What real KOF is all about...

Alot of KOF'ers think there damn good, but when you fight them they lose....
The reason?
Its simple actually, the real experts are mainly in japan (some, but not all!)
Rafee, is a guy well known for being a expert, he can waste you in 5 second with Orochi Iori.

Here is the link to the true KOF 2000 experts.
These are mpeg format, so if you can handle it, better start crying.
Some of these are easy, (mainly the Kyo ones, especially the one with another iori as a striker)
However, the eagle stance Jhun one, is not as easy.
http://calypso.spaceports.com/~jaredlow/combos/index.html?99725150488077

Once you nail these, you can wipe people's asses out with ease, I like this one myself. I put this together looking at the example they have of another iori and Kyo.

Jump in+C,C, CQF+DD, HCB+B,(Right when it hits bring out another iori) then follow up with a serpant wave, which if done with one power stock will NOT be as damaging, but with 3 you can have a 90% or so. (*THIS MUST BE DONE IN A CORNER, THE EXPLANATION IS FOR DOING STANDING ON THE LEFT FACING A OPONENT IN THE RIGHT CORNER)
That ones a cinch. Make sure you check out the K' one with ramon, that one is a cinch as well.

I'm quite impressed, but why can't some of these guys come up with combos, with Duck King striker, Chin Striker{if you can create with kyo, you'd be impressed with what you can do with chin,the serpent wave into the qcfx2 super, timing is the key}, Kaoru, Daimon striker, Billy, ???
I hate the simplicity of combos using Robert, Ramon, Joe, Seth, Another Iori, King, Vanessa, Maxima, Shermie,Yuri,Syo Yashiro,Leona, Benimaru, Yamazaki or even Ryo striker combos, and Eiji infinites.

I'll explain it to you, then... If done right, as you jump into the opponent with kyo,with a jump cd, if the opponent attacks you and the word counter comes out, you can do the qcb, qcf dm, the key is to know that the opponent will attack you, and have already called chin out, which is the hardest part, of the combo, if you can get that part to work, because the qcb,qcf, move will burn the opponent. As he is trying to fall down, chin will hit him in the air, notice that when chin hits, the opponent will no longer be burning, as you already know chin, does mutliple hits on an opponent, although it is very hard to hit the opponent with any standard attack, you can do the qcfx2, super move, it has to be done, as chin is still hitting the opponent but before the last hit.
Chances of doing the combo are very slim.
Because of the reliance of the opponents attack, if he doesn't atack, the word counter will not appear, which means you can't hit the opponent in the air again.
Duck King can be very fun, if you know what you are doing. Imagine with Takuma, if executed correctly, crossover the opponent with d, already call duck, then c forward a,hopefuly if you have done it correctly, the opponent will be trapped in ducks legs, then do down a, three times, into a max super. Or you can do the stupid super, then the big fireball into the qcb with kick, move, but before you push the button, you hit b and c at the same time, 1. the opponent's guard is broken, because the qcb move, cancels the block when a fireball is thrown, 2. he can't jump, because the fireball is already in front of him, 3. he can't roll backwards, cause your qcb move , moves the screen back, 4. he can't roll forwards because duck is coming down. 5. highly unlikely but possible he can call a striker, but most likely it will be too late for the striker to save him.

people who need strikers to defeat other people are scrubs.THATS THE BOTTOM LINE CAUSE HIDDEN WARRIOR SAID SO!!!!!

How you play is up to you.

I ask the opponent how he wants to play, whether he wants me to use one hand, no special moves, no strikers, all random, whatever he wants.
I lose alot but hell, I giving my money away to a worthy cause, an industry that helped me, stay away{somewhat} from gangs and drugs.

SHIN-HIDOSHI ,

How do you play with one hand? Sounds hard! Hehe.

Well,playing with one hands remind me a guy who won 34 games with one hnad.I can play Kyo with one hand quite much now.

Gotta rush, so don't mind any errors, Playing one handed is easy, if anyone doesn't believe me, then ask anyone who comes from Hawaii to tell you, the best way is to play one handed, all random, no strikeres, and no, absolutely no special moves or command grabs.

