PDA

View Full Version : Playmore - Now selling snap lock cases!



Makismo
07-24-2002, 02:23 PM
Did your heart skip a beat when you read that? This can become a reality if you want it badly enough. Many of us want it, we just haven't got the balls to do it. Or do we? NGF sells inserts and Big Bear sells shock boxes. Since I cannot get the originals, I must resort to going to a 3rd party as many of you have as well. How many times have you gotten a game in the mail and the insert and box were both damaged? You would want another one, now wouldn't you.

As you all know, SNK would sell replacement boxes, inserts, and instruction manuals at generous prices. They are gone but many of the people who were at SNK are now at Playmore. If they want to charge $15 for a snap-lock case then that is fine. I am sure that many of you have tried to get one on ebay. They go for what, $40? I bet some of you have bought a Fatal Fury 3 just to get it's box to put your prised Last Blade 2 in. This shouldn't happen.

We must take a stand and demand that Playmore will sell us these boxes, inserts, and instruction manuals. I have sent them an email requesting these and so have a few others. If we send enough emails and keep the pressure up it will happen. If you can type posts on this page, then you damn well can send them an email. Here is their email address: info@playmore.co.jp
If you enjoy looking at your crapped out box then fine but for the rest of us we want and need these boxes. We are their supports and they need us, the consumer. Without us they would be nothing and they know it. So who stands with me?

Bluevoodu
07-24-2002, 02:27 PM
don't demand...... petition... don't demand

playboycougar
07-24-2002, 02:27 PM
All right I'll write them a lengthy e-mail.....

Makismo
07-24-2002, 02:41 PM
Let's bring it together! We will email and petition them. We must let them know what we want and our needs. If we ban together then we can accomplish our goals. :)

playboycougar
07-24-2002, 02:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Let's bring it together! We will email and petition them. We must let them know what we want and our needs. If we ban together then we can accomplish our goals. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>
Thank you Mr. Motivation :rolleyes:

VanillaThunder
07-24-2002, 02:49 PM
Is that you Tony Robbins?


(lol.. it is a good idea, though)

Makismo
07-24-2002, 02:50 PM
You're welcome PBC! With my motivational skills and charisma, I will make this happen. Don't you want this to happen? It must happen because I said so. If I decide something is going to happen, then it is going to happen. And you can take that to the bank. :)

[ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: Makismo ]</p>

Daisuke Jigen
07-24-2002, 03:03 PM
Come to chat.

Makismo
07-24-2002, 04:34 PM
Don't you want these? Perhaps you are happy paying $40 for a box on ebay...if you can even find one. :(

X
07-24-2002, 04:37 PM
Wow thats one damn good idea. Where do I sign <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" /> . I wouild really like to replace one of my cases.

Bluevoodu
07-24-2002, 04:37 PM
you would end up paying $40.00 per box new... lol.

†B†V†

Makismo
07-24-2002, 04:40 PM
I don't know how to start up a petition but if someone knows how to do it then please start one up. But right now you can email Playmore at:

info@playmore.co.jp

Makismo
07-24-2002, 04:49 PM
Maybe Shawn can put a word in for us. I am sure that we can do this. :)

supergoose
07-24-2002, 04:58 PM
i've no single snap lock cased game but i think it's a quite good idea.
just have a look at the neo store :

http://www.neostore.com/store/blackbook/goal-dmg.jpg

Bluevoodu
07-24-2002, 05:00 PM
what the heck happened to that case??


†B†V†

Makismo
07-24-2002, 05:03 PM
Shawn wants $235 for that game. It got busted in the mail. He will never sell it in that condition and at that price. If he had a better box, it very well might sell. This is yet another reason why we need these boxes. The mail service has probably destroyed hundreds of these boxes all over the world. We need more to supply the ever growing demand. <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" />

[ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: Makismo ]</p>

Shawn
07-24-2002, 05:05 PM
This request has been brought up before and answered before.

The only component that bootleggers are currently unable to reproduce is the new style case. They can print similar inserts, manuals, cart stickers, and even reproduce an old style case, but the new style case is what prevents AES bootlegs from going mainstream.

If these new style cases were readily available on the secondary market, this would only put a damper on the primary AES market. Besides, the Neo Store is already sitting on a thousand new style cases and they are currently being offered with new English release home cartridges.

Makismo
07-24-2002, 05:07 PM
Maybe so, but we want these cases for games that were damaged in the mail or by human error.

Bluevoodu
07-24-2002, 05:08 PM
but doesn't playmore send you cases with your games you order?

