What's worse, NGF or Emulation?
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lol Robert!
More seriously I think there is a difference!
People playing with emulated games know they are playing with emulated games whereas SNK fans playing with NGF games don't know if it's an official Game or a Bootleg even if they paid for an OFFICIAL GAME(for most of them)!!
So for my part The worst is NGF Because they are liing to the customers!!
NGF, GO TO HELL!!!
...AND EMULATORS TOO!!!
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More seriously I think there is a difference!
People playing with emulated games know they are playing with emulated games whereas SNK fans playing with NGF games don't know if it's an official Game or a Bootleg even if they paid for an OFFICIAL GAME(for most of them)!!
So for my part The worst is NGF Because they are liing to the customers!!
NGF, GO TO HELL!!!
...AND EMULATORS TOO!!!
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Force is right:
Emulation is used by and large by people who woudn't buy the AES/MVS games even if they were below $10 and shipping was free (i.e. extremely casual or extremely poor gamers... I was poor in College/University).
NGF actually does the "Elite" gamers who already have their collections complete a favour.
Every cart NGF defaces is one less on the market for serious collectors. Yay laws of supply and demand for raising the price of the remaining carts!!!
Emulation is used by and large by people who woudn't buy the AES/MVS games even if they were below $10 and shipping was free (i.e. extremely casual or extremely poor gamers... I was poor in College/University).
NGF actually does the "Elite" gamers who already have their collections complete a favour.
Every cart NGF defaces is one less on the market for serious collectors. Yay laws of supply and demand for raising the price of the remaining carts!!!
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Originally posted by Force:
<strong>They're both given way more credit then deserved for "ruining" the neo geo, and both aren't worth worrying about (at least as much as some of the people on these boards do).
Matt</strong><hr></blockquote>force i do agree with you on this post but i think your next one is flawed, it's true that we are both entitled to our opinions but i do think some people are blowing it out of proportion. now i dont think its a good idea to promote emulation but on the other hand it's not the root of all evil as some may think
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Emulation is way, way, way lesser of an evil than NGF.
Destroying a Sac cart to make a new game is destroying a fixed amount of resources. When a cart is 'sacked', it's not coming back in it's original form.
Emulation deals with recordable and re-recordable data... Other than the ethical/financial dilemmas for some people, it has no where near the impact that destroying carts does.
And I don't just levy all the blame on NGF, I think all cart conversions are problematic.
To me,
People that convert carts are like the people that colorize black & white movies.
A special kind of evil that, as one of my old film professors said, have a special wing of hell waiting for them in the afterlife <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />
Destroying a Sac cart to make a new game is destroying a fixed amount of resources. When a cart is 'sacked', it's not coming back in it's original form.
Emulation deals with recordable and re-recordable data... Other than the ethical/financial dilemmas for some people, it has no where near the impact that destroying carts does.
And I don't just levy all the blame on NGF, I think all cart conversions are problematic.
To me,
People that convert carts are like the people that colorize black & white movies.
A special kind of evil that, as one of my old film professors said, have a special wing of hell waiting for them in the afterlife <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />
It's not so much the number of carts that NGF defaces that pisses people off, its the fact their irreplaceable.
Even if the "only" deface 10 pristine carts a month, that's 120 carts a year... for the next 10 years that's over 1,000 carts.
That's still not a huge number by any means, but its a conservative estimate (judging by the amount of carts they SAY they sell
).
Sorry if my above post made me uncaring about NGF's destruction, I just honestly think it serves to make "pure" carts even more scarce, thus shooting the value of slugs, wolves, etc even higher.
Do you honestly think that Chris and Dion have defaced their own personal collections? Not a chance in hell .
Supply, demand and all that economic jazz play out wonderfully in collectible markets (like the AES... )
Blah, if anybody managed to read all of this, congrats
Even if the "only" deface 10 pristine carts a month, that's 120 carts a year... for the next 10 years that's over 1,000 carts.
