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Neo-jorge
10-15-2000, 08:11 PM
It's really alarming to see So much hate toward NGF. What's the deal with all the haters out there? Why would you guys even bother to mess with an auction? This just really shows you that you guys just resent the fact that you hate what you cant have.
I mean if you dont want KOF2k NGF style then you have the choice to not bid on it. Why would so many of you send letters To ebay to Have someones auction pulled? If you have a problem with someones product Then dont buy it. NGF no matter what offers a service to whomever Needs to have a Neo Addiction filled grant it It's expensive to those who cant afford the prices, But then again Life is the same way. Some rather drive Luxury some rather drive an escort. It's a matter of choice and no matter what no one not even NGF can take that away from U. Theres no need to hate especially among Neo-freaks. Back in the day when the collectors and neo gamers were very small The Neo community all got along so well, What happened? The sense of pride and unity seems to be gone. The bottom line is no one and I mean no one offers the type of service NGF offers.
DO TRY AND GET ALONG KIDDIES.....
" SAVE YOUR HATE FOR SONY "

Neo-jorge www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

BryLmoo
10-15-2000, 08:18 PM
If you were selling REAL AES (NOT CONVERTED) THEN WE WOULD BUY FROM YOUR LAME ASSES...I CAN'T SAY IT IN HERE BUT JUST GO TO THE WAR ROOM TO SEE WHAT I THINK ABOUT NGF....LAMERZ......

-BRYAN- AGAINST NGF

Neo-jorge
10-15-2000, 08:25 PM
Temper Temper now child.....
I have News for you converted carts are real.
" YOU NO LIKE YOU NO BUY "

Simple as that my Man........


NUFF SAID......

Neo-Jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

BryLmoo
10-15-2000, 08:37 PM
I'm not a child...I'm just against FAKE CARTS....I will talk as much as I want to about how much NGF sucks! I don't hate NGF but I don't like what they do...nor do I want anyone to do bussiness with them. I'm not a Child either...idiot...I'm freakin 28 years old...dumbass...

Bryan -AGAINST NGF-

Neo-jorge
10-15-2000, 08:52 PM
You could have easily fooled me you are 28 years old the way you rant and cry and have to resort to insulting me to try and get your point across. For the record what you want and what other people want are not one in the same. All Im mearly Stating is that if you dont like something theres no need to buy into it. No one is twisting your Arm to buy anything. Take a stand and start the anti-Neofreak-society even. Dude really Im sure you could occupy your free time doing other things than player hating. Save the cartman tantrums for your woman.

" Screw you guys Im going Home "

Neo-jorge www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

BryLmoo
10-15-2000, 08:55 PM
I'f you can get me a SS5 cart then I'll like NGF but until then screw em'!!

Bryan -AGAINST NGF-

lump505
10-15-2000, 08:59 PM
Look who it is! Neo-jorge, NGF's little bitch that writes those stupid pieces on NGF.com. Why did you come to this board? We dont want your loser ass here. Just leave!

[This message has been edited by lump505 (edited October 15, 2000).]

chimpmeister
10-15-2000, 10:00 PM
HAHAHA, two auctions DEAD, and now we get ANOTHER fake ID here . . . Dion gave up on his real name (what happened to all that shit about using your real name, Dion?), then he used that asinine "back by popular demand" ID to try to rub everyone's face in his second fake auction, now he comes back as "Neo-jorge"?

Hey Dion, I saw your information request about me to eBay, and a complaint has already been filed about it. Since I never bought anything from YOU (GOD FORBID!), nor did I ever SELL anything to you, you have NO CALL reqesting my eBay ID information, got it? If anything happens, as in harassment in any way, I'll be sure to report THAT back to eBay ALSO, and let's see how fast the lamass "dkd4" eBay ID stays around, shall we? Believe me you freak, it won't last long at all if I hear ONE FUCKING PEEP from your LAMEASS.

Just because we all shut down your dumbass fake auctions, no reason to get pissed off or anything, eh? If you want to sell your fake shit, just sell it off your WEBSITE, duh? Why don't you put little auctions up there to sell your fake KOF2K cart? EBay doesn't want that fake shit put up; third time your "ngfusa" ID (Chris Ray) gets suspended for 30 days, fourth time its GONE dude!

The bottom line, you claim to be one of the biggest "Neo Geo Freaks", but the saddest thing is that the diehard Neo fanatics CAN'T STAND YOU, and you and Chris are ALONE when it comes to this hobby. Take your fake shit, sell it to "Big Jerkoff" and "Big Jackass", and stay out of the Neo community. Do you get that you freak? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Lord Illicious
10-15-2000, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
It's really alarming to see So much hate toward NGF. What's the deal with all the haters out there? Why would you guys even bother to mess with an auction? This just really shows you that you guys just resent the fact that you hate what you cant have.
I mean if you dont want KOF2k NGF style then you have the choice to not bid on it. Why would so many of you send letters To ebay to Have someones auction pulled? If you have a problem with someones product Then dont buy it. NGF no matter what offers a service to whomever Needs to have a Neo Addiction filled grant it It's expensive to those who cant afford the prices, But then again Life is the same way. Some rather drive Luxury some rather drive an escort. It's a matter of choice and no matter what no one not even NGF can take that away from U. Theres no need to hate especially among Neo-freaks. Back in the day when the collectors and neo gamers were very small The Neo community all got along so well, What happened? The sense of pride and unity seems to be gone. The bottom line is no one and I mean no one offers the type of service NGF offers.
DO TRY AND GET ALONG KIDDIES.....
" SAVE YOUR HATE FOR SONY "

Neo-jorge www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)


Offer me a KOF2000 homecart for $1 and i still wouldnt buy it. why? Cuz i know its been converted and made to look as a official snk neo geo homecart.
First its the offers of official SNK unreleased carts, then its about Official NGF carts, now its about converted carts.
Uhg i got a headache.

Nah man too mush bullshit going on left and right.

No way it can be a "OFFICIAL" NGF cart if the SNK logo/trademarks remain in the game.

I dont think its a matter of what/who can afford a cart and many are complaining that they cant afford it cuz we can buy thoes MVSes for a way lower price but i understand about the unreleased AES carts that you make into NGF AESes from MVSes which IS STILL NOT AN OFFICIAL SNK MADE HOMECART. UnDeRsTaNd?

Thats why i think Neo fans care and might get pissed cuz we feel that this type of phony shit shouldnt be made in the profit driven sense.
That aint keeping it neo real in the neo fan sense.

You should of haved a better attitude no matter if customers complain or whatever cuz the customers always have a right to question anything.
Making unofficial SNK converted carts without an insane cost,offering the specifics about the cart conversions like asking the customer what they wish - would have been way better.

Nah but you go ahead and make a smack in the face so called "Official" NGF carts that offends the neo fans cuz you making shit that should be a personal treat but in fact you fooling many unsuspecting neo fans out there that dont knoe any better and you making a great amount of money off them.
"That is no real neo fan or dealer".

Why you think many neo fans are not liking NGF? Not to mention all the money they spent and the horrid experience with NGF.

You say your helping Neo Geo but in fact your hurting it.
If many have the fake NGF version of a game for an insane price then why would rebuy the official SNK version?
Your hurting SNK's economy cuz they wont make no more games if many unsuspecting neo fans arent buying the official SNK homecart games cuz of a MVS converted to fake AES NGF version that exist.
You are emulating SNK games in a hurtfull weird way.
At this time Neo Geo/SNK needs all the help and profits they can get but since you selling bullshit NGF MVS converted carts and made an insane fake NGF KOF2000 cart way overpriced auctions, then why would an unsuspecting neo fan rebuy the official SNK homecart? (Dam i repeated myself)
Maybe they would rebuy it if they found out that the SNK was way less in cost which may push them to sell the NGF version that you will rebuy and offer it to some other unsuspecting neo fan.

Your making money off the neo community and then laugh in their face after they are unhappy with the fake product.
Most of the NGF staff (and the head Dion) came to the BBSes and Forums with ugly unprofessional behavior and talk alot of bullshit justifying their marketing ways.

Umm no. what real 3 man company would even bother if they didnt have nuthin to hide?

Dion/NGF also have been caught in many lies and contradictions about their products,info ect ect.

UUUHG! I dont even feel like reviewing my post.

Bye!




[This message has been edited by Lord Illicious (edited October 15, 2000).]

yuckydog
10-15-2000, 11:32 PM
I'd buy it for $1. You can play it now at home and you have a nice case when the real thing comes out.

http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Neo-jorge
10-15-2000, 11:35 PM
Boy O boy Im gonna have posum for dinner.
Well Mr.Lump I dont think I needed your invitation To join a public board and if you feel my little pieces at NGF are stupid then by all means DONT READ. It's funny you should happen to take the time to read em.
It's great To know that someones does, Gracias.

Dear Mr.Chimp Where do you get this assumption that I am dion? Please do tell?
Anyone that knows who the Neo "BIG TYMERS "
Are Can Tell you who I am. Ask Around and feel free to investigate. Well then again just who the heck is MR.Chimp? Ive never heard of U and I really dont care U perceive
nothing. It really goes to show your ignorance and HATE for Dion. Really You should seek Help it's not good to keep so much anger bottled Up, Stuff like that will affect your Game. You need to Confront your fears Heads Up. Go ahead and give Dion a call If he cant help you maybe PARK-SIDE Can. Just for the Record let me tell you why that Auction was cancelled. The KoF 2000 auction listed by Chris was ended because
he offered other items for sale,plus then the second auction he offered the Jap version for $400 in December.

According to eBay, you're not allowed to advertise other items in your auction. Hence you get a Cancelation. NGF As a matter of fact has already sold 11 copies of KOF2k. 5 thanks to the eBay auctions and with new people finding our site, and we even mentioned that NGF would sell KoF2000 in December for $400. (we mentioned it in the auction and on our main page). So MR.Chimp I hope I have put some of your troubles at ease. I hope you Sleep Well. Always remember "BIG TYMERS" don't need, want, or have to wait to have the NEW Neo items.

Neo-jorge WWW.neogeofreak.com (http://WWW.neogeofreak.com)

Lord Illicious
10-15-2000, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by yuckydog:
I'd buy it for $1. You can play it now at home and you have a nice case when the real thing comes out.

http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I wouldnt take it for free.

No Thanx

the Rev
10-15-2000, 11:45 PM
If you "Big Tymers" can have anything you want, then why didn't you make the ultimate "Big Tyme" purchase and buy SNK before Aruze did?

-the Rev

chimpmeister
10-15-2000, 11:50 PM
*** Dear Mr.Chimp Where do you get this assumption that I am dion? Please do tell? ***

Well jerkoff, if you're not DION, then you're CHRIS, aka ngfusa the eBay ID that is skating on THIN ICE? Sound right? Because the only two idiots in the FAKE operation known as "NGF" are DION and CHRIS . . . there ARE no others, we all KNOW that!

*** Just for the Record let me tell you why that Auction was cancelled. The KoF 2000 auction listed by Chris was ended because he offered other items for sale,plus then the second auction he offered the Jap version for $400 in December. ***

Just for the record, lets all get it straight DION or CHRIS. Both auctions were cancelled because they REEKED of BULLSHIT! The first had a ridiculous string of idiotic, offensive BULLSHIT in it, and broke PLENTY of eBAy rules (besides being a fake, unlicensed product). The SECOND auction DIED because, even after removing 2/3 of your BULLSHIT, it was STILL a FAKE cart, NOT OFFICIAL NOT LICENSED and ILLEGAL!!!

