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PrOzErG

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I'd like to focus everyone's attention on this article: <a href="http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/2764054.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/2764054.htm</a>
...not necessarily to put attention on Intel; Microsoft is joining Intel, and I hope the rest of the companies in the computing industry follow suit by speaking out against this travesty of congressional legislation.

Specifically, I'm talking about the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). This, my friends, is far worse than the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA). It is yet another piece of legislation, supported by the likes of Disney and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), that supercedes decades of Supreme Court precedence regarding private fair-use laws and places the power in the hands of media and entertainment conglomerates.

Most of my greviences I'm addressing here are related to my position as a soon-to-be researcher and graduate student in Computer Science/Computer Architecture. But by no means will the SSSCA just affect scientists. The SSSCA mandates that any digital device, hardware or software, must utilize and recognize certified security technologies. This means every piece of software; every PC; every video card, hard drive, CPU, motherboard, etc; every PDA, every DVD-player and every digital movie media; every CD player & audio CD; absolutely every consumer and enterprise digital device. The use or sale of any non-SSSCA certified device leads to civil penalties up to federal felonies.

The SSSCA, among other things, will make the following illegal:
* Assembling a home-built PC.
* Using a non-secure computer (ie, a computer built before the would-be implementation of the SSSCA) on a network.
* Widespread development of open-sourced (non-copyrighted and “digitally unsigned? software.
* Use of open-sourced software (essentially the entire software platform for the UNIX and Linux operating systems, on which Computer Science research relies).
* University and corporate research on systems, debugging, security, and watermarking.

This bill would take the United States out of the position of leadership in Computer Science and Engineering, on which the multi-billion dollar PC, software, semiconductor, and computer chip industries rely. I can't even imagine the extent that this bill will hurt our relations with foreign computing companies, as well as high-tech imports and exports.

I have never been one to indulge in “conspiracy theories?or corporate hatred, but I cannot believe how many Constitutional freedoms the SSSCA would take away from the US citizens and place into the hands of the media corporations.

Yes, there is a need for security in the digital medium, but as has been shown time and time again, the computing industry will take care of itself in the implementation. There is no need to legislate this action, and do so in such a draconian manner that its implication decimates the way the computing industry operates. The entertainment industry wants to neuter the computing industry, turning powerful, general-purpose computers into expensive movie playing terminals.

I wrote letters to my Congressional representative and Senators yesterday regarding this issue, I implore all of you to do the same (write or type letters, don't send email). Tell everyone you know who is remotely interested in anything technological about this, and ask them to do the same.

FUCK SSSCA!!!! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

Also, sign This petition to block this horrid act: <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?SSSCA" target="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?SSSCA</a>

[ March 05, 2002: Message edited by: PrOzErG ]</p>
 

Chairman Kaga

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Assembling a home-built PC illegal? <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> This is completely rediculous, I doubt this bill will pass. I will definitely write a few letters on this one...

Thanks for the info
 

Mystery

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:eek: :eek: :eek:
What the...??
If this would ever become reality I guess the whole computer industry will be fucked up sooner or later...worldwide!

But I think (hope) that the chance of this bill becoming law is more than doubtful!
I mean...even upgrading your computer would be illegal then...all this would cause the computer industry to crash.

Aww man....I wish we were still in the days of the good old C64 :(

And you can bet on that: The effects of this bill wouldn't be limited to the US only!

This is just INSANE! Big brother will be <img src="graemlins/eye.gif" border="0" alt="[Eye]" /> ing you...more than ever! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />
 

KaiphaN

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that sucks! :mad:

so much for going to your favorite computer store and buying a hard drive .

(doubt this bill will pass though)
 

NeoLord

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Communism at its finest. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> They're slowly trying to take our freedoms away, one by
one. <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />
 

Jmet

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If this were to come into affect i can see myself using my current pc for years to come. :)
 

Orpheus

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ah yes. thats why we have our very first computer at home now (I like to refer to it as the "taupe collered box from hell") which we recieved for christmas and cost a pretty penny and ITS STILL NOT EVEN HOOKED UP <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />
I HATE computers. and i have A feeling i always will.
 

Takumaji

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The European Union came up with a new piece of legislation, called the "EU cybercrime treaty". It's not as far-reaching as the SSSCA's insane ideas, but it also criminalizes legit developers of open-source security applications, like network/vulnerability scanners and certain techniques which are used by both the good guys and the black hats.

