Neo Geo AES Conversion

mmustang89 · Jul 15, 2003

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a new Website that mainly sold Neo Geo Conversion games and sold Conversion service's including mods to Neo Geo AES Systems?

glee I'm thinking about launching a website for it and just wondered if there are any expressed interest.

The majority of the Conversion games will be the unrealeses AES Games like: eek!

Nightmare in the Dark
Captian Tomaday
Zupapa
Prehistoric Izle 2
Shock Troopers 1

Also hard to find (or extremely expensive AES Games) like: eek!

Neo Turf Master
Bust-A-Move Again
Magical Drop 2 and 3
Kizuna Encounter
Pulstar
Blazing Star

I was thinking about pricing each game at around $225-$250 each. If customers provided part of the games either the AES or MVS carts there would be a service fee for the conversion or possible finding the other cart needed for the conversion, around $85 for it. help

If anyone has any suggestions on pricing, what would be fair please let me know? I have 300+ positive feedback and excellent soldering skins (on some conversion in the beginning I'd go chip for chip sodder then desorder. I had to stop that as I couldn't tell factor vs my work and ended up taking some of my own solder chips off glee )

Thanks for any advice

BIG BEAR · Jul 15, 2003

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CarBaXinE · Jul 16, 2003

shame shame

Someone is gotta do something about this.

MegaDrive20XX · Jul 16, 2003

OH COME ON GUYS GIVE THE GUY A BREAK WILL YA? He's not trying to scam anybody, nor take orders for "Conversions", he's merely trying to get a general idea for the overall interest in what he's proposing elsewhere, and NG.COM is the biggest NEO Head community. I know with Playmore playing Gestapo over someone even saying the word "Boot" or "Conversion" it's a dangerous tightrope, but in all seriouness even before selling off my AES... I wanted to have my Shock Troopers Converted among some other games that are ridiculous to get in AES like METAL SLUG. So really, what's the harm in the guy asking about support of a site other than our home here? I'm sure the Playmore Secret Police is just waiting to pounce on someone, but really... unless they (Playmore) intends on re-releasing rare AES carts, or release previously MVS only releases to the home system, they really ought to just go after ppl dealing in "Boots" that siphon their current properties and leave ppl the choice to get their NEO fix as they need it through Conversions.

I for one would be interested but I no longer have an NGH/AES system to play them on so it's moot now. I just don't like seeing someone get dogged for tryin' to "Feel" out a possible alternative to what the professional companies themselves won't either do, or allow to be done. I mean until they (Playmore) went "Gestapo" a man could ask particular ppl in here or wherever for a Conversion without fear of being sniped from a mile away.

Just my 2 Cents.

MD20XX / Storm Rider

SNKJorge · Jul 16, 2003

mmustang89:
I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a new Website that mainly sold Neo Geo Conversion games and sold Conversion service's including mods to Neo Geo AES Systems?

glee I'm thinking about launching a website for it and just wondered if there are any expressed interest.

The majority of the Conversion games will be the unrealeses AES Games like: eek!

Nightmare in the Dark
Captian Tomaday
Zupapa
Prehistoric Izle 2
Shock Troopers 1

Also hard to find (or extremely expensive AES Games) like: eek!

Neo Turf Master
Bust-A-Move Again
Magical Drop 2 and 3
Kizuna Encounter
Pulstar
Blazing Star

I was thinking about pricing each game at around $225-$250 each. If customers provided part of the games either the AES or MVS carts there would be a service fee for the conversion or possible finding the other cart needed for the conversion, around $85 for it. help

If anyone has any suggestions on pricing, what would be fair please let me know? I have 300+ positive feedback and excellent soldering skins (on some conversion in the beginning I'd go chip for chip sodder then desorder. I had to stop that as I couldn't tell factor vs my work and ended up taking some of my own solder chips off glee )

Thanks for any advice

SNK PLaymore Corp are probably loving you. :rolleyes:

BeefJerky · Jul 16, 2003

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oh nos!!!!1 teh playmore secret police!!11 runz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

CarBaXinE · Jul 16, 2003

Matt Semmel:
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oh nos!!!!1 teh playmore secret police!!11 runz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

lol lol

supergoose · Jul 16, 2003

what's that funnay? Jorge is right.

