Edge (the UK's most respected Magazine) Review Rage of the Dragons

NeoDragoN

custom rank,
20 Year Member
Joined
Feb 6, 2001
Posts
7,379
I was totally surprised by this (and i'm sure fellow UKer's will be) but Edge have indeed reviwed Rage of the Dragons. I cannot remeber the last time they review'd a NGH but i gurantee it was proberbly around 1998. They gave ROTD 7/10 which is a very good score in Edge (only 4 games have ever got 10/10) i will type up the whole review later!! on a side note they gave Metroid Prime a 9/10 (see what i mean very harsh), the other games that got 7/10 were Biohazard 0 and Kingdom Hearts so that puts it in to perspective that 7/10 is a very good score.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: NeoDragoN ]</p>
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
WTF?

I've got a sub to Edge and I haven't had the latest issue yet! It's not due out until next week!

Where'd you get a copy from so quickly?

But, if this is true, as a long time reader of Edge I can attest to the fact that they're very strict on scores so a score of 7 (max it can get is a 10) is very very respectable.
I mean Starfox got a 6 and Animal Crossing got 8...
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
Forgot to say...

The last NeoGeo game Edge reviewed was Pulstar on ngcd and they gave that an 8!!! <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />
 

elbarto

Super Spy Agent
Joined
May 6, 2001
Posts
615
Originally posted by Tarma:
<strong>WTF?

I've got a sub to Edge and I haven't had the latest issue yet! It's not due out until next week..</strong><hr></blockquote>Exactly what I was thinking.. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

Good to see it getting in the mag.
 

Robert

,
20 Year Member
Joined
Dec 18, 2000
Posts
5,748
It proves that good magazines not only judge appearences. I hope that KOF 2002 will be also tested.
 
Joined
May 26, 2002
Posts
230
Originally posted by NeoDragoN:
<strong>I was totally surprised by this (and i'm sure fellow UKer's will be) but Edge have indeed reviwed Rage of the Dragons. I cannot remeber the last time they review'd a NGH but i gurantee it was proberbly around 1998.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: NeoDragoN ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

1995 actually...

the ROTD review is the tip of the iceberg in this issue...

December 23rd= N-day
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
Originally posted by gozaimas:
<strong>

1995 actually...

the ROTD review is the tip of the iceberg in this issue...

December 23rd= N-day</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, but how has NeoD got a copy so early??

I'm suprised, although pleasantly so, that Edge has decided to review RotD. However, it is hardly in keeping with the magazines policy of reviewing 'the latest cutting edge games'. They haven't reviewed anything remotely Neo Geo related for ages (although metal Slug gets mentioned here and there, albeit on PSX) and titles like Garou far surpass RotD technically and gameplay wise.

Is this a permanent u-turn or just a one-off return like the Ikaruga review a few months back (Dreamcast had been dropped from the front of the mag for several months prior to the game's review).
 

NeoDragoN

custom rank,
20 Year Member
Joined
Feb 6, 2001
Posts
7,379
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> i have'nt got a copy i got these scores from another website. :D

Later meaning Later Date.....
 
Joined
May 26, 2002
Posts
230
Originally posted by Tarma:
<strong>

Yeah, but how has NeoD got a copy so early??

I'm suprised, although pleasantly so, that Edge has decided to review RotD. However, it is hardly in keeping with the magazines policy of reviewing 'the latest cutting edge games'. They haven't reviewed anything remotely Neo Geo related for ages (although metal Slug gets mentioned here and there, albeit on PSX) and titles like Garou far surpass RotD technically and gameplay wise.

Is this a permanent u-turn or just a one-off return like the Ikaruga review a few months back (Dreamcast had been dropped from the front of the mag for several months prior to the game's review).</strong><hr></blockquote>

apparently some indes have been selling the mag early. It only got back from the printers yesterday so you're very fortunate if you can find one. The office are sending my copy out tomorrow (and copies to shawn and buster this week ;) ).

*whispers* In terms of whether this is a one off or not...we'll see. As long as Playmore keep releasing them I'll kep trying to get them in there. Its taken a fair amount of petitioning to get the ROTD and MS4 reviews in this month but they are there. The huge neo collecting feature in this issue is a BIG deal- and will raise a lot of eyebrows worldwide over the coming months. We'll see how this thread devlops then...see you in a few pages time...
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
If that guy is right on Edge-Online how on earth do you justify a 7 rating for MS4?