Oh, and who in their RIGHT MIND would pay you idiots $400 for a cart they can get for $320 from NCS? Why spend MORE money on the FAKE cart when you can spend LESS money on the REAL one? Duh?

*** Always remember "BIG TYMERS" don't need, want, or have to wait to have the NEW Neo items. ***

And YOU always remember that REAL Neo Geo collectors and gamers don't NEED, WANT, or CARE about your FAKE SHIT. You may have "sold" 11 copies of KOF2K, but your shoddy workmanship and poor customer service will guarantee that your "product", such as it is, won't have ANYONE coming back for more . . .

Neo-jorge
10-15-2000, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by the Rev:
If you "Big Tymers" can have anything you want, then why didn't you make the ultimate "Big Tyme" purchase and buy SNK before Aruze did?

-the Rev

Who says Us " BIG TYMERS " Didnt TRY....


NEO-Jorge

www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

the Rev
10-15-2000, 11:54 PM
Ahhh, so you've failed yet again...

Lord Illicious
10-15-2000, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B] Offer me a KOF2000 homecart for $1 and i still wouldnt buy it. why? Cuz i know its been converted and made to look as a official snk neo geo homecart.
First its the offers of official SNK unreleased carts, then its about Official NGF carts, now its about converted carts.
Uhg i got a headache.

Nah man too mush bullshit going on left and right.

No way it can be a "OFFICIAL" NGF cart if the SNK logo/trademarks remain in the game.

I dont think its a matter of what/who can afford a cart and many are complaining that they cant afford it cuz we can buy thoes MVSes for a way lower price but i understand about the unreleased AES carts that you make into NGF AESes from MVSes which IS STILL NOT AN OFFICIAL SNK MADE HOMECART. UnDeRsTaNd?

Thats why i think Neo fans care and might get pissed cuz we feel that this type of phony shit shouldnt be made in the profit driven sense.
That aint keeping it neo real in the neo fan sense.

You should of haved a better attitude no matter if customers complain or whatever cuz the customers always have a right to question anything.
Making unofficial SNK converted carts without an insane cost,offering the specifics about the cart conversions like asking the customer what they wish - would have been way better.

Nah but you go ahead and make a smack in the face so called "Official" NGF carts that offends the neo fans cuz you making shit that should be a personal treat but in fact you fooling many unsuspecting neo fans out there that dont knoe any better and you making a great amount of money off them.
"That is no real neo fan or dealer".

Why you think many neo fans are not liking NGF? Not to mention all the money they spent and the horrid experience with NGF.

You say your helping Neo Geo but in fact your hurting it.
If many have the fake NGF version of a game for an insane price then why would rebuy the official SNK version?
Your hurting SNK's economy cuz they wont make no more games if many unsuspecting neo fans arent buying the official SNK homecart games cuz of a MVS converted to fake AES NGF version that exist.
You are emulating SNK games in a hurtfull weird way.
At this time Neo Geo/SNK needs all the help and profits they can get but since you selling bullshit NGF MVS converted carts and made an insane fake NGF KOF2000 cart way overpriced auctions, then why would an unsuspecting neo fan rebuy the official SNK homecart? (Dam i repeated myself)
Maybe they would rebuy it if they found out that the SNK was way less in cost which may push them to sell the NGF version that you will rebuy and offer it to some other unsuspecting neo fan.

Your making money off the neo community and then laugh in their face after they are unhappy with the fake product.
Most of the NGF staff (and the head Dion) came to the BBSes and Forums with ugly unprofessional behavior and talk alot of bullshit justifying their marketing ways.

Umm no. what real 3 man company would even bother if they didnt have nuthin to hide?

Dion/NGF also have been caught in many lies and contradictions about their products,info ect ect.

UUUHG! I dont even feel like reviewing my post.

Bye!



I figured Neo Jerk wouldnt fully read and reply to me post.

Sad cuz NGF cant defend themselves to truth.

Neo-jorge
10-16-2000, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by the Rev:
Ahhh, so you've failed yet again...


" only in your eyes little buddy Wipe your Tears "

Neo-jorge
10-16-2000, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B] Offer me a KOF2000 homecart for $1 and i still wouldnt buy it. why? Cuz i know its been converted and made to look as a official snk neo geo homecart.
First its the offers of official SNK unreleased carts, then its about Official NGF carts, now its about converted carts.
Uhg i got a headache.

Nah man too mush bullshit going on left and right.

No way it can be a "OFFICIAL" NGF cart if the SNK logo/trademarks remain in the game.

I dont think its a matter of what/who can afford a cart and many are complaining that they cant afford it cuz we can buy thoes MVSes for a way lower price but i understand about the unreleased AES carts that you make into NGF AESes from MVSes which IS STILL NOT AN OFFICIAL SNK MADE HOMECART. UnDeRsTaNd?

Thats why i think Neo fans care and might get pissed cuz we feel that this type of phony shit shouldnt be made in the profit driven sense.
That aint keeping it neo real in the neo fan sense.

You should of haved a better attitude no matter if customers complain or whatever cuz the customers always have a right to question anything.
Making unofficial SNK converted carts without an insane cost,offering the specifics about the cart conversions like asking the customer what they wish - would have been way better.

Nah but you go ahead and make a smack in the face so called "Official" NGF carts that offends the neo fans cuz you making shit that should be a personal treat but in fact you fooling many unsuspecting neo fans out there that dont knoe any better and you making a great amount of money off them.
"That is no real neo fan or dealer".

Why you think many neo fans are not liking NGF? Not to mention all the money they spent and the horrid experience with NGF.

You say your helping Neo Geo but in fact your hurting it.
If many have the fake NGF version of a game for an insane price then why would rebuy the official SNK version?
Your hurting SNK's economy cuz they wont make no more games if many unsuspecting neo fans arent buying the official SNK homecart games cuz of a MVS converted to fake AES NGF version that exist.
You are emulating SNK games in a hurtfull weird way.
At this time Neo Geo/SNK needs all the help and profits they can get but since you selling bullshit NGF MVS converted carts and made an insane fake NGF KOF2000 cart way overpriced auctions, then why would an unsuspecting neo fan rebuy the official SNK homecart? (Dam i repeated myself)
Maybe they would rebuy it if they found out that the SNK was way less in cost which may push them to sell the NGF version that you will rebuy and offer it to some other unsuspecting neo fan.

Your making money off the neo community and then laugh in their face after they are unhappy with the fake product.
Most of the NGF staff (and the head Dion) came to the BBSes and Forums with ugly unprofessional behavior and talk alot of bullshit justifying their marketing ways.

Umm no. what real 3 man company would even bother if they didnt have nuthin to hide?

Dion/NGF also have been caught in many lies and contradictions about their products,info ect ect.

UUUHG! I dont even feel like reviewing my post.

Bye!



I figured Neo Jerk wouldnt fully read and reply to me post.

Sad cuz NGF cant defend themselves to truth.


DUDE MAKE SENSE .....It's been explained doezens of TIMES

For more infomation or questions visit
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

NEO-jorge

the Rev
10-16-2000, 12:11 AM
I should think not. Now let's see...

1. Magazine: (poof, up in smoke)
2. Manufacturing NGF exclusive games: (ain't seen nothing yet)
3. Trying to aquire SNK: (strike three huh?)
4. A good reputation: (I'm not even going there)
5. A fair business practice: (see number four)

Anybody care to add to this list?

Lord Illicious
10-16-2000, 12:15 AM
Bullshit! You just cant admit it that your full of shit.

Neo-jorge
10-16-2000, 12:17 AM
Ahhh ok now Im chris.....
MR.Chimp it takes more than a 2 man crew to Run a Bizz-ness. NGF STAFF is on Call 24hrs a day if the need arises and you Feel your ready for HELP.......

NUFF on this Topic....


Neo-jorge
WWW.Neogeofreak.com (http://WWW.Neogeofreak.com)

Perhaps Jeff can tell you curious ones who neo-jorge Is I mean We have talked on the phone before. Well Maybe I should change my new name to CHRIS......

Neo-jorge

chimpmeister
10-16-2000, 12:24 AM
6. Making fake carts and passing them off as real SNK product.
7. Failing to send product at all, even after receiving payment (kinda goes in 4 and 5 too)
8. Filling auctions with lies and distortions
9. Providing an inferior product (i.e. Strikers 1945 Plus DOA)
10. Using false names when trying to shore up dead reputation (can you say "patrick" or "back by popular demand" or "Neo-jorge" . . . yeah I thought you could!)
11. Having the most disgusting, condescending attitude towards others in the Neo community
12. Improperly grading product, sending crap quality to customer when a higher quality level was promised

etc. etc. etc. . . . the list could really go on forever, but its getting late and I gotta crash soon . . . <yawn> http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Neo-jorge
10-16-2000, 12:26 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B]Bullshit! You just cant admit it that your full of shit.

Hey boys and girls you really need to do something about that potty mouth. Here old little me Has not even resorted to Comparing you Little ones with Mierda.
( Mierda Spanish for Shit )

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Shawn
10-16-2000, 12:56 AM
You know, Dion had the nerves to tell me on the phone that there is not a single collector on these forums. He claims that only children post here and that’s why he doesn’t bother posting. He also went on to say that he would never post here again. Naturally, I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

But then again, he did bring up a nice point. He asked how would I like to go to a house knowing that there are 100 people wanting to kick my ass and no one was willing to back me up. Now I have an idea as to why he keeps quiet.

wjw123
10-16-2000, 01:39 AM
Shawn,

I don't know why you even bother talking to this guy. There is not a collector here foolish enough to be taken by NGF again.



Originally posted by Shawn:
You know, Dion had the nerves to tell me on the phone that there is not a single collector on these forums. He claims that only children post here and that’s why he doesn’t bother posting. He also went on to say that he would never post here again. Naturally, I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

But then again, he did bring up a nice point. He asked how would I like to go to a house knowing that there are 100 people wanting to kick my ass and no one was willing to back me up. Now I have an idea as to why he keeps quiet.

Lord Illicious
10-16-2000, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B]Bullshit! You just cant admit it that your full of shit.

Hey boys and girls you really need to do something about that potty mouth. Here old little me Has not even resorted to Comparing you Little ones with Mierda.
( Mierda Spanish for Shit )

Neo-jorge
www.nogoodfucks.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)





Vete paa las madre que te pario pendejo maricon.

See ya mama guevo

gokusama26
10-16-2000, 03:06 AM
If this isn't Dion, I think this person is an absolute retard for defending NGF without even knowing everything that has gone on with them. I have seen NGFs merchandise, and it is utter crap. It is on the same qualiy level as those 200-in-1 carts that used to be made in korea for the NES. But seriously, Dion or Chris, it would work towards your credibility to actually post under your real name, and not try to pass yourself off as some kid. At least then I would know that you are confident enough in your buisness practices to assume blame for incidents and try to correct them.

[This message has been edited by gokusama26 (edited October 16, 2000).]

