NGF restock clarifications

This question is directed towards Shawn, but I think it has to do with the rest of the forums as well. I have noticed the changes in the Neo Store reflecting the NGF-USA stickers being applied to your merchandise. I was wondering what the case was with the new Samurai Shodown 3 and King of Fighters '99 carts received from NGF. Were these carts and manuals similarly tagged? Also, with regards to the US KOF2K, is the manual tagged along the same lines, or only the cart? I find it highly peculiar that these changes were not noticed and reported initially.

Sincerely,

Mikhail
www.shockmatrix.com

The SS3’s, KoF 99’s and KoF 2k’s are not with me at the moment to check. The more expensive home carts are kept in AR for security purposes until I get insurance at my current location in Memphis. This weekend I will update the remaining carts when I get a chance to inspect.

Was the KoF 2k manual tagged by ngf? Of all people, you should know. The insert and manual are already freaked with their URL.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shawn:
Was the KoF 2k manual tagged by ngf? Of all people, you should know. The insert and manual are already freaked with their URL.

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My manual was not tagged and I have not heard mention from anyone else of their manual being tagged. However, many people are not careful at noticing certain things, many in fact never even looking at their manuals or inserts up close.

Sincerely,

Mikhail
www.shockmatrix.com

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kiselgof:
My manual was not tagged and I have not heard mention from anyone else of their manual being tagged. However, many people are not careful at noticing certain things, many in fact never even looking at their manuals or inserts up close.

Sincerely,

Mikhail
www.shockmatrix.com

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Uh, I think what he means is that the "U.S." KOF2K manual has the NGF URL on the back of it, in big ugly letters. I'd call that "tagging", and consider that it ruins the manual for all intents and purposes. That's one reason I'd never consider purchasing that cart, the other being the ridiculous price.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chimpmeister:
Uh, I think what he means is that the "U.S." KOF2K manual has the NGF URL on the back of it, in big ugly letters. I'd call that "tagging", and consider that it ruins the manual for all intents and purposes. That's one reason I'd never consider purchasing that cart, the other being the ridiculous price.

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Also I think someone pointed it out earlier in a forum discussion. Look REAL carefully at Hinako's moves....you'll notice that NGF messed up and placed Whips picture in there instead. Take a look at the offical Japanese version and you won't see that. I don't think SNK printed that manual.....or the mistake would have been in both manuals.....just my thoughts....

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shawn:
The SS3’s, KoF 99’s and KoF 2k’s are not with me at the moment to check. The more expensive home carts are kept in AR for security purposes until I get insurance at my current location in Memphis. This weekend I will update the remaining carts when I get a chance to inspect.

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Shawn,

I noticed that the NeoStore has been updated to reflect NGF stickers on the Samurai Shodown 3 and KOF99 Japanese carts. Does this mean that the manuals for these games similarly have stickers permanently attached to them? This may present a problem if NGF similarly places stickers on the manuals of their recent restock, thus rendering hundreds of new carts as "tagged" by a certain distributor and thus less collectible.

Sincerely,

Mikhail
www.shockmatrix.com

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kiselgof:
Shawn,

I noticed that the NeoStore has been updated to reflect NGF stickers on the Samurai Shodown 3 and KOF99 Japanese carts. Does this mean that the manuals for these games similarly have stickers permanently attached to them? This may present a problem if NGF similarly places stickers on the manuals of their recent restock, thus rendering hundreds of new carts as "tagged" by a certain distributor and thus less collectible.

Sincerely,

Mikhail
www.shockmatrix.com

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You are assuming that they are posting the truth to their website, first of all. Then you are also assuming you will be buying a cartridge that passed through their hands. Just make that a prereq before ANY cart purchase, if it has been 'crumped,' just say no..... They lied about KOF2k, why believe them at all......

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mouse_Master:
You are assuming that they are posting the truth to their website, first of all. Then you are also assuming you will be buying a cartridge that passed through their hands. Just make that a prereq before ANY cart purchase, if it has been 'crumped,' just say no..... They lied about KOF2k, why believe them at all......

