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Mr.Big
05-10-2001, 12:05 PM
For all those Geese & Krauser fans out there like myself,do you think those 2 ever got along?I think they did,sort of.Tell me what you think.

samuraiX
05-10-2001, 12:08 PM
I think they did sort of. At least at some point it seems as if they were together in their goals...

JIrish
05-10-2001, 12:18 PM
Well, KOF 96's Boss Team ending has Krauser simply walking away from Geese basically saying "It's been been fun, Geese. Until next time." So at the very least at that point in the continuity they weren't at each other's necks.

Taiso
05-10-2001, 12:31 PM
I don't know that they ever DIDN'T get along. Certainly, their respective paths in life would have put them at odds with one another somewhere down the road but only in the anime did Geese out and out HATE Krauser, as far as I can tell. I don't recall seeing anywhere in the games themselves that the two were specifically at odds with one another and nothing I've seen, with the exception of the Fatal Fury 2 and Fatal Fury Special mangas by Mondo Kei that ran in Comic Gamest, ever proved such a notion to me. And as much as I liked those stories they, like the anime, are NOT canon.

The Geese Howard manga talks about a young Geese (teenage years) being sent to Southtown by his family shortly after his mother's death to be a future liaison between the Krauser family's secret cabal of darkness and a prominent mafia gang that controlled Southtown. This shows that Geese was never going to be groomed to be anything other than a smaller player in the Krauser family schemes. It's a testament to Geese's strength and ingenuity, then, that he broke away and took control of his own destiny by becoming Southtown's boss as time passed and he grew older and more cunning.

I like this version of the story and wish it was canon, but it probably isn't <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be varying opinions on this subject. That's my take <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">.

LWK
05-10-2001, 12:47 PM
Geese is my worthless half brother, I never even got around to finishing his gravestone, may sound crude but oh well..
As ive stated many times, Geese is and excellent fighter but nothing compared to me.

LWK
05-10-2001, 12:50 PM
Err.. I meant was....

Rain
05-10-2001, 02:26 PM
KOF '96 was the only game ever when they appeared together in a storyline game..... Special was a dream match, Geese was dead in RBFFS and i'm sure that RBFF2 was a dream match *Getting ready for a reply from Taiso <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">* So seeing as in KOF '96 they teamed together, i'd say they got along quite well.

Taiso
05-10-2001, 03:42 PM
Rain:

I'm NOT replying to your comments about RB2 and RBS being dream matches.

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The Kaiser
05-10-2001, 04:08 PM
Geese is an Excellent fighter, but he does not have teh fighting qualities of Krauser as he was not groomed for teh job...like krauser was for the Strolheim Dynasty (Or clan or whatever)

Rain
05-10-2001, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Taiso:
<STRONG>Rain:

I'm NOT replying to your comments about RB2 and RBS being dream matches.

<IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

No worries mate, we gotta start a new topic we disagree on man..... <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Taiso
05-10-2001, 05:54 PM
Rain:

From what I see over in the 'Guile, Remy or Charlie' thread, there's a 'Is Balrog (spanish ninja) gay?' thread just WAITING to erupt throughout neo-geo.com <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">!

traydaripper
05-14-2001, 10:30 AM
geese would kill krouser, but well never know for sure now will we. now as for geese being dead, did u see him die no, so hes dead like he died in ff1. hes not dead.

Rugal 3:16
05-15-2001, 09:36 PM
Geese and Krauser were basically n cahoots in kof 96 with both of them using Mr. Big

why?

because Krauser never got enraged when Geese used him, so that must mean they know

BTW i think Krauser is stronger than Geese in a way but Geese is just way too popular so he gets all the Pushes, the hype, the fans.

Mr.Big
05-17-2001, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Rugal 3:16:
<STRONG>Geese and Krauser were basically n cahoots in kof 96 with both of them using Mr. Big

why?

because Krauser never got enraged when Geese used him, so that must mean they know

BTW i think Krauser is stronger than Geese in a way but Geese is just way too popular so he gets all the Pushes, the hype, the fans.</STRONG>

I think Krauser kind of knew what Geese was up.He was more than willing to even the score with Bogards & Mr.Big wanted a shot at them for the 1st time,but I don't think the "Brothers of Destruction"were in cahoots to use Mr.Big

Taiso
05-17-2001, 11:20 AM
Mr. Big:

I somewhat agree. Why would Krauser care about Mr. Big one way or the other? No offense (based on your ng.com handle, I can tell you like Big somewhat), but Mr. Big is a small time crime lord and Krauser's manipulating global politics. He gains nothing by taking advantage of Mr. Big's position because it's not a very lofty one in the overall world power landscape. Krauser most likely has people in his organization that handle the logistics of dealing with the minor powers. Krauser's got bigger fish to fry and can't be concerned with anything less.

