No AES2 info=MAS system

Mike · Mar 21, 2001

Due to the dry season of information hitting the AES2 I have decided to go ahead and get the MAS system at a very attracitve $322 shipped.

Too bad !Arcade! can't release any info on this mystical system. Hopefully later on I'll pick one up but without releasing any info a lot more people are going to take the MAS route....

(I could have sworn I posted this before but someone deleted it...hmmmm....)

Comrade Porn King Mikhail · Mar 21, 2001

Originally posted by Mike:
Due to the dry season of information hitting the AES2 I have decided to go ahead and get the MAS system at a very attracitve $322 shipped.

Is MAS still operating on a reputable basis, or are obtaining this from a competitor such as HGA?

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CkY · Mar 21, 2001

He's right, im going supergun/nova route to.

searchingtom · Mar 21, 2001

I am building my own. I wish there was an alternative to HGA or MAS...

Maybe !Arcade! will surprise us at E3 ?

searchingtom

chimpmeister · Mar 21, 2001

Well, I'm not going to jump the gun and pick up a SuperNOVA. I've heard too many negative things about it, and especially about the company. HGA doesnt sound a lot better either.

Actually, I've heard from a reliable source that the video quality of the new supergun from !Arcade! will be FAR better than that of either the HGA or SuperNOVA. For that alone, I can wait. I already have the Phantom-1 MVS adapter, so MVS carts are covered on my home system.

The new supergun from !Arcade! should be excellent, based upon the quality of the adapter . . . I can wait.

searchingtom · Mar 21, 2001

Chimpmeister tell us more...

Is the !Arcade! product a supergun or an AES/supergun hybrid ? How are they making the main PCB, with a MVS mini or something ?

searchingtom

outsider · Mar 21, 2001

I've been waiting for this AES2 since I heard. I halted my search for an HGA/SuperNOVA when I heard.

The HGA/Nova dont seem to be the perfect solution due to some product support/quality issues, and I'm almost sure that the AES2 will be of alot better quality in terms of quality output and manufacturing quality....

Arcade's news about it though leaves ALOT to be desired. Ive made posts about the AES here before, all have gone unaswered.

Arcade's biggest weakpoint seems to be his inability to communicate to the NG community. Take for example how he launched his Phantom1 convertor. He put it on eBay w/o saying so much of a word here on the board. We found out when someone posted a link to the auction. A direct sales method to us would have worked better with the Neo community in my opinion. It's his business though, and he can run it however he wants. Look at his deal with Shawn, that could have meant some more bucks for him... but oh well.

NeoLord · Mar 21, 2001

Originally posted by outsider:
I've been waiting for this AES2 since I heard. I halted my search for an HGA/SuperNOVA when I heard.

The HGA/Nova dont seem to be the perfect solution due to some product support/quality issues, and I'm almost sure that the AES2 will be of alot better quality in terms of quality output and manufacturing quality....

Arcade's news about it though leaves ALOT to be desired. Ive made posts about the AES here before, all have gone unaswered.

Arcade's biggest weakpoint seems to be his inability to communicate to the NG community. Take for example how he launched his Phantom1 convertor. He put it on eBay w/o saying so much of a word here on the board. We found out when someone posted a link to the auction. A direct sales method to us would have worked better with the Neo community in my opinion. It's his business though, and he can run it however he wants. Look at his deal with Shawn, that could have meant some more bucks for him... but oh well.

Some of us tried to keep everyone informed on the AES II, but we were labeled as 'sell outs' because we had exclusive information that others didn't. I no longer wish to report on the AES II system for just that reason alone.

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chimpmeister · Mar 21, 2001

Originally posted by searchingtom:
Chimpmeister tell us more...

Is the !Arcade! product a supergun or an AES/supergun hybrid ? How are they making the main PCB, with a MVS mini or something ?

searchingtom

Well searchingtom, I wish I could answer your questions, but I don't have that kind of inside track to what is being planned. I did hear from a reliable source that the video quality will blow away the HGA and SuperNOVA. There are some amazing things being planned, but alas I do not have the details. I, like you, and many others here are waiting to see what comes out. I can tell you this, based on the quality and reliability of the MVS converter, I believe that future products will be really amazing! And, its nice that at least SOMEONE is supporting the Neo this late in the game, very few other systems ever had this kind of support, this late in their lifecycles . . .

RabbitTroop · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by searchingtom:
I am building my own. I wish there was an alternative to HGA or MAS...

Maybe !Arcade! will surprise us at E3 ?

searchingtom

Do you have any idea what it cost to display your warez at E3?

I doubt that is in arcade's business expenses for the year! But I will take lots and lots of pictures of it if it is there!

