Send an email to EGM/Game Informer: everyone can help

vincewy · Jun 15, 2002

HI all:

With Shawn trying very hard to sell his games at Neostore, I'd like to ask everyone to do this, which doesn't take much time, it'll also help increase awareness of Neo-Geo, possibly helping Shawn selling a few more games.

Please send a brief, polite email to EGM, telling them that Neo-Geo is still alive and games are still available, and all they have to do is mentioning this briefly in the letters section (same thing happened when Atari Jaguar/Lynx and Turbo Duo games could only be purchased via mail order), the emails are

feedback@gamers-inc.com <feedback@gamers-inc.com>

and

egm@ziffdavis.com <egm@ziffdavis.com>

and the body of the email is

"Dear Sirs:

Of all the consoles that are currently in the market, I'm happy to let you know that Neo-Geo is still one of them.

With the demise of SNK, Playmore of Japan has inherited the rights of the system, including Neo-Geo coinop and console. Furthermore, the last few releases on console have English versions for US/European markets, available from:

<a href="http://www.neostore.com" target="_blank">http://www.neostore.com</a>

It'd be helpful if the magazine would just mention this briefly in the letters section.

Best regards"

You can paraphrase a little bit. I know most gamers are into 3D but there're always a few that like 2D (we are among them), the more emails they get like this, the more likely they'll mention it in the magazine. Even if your time is limited, just click on the email address and paste that quick message and add a title like Neo-Geo is still alive, which would take you about 30 seconds.

Vince

[ June 16, 2002: Message edited by: vincewy ]

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: vincewy ]

Kert · Jun 15, 2002

Just tell Shawn to advertise the NEOSTORE on EGM. I think that would work a lot better then writing letters to EGM. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

POOPERSCOOPER · Jun 15, 2002

The neo geo gets mentioned once in awhile in EGM, usually when there is a port, but they always diss it because of it's high prices and aged hardware. Do you really want to spread the word about neo geo? More people will get it then the prices will go even higher than they are now. I would love to spread the joy of neo geo but I'm having a tuff enough time just trying to keep up with the high prices right now, imagine if we get more collecters here.

Lord Illicious · Jun 15, 2002

Originally posted by POOPERSCOOPER:
The neo geo gets mentioned once in awhile in EGM, usually when there is a port, but they always diss it because of it's high prices and aged hardware. Do you really want to spread the word about neo geo? More people will get it then the prices will go even higher than they are now. I would love to spread the joy of neo geo but I'm having a tuff enough time just trying to keep up with the high prices right now, imagine if we get more collecters here.<hr></blockquote>

Mostly agreed.
Dont wanna start anything negative but if ya wanna sell more games then Shawn should at least pay to place an ad in EGM.

Also, i think neo prices are way to high and i doubt no matter how much advertising you do - you will only atract collectors which will up the price even more.

I think Shawn sells his games at way high prices and kills it for the rest.
Why spend more money on a cart when ya can get it for less somewhere else? Thats whats killing his sales too.
Circle K a cart and ya have kosher lentil soup ya fuck.

From DSD:
what a cheap ploy to get the members here to round up funds to line shawns pocket...you ppl want to support the neo geo and see prices go down,buy else where...shawn should pay the ad space instead of conning his board members into doing his dirty work and makeing him more money...why doesnt shawn post his own topics

christopher belmondo · Jun 15, 2002

i think it's a good idea and not cheap or what ever !
you think about prices and that you have enough problems to collekt and get the games,so stay in your little world !

i want the neo stay alive with future releases !
more people know about means more custumers,this means a higher pruduction number of the games,a bigger market ,this will show that there is still a market for the neo and they will produce more games !

so easy,but with a nearby dead market..who likes to make new games ?

people ,come out of your little world and star think,it's for our all good !

have a nice day !

and thanks vincewy for the tip !

and one point is right,if shawn wants more custumers he can make some ad !
should be no problem !
but what i see here is only a neo fan who trys to keep his beloved hardware a live !
go on !

Lord Illicious · Jun 15, 2002

Originally posted by vincewy:
HI all:
help increase awareness of Neo-Geo<hr></blockquote>

What would that be? That Neo Geo has become a money making hobby and a tupperwear showoff for rich hoes?

If there was still success in SNK today then we would prob be playing KOF2002 (in 3D) on a 128 bit SNK CD system but instead now its only about money.

Lord Illicious · Jun 15, 2002

Originally posted by christopher belmondo:

i want the neo stay alive with future releases !
<hr></blockquote>

So to do that is to help Shawn sell his games?

Nah i think thats cool but theres a better way to get even way more "Gamers" into the scene.

