Story tidbits - Takuma, Geese & Jeff Bogard

Takumaji

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While reading my collection of more or less obscure Neo game story text files, I found a small bit of info about Takuma that I haven't found elsewhere.

According to Kalu Lantis' "Tormented Battles - The Story of the King of Fighters Tournament" (GameFAQs should have a copy of it, it's called "Story Guide" there), it was not Geese who killed Jeff Bogard, Terry's and Andy's step-father, but no other than Takuma Sakazaki, then one of Geese's best henchmen. The scar on his back is from this fight.

Now what? Takuma a Geese lackey? Is that the reason why he was "too tired to go to the tournament" after KoF94 and 95?

I can't believe this.
 

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Naw, can't be it's totally not Takuma's style, even though I don't like Takuma that just sounds like a forced way to try and connect the FF and AOF storylines for a bogus KoF subplot to have Terry and Andy go after Takuma which means damn near everything in FF shouldn't have happen.

That would make a great FF/AOF anime plot though but for the games.......................no

<small>[ February 04, 2003, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Yung Burnout ]</small>
 

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It is true the SNES version of AOF mentions this in the ending. Also, in KOF'94 beat the FF team with Takuma. One his quotes is something like "Jeff'd be crying in heaven".
 

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Yung Burnout:
Naw, can't be it's totally not Takuma's style, even though I don't like Takuma that just sounds like a forced way to try and connect the FF and AOF storylines for a bogus KoF subplot to have Terry and Andy go after Takuma which means damn near everything in FF shouldn't have happen.

That would make a great FF/AOF anime plot though but for the games.......................no
Actually buddy, that kinda is Takuma's style.

I heard Takuma to be one ruthless SOB in his younger days, quite the opposite of the caring, nurturing patriarch we've come to see... I think you see flashes of his former self in the end of AOF 1.

I also read somewhere that he used to be in the crime syndicate with Geese about 20 years or so before the first FF takes place. Don't remember anything about him working under Geese though...

EDIT: Tom brings up a good point. I always thought that was one of the most ice cold disses in a fighting game.

It just further hints at the undercover badass we know as Takuma.

<small>[ February 04, 2003, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: Body rip ]</small>
 

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Actually buddy, that kinda is Takuma's style.

I heard Takuma to be one ruthless SOB in his younger days, quite the opposite of the caring, nurturing patriarch we've come to see... I think you see flashes of his former self in the end of AOF 1.

I also read somewhere that he used to be in the crime syndicate with Geese about 20 years or so before the first FF takes place. Don't remember anything about him working under Geese though...
Me thinks I'll break out AOF when I get home later, course I think half of my refusal to believe this is cause how can you go to hanging with Geese to trainging a wuss like Robert( let's just say I'd rather see Bao hang around then him )
 

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As much as I adore Geese Howard, I have to say that Takuma ownz Geese. No other fighter is as cool for me than TAkuma in KOF98.

I believe that story, coz' Takuma used to be the bad guy in AOF, and he plays a cool role in KOF95.

And in 98, he's in the best boss team. buttrock
 

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Body rip:
[...] I also read somewhere that he used to be in the crime syndicate with Geese about 20 years or so before the first FF takes place. Don't remember anything about him working under Geese though...

EDIT: Tom brings up a good point. I always thought that was one of the most ice cold disses in a fighting game.

It just further hints at the undercover badass we know as Takuma.
Takuma is also a secret character in Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition on PSX. I don't know how WA fits into the general timeline, but it's remarkeable nonetheless.
 

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Tom:
It is true the SNES version of AOF mentions this in the ending. Also, in KOF'94 beat the FF team with Takuma. One his quotes is something like "Jeff'd be crying in heaven".
I know this quote, but I always thought it's just his way of saying "shame on you for fighting so badly".
 

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I've actually heard that rendition before. I don't think it's true though, because that would ruin all sorts of storylines, and at that time Jeff Bogard was supposed to be a great fighter or a king of fighter's himself.

I believe that Geese, Takuma, and Jeff may have all been rivals all those years ago. I bet Geese sent Takuma to kill him, but he couldnt/would'nt do it.

Talking about that, if Rugal can bring Saishu's "corpse" back to life in 95, it would have been cool to finally see what Jeff looked like and fought like in a dream match too!
 

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A "King of Fighters '73" prequel would be a good idea I think. buttrock

You could have all sorts of funky characters on there.
 

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As much as I know Jeff died after AOF2.If you beat Geese(so if you enter the secret stage) in AOF2.In the ending Ripper or hopper infornm Geese thats Jeff Bogard makes his syndicat in some way troubel.THEn Geese gives out the oder to kill Jeff Bogard.
So thats means Takuma can't have killed Jeff Bogard.Because in AOF2 he is a good guy.
If I remeber right Takuma know Jeff Bogard becuase thy were rivals and friends (Like Joe to the Bogard Brohters).
But if finish AOF2 and beat Geese you will see thats Takuma have not killed Jeff.

And about thats by Fatal Fury Wild Ambition
It is right thats you can get Mr.Karate on the PS version.But thats not Takuma!Thats is Ryo as much as I can see it.
 

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Yeah Ive seen this ending. If Art of fighting 2 takes place around the time jeff bogard is becoming the thorn in the side of a young Geese.
Then this must mean that art of fighting characeters like yuri,Ryo, and Robert are at least 10-15 years older than Terry and Andy bogard since Jeff is killed when terry and andy are still kids.
I never thought of Yuri being old enough to be Terrys mother.............
 