Ummm...I once tried playing with jsut one hand...which controller do you use?

I've got an oldstyle board and it's rather difficult to cover all four buttons and have total control on the stick <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Some of these are still merely advanced combos...anyone go to www.white-tower.net ?

The best players actually aren't in Japan, they pretty much reside in Taiwan and Hong Kong now, but I heard the little twelve year old players in Japan are so feirce.

Man this not experty that he can waste u in 5 seconds with OROCHI IORI experty is this That i have OROCHI IORI and he have normal IORI and then he beat me.

But the point is 5 seconds is still pretty fast even if you are using Orochi Iori!

Kyo and Iori... my team! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
LWK its probably better to finish that combo with D version of RED kick rather than to use a level, it does almost as much damage as serpent wave.
also after iori hits, you can hop back do QCF+DD, HCB+B, then do QCF+A, (delay) QCF+A, (delay) B.
It should do about as much as your combo with level 3 serpent wave.
and if you wanna go up to 100%
after that delayed B, call iori again and then just do either version of RED KICK.

If you ever use A.Iori out of the blue for assist, and he connects do a D version RED Kick.

Another combo i use alot is:
hop b, stand C, QCF+C, HCB+C, F+BC (a.iori call), D version RED Kick. about 55%

Anywhere:
Kyo + 1 A.Iori Striker = 55%

Corner:
Kyo + 1 A.Iori Striker = 85%
Kyo + 2 A.Iori Strikers = 100%

Its pretty much the 2nd Kyo video at the URL you posted.
"Kyo/A-Iori 100%"
except you don't have to do the 3rd set of the QCF+DD, and definately not have to waste 3 levels.

[ August 13, 2001: Message edited by: shin-kyo ]

I wonder if someone can play with 2legs or 1leg only? <IMG SRC="smilies/smirk.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
<STRONG>Alot of KOF'ers think there damn good, but when you fight them they lose....
The reason?
Its simple actually, the real experts are mainly in japan (some, but not all!)
Rafee, is a guy well known for being a expert, he can waste you in 5 second with Orochi Iori.

Here is the link to the true KOF 2000 experts.
These are mpeg format, so if you can handle it, better start crying.
Some of these are easy, (mainly the Kyo ones, especially the one with another iori as a striker)
However, the eagle stance Jhun one, is not as easy.
http://calypso.spaceports.com/~jaredlow/combos/index.html?99725150488077

Once you nail these, you can wipe people's asses out with ease, I like this one myself. I put this together looking at the example they have of another iori and Kyo.

Jump in+C,C, CQF+DD, HCB+B,(Right when it hits bring out another iori) then follow up with a serpant wave, which if done with one power stock will NOT be as damaging, but with 3 you can have a 90% or so. (*THIS MUST BE DONE IN A CORNER, THE EXPLANATION IS FOR DOING STANDING ON THE LEFT FACING A OPONENT IN THE RIGHT CORNER)
That ones a cinch. Make sure you check out the K' one with ramon, that one is a cinch as well.</STRONG>

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Nice combos to look at, actually...

But here's my gripe with the whole KOF "expert" thing. Just about every player these days are using the obviously predictable, popular and powerful characters that don't take much work at all in order to win. This is REALLY apperant in a game like KOF 2000 where people can use teams composed of Iori, Seth, Lin, Kyo, or other insanely popular characters who have high damaging combos which require the least amount of work. Otherwise, they're using weird characters like Hinako that have strange quirks and combos which seem to work more because of the glitches of the system and not because they are good.

To make a long story short... ANYONE can get long win streaks if they stick to the mainstream characters. I find those who just use the "popular" characters very boring to fight against, and could care less if they've managed to obtain a very high win streak. True experts of the game would be able to go beyond the obvious and do something different...

Well... that was how things used to be back in the "before time". Nowadays, any newbie can read an FAQ, watch a few combo videos and study a few tournament rankings to find out who are the "better" characters, then master their 2 or 3 good combos and become a major threat. To me, that shows a major lack of originality and innovation, and shows me that you turly lack real skills since you can't do anything beyond the obvious.