Write to gaming Companies who are in the near perfection of these types of games like:
Capcom
Namco
ARC SYSTEM WORKS
etc etc

Write to them enough and let them know that there are "Gamers" that would support them if they get the rights or even get a license to make Neo games on the new console systems out there.

That will be the greatest support and advertising possible.

I dont see any Gamers that collect all Sony, Xbox, Nintendo, Atari, Squaresoft, Rockstar etc etc games just cus one game is good unless they all was about 600 to 2400 percent higher than a normal priced game.

Yea i want Neo to stay alive and i will stay with my sane awareness.

less than joseph · Jun 15, 2002

This cant hurt. Ill write mine lata.
-joseph

Caris Nautilus · Jun 16, 2002

EGM doesn't give a shit about the Neo, Dan Elektro said it pretty clear, gaming mags don't care about niche systems, since he tried a bunch of time to get stuff into gamepro about neo.

Getting 50 people to email them, or even 100, isn't gonna do anything. Maybe 2,000 would, but good luck, there isn't 2,000 real members on this board, and shawn cant even sell 500 aes carts with 3,000 members here.

[ June 16, 2002: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]

GregN · Jun 16, 2002

Mostly agreed.
Dont wanna start anything negative but if ya wanna sell more games then Shawn should at least pay to place an ad in EGM.

Also, i think neo prices are way to high and i doubt no matter how much advertising you do - you will only atract collectors which will up the price even more.

I think Shawn sells his games at way high prices and kills it for the rest.
Why spend more money on a cart when ya can get it for less somewhere else? Thats whats killing his sales too.
Circle K a cart and ya have kosher lentil soup ya fuck.

From DSD:
what a cheap ploy to get the members here to round up funds to line shawns pocket...you ppl want to support the neo geo and see prices go down,buy else where...shawn should pay the ad space instead of conning his board members into doing his dirty work and makeing him more money...why doesnt shawn post his own topics

<hr></blockquote>

Good to see an alternate viewpoint expressed here.

Again I find myself on both sides of the fence.

Shawn pretty much has the monopoly on new releases (!Arcade! and all other importers probably get them from Shawn a day later than neo-geo.com get them straight from Osaka).

On the flip side, you have to admit, neo-geo.com is making things happen. That's something you can't flinch at.

I don't like to see prices shoot up either - hell, I've had a home cart system for 7 years and I've had less than 30 games in that time. I'd like to see prices drop as much as the next guy.

So write the letter. It can't hurt. If nothing else, it will generate interest in the Neo Geo, which may eventually lead to more ports on other systems.

And when that happens, everyone can die happy.

[ June 16, 2002: Message edited by: GregN. ]

Caris Nautilus · Jun 16, 2002

Let the Neo die in piece, stop crying over it, you can't save him.

It's like a 98 year old man on life support, and you guys keep trying to find new ways to keep him living for another year. Pull the plug and get over it! lol

Shiftyfink · Jun 16, 2002

I think we should all just be happy with the games that are available and a "Bonus" game that makes it out every once and a while. Think about it. Would you want to be the one to pitch the idea of a Neo Game to the President of Namco? Not if you wanted to keep your job you wouldn't.

"Ok boss, I got an Idea. Lets make a new game for a 10 year old system. Now this is the best part, it doesn't even use DVD or CD technology. It uses EPROMS. Yeah I know CD's only cost us a $.50 but I could sell about 1000 of these games for $300! Ummm, you mean if we make an XBox or PS2 game we can sell over a 1,000,000 of them in a week for $50 a piece? Ummm, but 200 people wrote me and said..... Oh you mean it costs between $100,000 - $500,000 to make a game? But, but,.... You mean we could make more money off of making a Dreamcast game... No sir I didn't see DC games on the release list. Ok I will tell them."

Bottom line its about the almighty $$$.

Blaine · Jun 16, 2002

Originally posted by Drift King EX:
EGM doesn't give a shit about the Neo, Dan Elektro said it pretty clear, gaming mags don't care about niche systems, since he tried a bunch of time to get stuff into gamepro about neo.<hr></blockquote>

Yeah, and it's not like he's an intern there or anything, he's bonafide (thank you 'O' Brother Where Art Thou?'), if he can't get Gamepro to blurb, I don't think a bunch of people writing letters to EGM will pull it off.

Not to discourage you guys, go for it, hell I hope I'm wrong.

candycab · Jun 16, 2002

I think Shiytflink has said it best.
Enjoy what is availible and dont expect anything new.
And also Drift King is right . The neo is dead !
Its nice to dream , but that is reality.

Good Luck with it anyway though , well you are at it you might as well send one to every game mag ?

But Im pretty sure they could care less about any of us or the Neo at all, and that it will be disregarded as junk mail and probably not even read to begin with.