That's still not a huge number by any means, but its a conservative estimate (judging by the amount of carts they SAY they sell
).Sorry if my above post made me uncaring about NGF's destruction, I just honestly think it serves to make "pure" carts even more scarce, thus shooting the value of slugs, wolves, etc even higher.
Do you honestly think that Chris and Dion have defaced their own personal collections? Not a chance in hell
.Supply, demand and all that economic jazz play out wonderfully in collectible markets (like the AES... )
Blah, if anybody managed to read all of this, congrats
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Originally posted by Bobak:
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Quoting Homer Simpson:
"Hmm... I find your views intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter."
Would you and BonusKun mind if I hosted it here too? (with the appropriate acknowledgements and URL to the original source?)
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Bah I'm not here for credit on it....much.
Sides there were a few others who contributed as well, If you're going to give some credit, NeoRasa also deserves a bit for his joyous description of the King of Crump 2000
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Basicaly NGF will cost you money,they rip people off and money is stolen,
emulation however of neo-geo games currently cannot rip off anyone cos its free and the company is technically dead,at the most its ripping off the company but if there not around anymore,whos gonna care itll go on no matter what.
Ultimatly doing either is a bad move if you want neo-geo games.
emulation however of neo-geo games currently cannot rip off anyone cos its free and the company is technically dead,at the most its ripping off the company but if there not around anymore,whos gonna care itll go on no matter what.
Ultimatly doing either is a bad move if you want neo-geo games.
Emulation can be considered criminal in the sense of license and such, but it offers netplay, and on a fast enough connection with a good enough controller and computer (pentium 2s are good enough), I feel that emulation isn't as "bad" as it used to be. I mean, I'm all for paying for my goods, but what if the "goods" as I want them (neogeo games with netplay) can only be acquired through emulation? Eh, guess I have to bite teh bullet.
(I still think people who come here just to start threads saying "romz are good - emulation didn't kill SNK!" are jackasses)
NGF destroys actual goods. They are like the chinese communist army destroying icons in buddhist temples. They are the Nazis burning books in Germany. That and they are FUCKING MORONS!
(I still think people who come here just to start threads saying "romz are good - emulation didn't kill SNK!" are jackasses)
NGF destroys actual goods. They are like the chinese communist army destroying icons in buddhist temples. They are the Nazis burning books in Germany. That and they are FUCKING MORONS!
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...err hello nick_th_fury:
just want to thank you for the link about the ngf bible. it was definitely a great read for me and clinched yet again as to why people like me should not deal with the "freaky duo". thanks amillion for relaying this!! :o
just want to thank you for the link about the ngf bible. it was definitely a great read for me and clinched yet again as to why people like me should not deal with the "freaky duo". thanks amillion for relaying this!! :o
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One of my favoites:
"Dion's poor business practices start to surface. He tries to purchase the entire stock of Metal Slug X carts from SNK USA"
Hmm.. someone wants to buy your ENTIRE stock of carts but you wont sell them? Sounds like a formula for bankruptcy for me!
Flash to the present.........
"Someone wants to play Bigtymer and purchases the entire stock of Metal Slug 3 carts from the US distributor, a company smart enough to actually sell product when they have a chance"
Stories sound very similar dont they?
The worst part is they look like the greatest thing since sliced bread, while sticking a poor unknowledgeable fan with stock that is languishing. To make it even WORSE they get away with it AGAIN with a title that should have never been released, Sengoku 3.
Its all pretty funny and sad all at the same time.
But... The best is yet to come!
Thanks,
ChrisR
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"Dion's poor business practices start to surface. He tries to purchase the entire stock of Metal Slug X carts from SNK USA"
Hmm.. someone wants to buy your ENTIRE stock of carts but you wont sell them? Sounds like a formula for bankruptcy for me!
Flash to the present.........
"Someone wants to play Bigtymer and purchases the entire stock of Metal Slug 3 carts from the US distributor, a company smart enough to actually sell product when they have a chance"
Stories sound very similar dont they?
The worst part is they look like the greatest thing since sliced bread, while sticking a poor unknowledgeable fan with stock that is languishing. To make it even WORSE they get away with it AGAIN with a title that should have never been released, Sengoku 3.
