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Tarma
06-11-2002, 10:51 AM
I was browsing through some early issues of Edge magazine last night reading up on their reviews of classics such as Fatal Fury Special, Samurai Shodown, Pulstar, and Top Hunter among others.

Now back in the day Edge used to print a very comprehensive Release Schedule for new software on the formats of the time (SNES, MegaDrive, PC Engine etc.) including the AES and Neo CD.

So, I was looking at the release schedule for the Neo Geo in Edge Issue 2 (November 1993) and it looked something like this:

October Samurai Showdown
Undecided Art of Fighting 2
Undecided Top Hunter
Undecided Magician Lord 2
Undecided Reactor
Undecided Fatal Fury Special

The two titles that obviously caught my eye were Magician Lord 2 and Reactor.

I looked through the following months issues of Edge and both these games were continually listed.

Now, I've heard stuff in the past about the myth that is Magician Lord 2, but what's Reactor?
The only other info provided is that it would be a combat game...
Does this mean that Magician Lord may exist somewhere in proto format along with this Reactor game?

Anyone else heard of Reactor for either MVS or AES?

[ June 11, 2002: Message edited by: Tarma ]</p>

christopher belmondo
06-11-2002, 11:04 AM
Good question Tarma,would like to know my self about !
the rumour about magician lord 2 is so long there,but about this reactor game i hear the first time from you !

no idea what this could be,and i'm not new to the game hobby !

hope somebody know about !

Tarma
06-11-2002, 11:07 AM
If I get time I'll scan the magazine and somebody can upload the image.

Edge are no fly-by-nights, they're one of the most respected magazines in the industry, so the info must have come from either SNK or a reliable source at the time of printing.

Scalpeur
06-11-2002, 12:25 PM
Well, I think this is a mistake.
I think the game your are dealing with is "Reaction" and not "Reactor".
I think so because both "Reaction" project and "Magician Lord 2" project were thought to release in 1995 and also because the 2 names are very close!(Reaction and Reactor) ;)
As a consequence, if the game you are dealing with is "reaction" than it seems it was the first name for Pulstar.
:)

Scalpeur
06-11-2002, 12:27 PM
or of course, the name "reaction" can be false and the other : "reactor" can be the true first name for Pulstar ;) .

Kazuya_UK
06-11-2002, 12:53 PM
Look on the master list - Reaction is rumoured to have been the working title for Pulstar, as Scalpeur mentioned. I got confused with this when I made a prototypes screenshot page for my site until someone emailed me and pointed it out.

FeelGood
06-11-2002, 01:53 PM
Bonus Question:
What was Blazing Star's original title?

neojedi
06-11-2002, 02:18 PM
Blue Harvest? :D

SuperGun
06-11-2002, 02:56 PM
It is true what was said earlier. Reaction has come to be known as the original working title for Pulstar. It would also make logical sense as the game Pulstar is pretty much about testing a players reactions. It is R-Type-ish in gameplay which of course is a "surgical shooter". One in which firing at will and continuing endlessly is NOT permitted and gives no results. It takes a serious gamer with serious skills to beat games like Pulstar. A true test of ones reactions!

I would like to state however that when Reaction was first rumored...it was in Die Hard Game Fan magazine and it was thought to be the first "sonic" for the neogeo. In other words, it was going to be their "mascot" in a platformer type game. This of course proved to be false later on.

Lastly, as for Magician Lord 2...this is perhaps the most teasing title ever reported. Almost every magazine got that report and went with it. Truth is, someone who used to work for SNK (I will keep them anonymous for now) told me that the game is 100% completely false and invented. They did so on purpose during this time period merely to keep the neogeo hype and interest up. So sadly, their really never was nor will there ever be a magician lord 2.

Billy

Tarma
06-11-2002, 03:01 PM
It maybe that Reactor/Reaction is a confusion over the beta title for Pulstar. However, as I said, Reactor was put down as a combat game, not a shoot 'em up.

This Reactor title was supposed to be a fighting game, not a shoot 'em up like Pulstar.

Perhaps, this is even why the name was changed from Reaction to Pulstar, and that the Reactor title just never passed proto stage.

aria
06-11-2002, 03:06 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>Bonus Question:
What was Blazing Star's original title?</strong><hr></blockquote>


"Success Joe in Space"

SuperGun
06-11-2002, 03:06 PM
for the record...here are some of the other "working titles" that over the years have come to be "falsely interpreted" as possible protos.

Pulstar = Reaction
Soccer Brawl = Cybernetic Soccer = Power Kick Soccer
Sengoku = Battle World
Ghost Pilots = Ghost Fighter
Mutation Nation = Dream Over
Breakers = Crystal Legacy
Legend of Succes Joe = Tommorrow's Joe = Boxing
League Bowling = Bowling
Neo Drift Out = Drift Out '94
Ganryu - Musashi Ganryuki

aria
06-11-2002, 03:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SuperGun:
<strong>for the record...here are some of the other "working titles" that over the years have come to be "falsely interpreted" as possible protos.
<hr></blockquote></strong>

Very true: World Heroes was supposed to be titled "Overrated" <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

Loopz
06-11-2002, 03:35 PM
Metal Slug 4 was also code named Environmentally Friendly Recycled Korean Crap.