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Keith,

The reason for the assumptions is based on the previous indications that NCS received stock through NGF. If that was indeed true, then it is entirely possible that some of this new stock may end up going through larger retailers. I would simply like to receive more information from Shawn to be on the lookout should new restocks take place.

As for NGF lying regarding the production status of KOF2K US, I will be the first to state that I personally have doubts to the credibility of their initial statements. However, although Dion has in the past broken down and admitted to some of his previous misleading statements, he has not commented on this most recent case in any way other than to reiterate that this was fully produced by SNK-Japan.

We may remember Dion's earlier statements regarding official SNK produced European versions of Shocktroopers 2 and other games with the orange stripe. Upon being pressed by the community, he admitted to falsely describing those items (I don't think he ever admitted to lying per say, but DHP archives can be checked). If some individuals, as yourself Keith, are adamant about the false misrepresentations, or should you be so blunt as to call them "lies," regarding the KOF2K US origins, I would urge for a direct mass inquiry to Dion to demand the truth.

Sincerely,

Mikhail
www.shockmatrix.com

Yes, that was me who caught the discrepancy which nobody seemed to care about. But, what does it matter? People will believe whatever they so wish about anything, no?

The Samurai Shodown 3’s and KoF 99’s were freaked, just as all the home carts were. All carts have the NGF sticker on the side, all manuals have ngf stickers within. They chose the same spot in the KoF 99’s. Very well hidden, but there nonetheless. At the very bend of the manual, turned sideways. Just flipping the pages casually, you could easily miss it. You must once again turn page by page to find them. They say the cart sticker was there for warranty purposes. As if anyone would return a cart to dion for repairs. What possible excuse could they have for ruining the manuals?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kiselgof:
Keith,

The reason for the assumptions is based on the previous indications that NCS received stock through NGF. If that was indeed true, then it is entirely possible that some of this new stock may end up going through larger retailers. I would simply like to receive more information from Shawn to be on the lookout should new restocks take place.

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It seems kind of odd that there would be another large collection of games. It is assured that they did not come from SNK, because if they did, NCS or VGD would have gotten them. Even if the larger retailers offered them, do you know what kind of backlash would be received over those stickers? It would be TREMENDOUS!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">As for NGF lying regarding the production status of KOF2K US, I will be the first to state that I personally have doubts to the credibility of their initial statements. However, although Dion has in the past broken down and admitted to some of his previous misleading statements, he has not commented on this most recent case in any way other than to reiterate that this was fully produced by SNK-Japan.

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Throughout all of these, they never really broke down and came clean, they just modified their story, and changes the wording on how things were presented. They never did say, 'Yes, we lied, they were not prototype carts, but MVS carts converted to home carts.' The only real way to trace what is going on is to track the inconsistencies.....

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">We may remember Dion's earlier statements regarding official SNK produced European versions of Shocktroopers 2 and other games with the orange stripe. Upon being pressed by the community, he admitted to falsely describing those items (I don't think he ever admitted to lying per say, but DHP archives can be checked). If some individuals, as yourself Keith, are adamant about the false misrepresentations, or should you be so blunt as to call them "lies," regarding the KOF2K US origins, I would urge for a direct mass inquiry to Dion to demand the truth. B]

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Well, the house of cards they have built toppled with that post to their site. That is why I call it a lie, but I guess you do not see it that way.

They claimed that 100 copies of the game existed, and now they happen on 'more.' I could care less about the quantity, they never should have screwed up by naming that quantity. Now they are trying to collect almost $700 for the game.... Artificially trying to increase the market value of the game.... Tactics of scammers unfortunately.....