Krauser was in the tournament for the interest of the competition, to see what Geese was up to (and most likely try to take advantage of it if worth considering) and to get his rematch with Terry Bogard.

GEESE, however, was using Mr. Big as muscle to help pave his way to uncovering the secrets of Orochi, plain and simple. That much is evident in the boss team's ending cinemas. He was probably using Krauser towards the same end, given the way Geese operates, but I think Krauser suspected that Geese was up to something and went along with him out of curiosity towards his half brother's designs. Mr. Big, on the other hand, was totally duped.

[EDIT-added the word 'somewhat' to my first sentence to more accurately express my thoughts]

[ May 17, 2001: Message edited by: Taiso ]

Rain
05-17-2001, 04:38 PM
Here's one for you Taiso <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Were Geese and Krauser ever credited as half brothers in the FF series? I know they were in the Anime and maybe, in the Manga, But I can't remember a reference to it game-wise...... Come on mate, Show us what you got <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Taiso
05-17-2001, 05:11 PM
To MY knowledge, there is no in game references to the two of them being brothers. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think it's ever mentioned in the games. Anybody out there want to back me up on this?

There ARE, however, several official SNK publications that have character backgrounds and descriptions in them (like Neo Geo Freak and so forth, character profiles included with games and such) that say Geese and Krauser are half brothers. There are a couple of SNK books that show diagrams with little boxes of the characters' faces and lines intersecting between them to illustrate whatever connections exist between them. I always see a line between Geese and Krauser with the symbol for brothers written on it. It's the same symbol as the one that connects Terry and Andy, so I know I'm reading it right <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">.

An' that's all I got <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">.

Mr.Big
05-18-2001, 01:35 AM
Hey Taiso

You are right.Geese & Krauser are indeed half brothers.They have the same father but different mothers.I recall that Geese Howard's father,Rudolph left his mother to be with a woman from the Krauser family who he later marries.

Rain
05-19-2001, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Taiso:
<STRONG>To MY knowledge, there is no in game references to the two of them being brothers. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think it's ever mentioned in the games. Anybody out there want to back me up on this?

There ARE, however, several official SNK publications that have character backgrounds and descriptions in them (like Neo Geo Freak and so forth, character profiles included with games and such) that say Geese and Krauser are half brothers. There are a couple of SNK books that show diagrams with little boxes of the characters' faces and lines intersecting between them to illustrate whatever connections exist between them. I always see a line between Geese and Krauser with the symbol for brothers written on it. It's the same symbol as the one that connects Terry and Andy, so I know I'm reading it right <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">.

An' that's all I got <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">.</STRONG>

Cheers mate, I knew you'd be the guy to ask <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Overkill Geyser
05-20-2001, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Rain:
<STRONG>KOF '96 was the only game ever when they appeared together in a storyline game..... Special was a dream match, Geese was dead in RBFFS and i'm sure that RBFF2 was a dream match *Getting ready for a reply from Taiso <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">* So seeing as in KOF '96 they teamed together, i'd say they got along quite well.</STRONG>

Yes!! I've been waiting for a topic like this to go ahead and tell people the truth!! Okay, it's like this: In the first 4 Fatal Fury games (1, 2, Special, & 3) Geese was gathering these 3 scrolls. They were said to make the person that got all 3 of them all powerful, or something. And in Fatal Fury 3, Geese got the 3rd scroll while everbody was busy fighting. After reading them, he didn't feel or notice anything, so he tole Billy, in Real Bout, to throw the scolls away. Billy didn't, and when Terry kills Geese in Real Bout, Geese's essence is transferred into the scrolls. He's a ghost now!! Or Phantom, or whatever. But, as long as those scrolls are around, Geese will be around. For proof on all of this, read the instruction book for Real Bout, check out the "ghostly mist" around Geese in Real Bout Special, and check out his ending in Real Bout 2. *Ahhhh... it feels so good to finally get that off my chest...*

Taiso
05-21-2001, 02:18 AM
Overkill:

You almost perfectly nailed what I feel is the correct interpretation of the FF continuity. It is for these reasons, in addition to the all important research (which I'm sure some are sick of me saying by now), that I don't feel any Real Bout games are dream matches, but opinions are going to vary greatly, I assure you <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">.

The only area where I'll beg to differ is in when Geese was searching for the Jin Scrolls. I think he was hunting for them AFTER, not during, FF 1 and didn't get them until Real Bout. And keep in mind that FFS either is a dream match or replaces FF2 in the continuity depending on which version of the story you believe to be true, but in either case the scrolls didn't exist as an intelletual property until FF3's story was written, so if Geese was looking for them before then in the storyline, it was retrocorrective writing.

Rain
05-21-2001, 01:34 PM
So SNK could bring back Geese whenever they wanted, as Nightmare Geese right? Looks like he may be back in KOF 2001 then.... hopefully with Krauser and someone else.

