NGF dispute forum open at VGB

In a fair and honest to God attempt to help resolve this rift that has torn the Neo Geo community into halves, I have opened a completely neutral forum at my site for the resolution of Neo Geo Freak disputes. The rules are posted at the top and should be read by everyone that wants to make a post.

The two most important is that in order to post you must have a registered EzBoard Account, and secondly that you must have had an actual deal with Neo Geo Freak that you wish to discuss openly.

The rules are fair and are set up to keep the forum civil. This is not an attempt to start any fights or any flame wars. It is simply an attempt to rejoin this disfunctional family into something that isn't so visibly divided into factions.

So, I invite everyone to drop by the VGB board and look around. To post your questions (civily) in the Neo Geo Dispute Forum. To be mature about this whole matter.

And before you flame me, I want to state clearly that I will remain neutral throughout this process, and that this forum was set up with the best intentions for everyone, so please treat it with at least that much respect.

The site is: http://www.videogamebible.com The message board link is in the nav bar, and the forum is the last one on the bottom.

Andy

dude you are digging your own grave, but your idea is honorable. <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0">

wait wait...i'm just providing a space...it's that simple. i am completely neutral in this, and I hope that any attacks against me will be defended by those like you who see the honor in this. Thank you.

I'm just curious about something...and I think we need to get it out of the way...Does anyone here have any negative feelings toward what I'm trying to do? Does anybody think that I have some hidden intentions or some bias toward NGF? I'd rather field them here and now than corrupt a neutral area with personal attacks directed toward me or my site, or any of the guys that have worked so hard to make the site a nice place to visit. I'll appreciate and respect everyone's candure. Thanks in advance.

Andy

Don't lose sight of your website's "main intentions" You should add a "small news section" in your Neo Geo area warning the community about what those two grease balls did to you.
Remember,don't sully your website with a forum,they don't deserve it especially when you can share your experience,warn people and be just as affective...
-BB

I bet $10 that this board you propose will turn into a flaming/trashing festival. I highly doubt any NGF employee (either of them) are going to jump into the lava over there in order to defend themselves, so all you will have is a bunch of disgruntled customers flaming away and going unheard.


I'm sure it's going to be fun to read though <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0">

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: FeelGood ]

VGB ,you cant be neutral with this thieves,
look what happened to you..

One thing you should keep in mind before deciding on making your proposed forum a permanent, established institution is that NGF thrives on any sort of attention, be it negative or positive. I agree with Big Bear in that NGF doesn't "deserve" a forum dedicated solely to the discussion of their various antics.

I highly doubt any NGF employee (either of them) are going to jump into the lava over there in order to defend themselves

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Don't count on it. I've been in this scene long enough to know that Dion will go to insane lenghts in order to stifle negative criticisms directed towards his, erm, "business ventures." The only reason you don't see them here raising a ruckus is because they've been effectively horned off via dilligent moderation...

Instead of a forum where trolls (NGF sanctioned and otherwise) will no doubt be abound, you might want to consider dedicating a page where people can submit "NGF experiences" to you via e-mail, and if these writings come off as seemingly authentic, you can opt to post them to the page for all to see. This approach might be better, and perhaps more objective, than a forum free-for-all.

However, if I were you, I'd probably just give my initial idea a try, and if you find your new forum project too awash in trolls and flames, give my suggestion a try instead, or just drop the whole thing entirely.

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: DolphinLord ]

Oh, you better believe they will respond. Have you seen the mailing list? That has got to be by far both the funniest and saddest stuff I have seen. They have no concept of why people are so unhappy with them - I think they watch too many mob movies. They want to be the Scarface of the Neo scene - act tough and piss people off because they are the only source for the product (right...)

I especially love the part where ChrisR compares NGF to Jesus and Muhammad Ali. Where else can you read stuff like that?