Have you played MS1,2,X, or 3???

Man, you are setting yourself up for some serious flaming... the game is TERRIBLE! By Edge's standards it rates at about 3 or 4.

I hope for your sake you haven't written that review, because it looks as if I will be writing a nasty letter to Editorial. I'm all for giving the Neo Geo more publicity but I won't stand for mis-information being given out in a first class mag like Edge.

If Contra gets 6 and Starfox gets 6 and the Getaway gets 6 MS4 is NOT a 7 by any stretch of the imagination. It's seems quite obvious you've not been objective. I'll go beserk if I read any crap about MS1 being £1,500 as well because that's over $2,000...

Your intentions are good, but if it means Edge doesn't continue covering Neo Geo to stop misjudged info going out then so be it.

I've read the magazine for too long and know too much and care too much about Neo Geo for them to produce a bastard son because YOU thought it was a good idea... :mad:
 

Plisken

Snaaaaaaake!,
Joined
Oct 14, 2002
Posts
3,487
Edge gave Dead To Rights a 6, which is my 2nd favouritte game of the year :(
 
Joined
May 23, 2002
Posts
521
Just to add my 2p worth (without trying to start a flame war i got my girlfirend to play MS4 and she loved it! you and i both know it's not the best of the series by a long shot but it was the first slug she played and it is a lot of fun. if you look at it comparitavly with other games of it's genre (i believe the Edge rating system means something like 5= totally average, 6=better than average [if you like the genre you'll like this), 7=fun [if you don't care about the genre you still might find this fun], 8= buy IT [no matter what])

sooo by this logic MS4 does deserve a 7 as it IS FUN to play and the point is to compare it to other types of game in the genre NOT THE PREVIOUS GAMES.

ALso well done for edge to include a few neo games it's not the future but it does fit in with the hardcore readership.

thanks!!
 
Joined
May 26, 2002
Posts
230
Originally posted by Tarma:
[qb]If that guy is right on Edge-Online how on earth do you justify a 7 rating for MS4?

Have you played MS1,2,X, or 3???

Man, you are setting yourself up for some serious flaming... the game is TERRIBLE! By Edge's standards it rates at about 3 or 4. <hr></blockquote>

Wait til you read the review- its just a number at the moment. The text explains the thinking.

Of course I've played all the slugs- don't be so patronising.

MSx scored an 8 in the mag a while back. It was debated whether the game should score 6 or seven- In the end it came down on the side of distinguished. The game is inferior to X and the score represents that. It is still a competent pastiche of the series so far.

I'm all for giving the Neo Geo more publicity but I won't stand for mis-information being given out in a first class mag like Edge.

If Contra gets 6 and Starfox gets 6 and the Getaway gets 6 MS4 is NOT a 7 by any stretch of the imagination. It's seems quite obvious you've not been objective.<hr></blockquote>

The getaway is severely flawed all around. The port of contra is laughable with the key elements that made the original removed. MS4 is not a mess of a game by any stretch of the imagination to the readers we write for. I do not doubt there will be flaming but I stand by the decisions made.


I'll go beserk if I read any crap about MS1 being £1,500 as well because that's over $2,000...<hr></blockquote>

The last US slug sold from the store was way over $2000. But anyways, all the prices are listed in dollars and have been chosen by Shawn.

Your intentions are good, but if it means Edge doesn't continue covering Neo Geo to stop misjudged info going out then so be it.

I've read the magazine for too long and know too much and care too much about Neo Geo for them to produce a bastard son because YOU thought it was a good idea... :mad: <hr></blockquote>

Look- for goodness sake- calm down. You haven't even read the bloody mag so stop your tantrum, take a deep breath, stop shouting about how well informed you are and how misinformned I am. Go out, buy the magazine. and then be constructive in what you say. ok?

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: gozaimas ]</p>
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
Originally posted by Voltamp:
<strong>Just to add my 2p worth (without trying to start a flame war i got my girlfirend to play MS4 and she loved it! you and i both know it's not the best of the series by a long shot but it was the first slug she played and it is a lot of fun. if you look at it comparitavly with other games of it's genre (i believe the Edge rating system means something like 5= totally average, 6=better than average [if you like the genre you'll like this), 7=fun [if you don't care about the genre you still might find this fun], 8= buy IT [no matter what])

sooo by this logic MS4 does deserve a 7 as it IS FUN to play and the point is to compare it to other types of game in the genre NOT THE PREVIOUS GAMES.