JMKurtz
10-16-2000, 09:18 AM
I did talk to a guy from Chicago once before calling himself Neo-Jorge -- he called asking about a bunch of carts, made a bunch of claims saying he was going to buy this-and-that, and as usual, never followed through. I get these e-mails (and sometimes calls) all the time... I've never actually dealt with the guy (that I can remember - he may have bought a common home cart, who knows?), so I can't offer an opinion on the guy.

I talked to Judy, the lady from Time-Life magazine, once before, but that doesn't mean I know her.

Jorge -- How's that Irritating Maze game working out? You said you were going to buy one. I was just wondering if you got one that works since others that were scammed never did.

Jeff


Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
Ahhh ok now Im chris.....
MR.Chimp it takes more than a 2 man crew to Run a Bizz-ness. NGF STAFF is on Call 24hrs a day if the need arises and you Feel your ready for HELP.......

NUFF on this Topic....


Neo-jorge
WWW.Neogeofreak.com (http://WWW.Neogeofreak.com)

Perhaps Jeff can tell you curious ones who neo-jorge Is I mean We have talked on the phone before. Well Maybe I should change my new name to CHRIS......

Neo-jorge

Mouse_Master
10-16-2000, 09:53 AM
Neo-jorge,

If NGF is is great, where are my two games I ordered in June of this year, that were to be shipped to me almost immediately?

Did not think you ould have an answer!

Keith

Maturin
10-16-2000, 11:40 AM
Converting cart is legal if you own a cart and a mvs kof2000 you can do what you want with it.
But it's illegal to duplicate artwork from snk to sell it(you can only duplicate it to make backup). It's illegal to modify snk artwork (exept for personal use).
Sell a converted cart with mvs artwork and tell that this is a converted cart instead of an "official from ngf" and ...
Ok i am dreaming.

Neo-jorge
10-16-2000, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
Vete paa las madre que te pario pendejo maricon.

See ya mama guevo

Really guy if your going to try and insult me in my native language then al least do a good job at it. Primero aprende como escribir antes de insultar.
Time for a kiddy nap......

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

VinylBoy
10-16-2000, 02:18 PM
I really don't think it's the fact that they actually convert carts... anyone that goes the extra mile to make more games available to a system should be commended.

HOWEVER, any good deeds by NGF have been constantly overshadowed, due to the fact that the people behind it are generally non-pleasant and difficult to get along with. Unless you agree with them 100%, they try to be an annoyance. In dealing with them, they must be considered and treated like gods, or else they will punish you like a rebellious peasant. And all the false advertising, on their own business web page and in Ebay doesn't help.

EVERYTHING that happens (and will continue to happen) to them has been brought upon themselves... the years of bad talking, flaming and egotistical malarchy is coming back to haunt them. Who knows if the damage that they've done to themselves characterwise can be corrected? And in all honesty, who even cares at this point?

Battle lines have obviously been drawn... it's like the modern day Hatfields & McCoys.

Lord Illicious
10-16-2000, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
Really guy if your going to try and insult me in my native language then al least do a good job at it. Primero aprende como escribir antes de insultar.
Time for a kiddy nap......

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)



Vete par carajo maricon. Uste no puede dicir me un coņo de nada.

Aprende llamar lo que uste echo para neo geo

Te veo cabron.

Neo-jorge
10-16-2000, 02:23 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMKurtz:
[B]I did talk to a guy from Chicago once before calling himself Neo-Jorge -- he called asking about a bunch of carts, made a bunch of claims saying he was going to buy this-and-that, and as usual, never followed through. I get these e-mails (and sometimes calls) all the time... I've never actually dealt with the guy (that I can remember - he may have bought a common home cart, who knows?), so I can't offer an opinion on the guy.

I talked to Judy, the lady from Time-Life magazine, once before, but that doesn't mean I know her.

Jorge -- How's that Irritating Maze game working out? You said you were going to buy one. I was just wondering if you got one that works since others that were scammed never did.

Well Jeff If You re-call I was going to buy one of your famous 2 in one carts but Then I just found a better deal so I passed. People change thier mind all the time U know.
Sorry I if I got your hopes u 2 high and were detremented and hurt 4 life. As for my IM well I can say it works great. Great game and dude you just gotta dig that crazy music. Did I ever buy a quiz game from U? not 2 common you know..

Neo-jorge www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

If anyone stills needs Proof as to my Identity perhaps Adol can Vouch for me. We have done Bizz before.

Neo-jorge
10-16-2000, 02:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B] Vete par carajo maricon. Uste no puede dicir me un coņo de nada.

Aprende llamar lo que uste echo para neo geo

Te veo cabron.

Hey jibaro.... Regresa al collegio...!
Parece que lo necesitas.
Vasta con tus mamadas....!

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Lord Illicious
10-16-2000, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B] Vete par carajo maricon. Uste no puede dicir me un coņo de nada.

Aprende llamar lo que uste echo para neo geo

Te veo cabron.

Hey jibaro.... Regresa al collegio...!
Parece que lo necesitas.
Vasta con tus mamadas....!

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)





Aye que pendejo eres.
Porque no me mamas un guevo?
Estas tonto con mi pinga en tu novia?
Vete par carajo y llevate tu coņaso al collejio para que sepas la verda de NGF.

Te veo mama tripa.

Iori
10-16-2000, 02:42 PM
uhh...Taco?

Lord Illicious
10-16-2000, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Iori:
uhh...Taco?

LOL nah want some ropa veja or some soncocho de pulpo?

That Neo-Jerk se hace titire

Fran
10-16-2000, 03:19 PM
Offer me a KOF2000 homecart for $1 and i still wouldnt buy it. why? Cuz i know its been converted and made to look as a official snk neo geo homecart

what a supreme truth

there aint nowt left to say


Fran

JMKurtz
10-16-2000, 03:20 PM
Oh yea, you scarred me for life... How will I ever go on? Uh, Whatever. You were a cool person back then, now you just sound like a re-programmed robot.

Oh, and since you said your I/M works great, please post pics of the controller and the game running on your home system (screenshots past the beginning of a level.)

Jeff


Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMKurtz:
[B]I did talk to a guy from Chicago once before calling himself Neo-Jorge -- he called asking about a bunch of carts, made a bunch of claims saying he was going to buy this-and-that, and as usual, never followed through. I get these e-mails (and sometimes calls) all the time... I've never actually dealt with the guy (that I can remember - he may have bought a common home cart, who knows?), so I can't offer an opinion on the guy.

I talked to Judy, the lady from Time-Life magazine, once before, but that doesn't mean I know her.

Jorge -- How's that Irritating Maze game working out? You said you were going to buy one. I was just wondering if you got one that works since others that were scammed never did.

Well Jeff If You re-call I was going to buy one of your famous 2 in one carts but Then I just found a better deal so I passed. People change thier mind all the time U know.
Sorry I if I got your hopes u 2 high and were detremented and hurt 4 life. As for my IM well I can say it works great. Great game and dude you just gotta dig that crazy music. Did I ever buy a quiz game from U? not 2 common you know..

Neo-jorge www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

If anyone stills needs Proof as to my Identity perhaps Adol can Vouch for me. We have done Bizz before.

Billkwando
10-16-2000, 06:00 PM
Yes, I too would like to see the fabled IM cart in action. Post those pics you proud collector you!!

Thanks,
Billkwando
http://grador.radix.net/~kws/trey/utngmlink.gif http://www.undertheneogeomoon.com

JRock917
10-16-2000, 07:36 PM
Is this the NGF rebuttal for saying negative things about them on these forums? First, they send us Neo-jorge, and then threaten legal action? Whatever happened to honest truth-telling, to admitting to mistakes made any trying to rectify fractured relationships with the neo community? I guess that would totally go against the NGF ego, and would mean they might actually have to admit they were wrong, god forbid.

DIY
10-16-2000, 07:58 PM
Why all the hate? Let me ask you this why all the scams?

Dolphin
10-16-2000, 10:07 PM
Perhaps if I randomly Capitalize nondescript Words I'll Somehow get my point Across in a much more Salient manner.

JRock917
10-16-2000, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by DolphinLord:
Perhaps if I randomly Capitalize nondescript Words I'll Somehow get my point Across in a much more Salient manner.

Salient- I dont think I have seen anyone on this forum use that word yet http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Lord Illicious
10-16-2000, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by JRock917:
Salient- I dont think I have seen anyone on this forum use that word yet http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif


I dont even knoe whay "Salient" means. =)/

vincewy
10-16-2000, 11:18 PM
To all, Neo-Jorge is a different person than Dion, his name is Jorge Fernandez, but I don't know why Neo-Jorge would come out and defend NGF since he normally doesn't get involved here. On ther other hand, if we are so childish, why keep replying to the answers, that doesn't make a person any more mature.

In order to establish credibility, NGF should deal honestly and truthfully, it doesn't happen over night. If so, NGF won't have to worry about people badmouthing them.

lemonflav
10-17-2000, 01:20 AM
I'll have a steak and choriso burrito,and a large horchata.
Can I have that to go please :-)

JRock917
10-17-2000, 06:27 AM
All of this makes me wonder if we are going to have to continue to fight so called "big tymers" who continue to migrate to this forum and post pro-NGF propaganda. I for one would post positive things about them if I had not been treated like an idiot by Dion, and they actually cared about trying to fix all the problems they have created. I wish they would change into an honest business outfit, but wishing is for suckers at this point.

Adol
10-17-2000, 11:48 AM
Well,i remember you Jorge...it's a long time
at that time you were "normal"
now,like other said,you're just a reprogrammed robot..you can't judge or think by yourself..you see ngf,you smell ngf,you adore ngf
i remember you banned me from your "neogeo heaven list",with chris&dion

so i'm sorry,but i don't care of you at all
and i'm sure Jeff Kurtz is right about Irritating Maze..this shit doesn't work,because dion,you or chris haven't brain capabilities to make it work

Neo-jorge
10-17-2000, 08:10 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Illicious:
[B] LOL nah want some ropa veja or some soncocho de pulpo?

That Neo-Jerk se hace titire

And just might what be ropa veja?

Im lost on that one little guy....

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-17-2000, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by lemonflav:
I'll have a steak and choriso burrito,and a large horchata.
Can I have that to go please :-)


horchata is great when chilled....=)


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-17-2000, 08:25 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMKurtz:
[B]Oh yea, you scarred me for life... How will I ever go on? Uh, Whatever. You were a cool person back then, now you just sound like a re-programmed robot.

Oh, and since you said your I/M works great, please post pics of the controller and the game running on your home system (screenshots past the beginning of a level.)


Biri Biri Biri..Now Now Tweaky....Be nice
So im a bad person now cause I Changed my mind about buying a few carts from U ?
Really all those vendors I tell at the malls "well thanks but maybe another day"
Must be burning in their fight( bad joke )
If changing your mind is bad then Im guilty.
Ive commited a deadly sin.....
Someone please bring the Iron coat..
Why do u want to see my IM???
Ive already told you it works great and stays crispy in milk. Beside Neo-jorge has very little time for pics and Id rather spend my time doing constructive things like chatting with my Fans. If you like you have an exclusive invitation to my home to see the game in action 1st hand. Ill even leave the lights on for Ya... hell feel free to leave the dip setting on Free play buddy. You are more than welcome...
Stay cool buddy JEFF old Pal.....
you have inspired me to get a subsciption to time life magaizine you big guy U....

take care

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-17-2000, 08:26 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Billkwando:
[B]Yes, I too would like to see the fabled IM cart in action. Post those pics you proud collector you!!


