Compilied Logs from Chat with Nikke Tonight. (Part 3)

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2 1/2 Hours working on this last piece.

This of course is my final piece from the logs with Ray & Nikke. Please note that the conversation continued on a bit after they left but, I didn't add those to this section.

If anyone would like the rough draft log of this chat session, Please leave me a private message with an email attached and I will foward it to you. Now I can finally get some rest & go back to playing my Neo. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Thanks to everyone who has replied so far.

(Phantom1)Now lets move onto the reproduction issue

There has been a lot of talk as of late with regards to older rare games being reproduced At this time we're going to focus on unreleased games such as Ganryu and Pi2. Ganryu is our next release and is currently 50% finished.

Go ahead Nikke.

(Nikke)I just wanted to let you know that the insident with Corona was just one of many scams people has pulled with us. I have been ripped off so many times I have lost track of the occasions. People do not want to pay.

Perhaps it is because I am selling from Japan

Nothing can be done & it's sad.

I just want to say that I have been dealing with Ray for a longer time now and he has been an excellent partner.

I trust him.

He took the initiative with placing a $4000 order six months ago.
He just put the money on our account. He knew nothing about us.

And I rather be dealing with one I trust then risking something as this again.

I am tired.

Everybody whining & asking me not to leave and the and next moment I get a knife in my back.

*s2112d asks Nikke you had great prices, Will !arcade! sell at the same prices?

I will from now on be sending all our items to Ray

I think he is more respected then me.

*BonusKun Note: I still have a ton of respect for Nikke no matter what. It wasn't to me about who had more respect in this instance but the fact that a really nice guy got ripped off by people and ruined any chances of dealing direct with him anymore because some people had to steal from him. So Fuck You whoever you are!!*

he does not take shit

chimpmeister asks:Nikke, Will the other people who ripped you be collected from? If not, then they should be exposed.

I have several names in my head

(Phantom1)Chimp they will be in due time
(Phantom1)not yet Nikke

I want you all to know that I am not much of a computer guy

RyoGeo asks Ray, Will your prices, while still reflecting shipping costs from Japan to the US, will still be in the range we have come to expect from Nikke?

(Phantom1)I would think our prices have always been fair but yes, they will be close.


(s2112d): Asks Nikke , Would you consider only selling to previous customers that have not ripped you off? Makes it unfair to people like myself.I always pay you instantly.

(Nikke)Yes I know but I can not run a business like that. Selling to the ones you trust. That sounds like a hobby project.

(nick_th_fury):Says Nikke, I have had several good deals in the past with you. I'm sorry to hear of your losses. I sincerly hope you will find be able to correct the problems, You are an asset to the neo scene, & I just want to say Thanks.

(Nikke)Thanks Nick!

I am very sorry & I feel sad about this. I really do. Many of you guys are great. I know that. Some of you are more like friends.

I would like to add a special thanks to Thomas Klim if he is here now.

(RyoGeo): Nikke, you even GAVE me a replacement game when my case tray got munched. I hope this new mode of business works out for you. Good luck!!!

(Nikke)To tell you the truth guys, I think we will all benefit from this

(NeoTurfMasta)Nikke did the same for me. Definately the most generous seller I have ever dealt with.

(Nikke)We move the scource closer to the customers & I believe that Ray is an excellent asset for this community.

JMKurtz asks: Nikke : Once we have a "homebrew" game done, and have !Arcade! run the carts, a Jap seller would be needed... Is that something you would do or are you arcade PCB's only?

(Billkwando)Anyone who creates anything new is an asset.

(Nikke)I will be placing much more energy on the Japanese market selling !arcade! products.

(Phantom1)Jeff, your product will go wordwide.

(chimpmeister)asks: Ray, Will you be carrying the NGF Zupapa! home cart. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">*BonusKun Note: HAH as if Bryce. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">*

(Nikke)My boss is a bit stubborn

(AbyssBot)true bill

(Phantom1)<grin>

(Nikke)He is the VD of a real estate firm. We are not actually a gaming company but, He is looking for new ideas. We think that there might be a market for !Arcade! products overseas.