Makismo
07-24-2002, 05:13 PM
Sure they send Shawn cases. I think he should ask for about 300 hundred blank ones so we can replace our damaged boxes. Perhaps he doesn't trust us and thinks that we are going to use them for bootlegs. How about Big Bear? He sells cases that can be used both ways. They are really only supposed to be used for MVS but I use them for AES games as well. Maybe I could use those cases and make inserts and start my own bootleg factory but using larger inserts. The cases are not going to stop the bootlegers. Evil will always happen but why ruin it for the rest of us who are honest Neo Geo gamers? Think about it. Money is out there to be made. With or without Playmore's support, this is going to happen.

rarehero
07-24-2002, 05:15 PM
i hate you more and more day by day.
you are a moron.
why dont you get snap locks from your buddies at ngfusa.
smell ya later.

Bluevoodu
07-24-2002, 05:15 PM
I agree... I do not believe at all that people cannot forge these cases.
If they can forge a chip... they can mold plastic to look the same......

†B†V†

Makismo
07-24-2002, 05:28 PM
Rarehero you are utterly useless. Why don't you do something useful for once and take a stand or are you going to just sit there and blow shit out of your nose? People, why are you just going to sit there? Don't you even care at all? Don't be a bunch of little babies hoping for what moma gives you, stand up for what you want.

Tarma
07-24-2002, 05:34 PM
A good idea with one problem.

Playmore is currently using up SNK stock. Playmore, as far as I am aware, have not produced any new batches of cases since taking over SNK. As soon as these supplys dry up, they may produce more or they may provide something completely different.

Until new batches are produced it's unlikely Playmore will release stock as they need the cases for new releases.

I suppose Shawn could always sell MS 3 US without the cart, insert and manual... ;)

BIG BEAR
07-24-2002, 07:20 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Sure they send Shawn cases. I think he should ask for about 300 hundred blank ones so we can replace our damaged boxes. Perhaps he doesn't trust us and thinks that we are going to use them for bootlegs. How about Big Bear? He sells cases that can be used both ways. They are really only supposed to be used for MVS but I use them for AES games as well. Maybe I could use those cases and make inserts and start my own bootleg factory but using larger inserts. The cases are not going to stop the bootlegers. Evil will always happen but why ruin it for the rest of us who are honest Neo Geo gamers? Think about it. Money is out there to be made. With or without Playmore's support, this is going to happen.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Nah.. There is no way in hell my cases and games can pass as "THE REAL DEAL" and those were my intentions for coming out with a RED and WHITE case.. I wanted to have something crerated that would compliment Neo Geo MVS games..Not support BOOTLEGGING.
The repro of SHOCK Inserts are usually different in design by the creator and if you choose to use an original insert YOU MUST RESIZE the insert to cover the whole face of the case.
Playmore will NEVER agree to producing cases and documentation because it would be DEFEATING their purpose of SELLING the games... They would be supplying BOOTLEGGERS with the MEANS to compete against them AND this WILL NOT HAPPEN.

-BB

Makismo
07-24-2002, 09:42 PM
Bootlegs, Bootlegs, Bootlegs Ė Playmore says. What a bunch of hot air and you are all taking it in. As you all know, SNK sold inserts, manuals, and boxes long before Playmore was around. Do you see hundreds of bootlegged Viwpoint, Pulstars, or King of Fighters laying around? You could say, ďSure I do.Ē But you would be wrong if you were talking about the AES. In truth, the bootlegs are coming from the MVS category. If what I am proposing would cause large scale bootlegging, then why didnít it happen before when SNK was still selling these items? I donít see too many people crying about their bootlegged AES games. Conversions you might say are bootlegs. They are made from official SNK parts. Thus they are legit. Many people cannot afford the ďRealĒ cartridges because SNK failed to produce a supply that would fill the demand. That is why we see Metal Slug going for $2,100 on eBay. People who canít afford these overpriced games want the conversions. SNK/Playmore arenít losing out because they have already sold these games and are not making any profit on them anyway. Why should it matter if we want replacement art for these titles? What we are all of a sudden going to start a bootleg plant? It is a Hell of a lot cheaper to make a box than to produce the carts. In Korea they are producing these games and the fact that Playmore doesnít provide them with the molds to make game boxes hasnít stopped them at all. Mexico sells bootleg MVS games by the tons. !Arcade! has the ability to make boards for their conversions, making game boxes is surely much easier and cheaper for them. NGF has the ability to make stickers and inserts. The plastic and molding of the carts and boxes isnít that hard to reproduce. If the bootleggers want to make the games, then there will be no way to stop them. So this talk about Playmore putting an end to bootlegging by not selling us game boxes is hogwash and I am surprised that you all fell for that blatant lie. The truth is that they want to do things their way and donít want to listen to anyone outside their fold. If they burn themselves in the process then so be it.

