AES vs. CD!

Snooptalian · Sep 16, 2002

Besides the obvious difference in slow loading Neo Geo CD games and no load time AES, are there any other differences in the CD games as opposed to the AES version of the same game? Does the CD version of say Top Hunter compare graphically equal to the AES version?

Mike Shagohod · Sep 16, 2002

I personally do not see much, if any differance between the graphics of the AES vs. CD-ROM versions. However, the music is usually remixed into CD sound and is alot more pleasant to listen to. Point in case is the Athena song in the "Psycho Soldiers" stage in KOF '96... in the AES it's a lot of bass and rumbling, in the CD version you get clear music and a J-pop sounding chick actually singing lyrics in it.

Rick · Sep 16, 2002

Probably one of the biggest differences between a cart and cd of the same game is Last Blade 2. Alot of winning poses are missing, some background animations are gone, certain special moves are missing animation and probably the most glaring difference is in the "Flames at the Wadomaya" stage; the distorting heat effect is gone completely, and that is the coolest thing about that stage. To me, it's the little details that make the games so great and it bothers me when the CD misses key elements like these.

J. Max · Sep 17, 2002

Other games have some charatcter animations missing too, such as AOF 3.

SNKFreak · Sep 17, 2002

AOF3 not only has missing animations, but the character sprites are insanely small. Also, kof99 has some missing things, like all the animated FIGHT, WINNER PERFECT etc. messages (all you get is still text) and some animations cut from Whip.

yagamikun · Sep 17, 2002

The CD only had 7 megs of ram to work with, which is pretty much, but overall isnt enough for the latter SNK games. I am suprised they even put LB, LB2 and AOF3 on it because of all the missing animations, shorter chracters, etc. Ick, just imagine if they put MOTW on the system. The CD system is good for some older games and shooters IMO, like getting Slug 1 or or blazing star or something like that. Arcade perfect and way less than half of the cost of an AES.

Deuce · Sep 17, 2002

Actually, seven megabytes is more than enough to hold the data required for a single round of any fighter on the Neo (with the possible exception of Garou). More often than not, SNK trimmed stuff from the CD version to cut back on the insane load times. If it had been faster, it wouldn't have been an issue.

-Deuce

yagamikun · Sep 17, 2002

Originally posted by Deuce:
Actually, seven megabytes is more than enough to hold the data required for a single round of any fighter on the Neo (with the possible exception of Garou). More often than not, SNK trimmed stuff from the CD version to cut back on the insane load times. If it had been faster, it wouldn't have been an issue.

-Deuce<hr></blockquote>

Aye, that makes sense. Never really thought of it that way, but now that you mention it even the LB games could run on 7 megs pretty easly (remembers X-men Vs Street Fighter running on 6 megs total on the saturn with 4 full character sets loaded and no slowdown or loading)The only older game I can see having trouble running on 7 megs would be AOF3. But I've always wondered why they would cut small things then, like a win pose or something like that. It honestly cant make that much of a difference can it? I mean most of the latter CD games had demo cuts and all that to make loads shorter. I remember back in the day when my friend had LB on Neo CD and some animations were cut, which I expected, but I dont remember Zantetsu having any voice. The CD was an original, not a copy. Any help on this one?

Deuce · Sep 17, 2002

Sounds like a glitch... my first copy of LB1 was on Neo-CD, and I played lots of Moriya and Zantetsu. Zantetsu had plenty of voice... the one who got hit hardest, voice-wise, was Amano. All of those death-screams, gone.

Ironically, LB1 was the game that convinced me to return to the cart system... as the CD just didn't cut it for me. How many versions of LB have I owned at this point? Let's see...

LB1:
Neo-CD
Home Cart (US)
PlayStation (bought it for the goodies)
Neo Cart (Jap, which I currently have)

LB2:
Home Cart (US)
Dreamcast (Jap and US)

I need to reacquire the cart of this... I really do...

And of course, LB for the NGPC (Japanese). I'm not obsessed. Nooooo...

-Deuce

MKL · Sep 17, 2002

Originally posted by yagamikun:
The CD system is good for some older games and shooters IMO, like getting Slug 1 or or blazing star or something like that. Arcade perfect<hr></blockquote>

Slug 1 CD arcade perfect...
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Gemant (also a member here) made a comparative analysis of the CD and AES versions and noticed over 100 graphical differences...

Other titles may also have several differences, ask Gemant.

[ September 17, 2002: Message edited by: MKL ]

yagamikun · Sep 17, 2002

Originally posted by MKL:


Slug 1 CD arcade perfect...
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

Gemant (also a member here) made a comparative analysis of the CD and AES versions and noticed over 100 graphical differences...

Other titles may also have several differences, ask Gemant.

[ September 17, 2002: Message edited by: MKL ]<hr></blockquote>

Cool, enlighten me then. I have played both a noticed none besides load times. then again, I am not to into the metal slug games so there may be somethings I missed.

No, on second thought I really dont care. I'm not expert on the neo cd, since I've never owned one myself so any baring on it would be meaningless to me unless I was actualy intersted in the game. BTW Deuce, thanks for clearing that up about Last Blade CD. I thought I remembered you being a LB guru from back in the old DHP days.

[ September 17, 2002: Message edited by: yagamikun ]

SNKJorge · Sep 17, 2002

There's many graphical things missing on the CD versions...just like at Ninja Masters <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

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