What can't the Neo Geo do that you'd want it to?

ForeverSublime · Aug 15, 2003

This question stems from the growing voice of Neo gamers that lobby for updated hardware or a move to the atomiswave/naomi.

From a gamer's standpoint, I see no reason why we'd need to start programming on different hardware. As far as I see the Neo does everything I'd like it to do. Maybe there are certain graphical effects the Neo can't do that you'd love to see. If so, tell us what they are and on what games you would have liked to see them in.

I understand that from a $ standpoint that a move to updated hardware in the near future will be a smart business move, but I don't think the fans pushing for this move are thinking in financial terms. What is it you guys really desire that the Neo can't offer you?

Decepticon · Aug 15, 2003

hi rez sprites
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ResO · Aug 15, 2003

The neo does it all

If I had wanted it to do more I would have bought a ps2 instead.

[ August 15, 2003, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: ResOGlas ]

evil wasabi · Aug 15, 2003

There are plenty of things that I love graphically, that retain 2D sprite based game design. But unfortunately I just don't see franchises moving forward. If new hardware is supported I want new franchises. There is a look to Metal Slug that I've grown to love, and while the game could stand to have transparencies, high res sprites, etc. The game would feel weird.

BILLY · Aug 15, 2003

One game that seems a little too advanced for the Neo is Last Blade 2. It's totally one of my favs, but it would be cool to see it taken to a new level as well.

I could see LB2 with higher res graphics and clearer voice samples and much smoother zooming.

Another thing about LB2 is that the backgrounds are one solid picture. It would be cool to see the Neo zooming with lots of layers of parallax scrolling that move in and out accordingly.

Think about it. If a camera zooms in on a tree in the foreground of a scene in real life, the moon behind it will still be the same size.
Samurai Shodown actually has two layers, but not LB2. Transparencies would be cool too. Hell, even the SNES made great use of them.

When games like Fatal Fury 2 and Samurai 2 first came out, people saw them in arcades and got blown away because they were on the cutting edge of technology. I like the new games on Neo, but SNK won't reclaim it's old glory without setting the pace that others will follow like they once did.

It's cool that the Neo made it this far, but SNKP is just gonna have to make that leap sooner or later. It's almost like if Capcom just kept programming for CPS1 instead of giving us CPS2 and 3. What would Samsho 4 or LB2 have been like on hardware equivalent to CPS3? (WHOA!)

Lagduf · Aug 16, 2003

Don't you think its time for a change? All i seem to hear about new releases (and old ones too) is people bitching about shoddy background graphics, sprite animation, lack of animation, recycled sprites etc etc etc.

A graphical update to our most beloved series would be nice. I mean imagine a high res. metal slug with 100's of enemies onscreen with not even a hint of slowdown. Doesn't that sound a bit appealing?

I just a think an entirely new hardware or neo games on different hardware would only our favorite series and perhaps we'll get some great new title as well.

[ August 16, 2003, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: Lagduf ]

rhiohki · Aug 16, 2003

All the graphical qualls are valid, but on the other side of a game having outstanding hi-rez 2D graphics is its GAMEPLAY. What is one element of gameplay that is missing throughout the Neo? Online gaming capability. I remember doing a search on this on these boards and there was a HUGE thread that kept going back and forth with great ideas and it got me exicted as to the possiblity of an online capable neo environment.

BILLY · Aug 16, 2003

Speaking of gameplay, how about an SNK fighter with 6 button layout?

Lagduf · Aug 16, 2003

BILLY:
Speaking of gameplay, how about an SNK fighter with 6 button layout?

Blasphemy?

BILLY · Aug 16, 2003

Almost forgot about CVS2. That doesn't count!

roker · Aug 16, 2003

BILLY:
Speaking of gameplay, how about an SNK fighter with 6 button layout?

I think the 4 button layout is one of the reasons SNK fighters play better.

Nay, on the 6 button layout! It's fine for Capcom, but I think SNK/Playmore should stick to the 4 button layout, regardless of hardware choice.

BILLY · Aug 16, 2003

Blasphemy?

I'm not so sure. I sometimes felt like Samurai 1 and 2 had a layout that was going for six attacks (in order to keep pace with SF)with four buttons. Feels a little sloppy sometimes.

droid · Aug 16, 2003

Ah man I'd love to have human online opponents for SS 24/7 drool_2 My Neo might never be turned off. Might have to quit my job as well wink

Rhiokki's right. Graphics are nice eye candy but without the gameplay it doesnt mean much...Thats why I opted for the Neo instead of getting the cheaper more powerful xbox, PS2 and Gamecube (although I might get those if they ever come out with must have games, but looks like I'll skip this wave and wait for the next system rollouts)

I still have hope that the NeoGeo still has some life beyond SNKvsCap, SSzero and MS5. Theres just a certain charm the games possess that makes me want to keep playing.

Also I find it refreshing to still be playing and looking forward to great games on the same system instead of following the 2-4 year upgrade path the rest of the consoles have endured.

Droid

[ August 16, 2003, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: droid ]

m_bish0p · Aug 16, 2003

I just hope that the next generation is backwards compatable. Look at the Gameboy. It's the exact same situation...they refused to update it because the huge software library was thier main selling point. So, when they did upgrade, they did it right.