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RichardDark:
As much as I know Jeff died after AOF2.If you beat Geese(so if you enter the secret stage) in AOF2.In the ending Ripper or hopper infornm Geese thats Jeff Bogard makes his syndicat in some way troubel.THEn Geese gives out the oder to kill Jeff Bogard.
So thats means Takuma can't have killed Jeff Bogard.Because in AOF2 he is a good guy.
If I remeber right Takuma know Jeff Bogard becuase thy were rivals and friends (Like Joe to the Bogard Brohters).
But if finish AOF2 and beat Geese you will see thats Takuma have not killed Jeff.

And about thats by Fatal Fury Wild Ambition
It is right thats you can get Mr.Karate on the PS version.But thats not Takuma!Thats is Ryo as much as I can see it.
Your info about the general story around AoF2 is the same that I have, that's why I couldn't believe it. On the other hand, Takuma's past lies in shadows for me. Everytime I browse the 'net for some more info, I stumble across dozens of fanfics, which leads to even more confusion as most of them don't give a damn about correct timelines and stuff like that. Heh, some of them are really hilarious...

Anyway, I didn't know that there's a secret char at all in FF:WA on PSX until last month, but I always heard ppl referring to a "Mr. Karate", and for me, Takuma is Mr. Karate, but if it's Ryo, well, guess I will have to spend a few more hours with the game then... I mean, uhm... yeah, Ryo was in FFS, so it's only logical that he makes a 2nd appearance.... Tak, where's your brain... :D
 

RichardDark

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Thats wiht Takumas past is true.But it is by the most char. of AOF if you look.Do never get much info about Mr.Big like whats is his real name how he meet geese and and and.Thats a sad point on AOF history :( don't get me wrong I love AOF it is a great series.But it is a fact thats you don't get much storylines about the char there.

I would be cool if they had make a game thats is in the past,no KOF or so.More like one vs one
The past heroes if you wanna call it thats way all chars young like Terry Kyo and the rest of the KOF crew now Imagen thats :D
Chars.
Jeff Bogard
Takuma Sakazaki
Geese Howard
Mr. Big
Tung Fu Ru
Wolfgang Krauser
Richard Meyer
Raiden
and ohters as well

If they ever had make thats game Iam sure it would rock as hell buttrock
and it would make more clear in the storylines as well.
 

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Here's vgmuseum.com's presentation of the SNES ending of Ryuuko no Ken / Art of Fighting:
<a href="http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/snes/a/artfight.htm" target="_blank">LINK</a>
Nintendo of America made a number of changes in their translation of the original Super Famicom ending text, in order to soften it up a bit so as not to tarnish the kid-friendly image they'd been promoting to their user-base's parents. In the SF version, the man who killed (not "defeated") Takuma's wife, Ronette (I think this spelling is probably more correct), is not referred to as a "criminal." The Japanese text refers to this person with the word "yatsu" (an informal term for "person," somewhat similar to the casual use of the word "guy" in English). Further, the Japanese version describes this individual as the one who "accidentally caused her death." Not, therefore, an intentional act of murder, but enough to cause Takuma to abandon his children in order to dedicate himself to searching out and punishing this person. Also, the SNES uses of the word "defeat" in reference to Jeff Bogard seem to be intentional mistranslations -- the Japanese version uses the word "shimatsu," meaning "to dispose of."

While the idea itself is kinda cool (while Ryo and Robert race around Southtown tracking down the kidnapped Yuri, Takuma is in another part of the city killing Jeff Bogard against his will), it flies in the face of the ending sequences from AoF2, as has been previously pointed out in this thread. It also fails to jive with the chronology of the AoF and FF events (AoF and AoF2 are supposed to take place in 1978 and 1979, while FF is set in 1991 with Jeff's death set 10 years earlier, in 1981). According to Denpa Shinbunsha's "All About Series Vol. 4: All About Ryuuko no Ken 2," due to the discrepancies between the SNES AoF Ending and the storyline of AoF2, the events depicted in the SNES Ending are recognized as an "Original Story" that applies only to the SNES version of the game -- it has no bearing on the proper storyline of the AoF series, as depicted in the original NEO-GEO versions of the games. The official version of things is: Geese killed Jeff.

Fatal Fury Wild Ambition is supposed to be a retelling of the story told in Garou Densetsu / Fatal Fury. The Mr. Karate of this game is indeed Ryo Sakazaki, having taken on his father's old alias as he makes his move to take Geese Howard down once and for all -- and finally appearing alongside the Bogard brothers with the appropriate difference in age (Bogards in their very early 20s, Ryo in his mid-30s).

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I always liked the ideas presented in the SNES AoF Ending. It made sense that Geese would use another powerful martial artist to do his dirty work, keeping Geese's hands clean socially/legally and eliminating the concern of defeat at Jeff's hands (which was certainly a danger, based on Geese's recognition of the threat Jeff posed). It also would have allowed for the creation of an interesting dynamic between the Bogard brothers and the Sakazaki family -- yes, Ryo's father killed Terry's father, but only to protect the life of his daughter, Yuri. It could have been a source of some marvelous tension between the two families -- and certainly would've been a better plotline for the AoF anime TV special than the smeg they ended up using for that stinker of a film. I just wish that SNK had made the KOF versions of the AoF cast 15 years older than they did -- just to preserve the age difference between them and the FF characters.

--Chris
 

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- The problem about that last post is the retarded KOF storyline that present in the same timeline the Sakazakis and the Bogarts and don´t care about the past... of current time of the AOF storyline (early 80) to the FF storyline,who Takuma really weakened Jeff Bogart or fight him in that timeline, I probably that Takuma in the storyline is less powerfuland younger in the KOF time when fight Jeff that in the FF-only timeline or a least Jeff is more powerful, it´s probably that these three, recognized martial artists have a previous rivaly before the SNK cronologaly events.
 
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