SvC:C - Other than hardcore fans, has anyone observed the opinions of other gamers?

Okay, this topic is going to be a little difficult to establish since everyone here is happy as hell to see SvC:C finally come to fruition.

However, I am curious as to how the game is being recieved by non-hardcore fans.

I don't care what some idiot posting on Gamefaqs thinks about the game from screenshots.

I'm looking for observations of people seeing the actual game in action at local arcades. Normal people.

I'll start:
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People seem interested, but a little confused. One individual didn't realize it was on MVS hardware (hence the aged look) and just thought it was too weird. Another seemed to keep playing, though I didn't see unbridled interest. One arcade operator seemed genuinely excited, playing the game himself, while another operator looked as though the game was one of the biggest flops of his career.
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As you can see, results all over the spectrum.

I want to here the observations of others across the country: Remember, just because their watching doesn't establish an opinion -we need to know whether their interest in positive, negative, or indifferent.

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Bobak:
Okay, this topic is going to be a little difficult to establish since everyone here is happy as hell to see SvC:C finally come to fruition.

However, I am curious as to how the game is being recieved by non-hardcore fans.

I don't care what some idiot posting on Gamefaqs thinks about the game from screenshots.

I'm looking for observations of people seeing the actual game in action at local arcades. Normal people.

I'll start:
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People seem interested, but a little confused. One individual didn't realize it was on MVS hardware (hence the aged look) and just thought it was too weird. Another seemed to keep playing, though I didn't see unbridled interest. One arcade operator seemed genuinely excited, playing the game himself, while another operator looked as though the game was one of the biggest flops of his career.
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As you can see, results all over the spectrum.

I want to here the observations of others across the country: Remember, just because their watching doesn't establish an opinion -we need to know whether their interest in positive, negative, or indifferent.

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Game's doing good down here, dudes tend to get confused at first (mistaking it for CvS 2 or something) but after a little while they realize it is more SNK gameplayed, so to speak...

Anyway another fucker saw it and said...

"Fuck, how come they put old games as recent arrivals..."

It was only one guy though... wink

A lot of casual gamers who do not really understand the genre will compare this to Capcoms offering.

As I have observed, casual gamers are genuinely pleased with CVS2, whereas the hardcore were hoping for a better effort.

With SVC, it will flipflop and the greater populus of the casual may disown this game. I don't think they will understand. They won't get it.

The hardcore, god love us, will support this game and learn to appreciate it. Unfortunately, you may be right, Bobak, a lot of the operators will see this as betryal from SNK and consider not buying new games.

I guess all people care about are 3D graphics, instead of good graphics.

I should say that this game appears to be doing well with one niche-group (outside the hardcore SNK fan), the Tournament players.

Unfortunately, as the expansive tournament system in the US will attest, that's but a very, very limited audience. Still, they'll pump in those token/quarters/Canadian Cents/Pesos/Euros/etc.

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I have a few friends who know of SNKPlaymore but are not hardcore (let alone fans) fans of the company. When I told them of SvC the resulting responses were:

- One was very exciting and plans to join Verbatum, Criterionradiohead, & myself for an all-day SvC frenzy when/if Verbatum gets his hands on a copy.

- Another was excited but (like myself) will only be buying SvC when/if it reaches Xbox or PS2.

- Another was happy to "play yet another quality SNK fighter".

- Two others I mentioned it to could've cared less.

- And the last just wants to know when he can plunk down the $6 and "rent to own" it.

Overall, I'd say that those that know SNK still exists (%5 of mainstreamers?) are excited, and who knows what the rest of the vast majority of mainstreamers think?

Well, a subquestion that may warrent a new thread is, "how much additional press is SvC:C getting?"

There were press at the play test earlier this month, but I have year to hear of major magazine coverage onilne. Granted, it is still early. But if game gets no traction out of the media I'll be a little concerned.

I dont think we will ever have as much interest in an arcade games like pacman, streetfighter, mk, daytona.