ALso well done for edge to include a few neo games it's not the future but it does fit in with the hardcore readership.

thanks!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry fella, but that's not how the magazine works at all. They've even stated themselves that they're not going to commit themselves to what the 'average' is.
On a scale of 1 - 10 inclusive then 5 is the average, no?

Majority opinion seems to be that either MSX or MS3 is the best MS game. Now going on what you've just said Edge would rate those titles at 9.

Edge always takes into account previous incarnations - to see how the developer has evolved the gameplay and with technology (if the series is appearing on a new format).

On these grounds MS 4 would not score a 7. Compared with other titles in the genre it would not score a 7. You're straightaway putting the game up against Contra on PS2.

PS2 contra (although not the greatest game out there) is superior in every respect to MS4 yet it scores lower? WTF? Where's the continuity in that?

MS4 is 'fun' for a five minute blast, it is not 'fun' for a $300 homecart.

Using the Edge system MS 4 would rank at no higher than 4. Seeing as the sprites are all ripped off from previous slugs and the gameplay is so tedious and repetitive compared to its predecessors then I can see why Edge didn't review it at time of release.

Indeed it must be some what embarrasing reviewing a game 6 months after it came out when Edge is at the forefront (supposedly) of video game journalism.

I am now busy sharpening my knives, waiting for the new issue to hit my entrance hall floor.
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
Originally posted by gozaimas:
<strong>

Look- for goodness sake- calm down. You haven't even read the bloody mag so stop your tantrum, take a deep breath, stop shouting about how well informed you are and how misinformned I am. Go out, buy the magazine. and then be constructive in what you say. ok?

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: gozaimas ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, if MS4 is good and not the mess you make out then why are Mega Enterprises NOT developing any further Slug games?

The game is poor, period. It is inferior to PS2 contra and that in itself is a flawed game. I never said the Getaway wasn't flawed...

MSX deserves an 8 rating. It is probably the pinnacle of the series. Although the graphics are dated by next gen standards the animation is amasing and the gameplay vitually flawless. You couldn't really pick a more perfect defining game of it's genre.

MS4 uses ripped sprites, inadequate animation and repetitive gameplay. It does not come near MSX in any regard and is inferior to MS3 in every conciveable way.

It's funny to see how all snotty you get just because you're the so called journalist and i'm not...

Well, I'll be interested to see Shawn's evaluations on pricing. Shawn does not stick to market prices, he uses his own system for guaging values, largely to the disgruntlement of many members here. He does not even adhere to his own price guide... well it's more FTL's in terms of composition but Shawn's name is on it.

Shawn does sell quality neo product - I would not dispute that. However, it is over priced compared to true market value and therefore those prices are generally ignored when evaluating something for private sale either here or on eBay. If you take everything Shawn says as gospel (with the greatest respect to him) you are a fool.
 
Joined
May 26, 2002
Posts
230
Originally posted by Tarma:

MSX deserves an 8 rating. It is probably the pinnacle of the series. Although the graphics are dated by next gen standards the animation is amasing and the gameplay vitually flawless. You couldn't really pick a more perfect defining game of it's genre.

MS4 uses ripped sprites, inadequate animation and repetitive gameplay. It does not come near MSX in any regard and is inferior to MS3 in every conciveable way.

<hr></blockquote>

I agree and, when you read the review, you will see that in no uncertain terms this is made clear. That is why the game scored less than these titles.

It's funny to see how all snotty you get just because you're the so called journalist and i'm not...<hr></blockquote>

:eek:

I cannot quite believe you just wrote that. I have in no way been snotty here- I was calmly putting across my point.

Your pov is perfectly reasoned and acceptable- but to score ,ms4 at 4 would have been expressing more your disatisfaction at Mega than an actual appraisal of the gameplay on offer in ms4- the thing that edge is ultimately reveiwing.

Well, I'll be interested to see Shawn's evaluations on pricing. Shawn does not stick to market prices, he uses his own system for guaging values, largely to the disgruntlement of many members here. He does not even adhere to his own price guide... well it's more FTL's in terms of composition but Shawn's name is on it.

