small>
 

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the roker:
It's a good top 5, it encompasses two 3d games, which should please some people. If I had to keep the same 5, I would have renumbered them as:

5. VF4
4. SCII
3. SFIII
2. Garou:MOTW
1. SS2
Feh, I may agree with the SSII on top, but I would stick SFIII right under it... Fuch that SF2TCE... SFIII is great, but looking back, it was nothing to SF2s glory. As for SCII, amazing dramcast game, tons of eye candy, but... didn't hold my attention very long, I played and enjoyed Soul Blade much more! I can't comment on VF4, never played it... so... I'll leave ="Ic one alone,

-Nick
 

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xtoo_short20x:
GMR?
GMR is the EB Games counterpart magazine to Gamestop/Funcoland's Game Informer. While the content and layout are nothing spectacular (I'll explain why in a sec), the magazine does beat GI on a few points...

1. The magazine is published in partnership with Ziff Davis, who also happens to publish Electronic Gaming Monthly (and IMO the reason why the mag doesn't look all that great is 'cuz it is in a way competition for ZD's own EGM).

2. GMR is standard magazine size whereas GI is slightly taller/wider than standard magazine size. This can be something of a pain as GI's do not fit in magazine storage boxes (or magazine storage baggies for that matter).
 

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Thanks for sharing! I posted something similar sometime this morning. :D

It is here:

<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=009862" target="_blank">http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=009862</a>

Anyway, I am glad that someone at GMR loves the Neo enough to give it the spotlight in this month's issue. I really hope that GMR reviews SVC: Chaos in the not-so-distant future.

<small>[ August 01, 2003, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: NeoLord ]</small>
 

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I read the same article, and while the magazine in general has a boring layout, this month's issue is slightly above the previous ones.

Its no play however.

Thats definitely a top-notch list except I'd have to [re]order it in this fashion:

5. Street Fighter Alpha 3
4. Capcom vs SNK
3. Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves
2. Street Fighter III: Third Strike
1. King of Fighters 2001 (yes, I know, I'm insane)

Yeah thats right, no SS2, bitches.
 

rarehero

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gmr s okay.
i like it better than gi
gmr reminds me of old gamers republic
and i do love the covers.
i ve always loved bold contrasting colors though.
but play?
i liked it at first.
but reading through dave halverson rant through
each issue over and over again and then hype
up some games and then they turn out to be crap.
i mean man. that just sucks. but they do have
cool layouts though. or minimal layouts anyways.
with a huge emphasis on game art.
the castlevania issue is great.
 

evil wasabi

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SS2 is SO fucking over hyped. SS3 is LOADS better.

same thing with SF2, SF3 is LOADS better.

my list would go:

5.Marvel vs. Capcom
4.FFRBS
3.MotW
2.Third Strike
1.KoF whatever (between 98-2k2 i cant decide)

although, i havent played SvC yet wink
 

SonGohan

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Whatever, it's all like this:

5 - Street Fighter Alpha 2
4 - Capcom vs SNK 2
3 - King of Fighters '98
2 - Samurai Shodown 2
1 - Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo

The pinnacle of fighting game greatness.
 

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Hmm, Third Strike is definitely over hyped. I mean, it's fun to play, but there wasn't any substance to it. That was a turn off, a big one.

5. KOF 2000(great storyline, SNK's last effort, amazing music, stunning backgrounds)
4. SFA3(wierd ass twisted not making sense story that was cool in its own way, fun as hell to play in every sense)
3. KOF 1997(great computer AI, good story, good music, good everything)
2. GGX2(again, great storyline, awesome attention to detail, fun as hell game to play)
1. (sorry pesemists) SAMSHO2! Granted this is the only game i own for the MVS, it's fucking great it every way a game could be. The story is great, the progression through the game makes you feel like you're playing an anime because of the frequent cut scenes and interactions between characters. The AI is genius, the characters are all balanced, except for Jubei, and the animation is crisp and perfect. SNK made the perfect 2-D game with this, I'd love to see Samurai Shodown Zero even compare to this. I'm not overrating this, i am giving due credit. The endings are great, and the story is very well made. Lots of attention to detail in backgrounds, and especially smooth characters and weapons. You can get sliced in half, your weapon dropped, and even your weapon broken. Sieger is one of the godliest characters ever, even when your cheap friend is using Jubei, and you still beat him, and Genjuro is pimpalicious. SAMSHO2 is #1
 

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The list worked fine for me...take out SS2 though. Waste of space.
 
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The only other fighters i've ever having the priviledge of trying on the NEO are:
WH1, < boring
WH2, < which I liked actually
FF1, < Edgier than SF2 but didn't like
SS3, < the beautiful artwork is just not the same, and I missed the conventional button arrangement so logically done on SS1, SS2

And as far as Capcom fighters, I hated every SF2 variant there was. I never played SF Alpha or SF3.

I enjoyed Mortal Kombat 1 at the same time SS1 was out. I remember flip flopping between them both at my college arcade back in '93. I enjoyed SS1 way more.

I also remember playing a bit of Battle Area Toshinden on PS1. It was ok, prefer 2D fighters.

5.) ?
4.) ?
3.) SS1
2.) LB1
1.) SS2
 

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Fkn awesome...I didn't see that when I got the magazine..Going to read that now....Sweet.
 
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