Click_Stick · Jun 16, 2002

EGM is hopeless nowadays...

steveold · Jun 16, 2002

There was a time where EGM gave coverage to the Neo Geo and supported the games, especially World Heroes. The old EGM crew loved the WH Series like no other gaming magazine did. (I remember issue #60 where they gave WH2Jet the "Game of the Month" honors, that was pretty cool)

But times change. Nothing you can really do about it..

Mark of the Wolves · Jun 16, 2002

Mark MacDonald the Executive Editor of EGM like the Neo-Geo. One of his favorite games is 'Nam 75. So I say e-mail him or Shoe.mark_macdonald@ziffdavis.com and shoe@ziffdavis.com Or post this at their message boards. <a href="http://egm.gamers.com" target="_blank">http://egm.gamers.com</a> and click talk to the editors. I doubt this will happen though because mostly mainstream gamers read the mag and they don't give a fuck about a niche system like the Neo Geo. EGM doesn't even cover the Arcade anymore. So Do as you wish. I recommend simply posting the topic on their message board.

$hockwave · Jun 17, 2002

i would have to agree with drift king it is sad but true the neo is having a slow death ever since the neo pocket died in the us with the compitision with nintendo on the gameboycolor and that is where i beleive snk lost alot of there money and started losing alot but what is done is done there is nothing you can do about it if you want newer games on the neo get a mvs because they wil probly not make any more homecarts after kof 2002 because for instance shawn brought us 500 copies of sengoku 3 but he still has alot of them for the english version atleast. think of it this way if playmore realeased a new mvs 2 that had backward compatibility with the mvs 1 and supported lets say 256 bit graphics then you would probly have a new system worth getting that people these days seem to enjoy from what i have experinced in the past 5 years ever since the n64 was created all the gamers i know do not look at the holw picture but the iceing on the cake what i mean by this is that everybody i seem to come across is that they look at the graphics not the game itself perfect exaple is of capcom vs. snk 2 since it does not use complete 3-d the game sucks compared to tekken and sould calibar but the play is completely different one is push buttons and the other is motions but in order for more games that we enjoy to come there has to be a much bigger following like the dreamcast once the ps2 came out the basicly thru it out the window but did not reach its full potencial and therefor ignored by alot of gamers to keep a system going on this long you need atleast an upgade an to send an email to egm,game informer they will most likly dis the game like i have read in many reviews like this game is like a 2gen snes game like a read in a game informer reveiw on msx for psx but we should be thankful for what we have recieved from this system but never forget it as i and many other people have fond memories with this system.sorry for the very long post

Eclipse · Jun 17, 2002

Really, I think the home cart market is more like icing on the cake. It brings in a few bucks, but without MVS sales, I really doubt we'd see any Neo games at all.

When I was in Japan last month, A LOT of arcades had KOF 2001 running, sometimes on multiple machines. I also saw Metal Slug 4 in several places too.

When I saw this, I realized that the Neo may not be as near death's door as it may seem in the U.S. and Europe. (Seriously, over the years, how many times have people said the Neo is dead?) I saw KOF 2001 in nearly as many arcades as Virtua Fighter 4 and Tekken 4. This tells me that the MVS market is still profitable, at least in Japan. But hey, that's the home territory, so it's doing well where it matters most, right?

I'd say that with the relative ease of producing home carts thanks to how the Neo home system is designed, that's the real reason why we're still seeing new home releases. Really, all you need to do is write a new manual (most of the time, older manuals can easily be modified), design an insert (probably using artwork used in promoting the MVS games anyway), and slap a sticker on it.

Some guy in the U.S. says he's willing to pay $X per cart, and so they ship them out. There's little extra effort in making the home carts, so why not get the extra cash?

As I said, the MVS market is probably the meat & potatoes of Playmore's meals, but the extra bucks from home cart sales sure make a nice side dish.

Eclipse · Jun 17, 2002

Ummmm... as for the topic at hand, I say go for it if you want to write letters to EGM. I doubt it will do much good though, because I find it hard to believe there are very many Neo fans in the U.S. who DON'T know about neo-geo.com.

And for those folks who don't know about the Neo, I doubt a letter in EGM will gain very many converts who want to pay $300 for a videogame.

Although I'm not involved in the politics here, I'd say give Shawn a break. He's the only Neo seller I've dealt with who hasn't disappointed me in some way yet. Anything I've ever ordered from him has arrived quickly, was packed well, and was in excellent to mint condition. He's also been very straightforward and friendly in all of the replies to emails I've sent him.

As for Shawn's prices, well, when the demand for your product doesn't even break 300 units, you have to charge what you have to charge in order to remain a viable business. (I have no idea what Shawn's wholesale price is, but unless it's something like $20/unit, I wouldn't get too upset.)