(Phantom1)What products would you like to see cart wise?

(AbyssBot)Mark of the Wolves, Twinkle Star Sprites, Ninja Masters & Metal Slug!!!!

(NeoTurfMasta)Iron Clad <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

(Phantom1)If we reproduce carts we would mark them as such the would not be exact. They would be gold foil stamped & or numbered.

(Billkwando)I believe reprints of neo games at reasonable prices are an excellent idea

(Phantom1)Prices could be down to the $199 to $249 range if the quantities are there, on any release, on any game.

(NeoTurfMasta)nice. I know the entire scene is buzzing for a Legend of Success Joe re-release!*BonusKun note: Whatever.....ass. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">*

(Billkwando)I wanna see neo prices drop to at least no more than the price of a new car so that collectors can choose to pay $1000 for MS1 but. players don't have to.

(Phantom1)We do certainly value the collectors point of view after all they have a lot of funds invested in their collections.


(Pro_Gear)asks: Has !Arcade! located any other protos of interest, like Magician lord 2 or Crossed Swords 2?

(Phantom1)We would like to try an Ironclad we have been working on but that's a tough one. We are working on acquiring a few proto's of un-released games. The person that gave us the one's on our site has an impressive collection.

(Billkwando)I don't sympathize with anyone who thinks of neo geo as an investment lol Neo is a religion*BonusKun Note: I agree 100% Dammit*

(RyoGeo) asks Would the release need to be 1000 to make that price range?

(Phantom1)Any run of carts would have to hit at least 100 -150 before that price is seen. We do however have a problem with locating new style cases.

(Billkwando)thank the ladies

(NeoTurfMasta)Have you decided on reproducing the cases?

(Phantom1)NTM, producing cases is not cost effective

(Billkwando)Injection molding is expensive.

(NeoTurfMasta)yeah, I figured. I just remembered the post on the forums.

(chimpmeister)says: Ray, I think at the $199 to $249 price range that sales would be a lot higher than they have for the $350-$400 range . . . and a lot more units would move.

(Phantom1)Hard to hit the numbers Chimp. We would love to be able to produce games for that price but we need the numbers.

(AbyssBot)chimp finally said something I agree with!!!


(nick_th_fury) says: Ray, Personally I like the old style cases. I would have no problem seeing releases using them.

(BonusKun)I would agree on this as well myself but, I also know some people like the Snaplocks so I understand that as well.

(Phantom1)Thanks Nick

(Tull_Pray)I agree, the old style cases offer a better look. The plastic used on the newer cases tend to tone down the color of the insert

(Mouse_Master) Says : Following the idea they used with Strikers is best, include both inserts, and whatever box is on hand. I thought it worked out great!

(Phantom1)Thanks MM. There are quite a few warehouses out there loaded to the tits with SNK merchandise. We just have to find them.

(chimpmeister)Asks: Ray,This may sound strange, but why not used the Big Bear MVS cases for new home cart releases?

(Phantom1)That's a great idea but would they blend with what you already have on your shelf? Old style cases are not expensive to make as they are vac formed, not injection & no die is needed. But again we need the numbers.

(Abyssbot)Injection molding is way to high. The mold alone would cost $100,000.00

(Phantom1)we can make a mold for about $25,000 Candian GA. We do have a source for old style and we know the makers of the new style.

(nick_th_fury) Asks : will you be attempting to make your own cases then. orjust using existing SNK originals?

(Phantom1)We do have a source for old style and we know the makers of the new style. We are currently trying to pry them out of Eolith

(s2112d) Asks:Ray, Would you consider revamping your website so that it has real time inventory status for ordering directly online from your site?Thanks.

(Phantom1)We will be doing that soon.

(Billkwando)Any new products coming up?

(Phantom1)Bill that's what were trying to figure out now.

(chimpmeister) Asks: Ray, Why not just contract with the current manufacturer of the new style cases for more?

