emulation

I WANT TO KNOW IF ARE ANY WAY TO PLAY GAMES NEO GEO CD GAMES ON DREAMCAST ?

And the fun begins...

You got that from here no?
http://www.retrogames.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showpost.pl?Board=retroneogeo&Number=8272&page=0&view=expanded&mode=threaded&sb=7#Post8272

The answer is no. <IMG SRC="smilies/spock.gif" border="0">

LWK, leave him alone...he doesn't know

Bud, this is a STRONG Neo-Geo community and we look down on emulation.

To save yourself from getting disrespected don't mention emulation of Neo games here...

TonK, i have one question, are you against emulation?

I'm well against emulation of live systems, even when its only just alive in a fashion (NeoGeo)

But, all the rest doesnt bother me.

Bri

Originally posted by bwi:
<STRONG>I'm well against emulation of live systems, even when its only just alive in a fashion (NeoGeo)

But, all the rest doesnt bother me.

Bri</STRONG>

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All systems are still "alive in a fashion", so I don't see how you can say that Neo emu
is wrong while emu of any of the other, older systems is OK.

Depends who's selling it.

What about Sega's Smash Pack for the DC??

Everyone already knows my stance.

Don't ask, don't tell, DON'T SELL.

This means if you are computer literate, then you are smart enough to find ROMS on the internet and install them yourself. Don't ask or beg for ROMS, EMUS and platfrom emulation (live or dead systems).

If you use an emulator, keep it to yourself! I don't need to know about it; that is your business.

And lastly, DON'T SELL. Selling ROMS and EMUS for profit is catergorically illegal and not approved of under any circumstances.

Licensed emus, like the Sega Smash pack and Bleem are fine because they are properly licensed by their respective game companies.

Yeah, but for a while you could download the smash pack and play any rom you wanted on the DC. It was eventually deemed improper, and taken down from some major sites. Of course, if you make your own and you are the company that you are emulating (Sega), then sure it's okay... just downloading for free is another matter all together.

Spike

Originally posted by ULTIMATEWIZARD:
<STRONG>I WANT TO KNOW IF ARE ANY WAY TO PLAY GAMES NEO GEO CD GAMES ON DREAMCAST ?</STRONG>

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Thats a another new member that makes there 1st post the best one,first impressions are important and this is a bad way to start.
No this is an anti emulation and rom zone here, buy a neo geo cd system or a neo home cart or MVS,if you are gonna download roms and play them instead of buying the original gear then,well i wouldnt stay here ,peeps here will rip the shit out of you.

Sorry,he has to be told.

Originally posted by Yagyu Jubei:
<STRONG>Everyone already knows my stance.

Don't ask, don't tell, DON'T SELL.

This means if you are computer literate, then you are smart enough to find ROMS on the internet and install them yourself. Don't ask or beg for ROMS, EMUS and platfrom emulation (live or dead systems).

If you use an emulator, keep it to yourself! I don't need to know about it; that is your business.

And lastly, DON'T SELL. Selling ROMS and EMUS for profit is catergorically illegal and not approved of under any circumstances.

Licensed emus, like the Sega Smash pack and Bleem are fine because they are properly licensed by their respective game companies.</STRONG>

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Well said Jubei!! I agree 100%. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek2.gif" border="0">

Spike.
Opinion round here is split on this subject.
Some people are against Emulation for profit, (myself included) Others are against it altogether! Some are against Emulation of "living" systems (Me again) but don't care about defunct systems, or undefended patents!
Some people are against ALL emulation of even "dead" systems, on moral copyright theft grounds! (which I can understand)
Bearing that in mind, and also bearing in mind that everyone sets the bounderies at their own levels, I think most SNK games fall into the "Dead" category, because of the demise of SNK europe, and SNK USA, and the fact that Aruze actually said that they would not defend some SNK patents outside of Japan! Others would strongly disagree with me on that one! Some would probobly not even accept emulation of Spectrum games!!
BOTTOM LINE IS! Everyone on these BBs has strong feelings on this subject and, possibly the only thing we all agree on is not to use Emu's for profit! So take YAGYU's advice and if you want DC emu's do a search on "DC emulation" you should get all the info you need that way, but until we all agree a "BB" policy on emulation (LOL) its possibly best to keep it to yourself. <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

Personally I am VERY glad about emulation (not about assholes who sell emus and roms, tho). Not only did Neogeo emulation make me want a neogeo (or rather, MVS) even more, but it's also extremely helpful in deciding which games to get.. nothing beats being able to test the game on emu before putting down the cash for the real thing (given you got no arcade or friends with neogeo games to test).

Emulation as try before you buy does not bother me. The winds of change are coming and they WILL have an impact on the mvs market.

The end is near! The time is upon us! Now the final day of judgment is at hand!
Bwahahahahaha!

After much testing and hard work, Tyris has SUCCEEDED in dumping both P1 and
P2 of MSX through the edge connector! This is a MAJOR milestone! This means
that we now have the CORRECT rombanking method!