The real dilemma with the NGF situation is that the only way to get them to go away is to totally ignore them. But if you do that, new people to the scene will get shafted by them because they don't know any better. The louder you yell at these guys, the louder they yell back.

your missing the whole point of what NGF has done.

you ask them what the think of Neo-geo.com and Shawn and they well tell you it is a fansite run by a fan. They will also say Shawn is a "big tymer" wanna be

you ask them about conversions and products from other companys and people such as the shock boxes they well tell you it is crap and to not deal with these people.

you ask them about SNK and they well tell you it was a loser company and they are the neo-geo.

it is not just about bad deals...it goes far beyond that.

I believe you should search the DHP archives, read the forums here along with thier own and even ask vincewy his oppinion on the whole matter.

Or do you think people made all this up over the years as well.

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: Big Bruno ]

Well I certainly appreciate what everyone has said so far. Just to clear up a few things...the page is most definately not permenant. If it turns into nothing but a flame war area, I'll just yank the forum, it'll take me all of 2 seconds.

And I'm staying neutral by not posting any comments about NGF or any experiences that people have had at all in the forum.

I'm not trying to expose anyone, or blame anyone. Chris and Dion are both going to be at the site to answer questions...this was the agreement. I'm just trying to burry the hatchet in the Neo Geo community...that's all. And I know, I've probably opened pandora's box by even bringing up the whole subject...but I think if everyone just keeps the flame posts down, it might actually work out.

Seemps pretty quiet so far...that's a good thing, I think. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Thanks for your support so far, and I hope things really work out for the best. Take care all. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Andy

Well I appreciate the effort and if it was with anyone else besides NGF like Buyrite for that matter it would be ok. But I would venture to say as a whole the Neo community wants nothing to do with NGF.

Originally posted by Video Game Bible:
<STRONG>Well I certainly appreciate what everyone has said so far. Just to clear up a few things...the page is most definately not permenant. If it turns into nothing but a flame war area, I'll just yank the forum, it'll take me all of 2 seconds.

And I'm staying neutral by not posting any comments about NGF or any experiences that people have had at all in the forum.

I'm not trying to expose anyone, or blame anyone. Chris and Dion are both going to be at the site to answer questions...this was the agreement. I'm just trying to burry the hatchet in the Neo Geo community...that's all. And I know, I've probably opened pandora's box by even bringing up the whole subject...but I think if everyone just keeps the flame posts down, it might actually work out.

Seemps pretty quiet so far...that's a good thing, I think. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Thanks for your support so far, and I hope things really work out for the best. Take care all. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Andy</STRONG>

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Oh well,another forum NGF will -USE- to promote their GARBAGE! It's nothing to debate.
Dion -USED- the Shaolin Venoms forums for his promotion of NGF and then disappeared and he'll do the same thing to you.
NGF has a "fan based" website already to promote their propaganda!
They don't program or manufacture SHIT!
They are a buyer of SNK product who rape these products of their authenticity claiming that what they do is somehow better and worth more! They misrepresent,they decieve,they lie & they cheat praying on one of man's weakness which is 'GREED'
There's nothing to debate...
Anybody can 'HOARD' Neo Geo product and vandalize it! NGF had done 'NOTHING' that can't be duplicated!
I GIVE THEM NO CREDIT FOR SHIT!
SNK was a screwed up company in the way they did things -BUT- one thing they did right was keep the Neo Geo obsessed DUO out of the "SNK inner circle" and they can't get over that! They were on the outside looking in just like everyone else!
Those FUCKERS used to purchase items from me! Not the other way around..and I thank them BOTH for their patronage...
Happy New Year NGF!
-BB

Originally posted by Video Game Bible:
<STRONG><snip> I'm not trying to expose anyone, or blame anyone. Chris and Dion are both going to be at the site to answer questions...this was the agreement. I'm just trying to burry the hatchet in the Neo Geo community...that's all. <snip>

Andy</STRONG>

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Problem is Andy, there is really no "hatchet" to bury. NGF shot their reputation long ago, through continual scams and ripoffs directed at people in the Neo Geo community. The list of their violations is a very long one, and there really is no way they'll ever be "rehabilitated", which is what you seem to be aiming for.

As a few examples, swapping their fake inserts in for original SNK ones, adding stickers and stamps to original home cart (thereby damaging them permanently in some cases), and scamming the community with fake KOF2K "English" and Zupapa "English" home carts are a start. Also ripping off people like Gargoyle7 (Lee), Mouse_Master, Shawn and others. The list goes on and on . . .