Oh you guys.....!!

yes your invited 2 .....

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-17-2000, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by DIY:
Why all the hate? Let me ask you this why all the scams?


why are there Strippers? Why is there Crime?
why do serial killers Kill....

O WHY O WHY O WHY.......

find the anwser to that question and youll never have to ask it's like again.....


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-17-2000, 08:50 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adol:
[B]Well,i remember you Jorge...it's a long time
at that time you were "normal"
now,like other said,you're just a reprogrammed robot..you can't judge or think by yourself..you see ngf,you smell ngf,you adore ngf
i remember you banned me from your "neogeo heaven list",with chris&dion

Well Mr.ADOL...1st off I did not ban you from anything you banned yourself.
If you have a problem with dion handle your problems in a civil manner. There was no need for anyone else to know your problems.
There are people who make a living listening to peoples problems. You might want to go seek thier advice. I really dont know why you are attacking me as Ive done nothing bad to you. Yes it's true I like NGF but that's my personal opinon I am entitled to that aint I? I am a Staff member of NGF so it's a natural process to defend things you believe in. I dont know how things are in that little place across the sea there in Paris but here in the good old USA. It's a right that we have when we are born....

Thanks.....

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)


]

JRock917
10-17-2000, 08:57 PM
What I would like to know is why are we still arguing over the same stupid crap here, geesh. Not that I have never said anything myself, but it seems our newfound NGF friend loves to keep it stirred up. It was really nice when we had some harmony here, before the return of the Dionites.

Gambit
10-17-2000, 09:22 PM
Well Neo Jorge it appears that you officially wipe Dions ass now and I would like to know where your strings are that Dion pulls because its obvious if you are not Dion then you are the only puppet that NGF has because everyone here has enough sense to stay clear of the shit they sell. Oh and by the way the reason I haven't posted much is because my computer was in the shop so you will be seeing me alot more now http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

SNK/Aruze is the only official Neo Geo future
So let that be known to all the fools at NGF.

JRock917
10-17-2000, 09:31 PM
Amen Gambit!

Gunbu
10-17-2000, 09:34 PM
Neo-Jorge says: " There was no need for anyone else to know your problems... "
And then says:
" Yes it's true I like NGF but that's my personal opinon I am entitled to that aint I?"

Does anyone else see something wrong here?
He's allowed to say that he likes NGF, but god forbid that someone says something BAD about them...
Whatever...

chimpmeister
10-17-2000, 09:54 PM
Isn't it funny how many fake Dion "Identities" have come and gone from this board? After Dion quit posting, there was "NGF", then "patrick", and finally "back by popular demand" (and since that second auction was DELETED by eBay, there wasn't any need to post under that dumbass ID anymore!).
Its MOST funny because Dion ALWAYS used to claim that he didn't need to hide behind pseudonyms ("Dion . . . always using his real name"). I guess as his reputation began to REALLY take a dive, he decided that "Dion's" real name wasn't helping anymore, and switched to all these other bogus IDs.

As for Neo-jorge, he's got zero credibility as well . . . funny how this "employee" of "NGF" has been completely unheard-of until now.

So "Neo-Jorge", you want us to believe that you're not just another fake-ass identity like ALL THE OTHER ONES, then WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DO FOR "NGF"? I'm sure you're eager to clue us in about it . . . eh? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

lemonflav
10-17-2000, 10:36 PM
The sad truth is that Dion would be the coolest person to know if he wasn't trying to jerk everybody all the time. I'm mean I'm not defending him or anything, but I remember seeing his collection and I was just amazed. I had no idea that there could be someone that could possibly collect that much neo stuff. Although as I soon found out he was such a jerk I quickly lost all trust in him. I thought I had found a person who was a true neo freak, and that he would help me to get all the games I wanted. Unfortunatly that wasn't the case.

Dion, why are you trying to screw everyone?

I understand that people say a lot of things about you and NGF and some if it is probably not completely true, but I believe that everything has some small merit of truth in it.

I wish things were different.

JRock917
10-17-2000, 10:42 PM
Unsuspecting as I was when I first started to learn about NGF, I was thrilled to see that they carried such huge inventory and had so much information about the neo on their site. And then I found these forums, and found out the truth. Then I found out firsthand why everyone was calling Dion a jerk. Then I realized they were damn right and have been anti NGF ever since. Yes, it would be nice if those guys were honest and were trying to run an honest operation, that would be great, but it just aint so. I am very thankful I avoided getting any scam carts, and I did so because of what I learned here.

lemonflav
10-17-2000, 10:56 PM
Thats true.

I guess it was just the optimist in me speaking.

JRock917
10-17-2000, 10:59 PM
well, the world needs more optimists http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 12:03 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRock917:
[B]What I would like to know is why are we still arguing over the same stupid crap here, geesh. Not that I have never said anything myself, but it seems our newfound NGF friend loves to keep it stirred up. It was really nice when we had some harmony here, before the return of the Dionites.[/B

Dionites lol....U guys are killing me here. The only thing I wrote was a simple opinion and to think that it has resulted in such pulsing-star topic. Harmony who needs that have a twix it will do the same thing for you.... =)


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 12:13 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gambit:
[B]Well Neo Jorge it appears that you officially wipe Dions ass now and I would like to know where your strings are that Dion pulls because its obvious if you are not Dion then you are the only puppet that NGF has because everyone here has enough sense to stay clear of the shit they sell. Oh and by the way the reason I haven't posted much is because my computer was in the shop so you will be seeing me alot more now http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

SNK/Aruze is the only official Neo Geo future
So let that be known to all the fools at NGF


" Oh lordie now Im being attacked by X-men "
Well gambit truth is the only thing I wipe my nose tends to get a little run-E sometimes, Just So you know everyone has strings only some people know how to manipulate them better than others. Personally i like to wiggle on mine....
" Pull DA Strings " Pull Da Strings "


Neo-jorge
www.negeofreak.com (http://www.negeofreak.com)

Gambit
10-18-2000, 12:20 AM
Well I don't care what others say you sure do type and post like Dion and I think you are one in the same. You chicken shit, why don't you come back as Dion instead of a stupid-ignorant mexican. Whats wrong did the whites tell you to get the hell out of the white race. Better watch out or the Mexicans will tell you to change your race as well because nobody likes a piece of shit in their society or race.

vincewy
10-18-2000, 12:41 AM
Gambit, is it necessay to make those remarks? No, it's not Dion, it's Jorge Fernandez. We may not approve what NGF does, but it doesn't mean we have to attack them that way, it's not constructive, nor productive.

I'll have to admit, I give both Dion and Chris a lot credit for what they have done with their collections, they, just like myself, have put out a lot of effort in finding Neo-Geo games, accessories, etc. In fact, Chris Ray had helped me getting Ninja Masters, Quiz Daissousa Sen and Ultimate 11 home carts. Without his help, I would have paid a lot more for those games today. Yes, I've visited Chris' house when he lived in Chicago and I was impressed to see his collection.

One thing that Dion doesn't have, is open-mindedness. When we get involved, everyone has to realize that we'll come across all walks of life, and be as open as possible, and that's what makes a person, society, company, or even country successful. This has been proven many times.

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 12:56 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
[B]Isn't it funny how many fake Dion "Identities" have come and gone from this board? After Dion quit posting, there was "NGF", then "patrick", and finally "back by popular demand" (and since that second auction was DELETED by eBay, there wasn't any need to post under that dumbass ID anymore!).
Its MOST funny because Dion ALWAYS used to claim that he didn't need to hide behind pseudonyms ("Dion . . . always using his real name"). I guess as his reputation began to REALLY take a dive, he decided that "Dion's" real name wasn't helping anymore, and switched to all these other bogus IDs.

As for Neo-jorge, he's got zero credibility as well . . . funny how this "employee" of "NGF" has been completely unheard-of until now.

So "Neo-Jorge", you want us to believe that you're not just another fake-ass identity like ALL THE OTHER ONES, then WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DO FOR "NGF"? I'm sure you're eager to clue us in about it . . . eh? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

So much mystery behind Neo-jorge...Scary how people attack what they dont comprehend. Mr.chimp Ive been around since the dawn of time buddy. Once upon a time there was this list called the DHP list(think it's still around)Well I was on it for a while then I just really grew tired of all the whines and cries So I started my own and ive been there ever since. Im what some folks call " BIG TYMER " Ive collected all things that are Neo and I am versed in a great deal of knowledge concerning the NEO. Growing up in the city of Chicago and being A great fan of the Neo MVS machines I quickly took it upon myself to get one. Well years later an invention called the internet was made.
Soon after I met a small niche of Neo-gamers it was small but we all had one thing in common it was respect for one another. Over the years it seems that many have come and gone and yet Neo-jorge still remains.
So Mr.chimp Ask not what your Neo can do for you but what Can YOU do for your Neo.
NGF has gone to the Next level and the future Is Now. We will continue to fight ahead and bring excitment to everyones lifes. As for what Neo-jorge job is at NGF well my friend are u in seach of a new job? Does Neo-jorge inquire about your family's where about's ? But if it is that important to you and the suspense is that intense, Well Let me tell you like any Company We have many contacts and Accounts outside Of the U.S.A, being that Neo-jorge Is versed and all being a Spanish speaker you know IT's only natural that he handles oversea accounts In Many of the Worlds Spanish Speaking Countrys.

SI SE HABLA ESPANOL.....


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 12:59 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRock917:
[B]well, the world needs more optimists http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif[[


Optimists are a dime a dozen....

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by Gambit:
Well I don't care what others say you sure do type and post like Dion and I think you are one in the same. You chicken shit, why don't you come back as Dion instead of a stupid-ignorant mexican. Whats wrong did the whites tell you to get the hell out of the white race. Better watch out or the Mexicans will tell you to change your race as well because nobody likes a piece of shit in their society or race.

Why do things always have to come to end up being Racial all the time?
The only one being IGNORANT here is none other than U......

" When it rains We all get Wet "


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Doser81
10-18-2000, 01:08 AM
ya gambit listen to vince it not dion i rember talking to jorge back in the day. If jorge want to say what he want just let him. man cant we just fight about emulation like back in the old days of neo alec ugly green bord
lol

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 01:11 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doser81:
[B]ya gambit listen to vince it not dion i rember talking to jorge back in the day. If jorge want to say what he want just let him. man cant we just fight about emulation like back in the old days of neo alec ugly green bord
lol

LOL....Ahh yes how could I forget those emulation Wars...those were the days.


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 01:19 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by vincewy:
[B]Gambit, is it necessay to make those remarks? No, it's not Dion, it's Jorge Fernandez. We may not approve what NGF does, but it doesn't mean we have to attack them that way, it's not constructive, nor productive.

I'll have to admit, I give both Dion and Chris a lot credit for what they have done with their collections, they, just like myself, have put out a lot of effort in finding Neo-Geo games, accessories, etc. In fact, Chris Ray had helped me getting Ninja Masters, Quiz Daissousa Sen and Ultimate 11 home carts. Without his help, I would have paid a lot more for those games today. Yes, I've visited Chris' house when he lived in Chicago and I was impressed to see his collection.

One thing that Dion doesn't have, is open-mindedness. When we get involved, everyone has to realize that we'll come across all walks of life, and be as open as possible, and that's what makes a person, society, company, or even country successful. This has been proven many times.