Shawn does sell quality neo product - I would not dispute that. However, it is over priced compared to true market value and therefore those prices are generally ignored when evaluating something for private sale either here or on eBay. If you take everything Shawn says as gospel (with the greatest respect to him) you are a fool<hr></blockquote>

Again- I cannot believe this. I was so painstakingly careful to get the right knowledgeable and respected people to value the games (e.g. ftl/ shawn) knowing how shitty everyone gets around here when magazines print prices and now I'm getting flamed for doing that...unbelievable. People are only happy if thingspertaining to their hobby are in complete agreement with their own point of view.

I'm really disdappointed with you Tarma. I respect you and your opinion and I think you've been way out of line here. I'm just doing my job. You haven't even seen the work yet to be throwing around such heavyweight opinions. Its just not fair.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: gozaimas ]</p>
 

Bhm

Not to be confused with H&M,
Joined
Nov 14, 2001
Posts
1,172
Watch it Tarma, you're coming across like a retard here (and 'god' know I like you as a member). Calm down

Just a piece of advice ;)
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
Originally posted by gozaimas:
<strong>

Again- I cannot believe this. I was so painstakingly careful to get the right knowledgeable and respected people to value the games (e.g. ftl/ shawn) knowing how shitty everyone gets around here when magazines print prices and now I'm getting flamed for doing that...unbelievable. People are only happy if thingspertaining to their hobby are in complete agreement with their own point of view.

I'm really disdappointed with you Tarma. I respect you and your opinion and I think you've been way out of line here. I'm just doing my job. You haven't even seen the work yet to be throwing around such heavyweight opinions. Its just not fair.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: gozaimas ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like wise I respect your opinion as well. There must be no doubt that you're a very talented writer to be a part of the Edge team. However, that is how I viewed your initial reaction to my post.

Reviewing Edge's past policies and the general state of MS4, the fact that you've agreed with my criticsms, I'm still at a loss as to why it scored 7. Maybe yes, 4 would be too harsh. 5 or 6 would be fairer.. indeed I think I rated it at a 6/10 for my review for this very web site back in the summer (see reviews section).

I'm sorry I feel that 7 is too high a mark for this game, espcially as the gameplay is so dull and repetitive.

General concesous appears to be that the price guides on this site, as maintained by Simone, aka FTL, are more accurate than they've ever been.

When you first mooted your article I was under the impression that values would be placed in pounds sterling and not US $. So for that I apologise. If it had been me I would also have chosen US $.

However, as far as values go you would have been better asking Simone or just quoting straight from the guide. Indeed do you not think Shawn is going to across as a bit of a hypocrite if he says MS (as an example only) is worth $2,200 but his own price guide says it's worth $1,500 - $1,800? In fact some prices are way out - the worst example probably being the real bout series (Neo Store - Price Guide comparisons).

I think I did say at one point that you're probably best avoiding talking about values if posible... and if I didn't - then why NOT!!??

Having not read the article it would be a shame to think that you've only interviewed Shawn, when other comunity members such as Simone, Trieuminator, and Neo Bomber Man could have added more depth to the proceedings.

Anyway, I guess I am being a little unfair and apart from my views on MS4 (god I hate that game) I will reserve further judgement until I've read the article.
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
Originally posted by Bhm:
<strong>Watch it Tarma, you're coming across like a retard here (and 'god' know I like you as a member). Calm down

Just a piece of advice ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry :(

I really do hate Ms4 tho :mad: <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Sounds like the score for RotD was spot on though <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />
 
Joined
May 26, 2002
Posts
230
Originally posted by Tarma:
[QB]

Reviewing Edge's past policies and the general state of MS4, the fact that you've agreed with my criticsms, I'm still at a loss as to why it scored 7. Maybe yes, 4 would be too harsh. 5 or 6 would be fairer.. indeed I think I rated it at a 6/10 for my review for this very web site back in the summer (see reviews section).

I'm sorry I feel that 7 is too high a mark for this game, espcially as the gameplay is so dull and repetitive.

<hr></blockquote>

Ironically I actually carefully examined your review before starting work on th edge reviews. Like I said- it was between giving the game a 6 or a 7. In the end i felt that the core basic gameplay wasn't sufficiently sub msX to warrent a 2 score drop. Again- you need to read the text really- the numbers, when detached from the opinion, are basically meaningless. This is something edge has always stated. Besides, the edeg score is one mark off your appraisal <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

You seem to forget that I've written more reviews for edge than simply these neo games. I am aware of the issues as I can see you are too.