Daisuke Jigen
07-25-2002, 03:02 AM
Why do you keep saying it would be easy and inexpensive to make new cases?

Daisuke Jigen
07-25-2002, 06:22 AM
Makismo
aspiring NeoGeoFreak
Member # 423
Rate Member
posted July 24, 2002 08:42 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sooo, it will take $30,000 to make these cases - 1,000 of them, ehh. That is something that we can take a shot at. We could sell them for $15 each and I am sure that they would sell. After all, they go for $40 apiece on ebay. Is anyone with me?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

At that rate, you would have to sell them at 30.00 to break even.

Caris Nautilus
07-25-2002, 07:08 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Shawn:
<strong>This request has been brought up before and answered before.

The only component that bootleggers are currently unable to reproduce is the new style case. They can print similar inserts, manuals, cart stickers, and even reproduce an old style case, but the new style case is what prevents AES bootlegs from going mainstream.

If these new style cases were readily available on the secondary market, this would only put a damper on the primary AES market. Besides, the Neo Store is already sitting on a thousand new style cases and they are currently being offered with new English release home cartridges.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That really has nothing to do with bootlegs. The only AES carts that are bootlegged are RARE carts, that someone can make money off of, no ones gonna bootleg a cart unless it's worth a lot of money, since you still have to take into account expenses for making it, and all someone has to do for a snap lock case is buy a cheap cart and chuck the rest.

If their going thru the trouble of making a Metal Slug US bootleg to sell (Kyokugen Star), they are going to get a case easily, if they are readily available to buy, or if they have to spend 50 bucks on a FF3 cart, they are going to make more than that 50 back ripping off a sucker when they find one.

If you're US carts aren't selling (and it looks that way) maybe you'd make some of your investment back by just selling the cases? Since I don't even think dropping them all to 99 dollars would sell a title like Sengoku 3 out...

Think of Neo Cases like Jewel Cases, if you couldn't buy Jewel Cases at the store, would that stop bootleggers? No way.

Piracy is much more rampant with MVS games, homecart boots are to expensive to produce, unless it's a rare title they can make a lot of money back on. No ones going to spend a 100 dollars making a Samurai 3 bootleg when you can buy the real one for less than that.

BTW I'm not talking about Mass Quantity bootleggers, there aren't many people who have the facility's to mass produce homecarts, except that !Arcade! asshole in Canada, and I really doubt he has any sort of permission from NeoGeo USA to be doing that. The guy should be SHUT DOWN, if Dion can get an email threatning legal action against him, this guy should be in court right now with Playmores lawyers for international copyright infringment.

I guess if certain people can try and rat on Dion, who managed to show proof he does infact own the rights to the games he's selling (even if he's a scammer), then the rest of us can do the same thing to !Arcade!, who BLATANTLY sells bootlegged carts, with no permission from SNK/Playmore, and Shawn you even SELL those at you're store, does Playmore know about this?

I think it's time for someone to make a phone call.

[ July 25, 2002: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]</p>

rarehero
07-25-2002, 09:31 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Rarehero you are utterly useless. </strong><hr></blockquote>

as useless as you?
playmore has been approached by me and other
people that want these.
i asked too fool.
why dont you have dion ask too since he has so much pull.
i m sure an aspiring NEOGEO Freak like yourself
has better things to do.
why dont you go to work.
that way you can buy a new game
and switch out the cases.
o....
whoops. strike that.
maybe dion can toss you a job that gives more than
5 hours freaking carts.
smell ya later.

Makismo
07-25-2002, 11:45 AM
rarehero, you say that you tried to make a difference but to what extant did you try to accomplish your goal? Did you start a petition or invest into making these snap lock cases without the SNK logo on them? You need to either put up or shut up. I have put up and am looking for supports. The question here is, are you up to the challenge?

Daisuke Jigen
07-25-2002, 11:52 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>rarehero, you say that you tried to make a difference but to what extant did you try to accomplish your goal? Did you start a petition or invest into making these snap lock cases without the SNK logo on them? You need to either put up or shut up. I have put up and am looking for supports. The question here is, are you up to the challenge?</strong><hr></blockquote>

By your formula above, cases would have to be sold for 30.00 to break even. Its not much of a price difference now.