Spoken like a true diplomat...
hey vince I was going to come down that one day you came by chris's house.
It would have been cool to have met U
As I heard you play a wicked game of majong
kyo restsuden.

Thanks.....

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Gambit
10-18-2000, 01:40 AM
You guys can play nice with whoever you want but that doesn't mean I have to. I could give a shit about Neo Hoarhey, Dion, Chris, or NGF's feelings or reputation. So next time save it for someone who cares vince. I could careless about people's collections or whatever material possesions they may have, it doesn't make them a better person then anyone else. If you think collections are what makes a man then I think you are very mistaken.

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Gambit:
You guys can play nice with whoever you want but that doesn't mean I have to. I could give a shit about Neo Hoarhey, Dion, Chris, or NGF's feelings or reputation. So next time save it for someone who cares vince. I could careless about people's collections or whatever material possesions they may have, it doesn't make them a better person then anyone else. If you think collections are what makes a man then I think you are very mistaken.

???????

you my friend are a very confused man,
When did We ever say collections makes
a Man? If that were the case Id be a Man 50x
times Over... Ouch.....OUGH.......
Can you hear that......

IM becoming a MAN again....

Neo-jorge
www.neojorge.com (http://www.neojorge.com)

Robi15
10-18-2000, 02:26 AM
I quess you love Dion very much. My opinion is that he is very rude. Too much ego.
If it is cause he's "Brazilian Jiu-Jitzu", then he must be a very weak person. I give credit to NGF for the beautiful artwork, but to treat other fellow Neo fans like shit-"sumimasen"- My respect directly falls.

Robi15

Adol
10-18-2000, 04:52 AM
Well Mr.ADOL...1st off I did not ban you from anything you banned yourself.
If you have a problem with dion handle your problems in a civil manner. There was no need for anyone else to know your problems.
There are people who make a living listening to peoples problems. You might want to go seek thier advice. I really dont know why you are attacking me as Ive done nothing bad to you. Yes it's true I like NGF but that's my personal opinon I am entitled to that aint I? I am a Staff member of NGF so it's a natural process to defend things you believe in. I dont know how things are in that little place across the sea there in Paris but here in the good old USA. It's a right that we have when we are born....

Dion&Chris told me you BANNED me,and no one else,you liar

Well,just for your information,Paris,and France,is the place where were born HUMAN RIGHTS..not "old good usa"

JMKurtz
10-18-2000, 08:29 AM
I may be in Chicago again soon, so I'll take you up on the offer to stop by and check out your I/M and collection... You're still in Chicago, right?

Jeff


Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMKurtz:
[B]Oh yea, you scarred me for life... How will I ever go on? Uh, Whatever. You were a cool person back then, now you just sound like a re-programmed robot.

Oh, and since you said your I/M works great, please post pics of the controller and the game running on your home system (screenshots past the beginning of a level.)


Biri Biri Biri..Now Now Tweaky....Be nice
So im a bad person now cause I Changed my mind about buying a few carts from U ?
Really all those vendors I tell at the malls "well thanks but maybe another day"
Must be burning in their fight( bad joke )
If changing your mind is bad then Im guilty.
Ive commited a deadly sin.....
Someone please bring the Iron coat..
Why do u want to see my IM???
Ive already told you it works great and stays crispy in milk. Beside Neo-jorge has very little time for pics and Id rather spend my time doing constructive things like chatting with my Fans. If you like you have an exclusive invitation to my home to see the game in action 1st hand. Ill even leave the lights on for Ya... hell feel free to leave the dip setting on Free play buddy. You are more than welcome...
Stay cool buddy JEFF old Pal.....
you have inspired me to get a subsciption to time life magaizine you big guy U....

take care

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMKurtz:
[B]I may be in Chicago again soon, so I'll take you up on the offer to stop by and check out your I/M and collection... You're still in Chicago, right?

I sure am jeff....
Let me know....

Ill make sure to leave out the cookies and milk for Ya partner...


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 03:01 PM
Well,just for your information,Paris,and France,is the place where were born HUMAN RIGHTS..not "old good usa"[/B][/QUOTE]


" Death to King Louie "
Arrrgggggg....

" It's good to be the king "

Adol old pal how ca you accuse me of lying if you dobt even know me? Have I EVER even in our deal lied to you about anything?
I think not, just cause your sour about being banned something you brought upon yourself cause you knew the rules. Does that make me a liar? If I banned you I would me man enough to admit it to you.

Hey you know what they put ON french Fry's in France???

" No What "

Mayo......Yup they drown em in The S**T


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 03:05 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Robi15:
[B]I quess you love Dion very much. My opinion is that he is very rude. Too much ego.
If it is cause he's "Brazilian Jiu-Jitzu", then he must be a very weak person. I give credit to NGF for the beautiful artwork, but to treat other fellow Neo fans like shit-"sumimasen"- My respect directly falls.


" I love bread and butter I love toast and Jam "

" Never judge a man untill you have walked in his moccasins "

www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Iori
10-18-2000, 03:09 PM
Ya know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? LOL

DIY
10-18-2000, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:

why are there Strippers? Why is there Crime?
why do serial killers Kill....

O WHY O WHY O WHY.......

find the anwser to that question and youll never have to ask it's like again.....


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)



Man you make sense, Dion cheats people, because his moms a stripper! Thanks Neo-Jorge...

JRock917
10-18-2000, 06:14 PM
Mr. Jorge, I have a question. Why do you feel it necessary to come to these forums to defend NGF? It should be painfully obvious to you what most people here feel toward them, so are you here to simply to irritate or to attempt to defend your cohorts? Perhaps you will choose not to answer this, but you do put alot of effort into slinging mud with everyone else, and it seems to me it would become tiring after a while; I fail to see what is being accomplished here other than rattling the cages of all the honest neo fans on this site.

Dolphin
10-18-2000, 06:26 PM
Ya know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? LOL

Vincent..........You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris?

Jules..........They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

Vincent..........No, they got the metric system there, they wouldn't know what the fuck a Quarter Pounder is.

Jules..........What'd they call it?

Vincent..........Royale With Cheese


[This message has been edited by DolphinLord (edited October 18, 2000).]

VinylBoy
10-18-2000, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by DolphinLord:
Vincent..........You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris?

Jules..........They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

Vincent..........No, they got the metric system there, they wouldn't know what the fuck a Quarter Pounder is.

Jules..........What'd they call it?

Vincent..........Royale With Cheese


[This message has been edited by DolphinLord (edited October 18, 2000).]

"So, what do they call The Smurfs?"

Iori
10-18-2000, 07:14 PM
Le Smurfs

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 07:33 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Iori:
[B]Le Smurfs


No no.... not LE Smurfs

they are called les Schtroumpfs

De smurfen in german.....

and YES THE PITUFOS in spanish.....


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 07:37 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DIY:
[B] Man you make sense, Dion cheats people, because his moms a stripper! Thanks Neo-Jorge....


Ummmm....No but that's very creative....
kids have such vivid imaginations.

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Neo-jorge
10-18-2000, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by JRock917:
Mr. Jorge, I have a question. Why do you feel it necessary to come to these forums to defend NGF? It should be painfully obvious to you what most people here feel toward them, so are you here to simply to irritate or to attempt to defend your cohorts? Perhaps you will choose not to answer this, but you do put alot of effort into slinging mud with everyone else, and it seems to me it would become tiring after a while; I fail to see what is being accomplished here other than rattling the cages of all the honest neo fans on this site.

You are the lucky 100th post of the day so your Question has been chosen to be answered. Well It's like this I did not come with evil intentions I just happened to be surfing Da net and somehow I came across this very site(Lucky guys U Are ) NGF is not this evil organization determined to rule the world( That's Cobra I believe) like so many of U were making it Seem, So like Curious jorge I 2 was Curious what everything was about so I made a simple post. To my amazement I got Attacked from all corners and I was amazed To see that the post's that were getting the most attention were the NGF ones. So naturally I made a rebuttal In defense. It really seems like most of you guys get your trills bad mouthing Dion.
I mean if he is such a bad guy then Let it be and drop it. It seems like Dion is your comedy relief when-ever your Board get's boring. Really there are better things out there( like NGF Carts )

Have a nice One.....

yours Truly

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Adol
10-19-2000, 05:59 AM
Adol old pal how ca you accuse me of lying if you dobt even know me? Have I EVER even in our deal lied to you about anything?


I think not, just cause your sour about being banned something you brought upon yourself cause you knew the rules. Does that make me a liar? If I banned you I would me man enough to admit it to you.

yes..you banned me,and now you say you didn't

you're a liar,period


Hey you know what they put ON french Fry's in France??? " No What "
Mayo......Yup they drown em in The S**T

Mayonnaise is very good ( french one at least ),if you don't like it,don't use it

i hate your corndogs too,but i don't say it is shit

Adol
10-19-2000, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by Iori:
Ya know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? LOL

Royal Cheese

Quite normal to change the name,pound system ( weigh ) doesn't exist here,like "yard/foot" system..
we have "kilogram"and "metric"system,like all countries in this world..except usa,and some other "english culture"countries..

Adol
10-19-2000, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Iori:
[B]Le Smurfs


No no.... not LE Smurfs

they are called les Schtroumpfs

De smurfen in german.....

and YES THE PITUFOS in spanish.....


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

You know,"les schtroumpfs" is a France/Belgium creation,so it is the correct and official name

where the hell have you found such a stupid name like "the smurfs"?mwahaha

VinylBoy
10-19-2000, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Adol:
You know,"les schtroumpfs" is a France/Belgium creation,so it is the correct and official name

where the hell have you found such a stupid name like "the smurfs"?mwahaha



Silly Adol... http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif
The Smurfs was a goofy 80's cartoon... and when I saw someone quote "Pulp Fiction" earlier in this topic, I had to go ahead and do the twisted thing by adding a line from the parody that was done on the "Cartoon Network".

Don't mind me... I know my humor tends to be quite off around here. Maybe I should try to be as "funny" as Dion. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

hee hee hee...

"There is no judgement when you enter these doors. No judgement, no right from wrong... just the higher state of your consciousness." - Deep Dish: Renaissance Ibiza

Lord Illicious
10-19-2000, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adol:
[B]Well,i remember you Jorge...it's a long time
at that time you were "normal"
now,like other said,you're just a reprogrammed robot..you can't judge or think by yourself..you see ngf,you smell ngf,you adore ngf
i remember you banned me from your "neogeo heaven list",with chris&dion

Well Mr.ADOL...1st off I did not ban you from anything you banned yourself.
If you have a problem with dion handle your problems in a civil manner. There was no need for anyone else to know your problems.
There are people who make a living listening to peoples problems. You might want to go seek thier advice. I really dont know why you are attacking me as Ive done nothing bad to you. Yes it's true I like NGF but that's my personal opinon I am entitled to that aint I? I am a Staff member of NGF so it's a natural process to defend things you believe in. I dont know how things are in that little place across the sea there in Paris but here in the good old USA. It's a right that we have when we are born....

Thanks.....

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)


]



Its shit like this that the Ebay Neo fan bidder should look out for and judge for themselves what NGF is all about.

JRock917
10-19-2000, 07:24 PM
"there are better things out there like NGF carts" Got to love that one. Just another lie in rotation with many more to come from NGF.