Posted to NGF's site:

"We regret to inform all people that we will not be getting the restock of more English KoF2000 AES cartridges. Our recent meeting with SNK to bring more AES cartridges of the English KoF2000 proved pretty much impossible. We really tried to get more copies, but it seems that SNK only had a few hundred copies of the Japanese version. They have been and are being sold to many retail places world-wide. Many places have already started restocking and reselling the Japanese version again at new lower prices of under $199.00
Luckily we still have a small hand full of the limited English KoF2000 in stock. Price is $689.00"

Maybe they are trying to duck the posts they saw here when they got back. And I don't think anyone is gonna buy their NEW restock, since they will no doubt sticker everything up again.

>They claimed that 100 copies of the game >existed, and now they happen on 'more.' I >could care less about the quantity, they >never should have screwed up by naming that >quantity. Now they are trying to collect >almost $700 for the game.... Artificially >trying to increase the market value of the >game.... Tactics of scammers >unfortunately.....


>We really tried to get more copies, but it >seems that SNK only had a few hundred copies >of the Japanese version. They have been and >are being sold to many retail places >world-wide. Many places have already started >restocking and reselling the Japanese >version again at new lower prices of under >$199.00 Luckily we still have a small hand >full of the limited English KoF2000 in >stock. Price is $689.00

I don't want to sound paranoid, but this sounds exactly like what RyoGeo(?)(maybe someone else?) said a few weeks ago, about the flood of KoF2k's. NGF flooded the market with the japanese version, cut the price, then made more "limited" US KoF2ks' at a huge premium. Hoping supply and demand would drive the asking price of the "US" KoF2k sky high. All I'm saying is it seems awfully suspicious. I think this is a Dion plot.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gokusama26:
I don't want to sound paranoid, but this sounds exactly like what RyoGeo(?)(maybe someone else?) said a few weeks ago, about the flood of KoF2k's. NGF flooded the market with the japanese version, cut the price, then made more "limited" US KoF2ks' at a huge premium. Hoping supply and demand would drive the asking price of the "US" KoF2k sky high. All I'm saying is it seems awfully suspicious. I think this is a Dion plot.

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Who supplied BuyRite? I have heard a couple stories, but I don't want to spread rumors.... I do think that whoever did supply the KOF's to BuyRite took a loss on the carts because SNK was trying to sell some stock off @ $230/cart, so SNK would not have dropped much below that price point, but I could be wrong. BuyRite must have bought what they have for around $150/cart....

Anyone have the 'inside track' at BuyRite?

Problems with NGF are not finished and I hope that we will have their point of view of this case.

It’s safe assume everything NGF says is a lie until proven true.

Hey Shawn, why not file a complaint with the Bureau of Consumer Protection in Nevada about dion and NGF? Here is their link that I got from the Nevada Attorney General's site: http://bcp.state.nv.us/

Here is one directly to the complaint form: http://bcp.state.nv.us/Complaint.htm

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The reason for the assumptions is based on the previous indications that NCS received stock through NGF. If that was indeed true, then it is entirely possible that some of this new stock may end up going through larger retailers.

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Well, unless NCS have suddenly adapted the "let's lie about everything" policy Dion is so well known for, I was told by the operator that they didn't need to go through NGF, that they have their own supplier. This was back when I ordered KOF 98, 99, and Sengoku 2 on cart, I asked if their restock was hurt by NGF buying up so many home carts. Susan (I hope I got her name right) said what they (NGF) do won't affect them, and that they have their own sources for games.

Personally, I think NGF and their supporters like to get little rumors like that (large retailers getting stock from NGF) circling in the community to make it seem like NGF is the complete and final source. It also helps to undermine reputable dealers and increase paranoia towards them. Like I say, NGF=life-sucking cancer. It's gonna be a sweet day when they eventually go under. Patience...



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[This message has been edited by Lou Gojira (edited April 04, 2001).]

"Many places have already started restocking and reselling the Japanese version again at new lower prices of under $199.00. Luckily we still have a small hand full of the in stock. Price is $689.00"

Hey everyone, most stores do stock pens and sell them at about $1 for a box of ten, but don't worry! I still have three or four left here for $40 each! I haven't even chewed on them that much! Email me at NeoRasa@aol.com for shipping and handling information.