As for limiting your special forum only to people who were ripped off, I don't think thats entirely fair. For example, everyone is aware of the situation with the fake "English" KOF2K cart, where NGF took what was probably an original SNK designed insert/manual/sticker and replaced them with their own polluted copies (which all showed their fake name on them). This kind of situation, and the Zupapa cart, and many other such cases should be brought to the attention of people in the community as well. Chris and Dion will never admit that they faked the KOF2K "English" cart, but SNK has confirmed that themselves, so there's no further question about their actions on this issue. All of these things should be brought forward, not just personal cases of being ripped off (of which there are many).

I would like to be the first to welcome Andy and welcome his web site and exchange discussion board. We welcome all NeoGeo AES, MVS, CD, and emulator fans to come post. We will answer all curious on-lookers, looky-Lous, and all other interested parties with answers to the most common and intriguing NeoGeo questions. This site and our answers will help everyone who joins in - including the ever so shy "Jonny-come lurkers."

thank you,

Dion
NGF-USA www.NeoGeoFreak.com

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What a joke! <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Keep it coming, Dion!

Originally posted by Dion FLUFFY Dakis-The biggest THEIF in the Neo Geo community:
[QB]I would like to be the first to welcome Andy and welcome his web site and exchange discussion board. We welcome all NeoGeo AES, MVS, CD, and emulator fans to come post. We will answer all curious on-lookers, looky-Lous, and all other interested parties with answers to the most common and intriguing NeoGeo questions. This site and our answers will help everyone who joins in - including the ever so shy "Jonny-come lurkers."
thank you,

Dion
NGF-USA

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A "feeble" attempt to lure more greedy people into thinking their missing out on something! Anybody who deals with the SCUM from this day forward I can't wait untul you get "burned" and "burned bad" you want this SCAMMER to disappear?? DON'T SUPPORT this FUCK! Let him enjoy all of his raped and vadalized merchandise with his boyfriend!
If you purchase those "shitty vandalized carts" DON'T think about pawning them off here because the stuff is worthless!
-BB

As much as I hate NGF I don't think it's fare to them to have a forum up just to discuss "their deals" especially on your website (See Below as to what this really means).

The Neo Geo has such a niche fan bass that you should instead change it to a place where people can post about all Neo Geo transactions. Idea: Have a few seperate forums for people who do mass amounts of business: Neo-geo.com, NGF, Buyrite, NCSX, !Arcade!, etc., etc. Then have a sepereate forum for individual transactions for people who do bussiness elsewhere in the community: e-bay, Neo-Geo.com selling forum, etc., etc.

What this really means.

You cover your ass in starting an all out war against NGF. This way you are just helping everyone in the Neo Geo comunity find the best place TO and NOT TO buy from. I think it would be a great service to the Neo Geo collectors everywhere.

Hope that helps,

Criterionradiohead <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Ok, some good points, and I'm listening to everyone.

The forum is temporary, and everyone is welcome to post about anything Neo Geo related in any of the other forums seperated for any game subject...but eventually, this forum will become a Neo Geo exclusive forum since it has such a cult following.

Now, the reason that the forum is only for people that have dealt with NGF for now is to keep it true to life, with no hear say. I've heard a lot of things about NGF...hell, a lot of it within the last few days right here. And it sounds like most of you have had a bad deal with NGF, so it won't be a problem for most to post I'm sure.

As for the KOF cart, if you bought one and it was fake, please, let us know! This is the type of thing that you should post over there. If you have a problem with them in general, and you haven't dealt with them, just post the question in the main game forum...I'm sure they'll get around to it eventually...or someone else will anyway.

So I hope to see some people posting over there...cause it's really for everyone. Someone had some problems with inserts yesterday...they should post. And anyone that's bought a cart that turned out to be fake...man, post some photos for everyone. This is your chance to vent this type of thing with an audience.

Thanks again everyone. Keep the suggestions coming.