-Nick

outsider · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by NeoLord:
Some of us tried to keep everyone informed on the AES II, but we were labeled as 'sell outs' because we had exclusive information that others didn't. I no longer wish to report on the AES II system for just that reason alone.

Yes, that is why I pointed to you guys for info in a prior post. I didnt think of you guys a sellout's though, and I did appreciate the info. Alas, if there is not to be info, what can I do eh?

Just wait I guess.

chainsawyak · Mar 22, 2001

"I did hear from a reliable source that the video quality will blow away the HGA and SuperNOVA."

That really doesn't sound very possible to me... I've never used an HGA, but the Super Nova's picture quality is virtually flawless. It's just an RGB-NTSC convertor, and that's about the only thing Arcade could pop in the AESII to make it a Super Gun... That sounds more to me like wishful thinking from the group that's still holding out for an AESII... Like I said before, I think it's great that a company has the balls and ability to pull something like this off, but I only really see the Phantom-1 doing much to help out the Neo community... It sounds like they're barking up the wrong tree with the AESII.

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chimpmeister · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by chainsawyak:
"I did hear from a reliable source that the video quality will blow away the HGA and SuperNOVA."

That really doesn't sound very possible to me... I've never used an HGA, but the Super Nova's picture quality is virtually flawless. It's just an RGB-NTSC convertor, and that's about the only thing Arcade could pop in the AESII to make it a Super Gun... That sounds more to me like wishful thinking from the group that's still holding out for an AESII... Like I said before, I think it's great that a company has the balls and ability to pull something like this off, but I only really see the Phantom-1 doing much to help out the Neo community... It sounds like they're barking up the wrong tree with the AESII.

Actually, I have heard that the image quality from the SuperNOVA and HGA are FAR from "flawless". Composite output from those devices, from what many have posted here, is utter garbage. S-video output is said to be much better, but still BELOW the quality of the Neo CD s-video, or a modded home cart s-video. RGB output from a SuperNOVA would be very good, but how many people do you know who have RGB inputs on their TVs? Virtually none do!!

I agree that the Phantom-1 is a big plus for the Neo community, but the AES II or whatever it gets called, could be even bigger. Why? There are only a limited number of cart systems out there, and thats it. Over time, they break and wear out, and the number declines. If there is a source for NEW home cart systems, it could help revitalize the Neo Geo market. Coupled with the MVS to home converter, anyone could then play virtually any Neo Geo game, for a relatively low price. And, if the home system acted as a supergun, it would be even more amazing, allowing people to play arcade PCBs at home.

Anyway, time will tell. I'll certainly be watching to see what develops . . .

Yoshi · Mar 22, 2001

I have to agree with chainsawyak. While the AES II could have a built-in RGB->NTSC convertor, I cannot imagine that the quality would be lightyears beyond what is currently available. In addition, you would lose the ability to play other PCBs. That is a very bad trade off, especially since the AES II would likely run in the $500 neighborhood.

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chainsawyak · Mar 22, 2001

"Actually, I have heard that the image quality from the SuperNOVA and HGA are FAR from "flawless". Composite output from those devices, from what many have posted here, is utter garbage. S-video output is said to be much better, but still BELOW the quality of the Neo CD s-video, or a modded home cart s-video."

Well, see, that's just what you heard. A lot of people say a lot of dumb things to make their home cart system look better than everything else. The picture from a Super Nova is virtually flawless, you need to see it before you can comment. The Neo Cart system with S-Video mod is far from the quality of the Super Nova S-Video, the same with the cart system's Composite. The Super Nova's composite is pretty bad, but as I've said before I was able to put up with it a lot longer than the cart system.

I've thought about it more today, and there's no way in hell they could include and RGB-NTSC convertor in the AESII and keep the price tag at $350... RGB-NTSC convertors range from anywhere between $150-$200 from what I've seen, and that would push the price tag way up. It seems like a pretty extraneous feature if you ask me... What does a Super Gun have to do with playing Neo Geo games? Why would anyone buy their Phantom-1 convertor if they could just as easily hook a 1-Slot board into it their AESII for a quarter of the price? This whole thing raises a lot of questions that don't make sense...

Mike, you made the right choice. I've owned my MVS board for about 2 weeks now, and once you get an MVS board hooked in to it you will wonder why the hell you ever considered buying home carts.

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bwi · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
RGB output from a SuperNOVA would be very good, but how many people do you know who have RGB inputs on their TVs? Virtually none do!!