Amano Jacu · Jul 16, 2003

They are still alive... the vile tribe that worships the dark Neo Gods and offers them sacrifices in pagan rituals... They renounce to use the privileges that the modern science gave use (aka Phantom converters and MVS set-ups) and prefer to stick with their ancient behavior...

eek!

Herzog Drei · Jul 16, 2003

mmustang89:
I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a new Website that mainly sold Neo Geo Conversion games and sold Conversion service's including mods to Neo Geo AES Systems?

glee I'm thinking about launching a website for it and just wondered if there are any expressed interest.

The majority of the Conversion games will be the unrealeses AES Games like: eek!

Nightmare in the Dark
Captian Tomaday
Zupapa
Prehistoric Izle 2
Shock Troopers 1

Also hard to find (or extremely expensive AES Games) like: eek!

Neo Turf Master
Bust-A-Move Again
Magical Drop 2 and 3
Kizuna Encounter
Pulstar
Blazing Star

I was thinking about pricing each game at around $225-$250 each. If customers provided part of the games either the AES or MVS carts there would be a service fee for the conversion or possible finding the other cart needed for the conversion, around $85 for it. help

If anyone has any suggestions on pricing, what would be fair please let me know? I have 300+ positive feedback and excellent soldering skins (on some conversion in the beginning I'd go chip for chip sodder then desorder. I had to stop that as I couldn't tell factor vs my work and ended up taking some of my own solder chips off glee )

Thanks for any advice

<a href="http://www.neogeousa.com" target="_blank">!Arcade!</a> already have a site about exactly that kind of thing,and it's VERY quiet over there now... oh_no

waku7 · Jul 16, 2003

Neo conversions are forbidden by the neo-geo.com members that discovered neo geo games in 2000.

Considered as bootlegs.
The same persons that bought from arcade, thought they didn't use sac carts.
what a joke

A conversion of an unreleased game is pretty good.
A conversion from an aes release is a shit.

<small>[ July 16, 2003, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: waku7 ]</small>

Tiptonium · Jul 16, 2003

eye eye

JHendrix · Jul 16, 2003

Yes see you need to be informed how Conversions work in the modern Neo society we live in.

See Playmore supposedly doesn't like conversions if only for the sheer fact that it involves someone profiting off of their copyrighted artwork - as that's the only thing that is "illegal" about the whole process: you need to make and sell a cart sticker/insert for your converted game.

So the topic and tech discussions on how to do it are forbidden here on NG.com, but that does not mean conversions are no longer being done.

See there are places out there like !Arcade! and NGF that officially "don't do conversions anymore", but they still do on a limited basis and they're un-advertised. Word is spread through PM's and emails of private collectors and home cart big-shots that they can get some "MVS only game" on home cart with this conversion that was made by "Person X".

The only thing Playmore's/NG.com's crack down on conversions has stopped was basically preventing the people who didn't want to play ass loads of money for great games like Metal Slug or Twinkle Star Sprites on AES from getting much cheaper conversions of that game rather than the official home cart.

HPMAN · Jul 16, 2003

Amano Jacu:
They are still alive... the vile tribe that worships the dark Neo Gods and offers them sacrifices in pagan rituals... They renounce to use the privileges that the modern science gave use (aka Phantom converters and MVS set-ups) and prefer to stick with their ancient behavior...

eek!

Aren't you aware that a cart has to be destroyed to appraise a Phantom-1 ? shame

Amano Jacu · Jul 16, 2003

HPMAN:

Aren't you aware that a cart has to be destroyed to appraise a Phantom-1 ? shame

Click to expand...

You are right, but at least you only need to sacrifice once only ONE AES cart and you can use the same converter for every MVS cart (that by the way also don't get destroyed in the process). Anyway I do agree that even the Phantom is quite outdated now and the way to go is a MVS set-up, either cab or supergun. That's the most ecological way. Save the planet (I mean Neo carts)! loco

SNKJorge · Jul 16, 2003

waku7:

A conversion of an unreleased game is pretty good.
A conversion from an aes release is a shit.

I totally agree with you here. glee

mmustang89 · Jul 16, 2003

I can't see everyone going crazy over this BUT release if the games where sold like this:

I would include the orginial MVS game and chips. So what the buyer would receive is two games one AES and one MVS (different games themselves).

SO infact you would receive all original NO BOOTLEG SNK Games with basically the chips from one board moved to the other. This alone CAN NOT be illegal since proved it is the SAME thing as selling you 1 MVS Cart and 1 AES Cart BOTH Legal Carts.