I dont know if making a truly great arcade game is a lost art, or just the fact the home systems are taking a larger chunk of interest.

I really miss the social atmosphere of arcade gaming. If I go to a friends house and he is playing a 1 player game, where people sit there and take turns, I usually leave. Pretty boring. No tru competition.

I still beleive that as cool as this game looks, SNK should have taken the effort to redraw everthing. Of course, that wont be a reason for its failure, if it fails.

Babak, specifially, what were those arcade ops so angry about? What was it? The lack of intrest? The grahics.

Also, we use quarters in canada as well.

Bobak:
Well, a subquestion that may warrent a new thread is, "how much additional press is SvC:C getting?"

There were press at the play test earlier this month, but I have year to hear of major magazine coverage onilne. Granted, it is still early. But if game gets no traction out of the media I'll be a little concerned.

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So far I've only seen a couple short mentionings on gamespot. Nothing from either ign or gamers, and I don't know if Dan Electro is trying to pimp SvC over at gamepro? But it's still early. Perhaps there will be more media coverage starting next month?

Rade Kuruc:
I dont think we will ever have as much interest in an arcade games like pacman, streetfighter, mk, daytona.


I dont know if making a truly great arcade game is a lost art, or just the fact the home systems are taking a larger chunk of interest.

I really miss the social atmosphere of arcade gaming. If I go to a friends house and he is playing a 1 player game, where people sit there and take turns, I usually leave. Pretty boring. No tru competition.

I still beleive that as cool as this game looks, SNK should have taken the effort to redraw everthing. Of course, that wont be a reason for its failure, if it fails.

Babak, specifially, what were those arcade ops so angry about? What was it? The lack of intrest? The grahics.

Also, we use quarters in canada as well.

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I agree with you dude, Arcade's atmosphere is almost gone...

BTW, 2 years ago, a new place down here called Dave and Buster's opened...

It is supposed a cool restaurant/bar with supposed super cool arcades and shit...

Pretty good golf simulators and other huge expensive newbie shocking machines down there, and sadly...

ONLY ONE FUCKING NEO GEO with MS3!!!!!!!!

Arcade's almost dead, just like 2D is almost dead...

I zipped there last saturday and the fucking manager there didn't even knew about SVC when I naively asked about its availability...

crying angry

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I remember Dan Elektro once said that getting some of this hardcore material into gamepro is difficult.

Besides, the gamepro croud really doesnt care about this stuff....generally.

svcc should be really popular among casual gamers

like,you know,all them people who praised rotd or matrimelee

because of its PREHISTORIC gameplay
- if you played sf2ce you can play svcc -

hadouken and shoryuken and voila

and recognizable characters
- again sf2 ce and the main snk guys -


but i predict that chaos wont be very popular among "hard-core" fans


i still havent played the game,so i cant be 100 %sure
but from what ive seen...

versus matches were SO boring

there's nothing new to learn,and there's less to do than in,say,kof

you cant run,no short jumps

only cd counters and the only new feature in the game seems pretty abusable

my fingers are crossed

but i have low expectations now

i just hope to change my mind about chaos

if that doesnt happen,
hurry up with the sequel,pay-more

The guys in Lakewood playing looked to be a notch under hardcore, and they all seemed to love it.

Although they seemed to think the CPU AI was a little on the hard side.

My impression was real positive and I must admit I am tempted to find a quicker route there so I can get some Vs. time during my lunch hour.

I thought it was a really exciting, almost bygone atmosphere in there. Reminded me of the old days.

We will see how SNK's latest offering is accepted upon mainstream 3 console release.

You can bet that the sales upon mainstream will be in retrospect of how people felt about the arcade version.

we're in the year 2003

the neo,its games and 2d fighters are OBVIOUSLY not for the masses


that was true in 1994,1999 and even more now


but noooo

let's hope dan elektro will talk about chaos in his magazine???!!!!!


i mean,


who gives a damn if ps2 or x box kids dont know about chaos or snk?


i am happy they dont know about the neo


let it be that simple

neobuyer:
The guys in Lakewood playing looked to be a notch under hardcore, and they all seemed to love it.