Its all pretty funny and sad all at the same time.
But... The best is yet to come!
Thanks,
ChrisR
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Your selective memory is flawed. The fact is SNK had a chance to sell them all in one shot. They failed as usual, because the company was being run by people were idiots, as I think everyone knows by now. So, they ended up having to blow them out with the other "closeout" carts they had at 180 each I think.
I'm glad your happy with your "red striped" MSX. It meshes PEFECTLY with the other 3 MS carts huh?
You can twist words all you want, but what I find so funny is you quote a private email between Dion and I that I posted to the list when I was in Europe. As much as people dont believe, ask Joe who has seen it himself, all my carts are genre corrected.
The "faq", which took up hours of someone's obviously "exciting" life is so twisted its reaching "fable" status.
I wouldnt waste my time typing out explainations for each point, since the blind fury would prevent the truth from being buried in garbage, but I will tell you this:
I cant WAIT for the bomb to drop on one of them. It will be a true pleasure to see what explanations you try to come up with to explain this one.
good luck.
ChrisR
"Just wait till you see whats next"
I'm glad your happy with your "red striped" MSX. It meshes PEFECTLY with the other 3 MS carts huh?
You can twist words all you want, but what I find so funny is you quote a private email between Dion and I that I posted to the list when I was in Europe. As much as people dont believe, ask Joe who has seen it himself, all my carts are genre corrected.
The "faq", which took up hours of someone's obviously "exciting" life is so twisted its reaching "fable" status.
I wouldnt waste my time typing out explainations for each point, since the blind fury would prevent the truth from being buried in garbage, but I will tell you this:
I cant WAIT for the bomb to drop on one of them. It will be a true pleasure to see what explanations you try to come up with to explain this one.
good luck.
ChrisR
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Chris I always enjoy debating with you..
There was never an oppertunity to purchase them all in one shot, only the hope.
As far as a private email that was posted to the list? So what are you are telling me you and dion believed there were these magical orange striped european NGH's floating around
All those facts are true and there is the data to back them up as well, which is why you can not debate them.
But really if you have truley Trancended SNK why are you spending so much time promoting yourself here. I never recall SNK saying "hey look what we are releaseing or have" on websites other then their own in the past. it was always Press releases or promotion from fans.
As I stated on the DHP. You guys could be named SNKNEOGEOUSA for all I care, it will not change my oppinion or views on you and truthfully I could care less on whatever release your are coming out with. I along with several other take pride in being 100% NGF free.
I think the feeling comes from knowing none of the money I spend on the neo is going towards the willfull destruction of Neo products and it spent towards companies that support the fans and the neo.
You know come to think of it !arcade! does not post here anymore either since they have thier own site. Maybe one day you to will reach that level where you can relay on Neo fans to say "hey look at the great products coming from NGF". I think you realize though that will never happen.
Don't you have around 1000 NGF to stamp?
There was never an oppertunity to purchase them all in one shot, only the hope.
As far as a private email that was posted to the list? So what are you are telling me you and dion believed there were these magical orange striped european NGH's floating around
All those facts are true and there is the data to back them up as well, which is why you can not debate them.
But really if you have truley Trancended SNK why are you spending so much time promoting yourself here. I never recall SNK saying "hey look what we are releaseing or have" on websites other then their own in the past. it was always Press releases or promotion from fans.
As I stated on the DHP. You guys could be named SNKNEOGEOUSA for all I care, it will not change my oppinion or views on you and truthfully I could care less on whatever release your are coming out with. I along with several other take pride in being 100% NGF free.
I think the feeling comes from knowing none of the money I spend on the neo is going towards the willfull destruction of Neo products and it spent towards companies that support the fans and the neo.
You know come to think of it !arcade! does not post here anymore either since they have thier own site. Maybe one day you to will reach that level where you can relay on Neo fans to say "hey look at the great products coming from NGF". I think you realize though that will never happen.
Don't you have around 1000 NGF to stamp?
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