General concesous appears to be that the price guides on this site, as maintained by Simone, aka FTL, are more accurate than they've ever been.

When you first mooted your article I was under the impression that values would be placed in pounds sterling and not US $. So for that I apologise. If it had been me I would also have chosen US $.

However, as far as values go you would have been better asking Simone or just quoting straight from the guide. Indeed do you not think Shawn is going to across as a bit of a hypocrite if he says MS (as an example only) is worth $2,200 but his own price guide says it's worth $1,500 - $1,800? In fact some prices are way out - the worst example probably being the real bout series (Neo Store - Price Guide comparisons).

I think I did say at one point that you're probably best avoiding talking about values if posible... and if I didn't - then why NOT!!??<hr></blockquote>

The piece, as you will see, is the first in a series examining the various collectors markets around the videogaming globe. Price inclusion was in my commission- I have no power over that. Besides- its very interesting to the reader. You can hardly talk about kizuna without mentioning figures as its the figures that make it interesting.

The prices listed were put in dollars (something I was advised to do by members here- and unadvised to do by my superiors- that's how much i care). they are all taken direct from the price guide here- with a few tweaks from Shawn and Simone to bring them bang up to date.

Having not read the article it would be a shame to think that you've only interviewed Shawn, when other comunity members such as Simone, Trieuminator, and Neo Bomber Man could have added more depth to the proceedings.<hr></blockquote>

I have 3000 words to cover the history of Snk, the present siuation with Playmore, the future of the company, the people behind the games, an overview of the collectors scene, The games that are pertinent to the collectors scene and in depth interview with one of the main players in the collectors scene and a list with information on the most collectable titles.

if I could have inerviewed everyone I would have- but space doesn't allow it. Besides- lots of people from within the scene daying basically the same things as Shawn would only be interesting to us- not the 97% of edge readership who know nothing of the neo until now.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: gozaimas ]</p>
 

buster_broon

The Rock,
Joined
Jan 20, 2002
Posts
4,098
Originally posted by gozaimas:
<strong>The office are sending my copy out tomorrow (and copies to shawn and buster this week ;) ).
</strong><hr></blockquote>

i like that :D :D

@ tarma: you know i respect you but we have had this discussion over and over again - you may hate slug 4 but there are members here who quite like it

so whos to say that a 7 isnt totally way out there

the rotd mark is spot on

Simon is gonna do a great job there - and more coverage for the Neo is always welcome

lets see how quickly they review kof2k2
 

NeoGoaT

Mickey's Coach
Joined
Jul 26, 2001
Posts
596
I have to admit 7/10 does sound high for MS4 (which I haven't played), didn't they score MS1 at 6/10 back in the day? It would be strange for a very derivative sequel to score higher than the original 6 years later. Much as I would love EDGE to turn into a Neo fan-boy rag it does sound high.
 

Atro

Who?,
20 Year Member
Joined
Jan 30, 2002
Posts
9,214
Originally posted by NeoDragoN:
<strong>(only 4 games have ever got 10/10)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can you type them out ? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

Let me guess...

3 playstation games and a N64 one! :rolleyes:
 

Tarma

Old Man
20 Year Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Posts
7,185
Originally posted by gozaimas:
<strong>

I have 3000 words to cover the history of Snk, the present siuation with Playmore, the future of the company, the people behind the games, an overview of the collectors scene, The games that are pertinent to the collectors scene and in depth interview with one of the main players in the collectors scene and a list with information on the most collectable titles.

if I could have inerviewed everyone I would have- but space doesn't allow it. Besides- lots of people from within the scene daying basically the same things as Shawn would only be interesting to us- not the 97% of edge readership who know nothing of the neo until now.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: gozaimas ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

True... damn that 97%!!!

I suppose I was being a lot more objective and neutral back in the summer when I comssioned my review for Bobak. Since then of course I've had more time to appraise its content... I'm afraid I cannot associate anything but stark negativity toward the game... possibly because it's hard to fathom why the game was so poorly made when the developers had MS3 to progress from.

I guess I should just shut up and be thankful that IF there is an MS5 those incompetent fools at Mega will have nothing to do with it.

I wonder what happened to the Nazca team...?

Perhaps you should consider a book on SNK / Playmore?

Well, I look forward to the mag arriving and hope you get a review of KoF2k2 in there pretty quickly.

Hey! How about a 'The Making of...' Metal Slug? or King of Fighters?
 
Top