Neo-jorge
10-20-2000, 01:08 AM
i hate your corndogs too,but i don't say it is shit


Well Adol at least We use Mustard on Our Corndogs and Not MAYO.....=)


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

chimpmeister
10-20-2000, 01:38 AM
The JorBot speaks again . . . how strangely empty are the words of the JorBot.

Big surprise . . . NOT. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Lord Illicious
10-20-2000, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:


i hate your corndogs too,but i don't say it is shit


Well Adol at least We use Mustard on Our Corndogs and Not MAYO.....=)


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)



!LMAOROLF! Corndogs? YOUR BITCHASS CORNBITCH!
Mariqito que le pica para esta bobo.

Neo-jorge
10-20-2000, 01:59 AM
Ahhh you guys......

Really you shouldent Have......


" YOU GUYS REALLY DO LOVE ME "


REMEMBER NGF HAS THE CRUMP......

ONLY AT
WWW.NeoGeoFreak.com (http://WWW.NeoGeoFreak.com)

Neo-jorge

Viewpoint
10-20-2000, 02:16 AM
Quick personal note. The Smurfs have always curdled my milk. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

BonusKun

lemonflav
10-20-2000, 02:35 AM
What can you do with your "crump"???
What the hell is a crump??

lemonflav
10-20-2000, 02:38 AM
Como es CRUMP??

Gary Coleman
10-20-2000, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:



REMEMBER NGF HAS THE CRUMP......





The Crump? is that what you call that ass rash Dion gave you NGF'ers? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/wink.gif

"De Que Estas Hablando Willis?"

Robi15
10-20-2000, 04:59 AM
Neo-Jorge sucks big time. You'r totally in a wrong neighborhood. Did Dion ask you to gome here? You try to be a pain in the ass? You look silly, man! Jeesus.


Robi15
http://smilecwm.tripod.com/net/bandit.gif

Dreamh2o
10-20-2000, 05:00 AM
Masturbation helps keep your mind straight when trying to deal with customers online, just a thought.

.....dont ask me, I was trying to be funny http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

JRock917
10-20-2000, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Dreamh2o:
Masturbation helps keep your mind straight when trying to deal with customers online, just a thought.

.....dont ask me, I was trying to be funny http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I will bet it keeps you straight alright! Sorry, coule not resist.

neogeostore
10-20-2000, 06:25 AM
Neo Jorge is not Dion. Trust me, Jorge Fernandez ripped me off for $305 when he failed to pay for the Ultimate 11 home cart I sent him in APRIL OF 1999 (invoice #3735 for your records, Jorge). Of course, he stopped answering any mail over a year ago. Any response Jorge? Somehow I doubt it.

Tom

JMKurtz
10-20-2000, 08:24 AM
OUCH!!! I guess NGFers are all alike.

Jeff


Originally posted by neogeostore:
Neo Jorge is not Dion. Trust me, Jorge Fernandez ripped me off for $305 when he failed to pay for the Ultimate 11 home cart I sent him in APRIL OF 1999 (invoice #3735 for your records, Jorge). Of course, he stopped answering any mail over a year ago. Any response Jorge? Somehow I doubt it.

Tom

Adol
10-20-2000, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by VinylBoy:
Silly Adol... http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif
The Smurfs was a goofy 80's cartoon... and when I saw someone quote "Pulp Fiction" earlier in this topic, I had to go ahead and do the twisted thing by adding a line from the parody that was done on the "Cartoon Network".

Don't mind me... I know my humor tends to be quite off around here. Maybe I should try to be as "funny" as Dion. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

hee hee hee...

"There is no judgement when you enter these doors. No judgement, no right from wrong... just the higher state of your consciousness." - Deep Dish: Renaissance Ibiza



Lol!Ahah,silly Vinylboy..
Les chtroumps are WAY OLDER than 1980's
maybe you see a "english spoken"cartoon of them in 1980's,right
but it isn't a cartoon,it is a "bande dessinee" ( like Comics in usa ),and began in 1970's

lol,can't believe you think les schtroumps are us

mwahaha

Adol
10-20-2000, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:


i hate your corndogs too,but i don't say it is shit


Well Adol at least We use Mustard on Our Corndogs and Not MAYO.....=)


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)



i hate mustard http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif this is such disgusting
i love mayonnaise ( maybe it isn't the same thing than your "mayo"?

Mouse_Master
10-20-2000, 10:12 AM
Sorry to hear that neogeostore, did you ever take any action against him, or did you just leave it?

Keith

VinylBoy
10-20-2000, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by BonusKun:
Quick personal note. The Smurfs have always curdled my milk. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

BonusKun

Are you coming from a Gargamel, or a "Smurf Berry Crunch" persoective? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

neogeostore
10-20-2000, 01:53 PM
Keith,

There's a little history here. Jorge used to have a source for cheap Playstation and N64 games. Over the course of 2-3 months, I probably bought about $5,000.00 in games from him. He would actually send me the games and I would pay upon receipt. Since he showed so much trust in me, I didn't think it was a big deal when he wanted to buy my extra Ultimate 11 home cart--so I sent it to him before he paid for it. Of course, I have saved all the mails in which he promised to pay for the cart, but then he just stopped responding. And he won't send the cart back. I made about $1500 profit from the games he sold me, so it's not like I was financially victimized. However, a deal is a deal, and it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. It's very frustrating to have someone blatantly rip you off. I got out of the home cart scene because there were too many shady characters. When you look at Shawn's collection, a lot of it is from my personal collection. I have sold Shawn ALL of my home carts (100+--I had every official release + some unreleased home carts made by you know who). In fact, I sold Shawn neo-geo.com because I was no longer motivated to put up a fan site. I gotta hand it to him--this is an incredible tribute to the Neo and I wholeheartedly congratulate him for a job well done. He is by far the most honorable person I have met in the Neo scene. It's people like him who I covet as business partners in my day job.

Tom http://www.neogeostore.com

chimpmeister
10-20-2000, 02:22 PM
So, Neo JorBot is a RIPOFF ARTIST too, eh?

Sorry to hear you got scammed, neogeostore.

Well, that might explain why JorBot has suddenly disappeared from posting . . . another scam artist runs away when confronted with his past sleazy history.

So, JorBot, anything to say about it? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/redface.gif Or are you just going to disappear from the board (no complaints about that) or post some other silly mindless dribble? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Well? We're waiting . . . ?

BryLmoo
10-20-2000, 03:16 PM
Well, I guess we hit a nerve or something...Neo-HorHay isn't gonna respond, he is such a fuckin pansy. He comes in here knowing that everyone hates NGF, then when he gets put down he gets on everyones case about it. Everyone go to www.Neogeofreak.com, (http://www.Neogeofreak.com,) and see what they have put up...it is a new addition to their site, and it is called "Fun with NGF". How lame is that??? that is like saying "make gay ass pics of me, and I'll post them on my webpage!". What a loser. This is what I want everyone to do....Send all of those funny ass pics of Dion and Chris in the War Room to Neogeofreak and see what happens...I'll bet you a million they will post them...and then just skrew there reps even more.
As koRn said on their "Life is Peachy" Album, "Who then now, Bitches?".

-Bryan- -AGAINST NGF-

VinylBoy
10-20-2000, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by BryLmoo:
Well, I guess we hit a nerve or something...Neo-HorHay isn't gonna respond, he is such a fuckin pansy. He comes in here knowing that everyone hates NGF, then when he gets put down he gets on everyones case about it. Everyone go to www.Neogeofreak.com, (http://www.Neogeofreak.com,) and see what they have put up...it is a new addition to their site, and it is called "Fun with NGF". How lame is that??? that is like saying "make gay ass pics of me, and I'll post them on my webpage!". What a loser. This is what I want everyone to do....Send all of those funny ass pics of Dion and Chris in the War Room to Neogeofreak and see what happens...I'll bet you a million they will post them...and then just skrew there reps even more.
As koRn said on their "Life is Peachy" Album, "Who then now, Bitches?".

-Bryan- -AGAINST NGF-

And I was a happy individual before I actually clicked on that URL... MY GOD! Well, it's true when they say that beauty is in the eye of the "beer holder"... that's all I got to say on the thread. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

BTW, notice the bad use of the type tool in Photoshop on their supposed t-shirts? I guess their artwork is starting to get a little sloppy... it almost leads me to believe that they never even attended the Tokyo Game Show.

ANYHOO... I sure hope that any member of the "crew" will step up during the KOF 2000 tourney tomorrow. Now that I know exactly what these hooligans look like, it should be easy to detect them.


[This message has been edited by VinylBoy (edited October 20, 2000).]

neogeostore
10-20-2000, 04:19 PM
Yeah, I'd be surprised to see another Jorge Fernandez post in this thread. I mean, what can you say other than, "yes, I ripped Tom off"? Neo-Jorge is just dripping with credibility these days, huh?

Tom

Neo-jorge
10-20-2000, 06:04 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by neogeostore:
[B]Yeah, I'd be surprised to see another Jorge Fernandez post in this thread. I mean, what can you say other than, "yes, I ripped Tom off"? Neo-Jorge is just dripping with credibility these days, huh?

LIES LIES AND MORE LIES.......

"Typical, another person trying to discredit NGF."

It's so funny how so many of The HATERS there are out there..

" NGF HAS THE CRUMP "

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

JRock917
10-20-2000, 06:07 PM
It would be nice to see Jorge and NGF take a long walk off a short pier. Tom, your unfortunate incident sounds really NGFish; makes me wonder if this Jorge that we have had to put up with knows the one you are referring to, or if they are one in the same.

VinylBoy
10-20-2000, 06:07 PM
I wonder if this type of alibi would work in a normal court of law... http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

"All men are considered innocent until seen with their mistress..." - Unknown

VinylBoy
10-20-2000, 06:08 PM
LIES! LIES! AND MORE LIES!

I wonder if this type of alibi would work in a normal court of law??? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

"All men are considered innocent until seen with their mistress..." - Unknown

OOOPS! MY FIRST DOUBLE POST... I hang my head in shame...

[This message has been edited by VinylBoy (edited October 20, 2000).]

Neo-jorge
10-20-2000, 06:12 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BryLmoo:
[B]Well, I guess we hit a nerve or something...Neo-HorHay isn't gonna respond, he is such a fuckin pansy. He comes in here knowing that everyone hates NGF, then when he gets put down he gets on everyones case about it. Everyone go to www.Neogeofreak.com, (http://www.Neogeofreak.com,) and see what they have put up...it is a new addition to their site, and it is called "Fun with NGF". How lame is that??? that is like saying


Ahhh guy it's ok We will add your pics 2...
No need to be mad.....
NGF is for everyone.....

Every-one Feel Free to send in your pics....
HAVE FUN WITH NGF......

Only AT www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

CAUSE WE JUST SIMPLY LOVE OUR FANS.....

" NGF WE HAVE THE CRUMP "


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

gokusama26
10-20-2000, 06:17 PM
Damn, this is the longest thread I've ever seen!

Neo-jorge
10-20-2000, 06:19 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
[B]So, Neo JorBot is a RIPOFF ARTIST too, eh?

Sorry to hear you got scammed, neogeostore.

Well, that might explain why JorBot has suddenly disappeared from posting . . . another scam artist runs away when confronted with his past sleazy history.

So, JorBot, anything to say about it?