Mr.Big
05-21-2001, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Rain:
<STRONG>So SNK could bring back Geese whenever they wanted, as Nightmare Geese right? Looks like he may be back in KOF 2001 then.... hopefully with Krauser and someone else.</STRONG>

Man I'll be happy as hell if this happens.A team of Nightmare Geese,Krauser,Mr.Big & someone else(like you said)would be the s!@t

HIDDEN WARRIOR
05-23-2001, 02:18 PM
If u watch the mark of the wolves intro u will see that real bout was his last appearence continuity wise.It would be silly if snk made geese a ghost.They advertised that "geese must go" for a reason.


so long my half brother....

Taiso
05-23-2001, 04:04 PM
Unless you consider the fact that they were showing when Geese died, not his 'last appearance'.

SNK4EVER
05-23-2001, 08:31 PM
I've also noticed in Real Bout Special: Dominated Mind for PSX that Geese has a halo (I'm not sure if he has one in the arcade RBS though).

HIDDEN WARRIOR
05-25-2001, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Taiso:
<STRONG>Unless you consider the fact that they were showing when Geese died, not his 'last appearance'.</STRONG>

But then the intro would lose impact and the point would be lost."geese must go".

I just think it would be silly if geese is going around as a ghost.

geese:biiiiiillyyyy(in wailing ghost voice)

billy:bloody hell!dont sneak up to me like that boss!You almost gave me a bloody heart attack!

geese:come on!I have something to show you billy.

billy:its not those scrolls you asked me to tear up is it?

geese:no.look at these!

billy:OH BLOODY HELL!!HOW DID YOU GET THEM?!

geese:im a ghost remember?Im invisable idiot!I sneaked in while she was taking a shower and took snap shots!

billy:your the best,boss!Can I keep these photos of mai?

geese: ofcourse

billy:so what will you do now?

geese:well..I already conquered hell and kicked out satan making me ruler of hades...hmmm.What to do next...Want me to take snapshots of blue mary?

billy:YES I DO!!!!!!

geese:hehe.I'll give copies to andy as well.He secretely prefers mary over mai.

billy:wow!didnt know that!

geese:theres alot you can find out when your a ghost.

[ May 25, 2001: Message edited by: HIDDEN WARRIOR ]

Taiso
05-25-2001, 04:41 PM
Well, Geese's death in RBFF doesn't lose any of its impact for me just because he shows up as a ghost to fight Terry later. I guess I just look at it differently from you and see different elements in the dramatics, is all.

Reno Garcia
05-26-2001, 02:12 PM
Yes, Geese is dead in RBFF(featured 1996, not?), but... the ending of RBS team in KOF 97, Billy reported Geese !!!!!!!!
??????? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Tekyo
05-26-2001, 11:37 PM
I tought that Krauser is a stronger than Geese.

Rain
05-27-2001, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by HIDDEN WARRIOR:
<STRONG>But then the intro would lose impact and the point would be lost."geese must go".

I just think it would be silly if geese is going around as a ghost.

geese:biiiiiillyyyy(in wailing ghost voice)

billy:bloody hell!dont sneak up to me like that boss!You almost gave me a bloody heart attack!

geese:come on!I have something to show you billy.

billy:its not those scrolls you asked me to tear up is it?

geese:no.look at these!

billy:OH BLOODY HELL!!HOW DID YOU GET THEM?!

geese:im a ghost remember?Im invisable idiot!I sneaked in while she was taking a shower and took snap shots!

billy:your the best,boss!Can I keep these photos of mai?

geese: ofcourse

billy:so what will you do now?

geese:well..I already conquered hell and kicked out satan making me ruler of hades...hmmm.What to do next...Want me to take snapshots of blue mary?

billy:YES I DO!!!!!!

geese:hehe.I'll give copies to andy as well.He secretely prefers mary over mai.

billy:wow!didnt know that!

geese:theres alot you can find out when your a ghost.

[ May 25, 2001: Message edited by: HIDDEN WARRIOR ]</STRONG>


Thats some funny shit HW! (Funny, you have the same initials as my girlfriend....ooooookay) Although having Geese as a ghost is okay in my book, your interpretation above, made me laugh out loud! In a good way of course.

Overkill Geyser
05-28-2001, 11:05 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Reno Garcia:
<STRONG>Yes, Geese is dead in RBFF(featured 1996, not?), but... the ending of RBS team in KOF 97, Billy reported Geese !!!!!!!!
??????? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>[/QUOTE}

HELLLOOOOO!!! Check out my earlier posts! Geese is a Phantom, or something like that. Not a ghost like Casper, going through walls and stuff, but he IS dead. He comes out when he feels like it. The thing I wonder is, where is he durning Mark of the Wolves? Did Billy take him (the scrolls) with him, or did someone destroy the scrolls before Mark of the Wolves? I wonder...