I always wondered why and how this EU cybercrime thingy came outta nowhere, but now, given the infos about the SSSCA, it all falls into place; Microsoft and the like want to disrupt and undermine the open source community (read: Linux) to a) prevent their own moronic design and programming flaws (which lead to heavily insecure servers/workstations) from being publisized, e. g. by coding a proof-of-concept tool that shows certain weaknesses in MS apps (like the countless vulns in IIS/MS Exchange/Outlook), and b), to create new markets for their monopolistic shit, not by creating better products, but by illegalizing certain practises which they think affect their gross product.

Yet another reason why I personally NEVER EVER support MS, Intel and others. Ppl always whine that it simply isn't possible to avoid MS apps, but - to tell you the truth - it's a piece of cake. You just have to WANT it. Linux, StarOffice, a decent X installation with KDE, Mozilla, and a shitload of great open-source tools, and you're set to go...

What's more, there are some more not-so-well-known ideas floating around, and some of them have already been implemented, for instance the ominous "handover interfaces" in the server farms of big providers. These interfaces are meant as a medium for *unrestricted gouvernmental access* to *any* information "they" wish to lay their hands on. Most bigger providers have to implement these interfaces, if they don't they get sued immediately, or get taken offline.

So - DMCA and SSSCA in the US, EU cybercrime (including several national addenda) in Europe... this is WORSE than "Big Brother is watching you", I tell ya.

And, of course, the NSA and other spooks like weak encryption, cutting of privacy and other attacks against civil rights... like the German BND/MAD, the Israeli Mossad, the American CIA...etc...

Mystery, in the good old 8-bit days some of us already had modems, and as soon as we began to visit BBSs, the problem began - they watched us back in 1985, and they still keep on watching us in 2k2...
 

christopher belmondo

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Originally posted by NeoLord:
<strong>Communism at its finest. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> They're slowly trying to take our freedoms away, one by
one. <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

...yes...slowly but sure...one by one !!!
 

Mystery

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Takumaji: Sure...these days weren't THE days. There was quite alot of trouble back then when it was illegal to use those super-fast and extremely expensive 9.600 BPS Modems from the USA.
I've always got different feelings when I look at my 300Bps acoustic modem for the C64. *sigh* (it still works *g*)
What I tried to express with the "good old times" was that you'd never have expected to become a criminal for buying an upgrade for your system.
But also things that we got used to today would've been bizarre nightmares in former times.
Remember Clifford Stolls "Cuckoo's Egg"?
Anonymity, privacy, security...everything had changed alot within the years.
Differing between the "good-guys" and the "bad-guys" has become quite complicated.
In a time where scientific progress is expanding and things become obsolete so fast a law that stops you from keeping up with this progress is really absurd. Or could you imagine yourself buying a new whole system every few months because AMD has been coming up with their latest 3Ghz CPU? Of course not!
The sell rates of computer hardware would be equal to zero, because no one is allowed to buy them and almost nobody has the money to buy a new system twice a year.
But another thing everybody should keep an eye on is the dangerous development of taking away people's freedom (sounds a bit exaggerated, eh?) occuring with Microsofts WindowsXP and their plans they had with it. Re-registering for every new compound in your machine? Each of your online activity being logged, monitored and watched automatically? All information about your harddisk's data being sent directly to Microsoft (as the new Media Player is theoretically capable of)?
There's really a lot to worry and concern about, guys...but things go wicked ways these days and you don't know what the big bosses will come up next with. Better hope that it won't be worse than their previous installment of new security increasing and crime lowering improvements (watch out for irony here *g*).
Finally you can just imagine if these theories will ever become reality and if they do...how they'll affect the future. But one thing is sure...if laws like the SSSCA will be passed...nothing will be the same. And this is neither meant ironic, nor it is meant positive in any way.
Somehow I get the feeling that we have to look for alternatives quickly. As Takumaji already said, there are plenty of them available....but for how long? :(
 

Atariguy

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"Those people willing to to give up liberty for security deserve neither."

Does anyone else think this would just have the same results as prohibition?
 