Nearly everyone in Europe does , seems like you yanks get the shit tvs then , RGB is more or less a standard over here. Without it we couldnt play import machines (unless we use crap NTSC-Pal converters)

Bri

searchingtom · Mar 22, 2001

Unless I am mistaken, the standard home console has a RGB to NTSC converter in it, as the main pcb generates in RGB - correct ?

searchingtom

Big Bruno · Mar 22, 2001

Here is what you need for a rgb to ntsc convertor

Capacitors
(2) 10 microFarad electrolytic
(3) 220 microFarad electrolytic
(2) 0.1 microFarad
(1) 20 picoFarad variable

Integrated cuircuits
AD722, made by Analog Devices...PDF attached.

Resistors
(3) 75 ohm

Clock or Crystal
3.58Mhz

Power supply
5V DC power supply.

Input/Output
(1) S-Video/Composite Video output
(3) RCA input

Other
Breadboard
wires

everything would cost you around $30 plus labor. This is if you buy everything indivdualy from a radio shack or parts outlet. bulk is way cheaper

Yes every neo has a built in RGB to NTSC convertot becuase native is RGB. I have owned a super gun and I will also say that an SVHs Neo display is as good or better then a Super gun. Although this is all dependent on the chips used. You can get a better display chip for a sharper image and I am sure after 10 years their are some better ones out thier.

On the AES II, I will also say it is probably going to be awhile before it surfaces. maybe this year maybe next. I know there are some other products being released this year but I am not sure if the AESII will make it out or not.

The biggest thing you miss on playing Neo on a mvs board is Options and menus. especialy on the older game and big titles like KOF and lastblade. but if you like always playing in team mode or not doing time attack or training then MVS is good.

Also on playing games by using a jamma modified neo. YOu can play all 4 button games and with a little creativity you can play 6 button as well. the Extra joystick harness is not hard to adapt just an extra connection. Just passing on some info of what I know.

chainsawyak · Mar 22, 2001

"Nearly everyone in Europe does , seems like you yanks get the shit tvs then , RGB is more or less a standard over here. Without it we couldnt play import machines (unless we use crap NTSC-Pal converters)"

Well, us yanks do have the old Commodore RGB monitors, but the biggest those get is like 13". We also have component video, which I've heard is equal to or better than RGB. I think the NUON and PS2 are the only systems that can use component video at the moment, but I'm sure all future systems will use it.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking about an RGB-NTSC convertor in terms of the seperate parts, I was thinking of it in terms of a Super Gun (which is just the $150 ones in a box) I still stand by the fact that it is an extraneous feature though. Also, the question still remains as to why they would give someone the ability to strap a $100 1-Slot MVS board on the AESII and still charge $400 for their Phantom-1 convertors. It just doesn't make sense...

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Ukyo · Mar 22, 2001

My friend ordered a system from HGA and it didn't work...he ended up sending it back

He bought it so he could play Capcom's Warzard on CPS3, but it never ended up working.

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1otaku · Mar 22, 2001

i will be geting a Super Nova and a 6-slot MVS this next week. I'm really looking forward to this sweet set up, and was glad to see somebody else post about this set up.How do you switch between games on the MVS unit tho ?I've also got Zed Blade and Blazing Stars coming. Should be sweet!
Take care.

1otaku · Mar 22, 2001

i will be geting a Super Nova and a 6-slot MVS this next week. I'm really looking forward to this sweet set up, and was glad to see somebody else post about this set up.How do you switch between games on the MVS unit tho ?I've also got Zed Blade and Blazing Stars coming. Should be sweet!
Take care.

RabbitTroop · Mar 22, 2001

I don't recommend a 6-slot on a supergun... the power required to run that board, and the overall size of it probably will not work with the supergun. I would recommend a one or two slot (especially since why would you need the slots if the thing is right in front of you and easy to change games).

-Nick

outsider · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by nruva:
I don't recommend a 6-slot on a supergun... the power required to run that board, and the overall size of it probably will not work with the supergun. I would recommend a one or two slot (especially since why would you need the slots if the thing is right in front of you and easy to change games).

I agree with Nick, if you still got time, get out of that 6-slot. Ive heard nothing but problems using those with superguns. A 1slot would satisfy me just fine, or even a two at most.

-Nick

1otaku · Mar 22, 2001

Awww.. Hell No ! Man, I really hope it does work with my Super Nova. The reason I got the 6-slot is compared to the prices of the others i've been seeing I got a great deal for an english board. I'll be able to sell/trade the 6-slot if I can't use it tho. I really hope I can. I wanted at least a 2-slot for the audio outs and home joystick ports, and I'm getting this one for about $50 more than a 2-slot, so I figured what the hell. I'll be able to work it out if I can't use it, but it WILL be a pain in the ass! Thanks for the advice tho. If anyone else has any advice let me know. You can e-mail me at neogeo@apci.net if you want.
Take care.

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