Truth Is They are BLATANT LIES......
It's ok To try and DISCREDIT US....
But the Real FANS know where It's AT....
AND no Neo-jorge has not gone AWAY...
There is such a thing Called a Job...
We all dont mooch off MOMMIE AND DADDY...


" NGF WE HAVE THE CRUMP "


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

JRock917
10-20-2000, 06:44 PM
Well Jorge I have to give you credit, you never seem to run out of things to say. How many of you big tymers are there out there anyway? What is this "cream of the crop" we keep seeing NGF refer to? My last question for the moment, is what it takes to become a big tymer involve spending large amounts of money on NGF carts? Since you seem to like talking about the wonders of NGF so much, you raised some questions in my mind I felt you would probably have the answers to. At least if this thread is going to continue, maybe some of us can learn something new along the way.

Iori
10-20-2000, 06:54 PM
Quit waffling and answer the question, jorge. Why doesn't Tom have his money?

neogeostore
10-20-2000, 06:59 PM
It's hard to believe he's denying anything ever happened. Here's Jorge's last mail to me in June of 1999:

Return-Path: <Neojorge@aol.com>
Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72])
by sj.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sj) with ESMTP id GAA10417
for <tom@hardcoremac.com>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:39:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neojorge@aol.com
Received: from Neojorge@aol.com (14449)
by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id aAGVa17716
for <tom@hardcoremac.com>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <b56adc43.248d2568@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:38:48 EDT
Subject: DuDe
To: tom@hardcoremac.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13
X-UIDL: 0be4fb637fc9a444725a7f74d98aeb1f

dude....... it's not that im not responding but I hardly ever log-on at
home.....
Dude like I said dont worry man......

I going to pay you for that game, I like it too much to send it back to you.
I just had a few other things to attend to before you get the cash.
It's not like you dont have it already.
Im going to give you some bonus items when i send you your
cash for being so patient with me.
So relax bud......have a snacky cake....!

Please trust me dude.
I have never burned anyone in my life.

Jorge

JRock917
10-20-2000, 07:02 PM
You keep really good records, proof of more NGF-related lies.

NGF
10-20-2000, 07:08 PM
NGF refers to people as BIG TYMERS when they start buying the BIGGER games. Big games are games costing over $1000, but doesn't stop there.

Usually, the people that are buying the bigger games have over 120 AES cartridges. At that level they start looking for the extreme rare Neo AES carts and collectibles, such as any BIG game or other rare Neo items.

"Big Tymer" is basically a term used to describe a person that has devoted a lot of time and effort into their hobby (any hobby).

So far, there are only 26 BIG TYMERS that are recognized with NGF (for BIG GAMES). We have a customer base many times that over, but many are still building their AES collections and need some time before they get to the BIG GAME market.

The idea NGF is maintaining is to set a standard that will be recognized in the Neo collecting circle. NGF already is the only officially recognized brand by the serious and true Neo collectors.

Just look around at some Neo collectors pages and see for yourself. Most will have AES carts from NGF.

NGF carts and the amount of prestige a person gets when picturing his NGF collection can already prove this and already proves that NGF IS THE STANDARD by which Neo collections are measured by.

NGF is the standard to Neo as PSA is to sports card collecting.

At first, we just wanted to provide some unreleased games to the Neo fans, but the amount of devotion has taken NGF further than we ever thought possible.

We are truly thankful for all the time, support, and good keeping the Neo fans have given to NGF. This type of response will further motivate us to maintain our influence and support to the NeoGeo. We will keep bringing out all the NeoGeo games to the AES market for ALL the true Neo fans to have.

Thank you.


NGF
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

[This message has been edited by NGF (edited October 20, 2000).]

Neo-jorge
10-20-2000, 07:13 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by neogeostore:
[B]It's hard to believe he's denying anything ever happened. Here's Jorge's last mail to me in June of 1999:

" YEAH OK GUY "

Nice Try to Discredit Me.....
YEAH DUDE.......

DUDE?

Ok DUDE ......

We Can All believe that one....
TAKES ALOT OF TALENT TO MAKE
FAKE LETTERS.......


Neo-jorge

www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

Iori
10-20-2000, 07:18 PM
you're waffling again, jorge.

VinylBoy
10-20-2000, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by neogeostore:
[B]We Can All believe that one....
TAKES ALOT OF TALENT TO MAKE
FAKE LETTERS.......


Neo-jorge


Just like that fake photo of those dirty rotten scoundrels on the NGF web page from the Tokyo Game Show???

Oh, PLEASE dare me to prove it... I'm begging you. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

neogeostore
10-20-2000, 07:38 PM
I figured Jorge would say I faked it. I even have e-mails from Dion telling me that Jorge said he would pay (after Jorge stopped talking to me). And look at path of the letter. You can't fake that. Here's a link to the actual mail he sent me. He says he doesn't say "dude"? I have tons of mail from him starting in late 1998.
http://www.neogeostore.com/jorgemail.jpg

Tom

neogeostore
10-20-2000, 07:53 PM
Here's the mail from Dion. By the way, I made a mistake. It was sent BEFORE Jorge stopped talking with me. At this point in April of 1999, Jorge had supposedly temporarily lost internet access. I guess this was after he was fired from Ryerson Tull where his e-mail address was Jorge.Fernandez@ryersontull.com. I guess he'll deny he worked there. Actually, he'll probably deny that he ever dealt with me and that I just decided to "fake" about 30 e-mails AND THE MAIL PATHS! Oh, and I guess the checks of mine he cashed (when I bought the N64 and PSX games) were faked too.
http://www.neogeostore.com/fromdion.jpg

Tom

Neo-jorge
10-20-2000, 08:00 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by neogeostore:
[B]Here's the mail from Dion. By the way, I made a mistake. It was sent BEFORE Jorge stopped talking with me. At this point in April of 1999, Jorge had supposedly temporarily lost internet access. I guess this was after he was fired from Ryerson Tull where his e-mail address was Jorge.Fernandez@ryersontull.com. I guess he'll deny he worked there. Actually, he'll probably deny that he ever dealt with me and that I just decided to "fake" about 30 e-mails AND THE MAIL PATHS! Oh, and I guess the checks of mine he cashed (when I bought the N64 and PSX games) were faked too.



Dude DUDE DUDE......
Your Lies are not working....

I suppose youll Deny that Most of your games were purchased From NGF....

NGF carts Are The only one's Praised By the BIGTYMERS...


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

neogeostore
10-20-2000, 08:38 PM
Neo Jorge said:

>Dude DUDE DUDE......
>Your Lies are not working....
>I suppose youll Deny that Most of your games >were purchased From NGF....

NGF didn't even EXIST when I got all my carts. I did, however, purchase 5-6 carts from Dion a couple years ago. But since I had over 100, that's hardly MOST.

Dion just called me on the phone asking me to keep his name out of this. Even he admitted that YOU'RE lying. What do you have to say now? Even your NGF buddy says you lie. Gotcha, Jorge. I'll probably never see my cart or my money, but at least you have been exposed.

Tom

Dion has asked me to clarify something (he actually showed up at my doorstep just now and we met in person for the first time). Dion is not calling Jorge a liar. Dion said that Jorge was lying about the fact that Jorge and I had never done business together. Dion says he does not know the details of the Ultimate 11 deal and does not want me to imply that he thinks Jorge is being untruthful about it. So for the record, Dion is saying ONLY that Jorge lied about not doing business with me.

[This message has been edited by neogeostore (edited October 21, 2000).]

NeoLord
10-20-2000, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Neo-jorge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
[B]So, Neo JorBot is a RIPOFF ARTIST too, eh?

Sorry to hear you got scammed, neogeostore.

Well, that might explain why JorBot has suddenly disappeared from posting . . . another scam artist runs away when confronted with his past sleazy history.

So, JorBot, anything to say about it?


Truth Is They are BLATANT LIES......
It's ok To try and DISCREDIT US....
But the Real FANS know where It's AT....
AND no Neo-jorge has not gone AWAY...
There is such a thing Called a Job...
We all dont mooch off MOMMIE AND DADDY...


" NGF WE HAVE THE CRUMP "


Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)





Hmmmmm... hey, NeoGeoStore, why not visit the NGF office and complain in person
about Jorge's creditability? Your profile says you live in Las Vegas, Nevada. Ooops... http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/wink.gif

chimpmeister
10-20-2000, 11:20 PM
The JorBot is exposed as a COMPLETE THIEF and a LIAR!!!

Hey NeoJorge, why don't you pay Tom his money so you don't have to see this kind of shit follow you around the web? You're a fucking total embarassment and a DISGRACE to the community, a lowlife THIEF (and they don't get ANY LOWER here dude) and a LOUSY LIAR.

You've been EXPOSED now, no point in trying to COVER IT UP. Even Dion, your supposed "boss" (boy is that a joke) admits that you are a LIAR!!!!

Dude, get out of here, your thread of credibility (which wasn't much to begin with) is GONE. And everyone, remember this JACKASS and AVOID HIM at ALL COSTS in the future, he's proven that he is a SCUMBAG. Right, Jorge?

chimpmeister
10-20-2000, 11:27 PM
Neo-jorge = Jorge Fernandez = THIEF AND LIAR.

Case closed, get out of here you worthless scumbag. Pay Tom his money and you can come in here posting all the crap you want, but as it stands we don't care for SCUMBAG THIEVES.

Oh, and while I'm at it, what ever happened to Keith's two carts that he paid Dion for? Did they ever finally get shipped? Just wondered.

chimpmeister
10-20-2000, 11:41 PM
Jorge Fernandez wrote to tom@hardcoremac.com:

"Please trust me dude. I have never burned anyone in my life."

Well, you burned Tom, which makes you a LIAR.

No one should EVER trust YOU again, Jorge.

Freakin' lowlife thief . . .

JRock917
10-20-2000, 11:46 PM
this guy has no place here, he never did. Its not everyday we are so lucky as to have one of NGF's own cornered by one of his own cohorts, but in this case, the hammer has come down and we are all a witness to it. Bye Jorgie 'ol buddy 'ol pal.

NeoLord
10-20-2000, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by JRock917:
this guy has no place here, he never did. Its not everyday we are so lucky as to have one of NGF's own cornered by one of his own cohorts, but in this case, the hammer has come down and we are all a witness to it. Bye Jorgie 'ol buddy 'ol pal.

Funny how NeoGeoStore lives in Las Vegas, Nevada. It doesn't matter, though -- I don't
think they would contradict their own to save face. I was also impressed by Dion's cart
collection at first (I found his site while searching for Neo Geo related material through
Yahoo)and was even ready to purchase some cartridges from him until I became a member
of DL's message board. The guys there changed my mind fast....

chimpmeister
10-21-2000, 12:00 AM
What does neogeostore living in Las Vegas have to do with anything? I think you're confused again, NeoLord . . . http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/frown.gif

JRock917
10-21-2000, 12:01 AM
yeah neolord I feel you there. When I came here, same thing happened to me. It was like total uncharted territory to me at first, but as I read through thread upon thread, my good 'ol anti-NGF meter got a real good kick start.

neogeostore
10-21-2000, 12:10 AM
Thanks for your support, fellow forum members. Since I'll never get paid (I think it's safe to presume that after 18 months) I get a measure of satisfaction by exposing Jorge.