Although they seemed to think the CPU AI was a little on the hard side.

My impression was real positive and I must admit I am tempted to find a quicker route there so I can get some Vs. time during my lunch hour.

I thought it was a really exciting, almost bygone atmosphere in there. Reminded me of the old days.

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i'm glad you liked it,scott

i have faith in your tastes

i suppose i'll just have to wait until september

I really don't think that we need this thread, because we all know the answer.

I've been dying for this game since the first screen shots of it leaked out and I've been pimping all media/video's I've got to just about every fighting game fan I know.

Friend #1 (who will regularly play Neo games): Is pretty psyched. Is looking forward to when I get it so we can pour hours into it like all the other SNK games we play. Would buy the PS2 port if it gets released in the USA.

Friend #2 (who grew up with SNK games): Is interested, but basically it'll just make a nice addition to his MAME cab.

Friend #3 (semi SNK fan): Would probably buy the PS2 port if it came out, but my house and emulation will probably be the main way he plays the game.

Every other friend I talked to who likes 2D fighting (and are Capcom heads): Don't care, may try it and if it's good they'll buy the PS2 port. Others just think it sucks because it has 4 buttons, isn't from Capcom, has "Neo-Geo graphics". The worst quote I heard: "It's coming out now 2 years after CvS2, and it looks like that? What were they thinking?"

Truth betold, I love the graphics. Despite my constant "we need new hardware" posting, I really like the way the Neo does things and I'm happy with the graphics they're giving us in SvC and in SS0. Honestly I am.

Here's the problem, 99% of gamers (yes "the mainstream") like "good graphics". If something looks "bad" then they probably won't give it the time to see if it plays well. Yes it SUCKS but it's the way things are. That last statement right there is something SNK Playmore has to understand. They can't change the mainstream gamers into thinking that "it doesn't have to look incredible like GGX or CvS2, etc if it's a good game and I'll play it".

"You have to adapt to the market, because it will never adapt to you." Is a great buisness philosophy that applies directly here.

It really fucking sucks, cause from everything I've seen I'm just dying to play the game. I just want to play it for hours and hours because I can just "feel" that it's going to be good. Thing is, I doubt the game will ever get any where near the credit it deserves because most people are too fucking stupid to look past the graphics and play the god damned game.

I think that's pretty much the reason the only arcades I can find in my area only stock stuff like SF3, MvC2, Tekken 4, and VF4 cabs, if that. It's the only thing that sells in a dying genere for the arcades. It's slightly better when it comes to the home versions of these games, but not by much. frown

Well, there we have it. The 2D fighter is dead.

We are next. Unless we sharpen up our Tekken Tag skills so we can compete with the real hardcore gamers.

One thing I did notice about matches: If you have two good players you see a LOT of time overs.

I agree with NeoBuyer, the computer AI was pretty damn tough when I saw it in action. Two otherwise awesome player got their asses handed to them by Orochi Iori when I watched them play.

In re Rade Kuruc's question
The arcade operator seemed angry that it was, in his opinion, too expensive for old-looking hardware and was not eye-catching for non-fighting game fans. Remember, everyone, most arcades have been getting games like DDR and beatmania for the last 4 years. Getting a game like SvC;C for as much $$$ as it is must be a shocker to them since it looks like its from 1996.

Just call me Rade.

JHendrix:

Here's the problem, 99% of gamers (yes "the mainstream") like "good graphics". If something looks "bad" then they probably won't give it the time to see if it plays well. Yes it SUCKS but it's the way things are.

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the funny thing is,jimi

chaos or kof 99 have better graphics than gg

but people are not getting it

who cares if sprites are so badly coloured and animated

or if the game lacks attention to the details

it runs on a newer hardware,so its got better graphics !!!

and you want THEM PEOPLE to know and talk about neo geo games?

no,they deserve mk v and nothing else

GGXX is awesome! It's in high rez, and that alone is why its better than all Kof games.