I think that's the one reason Nintendo kept this market, and I think SNKP could learn from that!

rhiohki · Aug 16, 2003

m_bish0p:
I just hope that the next generation is backwards compatable. Look at the Gameboy. It's the exact same situation...they refused to update it because the huge software library was thier main selling point. So, when they did upgrade, they did it right.

I think that's the one reason Nintendo kept this market, and I think SNKP could learn from that!

excellent point. I believe SNKP has the resources to upgrade the hardware, but it's a matter of time and doing it correctly.

BILLY · Aug 16, 2003

As a counterpoint, I thought I'd list some things I wouldn't want to see if SNKP moves to new hardware. There should be no reason the spirit of SNK can't live on with a new system if . . .

1. No 3D and especially no 3D backgrounds with sprites pasted on.

2.No overly flashy and flamboyant effects and presentation. Maintain the low key school of visuals and effects and keep it simple.

3. A game running in high res should be drawn for high res. Don't take sprites from Neo games and run them in high res creating a pixellated mess like MVC2, CVS2. (Check out Morrigan for chrissakes!)

4. Don't lose the top notch SNK gameplay and depth.

Shinji · Aug 16, 2003

rhiohki:
All the graphical qualls are valid, but on the other side of a game having outstanding hi-rez 2D graphics is its GAMEPLAY. What is one element of gameplay that is missing throughout the Neo? Online gaming capability. I remember doing a search on this on these boards and there was a HUGE thread that kept going back and forth with great ideas and it got me exicted as to the possiblity of an online capable neo environment.

I wouldn't count on that happening, seeing as the Neo Geo is mainly an Arcade system, it would kind of ruin the point of going to an Arcade, just to play someone online..

Decepticon · Aug 16, 2003

m_bish0p:
I just hope that the next generation is backwards compatable. Look at the Gameboy. It's the exact same situation...they refused to update it because the huge software library was thier main selling point. So, when they did upgrade, they did it right.

I think that's the one reason Nintendo kept this market, and I think SNKP could learn from that!

Which brings us to a new question at hand....should the new system be cart or use optical media?

If SNKP released a system for backwards compatibility then it would be more than likely be cart based which continues to have high prices.

If they go DVD based then they would probably skip the backwards compatibility to lower costs but the games would be cheaper.

droid · Aug 16, 2003

I think they'd almost have to go the DVD route unless they want to continue to cater to a small niche of hardcore types that aren't afraid of dropping $200-300 per game cart.

If SNK did release a new system (I'd love to see them do it but don't think its gonna happen) do you guys think it would be competing directly with the XBox's and PS2's of the world or would it be another high end gaming system like before?

Droid

Shinji · Aug 16, 2003

droid:
I think they'd almost have to go the DVD route unless they want to continue to cater to a small niche of hardcore types that aren't afraid of dropping $200-300 per game cart.

If SNK did release a new system (I'd love to see them do it but don't think its gonna happen) do you guys think it would be competing directly with the XBox's and PS2's of the world or would it be another high end gaming system like before?

Droid

I think whatever new system it did put out, it would be for the Arcades. So, I think everyone who wants to own an arcade styled system is going to have to put up with putting out the big money for games.

ResO · Aug 16, 2003

Shinji
I think whatever new system it did put out, it would be for the Arcades. So, I think everyone who wants to own an arcade styled system is going to have to put up with putting out the big money for games.

Hyper Neo-Geo 64 anyone? Oh yeah, I forgot:
New Neo Hardware = Really lame. shame

Yodd · Aug 16, 2003

ForeverSublime:
What can't the Neo Geo do that you'd want it to?

Provide us with 2d games other than fighters and Metal Slugs.

I have gotten to the point where I could almost care less if another fighter came out. Rarely anything new is explored and it just feels like all the good ideas how already been used up.

I want more side scrolling and overhead shooters, action games and the ilk.

I am honestly surprised that people still make the pilgrimage to play the games that are now coming out on the Neo.

Hows about something other than fighters, Mugenmore? :mad:

rhiohki · Aug 16, 2003

Shinji:

rhiohki:
All the graphical qualls are valid, but on the other side of a game having outstanding hi-rez 2D graphics is its GAMEPLAY. What is one element of gameplay that is missing throughout the Neo? Online gaming capability. I remember doing a search on this on these boards and there was a HUGE thread that kept going back and forth with great ideas and it got me exicted as to the possiblity of an online capable neo environment.

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I wouldn't count on that happening, seeing as the Neo Geo is mainly an Arcade system, it would kind of ruin the point of going to an Arcade, just to play someone online..

It doesn't matter whether it's likely to happen or not. The thread is about what would individuals want the neo geo to do that it already can not. I just stated my opinion. On it actually becoming a reality or not is besides the point. As for the arcades, they are already a dying race within the US social structure (at least in the area I am in). Online gaming increases the likelihood of facing new competitors not only within a local arcade scope, but one can literally take on someone across the country. This creates an architecutre that extends the level of arcades, not necessarily ruining it. The ruination of arcades is another topic altogether with varying levels debate, so I won't get into that.. wink

SNKFreak · Aug 16, 2003

Things I want my Neo to do that it doesnt?

1. Suck my dick.

2. Give me money.

3. Kill people I don't like.

dhowerter · Aug 16, 2003

Don't care as long as it still has 2D games!

buttrock

And make it a 2D Monster, like 4 times more powerful than the Saturn. (and DESIGNED for 2D -unlike the Dreamcast)

2D MUST live forever! drool

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