Face it, the Neo's prices have always been like this. True, the cost of the technology to produce the games has likely come down substantially over the years, but remember, the demand has continuously dwindled too. Once you balance these factors out (and without knowing Shawn's wholesale price), I'd say his prices are fair.

Viewpoint · Jun 17, 2002

Originally posted by $hockwave:
i would have to agree with drift king it is sad but true the neo is having a slow death ever since the neo pocket died in the us with the compitision with nintendo on the gameboycolor and that is where i beleive snk lost alot of there money and started losing alot but what is done is done there is nothing you can do about it if you want newer games on the neo get a mvs because they wil probly not make any more homecarts after kof 2002 because for instance shawn brought us 500 copies of sengoku 3 but he still has alot of them for the english version atleast. think of it this way if playmore realeased a new mvs 2 that had backward compatibility with the mvs 1 and supported lets say 256 bit graphics then you would probly have a new system worth getting that people these days seem to enjoy from what i have experinced in the past 5 years ever since the n64 was created all the gamers i know do not look at the holw picture but the iceing on the cake what i mean by this is that everybody i seem to come across is that they look at the graphics not the game itself perfect exaple is of capcom vs. snk 2 since it does not use complete 3-d the game sucks compared to tekken and sould calibar but the play is completely different one is push buttons and the other is motions but in order for more games that we enjoy to come there has to be a much bigger following like the dreamcast once the ps2 came out the basicly thru it out the window but did not reach its full potencial and therefor ignored by alot of gamers to keep a system going on this long you need atleast an upgade an to send an email to egm,game informer they will most likly dis the game like i have read in many reviews like this game is like a 2gen snes game like a read in a game informer reveiw on msx for psx but we should be thankful for what we have recieved from this system but never forget it as i and many other people have fond memories with this system.sorry for the very long post<hr></blockquote>

That was a very nice post man but learn to space those paragraphs. It looks like a giant run on sentance.

FeelGood · Jun 17, 2002

Actually, there are probably a bunch of Neo fans that don't know about this site. I have been a hardcore fan of Samurai Spirits since '92/'93 so I spent most of my time at samuraispirits.net (back when it was cool). I didn't know about this sight until about seven months ago after I fell upon it experimenting with different SNK related URLs (IE: typed in samuraishodown.com and saw where it brought me, neogeo.com and saw where it brought me, etc).

As for EGM, screw 'em. I was a long time subscriber and I easily have 150+ issues stashed away and they were much cooler up until about issue 60 or so. When Ed left the shit hit the fan. You can send letters if you want, but if Shawn was really that worred about his sales he would try promoting the site a little and maybe cut a few prices here and there (or offer package deals, have the occasional sale, etc).

Ho hum...

vincewy · Jun 17, 2002

I agree on most part that most mainstream magazines don't care, but heck, it doesn't hurt trying, even if it's 1 in 1000 chance.

As far as Neo scene been dead, well, it is in US, look at Shawn's English home carts, he's having tough time selling even 300 of them. KOF 2001, in Japan, sold over 6000 copies during the first week of launch and was on top 20 with PS2 and GBA games, not to mention even more MVS cartridges at arcades in Japan, and other parts of Asia and Latin America.

"they wil probly not make any more homecarts after kof 2002"

This may be true for English version home carts, but I can assure you that in Japan, it'll keep going, New Power Instinct and Capcom vs SNK will all have home cart versions, luckily, I prefer Jp version home carts.

Liquid Snake · Jun 17, 2002

Originally posted by Drift King EX:
Let the Neo die in piece, stop crying over it, you can't save him.

It's like a 98 year old man on life support, and you guys keep trying to find new ways to keep him living for another year. Pull the plug and get over it! lol<hr></blockquote>

Too true.

I love Neo Geo (AES/MVS/CD/NGPC) and I'm a proud owner of it

But Neo is a thing of past
Yes, it does have games come out once awhile but people just don't give a fuck to this 11-year-old machine.

Do you think average people can spend fuckin $295 for one game?

You might say, "I've seen a lot of people join Neo world each day....."

How many of them can "stay" a bit longer without selling their collections on Ebay/Selling Forum?

People just can't afford neo shit

Telling EGM is just a waste of time action

BeefJerky · Jun 18, 2002

I wish there was something we could do... I really really do... The Neo is too far gone to reach out and grab it as it falls into the abyss... How sad... The least we can do is hold onto the sweet memory that has been our beloved Neo Geo. How many of us can't forget the first time we gazed upon the monitor of the sweet red cab? I know I won't forget... Let's just play what we have, and love it, and be grateful that such a thing ever existed.

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