Jesus, if KOF starts looking like GGX, you might as well insert a pistol barrell into my dick. Don't forget to load the gun.

Fran:

JHendrix:

Here's the problem, 99% of gamers (yes "the mainstream") like "good graphics". If something looks "bad" then they probably won't give it the time to see if it plays well. Yes it SUCKS but it's the way things are.

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the funny thing is,jimi

chaos or kof 99 have better graphics than gg

but people are not getting it

who cares if sprites are so badly coloured and animated

or if the game lacks attention to the details

it runs on a newer hardware,so its got better graphics !!!

and you want THEM PEOPLE to know and talk about neo geo games?

no,they deserve mk v and nothing else

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See this is where we disagree.

I'll look at Chaos and KOF99 and then at GGX2, and I can say GGX2 looks better. I mean to me it just looks better, I honestly like the BG's and the sprites more. An arguement could be made for like LB2, MOTW, or SS3 or SS4. Those games are ahead of their god damned time. KOF IMO never was "the graphical showcase of the Neo-Geo". Reguardless, like most people I think GGX looks better than most Neo stuff. I just look at a picture and tell you what's prettier, and that wins for me. You can disagree, I don't care. I'd still rather play KOF98 than GGX2, I'm just not blinded by the love of the game to thinking that the graphics are better.

Thing is, I still like the Neo's GFX. I can look at Chaos and say "my god that's amazing" cause it looks damn good to me. They could be making new games on the Neo-Geo till 2033 when I'm 55 years old and I'd still play em if they weren't trash.

Here's the other difference: These people who are all mainstream and don't play Neo games cause they don't look up to the snuff of SF3 and the like, well just because they're too fucking blind to see a good game when it's put in front of them, it doesn't mean they're not good players!

All I really give two shits about is getting new 2D fighters to play and having plenty of people to play them against. Know what sucks, having more competition at SFA3 or CvS2 than I can get for KOF98. Disreguard the fact that SFA3 in the "mainstream eyes" looks marginally better than KOF98, it doesn't matter. Alpha 3 is better so that's what they play. And if you play as many versus matches as you say you do, then you know that with the right amount of people who are good, almost ANY fighter becomes really good or deep.

Why do you think I like CvS2 so damn much? Cause I could put it up on a big screen at college and have a line of like 15 people wanting to come play it. And it wasn't just 15 empty shoto using cheap bastards, it was 15 mean ass mother fuckin Capcom players. 3 of them were tournament players who made national semi-finals. The game becomes a-fuckin-mazing when you play with those people. Know what's sad? When I put 98 up there it was like 3 people, and no one really knew very much about it at all.

Know what Neo game got the most "mainstream" attention when I put it on the big screen at school? MOTW.

Why? Because it's probably the best looking Neo game there is so more people played it. Funny, it's the one Neo game I can show to the majority of Capcom players and they'll fall into it for hours. Probably because it looks good and is really easy to pick up (hell almost every super is 2 QCF's).

My point is this: all those people who you say deserve MK5, well you're probably right. But fuck that man, I want some god damned competition. And if SNK games had modern graphics and got "mainstream" attention again, then that means there will be a shitload of people who will be really good at the games and as such I will have more competition and more people to play who know what they're doing. That's all I want, really.

I think everyone is just repeating themsleves needlessly.

JHendrix, no offence meant at all, but do you not get tired of typing the same long winded speach 10 times over?

It's obvious, no one is going to change anyones mind. Especially on this board.

Let's just be glad MegaDrive20XX doesn't have strong feelings on subjects like these.

I mentioned it 3 of my friends 2 I go to college with.

Friend 1- He can't wait and hopes I get the home cart when releases

Friend 2- Can't wait for me to get it, but already admits I'm going to kick his ass in the game

Friend 3- She bugged out when I told her about SNK vs. Capcom and can't wait to play it

Well, so far that is 3 people I know that actually want to play it. They have seen the screen shots and all 3 agreed the game looks great.