Go ahead, flame me all you want... but if someone is using the four strongest characters in the game and is having "close" matches with those who use a team like Chin, Kasumi, Yuri and Bao, then there is a MAJOR problem. Experts should be able to walk all over this team, but even I can give people a great challenge that goes down to the wire with an obviously disadvantaged team. But yet, since they still won, they consider themselves the "best"? You can see how something like this is laughable...

OK... I've said my part... I expect the typical flames from those who think that winning is the only part. There is something to be said about those who can do things beyond the obvious... these are the people that help make these games have a longer life in arcades, for they are the ones that will always bring something new to the table. Without them, everyone would be doing Iori/Seth Striker combos and the game would be even more boring than it already is... <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

VinylBoy very true, but theres also no point to play low tier characters if you can't win with them. I mean you can't tell me that you would want to play low tier characters and get owned the whole day, that can't be that much fun. Label me as a scrub but I've always liked Kyo since '96, and will continue to use him, i could care less what ppl think, i use characters i like. Very much the same reason why i use him in CvS despite him not being in top tier.
Of course i also use random alot, or once in a while choose 1 characer or striker so I mix it up a little.
But I also have 'my' team much like everyone else, when i need to win.

Originally posted by shin-kyo:
<STRONG>VinylBoy very true, but theres also no point to play low tier characters if you can't win with them. I mean you can't tell me that you would want to play low tier characters and get owned the whole day, that can't be that much fun. Label me as a scrub but I've always liked Kyo since '96, and will continue to use him, i could care less what ppl think, i use characters i like. Very much the same reason why i use him in CvS despite him not being in top tier.
Of course i also use random alot, or once in a while choose 1 characer or striker so I mix it up a little.
But I also have 'my' team much like everyone else, when i need to win.</STRONG>

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I'm not denouncing those who play the more popular characters in general... just those who claim to be the best just because these are the only characters they use. I've made it a point to play with Athena, Kensou and Chin in every KOF that has been released. They're usually characters that are ignored every year, minus KOF '95 where Chin had an extremely high-damaging SDM, KOF '96 when Athena was the tick damage queen, and in KOF '99 when Kensou had that insanely easy Foot Launcher infinite.

In a tournament, anything goes... so I wouldn't be surprised to see people going for theri best characters in hopes for a win (to a point, of course... some secret characters in KOF should NEVER be allowed in tournament play for obvious reasons). In regular play, however, it gets rather boring fighting against a slew of people where 85% of your opponents are using 2 or 3 of the supposed best characters each time (Lin, Seth, Iori, Kyo). For the last three months, I've seen these characters chosen more than any other players in the game, and it has made me extremely frustrated and bored with KOF 2000. I've dealt with so many Seth strikers with both positive and negative results) that I really hate playing against most humans in this game. It's the same thing that happened with KOF '97 and the overuse of Orochi Iori and Orochi Leona... WAY too many fans of these characters.

I'm not saying I'm the best in these games by any means. Even after perfecting some major strats with Team China after 7 years of constant use, they still are relative underdogs compared to the rest of the roster. Yet, I'm still able to obtain the occasional win, which may show people that there are other characters that can be as good as the fab four... I even shared some of my other "unknown strats" with people in arcades and this forum, like the "Blue Mary/Yashiro" 100% and Kensou's Autoguarding. Still.. very little people are actually trying to find other ways to play the game.

The lack of innovative players has made me dislike playing KOF 2000... it's easily going down as one of the worst KOFs in the series (in my book). Let's pray that KOF 2001 is a major improvement, or else, you'll find me playing CvS2 for now on until SNK starts getting it right again.
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That's the problem with boss/hidden characters. Everyone likes them because it takes very little talent or strategy (or both) to consistantly win matches. They're overpowering compared to the average fighter, and better in almost every way.

Hidden and boss characters just shouldn't be allowed in tournament play. Utilize some real ability, for God's sake.