&lt;Makismo&gt; I would sell Rage of the Dragons for $275.
&lt;Jigen&gt; it costs him more per unit to buy them.
&lt;Makismo&gt; I should run things.
&lt;Jigen&gt; you want him to sell them at a loss?
&lt;Makismo&gt; I know what's up.
&lt;kittyloaf_judgement&gt; lol, buy him out
&lt;Makismo&gt; Playmore charges too much, everyone knows that.
&lt;Jigen&gt; You are as dumb as a motherfucking fence post.
&lt;Makismo&gt; They should make a new system with smaller cartridges.
&lt;Makismo&gt; Fuck off
&lt;Makismo&gt; You know I am right.

Makismo
07-25-2002, 12:08 PM
By your formual they would be $30. Not a big price difference? Yeah, if you could find them. Here is my formula:

It doesn't cost that much to make them. You need to read between the lines pal. It would cost around $10,000 for the mold and a few of bucks apiece to make the boxes in large volume. I think that we could make 1,000 boxes for between $5,000 and $6,000. The whole thing would not exceed $20,000. Then you sell them for $15 and make a good profit. It really isn't that hard to do if you have the capital.

Daisuke Jigen
07-25-2002, 12:14 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>By your formual they would be $30. Not a big price difference? Yeah, if you could find them. Here is my formula:

It doesn't cost that much to make them. You need to read between the lines pal. It would cost around $10,000 for the mold and a few of bucks apiece to make the boxes in large volume. I think that we could make 1,000 boxes for between $5,000 and $6,000. The whole thing would not exceed $20,000. Then you sell them for $15 and make a good profit. It really isn't that hard to do if you have the capital.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're shouting at the wind dude....

rarehero
07-25-2002, 12:23 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>rarehero, you say that you tried to make a difference but to what extant did you try to accomplish your goal? Did you start a petition or invest into making these snap lock cases without the SNK logo on them? You need to either put up or shut up. I have put up and am looking for supports. The question here is, are you up to the challenge?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i m happy with shawns reply.
i wouldnt want bootlegs of games floating around.
if you wanna gripe and whine about snaplocks
then buy it off others.
if not.
quit your bitching.
you can find the shit.
you just have to look.
why do you still post here anyways?
dont you go to ngf.com or some shit?
or did they black ball you there too?
hah.

Bluevoodu
07-25-2002, 01:07 PM
[quote]At that rate, you would have to sell them at 30.00 to break even.<hr></blockquote>

bud... you forgot how expensive shipping is from Japan. 30 cases from Japan would around $100.00 shipping.... no kidding.

†B†V†

$hockwave
07-25-2002, 01:21 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Makismo:
[QB]Bootlegs, Bootlegs, Bootlegs – Playmore says. What a bunch of hot air and you are all taking it in. As you all know, SNK sold inserts, manuals, and boxes long before Playmore was around. Do you see hundreds of bootlegged Viwpoint, Pulstars, or King of Fighters laying around? You could say, “Sure I do.” But you would be wrong if you were talking about the AES. In truth, the bootlegs are coming from the MVS category. If what I am proposing would cause large scale bootlegging, then why didn’t it happen before when SNK was still selling these items? I don’t see too many people crying about their bootlegged AES games. Conversions you might say are bootlegs. They are made from official SNK parts. Thus they are legit. Many people cannot afford the “Real” cartridges because SNK failed to produce a supply that would fill the demand. That is why we see Metal Slug going for $2,100 on eBay.


that is why arcade realesed the arcade converter so you do not have to convert a mvs game to aes format.

$hockwave
07-25-2002, 01:26 PM
i hate to say it but if playmore is not making any money on the aes versions of neo games compared to the mvs versions.and they are using snk's old stock of snap lock cases when the stock runs out they may not realese any new aes titles.but i do not think that would be a good idea for playmore since the majority of the people of these boards play aes games.

Bluevoodu
07-25-2002, 02:14 PM
they have to be making someething... otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

The place employs some people... bonus #1
The execs make some decent money #2
They probably do other manufacturing of game stuff other than the neo geo :)

they are definitely making something out of this...

†B†V†

Makismo
07-25-2002, 02:30 PM
I seriously don't think Playmore pays as much as you think for these items. They don't just do stuff to "just" make their money back. All companies do things to gain a profit. If there was no profit in the Neo Geo, then they wouldn't do it. Do you think that there is no profit in the Metal Slug series? Then why would they make 5 slugs? They would have to be making money. If SNK can sell these boxes then Playmore can to. :)