(Phantom1)They won't deal with anyone outside their own circle Chimp

(AbyssBot) Ray, Will the new releases be exclusively sold by arcade or will the price jackers have the opportunity to buy in bulk?

(Phantom1)Yes GA

(AbyssBot)Yes they will or yes they won't?

(Phantom1)Yes they will.

(wolf)Asks: Now that SNK is out of business, why not try to bring shawn into this to help finance releases? I thought he stopped being associated with conversions because he was distributing official SNK games for SNK.

(Phantom1)We have enough funds and our own contacts. It's just a matter of time.

(Nikke)I just wanted to say that we will continue the selling of Sigma and PCB boards.

(Phantom1)Remember this, Any game can be done and at reasonable cost if the numbers are there. Systems can be found. There was a lot of stuff taken from SNK went they went under.

(Billkwando)Too bad too bad you cant just make boards so that you can just pop in the chips & run off any cart.

(Phantom1)our's do that now Bill

(s2112d)asks: Ray, What are your feelings about the price guide on neo-geo.com?

(Phantom1)I believe that they are more than fair. If one does not like the prices you do have options. There is always too much bullshit when it comes to who has the best price.

Shawn is a respected seller

(AbyssBot)Seller yes human no!

(Phantom1)The market is small enough as it is, but you do have options. I know for a fact he has a large investment and it's trying at times to put up with the bullshit thrown his way, we get it as well.

If everyone could calm down and step back and look at the big picture for a moment, The neo scene could be a good thing for all of us but, The bickering over who has what and at what price has to stop before that can happen. As I said you do have options.

I am sorry for the problems at the start but, Nikke and I just want to be paid.

For now tho, Thank you everyone for coming.


Of course as well Thank you for your support and cooperation. Latahs. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

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[ November 20, 2001: Message edited by: BonusKun ]
 
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It really sickens me to think that SNK couldn't market their own way out of a wet fucking paper bag, and that a small group of people can flog their shit and make a living at it.

I dunno who had the talent at SNK, but it wasn't anyone in management.

Lawrence.
 

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Finally interesting. Though a little more convoluted, I liked what I heard about what Arcade was planning, and the use of new style cases (I'm all for the new style).
 

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From what i read, it seems to me that !Arcade! is doing all the right moves to be a major contender in the Neo scene...
I really hope that Ray Young will find a way to conciliate collectors' needs (to have reproductions clearly different from originals) with gamers' expectations (great games at "low" prices).
Surely he has the big 3 "M"s:
Means, Men, Money
I hope that he will use'em for the sake of this scene <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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"I hope that he will use'em for the sake of this scene"

Regarding the above:

On that sir, you have my word.

Best regards
Ray Young
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Sounds very good. I'm with Brandi here, reproduced/converted carts should be clearly marked, then, if things turn out like planned, we will have some serious fun I'd guess! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Oh, and thanks for the hard work, Bonus.
 
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dont believe everything you hear........rule number 1
 

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Originally posted by DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL:
<STRONG>dont believe everything you hear........rule number 1</STRONG>

That rule number 2.

Rule number 1 is never talk about Fight Club. Seriously though, I'm going to have to acquire all my desired carts fast - before I can't tell what the hell is going on <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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So that means that SNK is dead in japan too cus now you can sell reproduced carts there and SNK cant do nuthin about it.
 

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Sounds really positive on what's going to be happening in the future <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

So that means that SNK is dead in japan too cus now you can sell reproduced carts there and SNK cant do nuthin about it.

So why are the negative comments already comming in? From reading the chat log, this sounds like a great boost in making sure neo geo lives on for a long time. Don't you negative people want neo geo to live on?
 

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Originally posted by BonusKun:
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(Phantom1)If we reproduce carts we would mark them as such the would not be exact. They would be gold foil stamped & or numbered.
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That squares me away. (BK, are you going to compile these on a html page for further reference? Or has !Arcade! already done it and I'm a lazy ass? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 
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