Can any see the fairness in this? Some people need to just relax on this subject and relax and dont worry there originals are NOT going to go down in price any time soon.

supergoose · Jul 16, 2003

mmustang89: Can any see the fairness in this? Some people need to just relax on this subject and relax and dont worry there originals are NOT going to go down in price any time soon. p

no. 'cause the tech forum looked like a fucking bloody slaughterhouse a few months ago. everyone tried to make his own conversions and lots of those guys didn't even know how to solder.
there also was this one guy, who wanted to make a viewpoint conversion! fucking nuts. oh_no

eh ... and btw ... no, we DON'T need an other page, that teaches the scammers how to produce fake carts.

HPMAN · Jul 16, 2003

$250 converted Prehistoric Isle 2...

You don't know what you're talking about, right ? :rolleyes:

c.t.h · Jul 16, 2003

LOL

Has this guy ever even picked up a soldering iron?

HPMAN · Jul 16, 2003

mmustang89:
Also hard to find (or extremely expensive AES Games) like: eek!

Bust-A-Move Again

Indeed, Bust A Move Again home cart is hard to find...

JHendrix · Jul 16, 2003

Heh, see this is the one thing that would be super easy to setup a one stop scam shop for the home cart market.

I mean it'd be tough to do with a game like the Euro Kizuana that you only know of two people to buy it from but it's pretty much a synch job to rip off someone with a really good conversion.

Buy a US Metal Slug 1 home cart, yeah it's a $2500 investment but it's not that bad considering what you can get back on it.

Scan in all the artwork and the manual in every detail.

Use the scans as a base and re-create the insert from the ground up, same thing for the sticker and the manual (the hardest part).

Go to a professional printer and have it done on some high quality paper.

Perform the conversion with a sac cart that requires no jumpers. And just take your time soldering it to make sure it's as smooth as could be.

Test the game to ensure it works 100%.

Re-assemble the package with care. If you take your time and have the right tools (exacto knife, cutting board, T-Square, etc) anyone could get this done right and have it be pretty much indistinguishable from the real game. Hell you could even change the UPC serial numbers on the back of the carts (if they have them) if you wanted to.

Thing is you could make dozens of these things and pawn them off over a years time through different fronts, etc and no one would be able to figure any of it out, and at $2500+ a pop you're making out like a bandit (wait you would be a bandit), making it more than worth the time/effort/money you had to invest to create the thing.

I mean I don't think it's fair to not trust !Arcade! because he claimed he could make an indistinguishable replica of a rare home cart, you have a legion of people who could do the same thing in OUR tech forum alone. Not that I think any of us have the lack of morals to do such a thing, but to think that there is only one or two people capable of such a good job then you're really off base. Hell as far as I see it, you guys are lucky there hasn't been a real professional bootlegger/theif out there for the Home Cart market that would sell conversions of rare games as legit, you'd never be able to catch them with the way the market is for this stuff.

Actually this is pretty friggin scarry when you think about the potential there is to rip people off with this crap... oh_no

waku7 · Jul 16, 2003

I think it is better to let convertion only to people that know how to solder.

Let convertions to professionals, and pay for real good games

mmustang89 · Jul 16, 2003

No ones talking about making Legal Conversions and selling them as originals.

The subject is having in your possession 2 Carts:

One MVS
One AES

Removing chips from each, switching them around. Now how could this be unfair to anyone? 2 licensed SNK Carts with there contents physically unchanged or modified, its a simple existane of one on the other.

TWO LEGAL CARTS you own LEGALLY.

Like purchasing 2 cars, a Chevy and a Ford, then whiching the Ford to use the Chevy modern. In now way does this make it ILLEGAL. I'm not sure why some people seem to be hard headed and dont understand this.

Can anyone back me up on this.

mmustang89 · Jul 16, 2003

In this scenario no carts would be sacrificed as putting the MVS Cart back together would be just as easy as the AES Cart.

In now way would these be considered bootlegs

I know what bootlegs are and I've seen them. NONE SNK Boards, Funny looking wires/chips floating around on a board. NOW thats illegal. I only know cause I purchased one and got ripped off! When it was said to be original. I've since thrown away the cart and bought another one which was SNK.

So moving SNK Parts to SNK Boards on SNK products without using anyting but SNK everything is what "unfair"?

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