Actually, it's ironic that he has been exposed in this manner. Dion used to run his own Neo discussion group sponsored by a company called Onelist (maybe it's still running--I don't know). He made Jorge one of the moderators (who had the power to remove users). Although Jorge stopped answering me, he posted frequently to the Onelist mailing list (thus his lack of internet access lie was blown away). So, I posted to the mailing list about my situation. The next day, Jorge revoked my posting privileges and chided me for bringing the issue to the group. Eventually, Dion gave me full access again, after "a long talk with Jorge".

If you need proof of that, Jorge, I can post Dion's mail to me. Luckily, I'm a digital packrat. I have every single mail you sent me, along with a lot of Dion's.

All this crap is why I got out of the Neo home cart scene and sold my collection to Shawn. Now I get my Neo fix by being associated with the Neo Pocket. You all should visit the Pocket Forum sometime. We are all very friendly and civilized--and I don't think there are any thieves among us.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

neogeostore
10-21-2000, 12:22 AM
Neolord,

Dion lives in Vegas and so do I (7 months now, displaced from Northern California)--but we have never met. As far as I know, Jorge still lives in Chicago. I know, it's seems weird that Dion and I live in the same city now. But hey, it's the fastest growing city in the US.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

Adol
10-21-2000, 05:27 AM
He made Jorge one of the moderators (who had the power to remove users). Although Jorge stopped answering me, he posted frequently to the Onelist mailing list (thus his lack of internet access lie was blown away). So, I posted to the mailing list about my situation. The next day, Jorge revoked my posting privileges and chided me for bringing the issue to the group. Eventually, Dion gave me full access again, after "a long talk with Jorge".


it happene dthe same thing to me,when i was complaining to dion when he ripped me off for my Shock Troopers 1 cart ( a $550 cart! )...i strated to post there,and ,suddenly, i was revocated!
he always claimed "it isn't me,it's jorge",because io had possibilities to speak to dion or chris on AOL instant messenger...then they told it was jorge

and of course jorge never even emailed me telling why i've been revocated

DEMOCRATY,huh? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

JRock917
10-21-2000, 08:22 AM
I think in NGF terms, the amount of Democracy allowed in a forum, or for that matter, the amount of free speech, is completely dependent upon the amount of truth presented therein. The formula is something like this:

NGF = FORUMS - TRUTH / BIG TYMERS

When you fill in the values and work the formula, you will arrive at a value, shown there as NGF, but also known as a Hussein... named after the Iraqi Dictator. You can also substitute the "forums" value for any other topic which when the truth is told might piss NGF off, such as "scam carts" or "people ripped off". Finally, by dividing the number of big tymers into the formula, you get an idea of how many people are required to be lied to by NGF every day so they can maintain their business. Adol, what they did to you when you were on those boards just trying to get what was owed to you is just plain wrong, and another reason we should be thankful we have these forums here; I know I am.

NeoLord
10-21-2000, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by neogeostore:
Neolord,

Dion lives in Vegas and so do I (7 months now, displaced from Northern California)--but we have never met. As far as I know, Jorge still lives in Chicago. I know, it's seems weird that Dion and I live in the same city now. But hey, it's the fastest growing city in the US.

Tom

http://www.neogeostore.com

So I've heard! =) I hope you can rectify your problem with NGF.

NeoLord

NeoLord
10-21-2000, 05:56 PM
http://www.neogeostore.com [/B][/QUOTE]

Nice web site, NeoGeoStore! I might purchase some NGPC games from you this week.
I've tried Gamecave and a few other dealers for NGPC accessories and games, but
nobody seems to have enough of anything in stock. I' would purchase a copy of LB and
Card Fighter's Clash (SNK version).

NeoLord

BryLmoo
10-21-2000, 06:43 PM
All I have to say is, GET YOUR OWN FUCKIN FORUM AT YOUR OWN FUCKIN SITE BITCHES! SINCE NGF IS SUCH A FUCKIN RICH ASS COMPANY WITH SUCH A "LARGE" FAN BASE THEN WHY DON'T YOU GET OFF OF YOUR ASSES AND MAKE YOUR OWN fORUM!

-Who then now, bitches?-

Bryan -AGAINST NGF-

neogeostore
10-21-2000, 08:09 PM
Neolord,

Thanks for the compliment. Everything listed is in stock. Actually, we only have 2 each of SNK and Capcom versions of Cardfighters Clash left in stock.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

JRock917
10-21-2000, 08:09 PM
NGF is probably too busy swindling people to have their own forum. I guess big tymers dont need forums, just each other, if you know what I mean.

NeoLord
10-21-2000, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by neogeostore:
Neolord,

Thanks for the compliment. Everything listed is in stock. Actually, we only have 2 each of SNK and Capcom versions of Cardfighters Clash left in stock.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com


I'll be in touch! I'm glad to finally find a source for NGPC games. =)

Neo-jorge
10-22-2000, 04:43 AM
Oh what A bunch of Crap This is.....
I leave the forums for a day and All this
non-sense get's posted.....
Dion never said a Word to U TOM DUDE......
Stop making UP Your LIES......

Neo-jorge
www.neogeofreak.com (http://www.neogeofreak.com)

neogeostore
10-22-2000, 05:40 AM
Jorge,

Call Dion yourself. He'll confirm what I said. Hell, he even came over to my house last night and we met for the first time. I think we have established who is not telling the truth. You know, it's really a shame we are on bad terms. You and I did some killer deals. We had a good thing going. You know, I don't even care about the money or the cart anymore. I would just like you to admit you never paid me or returned my Ultimate 11 cart and we could be right again. It's too bad $305 caused all this. We probably could have made more money together.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

JRock917
10-22-2000, 08:17 AM
Well, look who came back from the black morass- its Jorge, excuse me, Jor-bot! Fully reprogrammed, and ready to stir even more shit up! Why dont you listen to mr neogeostore, and go climb back under the rock you came from?!? We have all been a witness to your exposure, and you could try to pull a Jim Baker and get up in front of everybody and cry and declare "I have sinned", and it still would not make a huge difference if any simply because you are not trying to be honest about your mistakes, rather you are trying to cover your ass. Jorge, since you spend so much time around the other members of NGF, I really am surprised you would cover your ass at all...but anyway, your presence here makes no sense and it has no place. Dont you have some fake carts to forge or something?

BryLmoo
10-22-2000, 03:13 PM
Well said...

JRock917
10-22-2000, 03:33 PM
like you man,

JRock -AGAINST NGF-

BryLmoo
10-22-2000, 09:39 PM
Yeah!!!!!!! KEEP IT ALIVE!!!!!!!!

-FUCK NGF-

Robi15
10-23-2000, 03:15 AM
Neogeostore>Did Dion gome over to you'r house for some sort of threating or are you just old pals?


Robi15

NGF- a sad story.

neogeostore
10-23-2000, 07:00 AM
Robi15,

I have known Dion for a couple years now (through Neo mailing lists and a few deals we have done), but this is the first time we have met in person. He is an acquaintance of mine. He came over to ask a favor--to clarify what he said Jorge Fernandez (Neo-Jorge) lied about. He wanted me to amend a post of mine, which I did. Dion said that Jorge was indeed lying about the fact that we never did any deals, but Dion claimed ignorance on the Ultimate 11 deal. Jorge and Dion are good friends. Dion knows that Jorge stiffed me, but he won't admit it publically because he doesn't want to rat on his friend. Of course, Dion didn't NEED to come over and see me, but he wanted to, so he came unannounced. He even followed someone through the front gate so he could surprise me.

Anyway, that's what happened. He didn't threaten me. He's way smarter than that. I'm not sure why he cares so much about what "I" say, while most of the other stuff posted about him is extremely negative. But I didn't want to knowingly post something that could be misinterpreted, so I modified the post. I suppose Jorge is going to post in this thread again saying that I'm lying and Dion never talked to me or came over. I'm just disappointed that my relationship with Jorge has soured. We had a great thing going with our PSX and N64 deals.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

Robi15
10-23-2000, 07:17 AM
Hmmm, for a moment I can not understand. This seems very pecular indeed...

Can this mean that Dion is conserned about you and you'r deal or is he kind of psyco, trying to play games?......Hmmm.

http://smilecwm.tripod.com/corky/corkysm28.gif

Robi15

neogeostore
10-24-2000, 12:08 AM
I don't know. It's difficult to see what's going on in his head. A few years ago when he was getting a lot of bad press on the DHP mailing list, he wanted me to pubically vouch for him saying I have only had positive experiences with him. I didn't do it.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

JRock917
10-24-2000, 06:24 AM
To be honest neogeostore, I dont see how you can ever understand what goes on in that convoluted mind of Dion's. In a way I am pleased he actually went through the trouble of helping to expose Jorbot by saying what he said to you, but I doubt his motives were, shall we say, "pure". Well, I just hope you dont get burned by him (again?) the same way you did by Jorbutt, I mean Jorbot.

neogeostore
10-25-2000, 07:07 AM
Dion has never outright burned me. He has sent me one thing when he was supposed to send another, but the carts were of comparable value (and I was happy to finally get something after waiting so long) so I didn't make a big deal out of it.

But all that was years ago. I'm out of the Neo home cart scene. By the way, I notice Jorge is actively posting on other topics. Come on, Jorge. How about one more post in this thread telling me once and for all that I have made everything up, that Dion never came over and talked to me, and that you don't owe me anything?

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

NeoLord
10-26-2000, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by neogeostore:
Dion has never outright burned me. He has sent me one thing when he was supposed to send another, but the carts were of comparable value (and I was happy to finally get something after waiting so long) so I didn't make a big deal out of it.

But all that was years ago. I'm out of the Neo home cart scene. By the way, I notice Jorge is actively posting on other topics. Come on, Jorge. How about one more post in this thread telling me once and for all that I have made everything up, that Dion never came over and talked to me, and that you don't owe me anything?

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

(crickets)

neogeostore
10-27-2000, 03:56 AM
I didn't think so.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

chimpmeister
10-27-2000, 09:42 AM
Hey Tom, don't mind NeoLord, he's just a bit out of it sometimes . . . http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

NeoLord
10-27-2000, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by chimpmeister:
Hey Tom, don't mind NeoLord, he's just a bit out of it sometimes . . . http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I knew Neo-Jorge wouldn't accept Tom's challenge, which is why I replied with (crickets).
No offense, Tom -- I just had a feeling you wouldn't get an answer. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by NeoLord (edited October 27, 2000).]

neogeostore
10-28-2000, 12:51 AM
I knew what you meant, NeoLord. =)

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

JRock917
10-28-2000, 08:08 AM
Jorbot is too busy telling lies to respond to you right now anyway, Tom.

neogeostore
10-28-2000, 05:50 PM
That may be true. Since he is the lone NGF defender, he definitely has his work cut out for him. But if he lies with such ease, I don't think he'll have a problem denying his crime one more time.

Tom
http://www.neogeostore.com

JRock917
10-28-2000, 09:08 PM
Well it looks like he is going to leave anyway, according to his post in the war room; I guess he wants to get out of town before he gets shot. Hell, I would have like to have seen Jorbot tell the truth just as much as anyone else, although I would never bet on it.

Moria/the one
10-30-2000, 08:12 AM
jorbot sux kack! Just like NGF and dion suck kack. Fighting a looseing battle.. Neo jorge sux kack!
and your gotto sux kack! har har har... Oh yeah your lies suck kack too.....