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Caris Nautilus

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Originally posted by PrOzErG:
<strong>I'd like to focus everyone's attention on this article: <a href="http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/2764054.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/2764054.htm</a>
...not necessarily to put attention on Intel; Microsoft is joining Intel, and I hope the rest of the companies in the computing industry follow suit by speaking out against this travesty of congressional legislation.

Specifically, I'm talking about the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). This, my friends, is far worse than the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA). It is yet another piece of legislation, supported by the likes of Disney and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), that supercedes decades of Supreme Court precedence regarding private fair-use laws and places the power in the hands of media and entertainment conglomerates.

Most of my greviences I'm addressing here are related to my position as a soon-to-be researcher and graduate student in Computer Science/Computer Architecture. But by no means will the SSSCA just affect scientists. The SSSCA mandates that any digital device, hardware or software, must utilize and recognize certified security technologies. This means every piece of software; every PC; every video card, hard drive, CPU, motherboard, etc; every PDA, every DVD-player and every digital movie media; every CD player & audio CD; absolutely every consumer and enterprise digital device. The use or sale of any non-SSSCA certified device leads to civil penalties up to federal felonies.

The SSSCA, among other things, will make the following illegal:
* Assembling a home-built PC.
* Using a non-secure computer (ie, a computer built before the would-be implementation of the SSSCA) on a network.
* Widespread development of open-sourced (non-copyrighted and “digitally unsigned? software.
* Use of open-sourced software (essentially the entire software platform for the UNIX and Linux operating systems, on which Computer Science research relies).
* University and corporate research on systems, debugging, security, and watermarking.

This bill would take the United States out of the position of leadership in Computer Science and Engineering, on which the multi-billion dollar PC, software, semiconductor, and computer chip industries rely. I can't even imagine the extent that this bill will hurt our relations with foreign computing companies, as well as high-tech imports and exports.

I have never been one to indulge in “conspiracy theories?or corporate hatred, but I cannot believe how many Constitutional freedoms the SSSCA would take away from the US citizens and place into the hands of the media corporations.

Yes, there is a need for security in the digital medium, but as has been shown time and time again, the computing industry will take care of itself in the implementation. There is no need to legislate this action, and do so in such a draconian manner that its implication decimates the way the computing industry operates. The entertainment industry wants to neuter the computing industry, turning powerful, general-purpose computers into expensive movie playing terminals.

I wrote letters to my Congressional representative and Senators yesterday regarding this issue, I implore all of you to do the same (write or type letters, don't send email). Tell everyone you know who is remotely interested in anything technological about this, and ask them to do the same.

FUCK SSSCA!!!! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

Also, sign This petition to block this horrid act: <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?SSSCA" target="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?SSSCA</a>

[ March 05, 2002: Message edited by: PrOzErG ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Hehe, damn prozerg how many people in your house use this account to post? We have the witless spammer persona who likes to copy and paste how to guides and pass them as his own, the a bit more smarter but not by much persona who trys to clean up for the witless wonder, and then this new post sounds like a different person.
 

Deyer

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Big Brother is watching now he'll be spying on you from your toaster. <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />
 

Takumaji

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Originally posted by Mystery:
<strong>Takumaji: Sure...these days weren't THE days. There was quite alot of trouble back then when it was illegal to use those super-fast and extremely expensive 9.600 BPS Modems from the USA. [...] </strong><hr></blockquote>

US Robotics HST 14.4... $900, 'nuff said! :) Aw man, my kingdom for a time machine.

[*THIS TRANSMISSION IS BEING RECORDED*]
 

Late

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Originally posted by NeoLord:
<strong>Communism at its finest. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> They're slowly trying to take our freedoms away, one by
one. <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

...Not communism, fascism is more like it. No small wonder though, when your countrys´ head of the ministry of Justice tells in public how he considers the keeping of housecats as a sign of the devil. Still...you guys elected`em now you have to bear with em...Bush administration...what a joke! :D
 

MDK

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Fucking bastards. Even though I live in Canada, this is an outrage and just another attempt to annihilate the right of privacy for everyone in the country.

Fuck SSSCA!!!
 

voodoodoctorx

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all i got to say is HELL NO!!!!!!!!!
that is the most F*cked up thing i have ever heard. you can bet i signed that petition, and i will be writing a few letters. <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />
 

Wolferaizer

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whoah thats insane! now u better get out from that country on move to da 3rd world.
 
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