There is unfortunately one very small snag. For some strange reason, the KOF2K
cart is not giving us any data at this point. This makes absolutely NO sense seeing
as how I got P1 out of KOF2K. Tyris was unable to extract P1 data from KOF2K
using the exact same method that I had used earlier (and which btw, Tyris had
himself devised). This can only mean one thing: Something is broken. Right now,
the three possiblities are: 1. The cart was damaged during shipping to Tyris, 2.
The MVS is broken and not sending the correct clock signal, 3. The edge system
that Tyris is using was damaged during shipping and the wire for the clock may be
loose. Now, MSX checked for the MVS system as well. However, how it did the
check is uncertain. It is quite possible that the wires that it used to check are ok,
but that the clock wire that KOF2K uses may have some problems.

Right now, Tyris is working hard at diagnosing which part is broken. He will take the
entire system over to an arcade reseller in his area and have the whole thing
checked over. Chances are that either the cart or the MVS may be damaged. The
edge system has already been checked over and it appears to be ok. Once we
figure out which is broken, we will have that problem fixed and then we will be able
to dump KOF2K.

Some of you may be depressed by this news. You may see it as a bad sign. Well, if
I had believed in signs, omens, or fate, I'd have given up on this project a long
time ago. It seems that at every step of the way we have hit some problem.
However, I didn't then and I don't now. I only believe in following fate when it is
favorable. When it's not, I believe in beating it into submission. That's exactly what
this group has done, and we've been successful at it! This is just the last dying
gasp of bad luck trying to stop us. And now, as Neoptolemus said to Priam, so I
say to encryption, "Nunc morere!" (From the Aeneid. Troy has been conquered.
Priam, King of Troy, makes one last desperate attempt to fight back by insulting
Neoptolemus and flinging a javelin at him. The blow harmlessly strikes Neoptolemus'
shield, and Neoptolemus kills him. "Now die!" I see a parallel here in that Troy was
conquered using the Trojan Horse trick which allowed the Greeks to get in, and
we're conquering encryption by sending a clock signal which then allows our own
rombanking signals to get in... um... ok... maybe I've just been up reading
mythology and working on emulation stuff for too long... ;P)

Today should be a day of celebration! We have hit a snag, but it is a small one
compared to what we have accomplished. Tyris is taking it over on Monday, so
we'll know exactly what needs to be repaired/replaced VERY soon. The hard part
was the rombanking which Tyris has already conquered. After the P roms, we'll
work out the c roms in a similar fashion and KOF2K will be FULLY playable!

Good or bad? <IMG SRC="smilies/spock.gif" border="0">

Wow, that is extremely impressive way of breaking through the encryption. It must have been a bitch and a half to get the right clock signal down to get through the encryption (I'm assuming that the encryption was not active during a variant of the clock cycle of the 68k). I know I'll be flamed / hated for this, but I'd love to try MS3 before plunking down 300 bucks for a MVS setup, just hoping it's as good as everyone says it is.

ANYWAY, back to the original question. It is possible to emulate a Neo CD on the DC, HOWEVER it is more likely (and much easier) that someone will just port MAME over for the dreamcast, and people will just burn thier roms to a CD and play that way.

Peace

JHendrix

Trust me slug 3 is worth every penny you plunk down you need it!!!

There is nothing wrong with emulating dead systems (i.e. Atari 2600, Jaguar,
Turbografx, etc.), because mainstream software is no longer being developed for
these systems. Atari is no longer, so I seriously doubt that a Jaguar emulator would
have an impact on the industry. However, SNK and it's third parties are still actively
developing software for the Neo-Geo, so a Neo-Geo emulator would hamper their
sales. Emulate the dead -- support the living!

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you guys ever think that he may own some Neo geo cd's and want to play them on your dreamcast?

I would like to play me Neo cd's on my dreamcast as well. Heck it would be cool to see if they load up faster and the KOF games are actually playable <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Neo cd's are cheap now and there appears to be a abundence of them. However the Neo cd systems break easly and there are not a lot of places to get them repaired or buy replacements. Being able to play the Neo game cd's on another systems really is no big deal. Heck if anything the ability to play Neo game cd's on other systems would sell more of them.

I though you guys were mostly against the selling of roms and CDR's but emulators as well, sheesh.

I'm not against emulators. I guess I've (we've?) become jaded over the years. It is possible that he may have some legit neogeo cds to run on an emu.

My apologies for any hostility I may have shown previously. <IMG SRC="smilies/crying.gif" border="0">

Emulation is an extension of technology, and technology can be used for both good and evil. Classic case of the neogeo. On the good side you have snk and original carts in the middle you have neogeo emulation and in the evil side you have bootleg mvs carts and ngf. Most of us here are sick of hearing about the dark sides explotation of the emulation middle ground for their own profits.

Ultimatewizard you did ask a legitimate question and my final answer is I hope so. Maybe it'll bring about a resurange of interest in this neogeo "scene" <IMG SRC="smilies/spock.gif" border="0">

Special thanks to Big Bruno for knocking some sense into me. <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0">

[ July 10, 2001: Message edited by: mvsholic ]

IMHO I think the the Neo-0 team (Who are dumping KOF 2000) are geniuses..... to think that they figured it all out themselves beggers belief.... Manson, Tyris and Wind are very talented guys <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by mookystains:
<STRONG>TonK, i have one question, are you against emulation?</STRONG>

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considering he's got emu links on his site, you prolly know the answer to that.

I'm not against it at all...I'm against selling it for profit, but I'll play it as much as I want <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">