Shou-sama
06-11-2002, 04:10 PM
[quote]Bonus Question:
What was Blazing Star's original title?
<hr></blockquote>
Pulstar Blast

MarrymeMai
06-11-2002, 04:21 PM
All the proto titles are cooler than the final titles. "Dream Over." Now THAT'S just kickin'. "Mutation Nation" sounds corny.

FeelGood
06-11-2002, 04:26 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Shou-sama:
<strong>
Pulstar Blast</strong><hr></blockquote>

BONUS!

Wake up poor player.

Liquid Snake
06-11-2002, 04:53 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>[/qb]

Very true: World Heroes was supposed to be titled "Overrated" <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL

Herzog Drei
06-11-2002, 07:33 PM
Honestly,in one german magazine 'reactor' was stated as one of the titles for 'King of fighters'(94??)!! <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

As for 'Magician lord 2'-that title was even rumored to be FINISHED by ADK!!

As long as one of the games doesn't surface,i wouldn' bother thinking about them!!

IF there is ANYTHING that far as it could be released,you can count on !Arcade! & co. to release it somwhere,sometime!! <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

If not-then forget about it!!

SamuraiShogun
06-11-2002, 10:24 PM
Does anyone remember the old Chips and Bits ads in magazines?Around the thime of the CD release,there were several games that were to be released,that they had prices for anyway.
Now I know that C&B isn'tm exactly the most reliabe of sources,but at the time it was pretty tantalizing.
The titles I remember are:
King of the Athletes
Shinryu Senki
Firm Guy (terrible name)
There wre more,I'll have to see if I can find an old Gamepro mag or something.

BIG BEAR
06-11-2002, 11:03 PM
[quote]Originally posted by MarrymeMai:
<strong>All the proto titles are cooler than the final titles. "Dream Over." Now THAT'S just kickin'. "Mutation Nation" sounds corny.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hahah.. That one "stuck out" to me as I read as well!! What a cool title name "DREAM OVER"
Damn! Why did'nt they go with it??
That's SNK for ya..
-BB

the_move
06-12-2002, 06:38 AM
[quote]Originally posted by christopher belmondo:
<strong>Good question Tarma,would like to know my self about !
the rumour about magician lord 2 is so long there,but about this reactor game i hear the first time from you !

no idea what this could be,and i'm not new to the game hobby !

hope somebody know about !</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was once offered the Magician Lord 2 prototype by Maro Ulm for 1800 Deutsch Marks.

Thatīs 2 years ago! I wonder who purchased it!

Neo Bomber Man
06-13-2002, 06:24 AM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>Bonus Question:
What was Blazing Star's original title?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Was is Pulstar Blast or Pulstar 2? I forget.

Icebraf
06-19-2002, 02:43 AM
does anybody has any screenshots of Magician Lord 2 ?

jbeedham
06-20-2002, 10:15 PM
Magician Lord 2 would be cool but better yet would be a Samurai Shodown 5!

Setsuna1982
06-21-2002, 08:29 AM
I rather prefer a new Magician Lord or even an upgraded Blue's Journey better than any Garou/SamuraiShodown/KOF/LastBlade/fighting game.

Neo is LOADED of fighting games. What we need is a Sonic or a Yoshi's Island. King of the monster 3 would be cool too (If they do it correctly... I'm afraid they would use the style of Prehistoric Isle 2 but it's too serious for a KOM game)

waku7
06-21-2002, 08:30 AM
I was once offered the Magician Lord 2 prototype by Maro Ulm for 1800 Deutsch Marks.

Thatīs 2 years ago! I wonder who purchased it!

Hey
A friend of mine had a magician lord 2 copy for around 600USD.
But in fact, the ngh number was...common.
a serial like snegoku, or shitty game like that.
it was a boot.
he sold it 800usd to a uk neogeo jap collector.
but don't know WHO.

waku7
06-21-2002, 08:34 AM
like snegoku, or shitty game like that.

===&gt; sengoku is not a shitty game.
i don't say that.
but if the game had a really strange ??? ngh, it was great.
If i remember well there were only 2 levels.

kernow
06-21-2002, 08:56 AM
I was reading DHP from 94 and there was a lot of talk about reaction being the working title for 'top hunter'

probably lies mind you

BioMotor_Unitron
06-22-2002, 05:56 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Tarma:
It maybe that Reactor/Reaction is a confusion over the beta title for Pulstar. However, as I said, Reactor was put down as a combat game, not a shoot 'em up.

This Reactor title was supposed to be a fighting game, not a shoot 'em up like Pulstar.

Perhaps, this is even why the name was changed from Reaction to Pulstar, and that the Reactor title just never passed proto stage.<hr></blockquote>

Does it actually use the word "combat" or does it say it is a "fighter/fighting" game?

"Combat" could easily describe a game like Pulstar, or any other shoot-'em-up, but fighting is pretty much always interpreted as "Cut Them, Punch Them, Make Them Bleed."

[ June 22, 2002: Message edited by: BioMotor_Unitron ]</p>