Andy

Just to make it convenient for those of you who are interested -- just click my sig image and you'll be right at the main message board. The NGF one is at the bottom. I personally haven't dealt with them, but I'm gonna be cautious if I ever do, just because they don't have a very good reputation. I think that all Andy is trying to do here is have a place where only the facts (from both sides) will be exchanged. All too often, posts about NGF get into flame wars, and it's hard to tell what really happened and what really didn't happen.

Anyway, if you get a minute to post something about your experience, stop on over. If you're not registered at ezboard, you don't have to be to post. Hope to see some of you guys over at the board.

Gee!

Why are you still talking about that two losers, Dion and Chris!

Just try to forget and ignore them!

A noble idea...but severly flawed.

No matter how much you try to be the Koffi Anan of the Neo scene your sentiments are wasted. The vast majority of people on this site literally hate NGF. They want them to disappear, to go, to leave the scene - like it was just a bad dream.

Your forum will solve nothing. Nobody here will objectively listen to what NGF have to say because there is nothing objective for them to say.

You think NGF are going to apologise for what they've done to the scene and individuals?

NGF are habitual liers. You don't need a forum for that - you need councelling.

The people here have been so badly treated and their anger runs so deep nothing you do will change anything.

NGF will lie through their teeth to preserve any customers they have left. All those former customers who NGF have upset won't take any bs off them.

Theo only result you will get is that both sides agree to disagree.

If you really want to see peace in the Neo community the only thing you can do is get NGF to go - FOREVER.

As someone said earlier in this thread - you are digging your own grave with this. You'll get dragged down with NGF, neck deep in shit - and you'll end up with no credibility, just like them.

If you really want do something like this do what Doliphinlord has suggested - for your own sake.

My two cents.

Well, I gotta say that I'm a little surprised. I figured that I would have to empty the entire forum due to flames, but it seems that everyone has shown great restraint in this area. And just for the record, I don't see how I am attached in any way to NGF any more than I'm attached to this board. We just offered the place and time, not the content...but again, thanks for the restraint. You've all treated me with respect, and I haven't received a single negative comment about this.

The forum will stay open for the duration of the week, and then it will turn into a Neo Geo forum for discussion about the system and it's games. I'd appreciate any posts from anyone on the board as most of you are recognized throught the community as being very knowledgeable, and I would enjoy your membership at the site.

Thanks to everyone for being so curtious, and I hope to see everyone around from time to time.

Andy

You've clearly had quite a few people looking at this forum (GOOD <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> ) but no decent responses (BAD <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0"> )

It is good to see people have respected your wishes and not turned your forum into a flame war. However, so far besides one of your staff writers, yourself and Dion only one person has contributed - he hasn't got a clue why you've set the forum up! <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

People are going to find it hard to confront NGF without launching into a barrage of abuse - they've upset people that much.

I'll be suprised, but pleased for you, if you get a major discussion going - loks like the post count is gonna be low.

Originally posted by Tarma:
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No matter how much you try to be the Koffi Anan of the Neo scene .</STRONG>

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heh


i like dion,personally


not for what he does

but i aint gullible enough to deal with him,so im sorted


but i like him cos hes a genius


i truly believe hes a comical genius


and the best bit


he probably BELIEVES in them things he does and says


respect is due

Originally posted by Video Game Bible:
<STRONG>Well, I gotta say that I'm a little surprised. I figured that I would have to empty the entire forum due to flames, but it seems that everyone has shown great restraint in this area. And just for the record, I don't see how I am attached in any way to NGF any more than I'm attached to this board. We just offered the place and time, not the content...but again, thanks for the restraint. You've all treated me with respect, and I haven't received a single negative comment about this.

The forum will stay open for the duration of the week, and then it will turn into a Neo Geo forum for discussion about the system and it's games. I'd appreciate any posts from anyone on the board as most of you are recognized throught the community as being very knowledgeable, and I would enjoy your membership at the site.

Thanks to everyone for being so curtious, and I hope to see everyone around from time to time.

Andy</STRONG>

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I dont understand why you do this, there are
nothing to discuss,they ripped you of
face it, like they ripped of others.
It make s me think?? are you one of them??
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