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Orpheus
10-15-2001, 07:56 PM
now you all can read the truth about this AES home cartridge release right from the horses mouth. after reading this and deciding to reply(or as some do, not even reading it at all and just replying any way)keep in mind that this post is NOT meant to be A flame. it is also not A put down,or rebuttal aimed at those few who have believed that this cartridge was produced by apple.
even upon learning of the facts about the U.S. version of metal slug 3 I never intended to tell any one, and I definitely did not want to post it here. Don't get me wrong, I like allot of the people here. but when any topic relating to these types of rumors gets put up MANY of the forum members and even A few of the moderators cant seem to exercise ANY self control or basic intelligence and just simply resort to flaming each other and cursing like mad. needless to say, it gets all of us no where. I am sorry if I have offended any of you by saying this all of that,but hey,as they say, the writing is on the wall.
any way, I put this thread up because after talking with those over at apple and the main people involved with the slug 3 re-release, I was told that I SHOULD post here as Allen Wiseburg and his company apple industries has just about had enough with the nagging, the questions, the taping of phone calls(don't pull that crap again!)plus it is nothing Shawn needs to hear as he is the one fronting all of the money for these new releases. so this is what I know:

Whenever I would see one of these bitch, moan and complain fests on the forums instead of contributing towards it I would call the head of the company involved and DEMAND to speak with them (when you talk LOUDLY, these people usually do listen).
with NGF and their KOF 2000 release I spoke with the head of SNK Japan Corp's international department,got that title confirmed as well as NGF being A (again, RE-read "A" not "the") official distributor in the U.S.
now when A release comes up in the U.S. and I need any info I talk to Allen Wiseburg, the head of apple industries. Apple has been the only distributor of MVS products and titles here in the U.S. for A while. Now, with the whole (pardon my language) Shit storm that was caused over letting independent businesses fully handle their own AES releases (rumors such as reprints of inserts and manuals, as well as over all legitimacy and authenticity of the product at hand) SNK decided to let apple handle any and all consumer releases as well. I am extremely glad this has happened as I could not stand to wade through one more post about rumors that could not be supported with facts.
when I decided I wanted to purchase A copy of metal slug 3 I decided to call Shawn. I talked to him a bit and he fully assured me that every thing was made over in Japan by SNK and shipped directly to him. I believed every word he said, and rightly so, I have never seen seen any thing that would lead me to believe he was not the reliable person that everyone says he is. we talked for A bit on the phone and that was it.
A week later I still wanted to get the facts once more, only DIRECTLY from Allen himself. not because I did not believe what Shawn had to say, but because I have talked with Allen Wiesburg before and he was very nice and an easy person to talk to.
So I gave him A call and asked him a few questions. He remembered who I was which made things A bit easier, and I asked him a few questions about how the METAL SLUG 3 release was handled. I will cut down on the boring stuff to spare many of you the excess reading time and get down to the good stuff:

- as of right now, Shawn Mckleskies neogeostore is the only place in the U.S. that is having AES home cartridges made and distributed. everything is %100 legit.


-NOTHING was printed at apple industries for this home cartridge release,nor will it ever be. in the words of Allen himself "we are A distribution company, PERIOD. we do not deal with production."
basically apple receives the product and than sells it/passes it on. HOWEVER....

-ALL 500 slug 3 carts (including all of the art work) were sent DIRECTLY to Shawns residence from SNK Japan. Allen's commented on this saying that for reasons he did not know about, the deal for this tittle was done DIRECTLY and solely between SNK Japan and Sham McKlesky. things should go differently starting with either the next release (English Sengoku 3 and other items in quantity like pocket games, power supplies, and hope fully some neo geo world mats)or the one following that. at that time apple will be more directly involved (though only from A middle man and distributor point of view, again, they are not A printing house)

from there we just talked about A few odd things (their presentation at the A.M.O.A. etc) and that was it. as of right now Shawn is the only person releasing home titles in the U.S. this was clearly stated by Allen.

I hope you all appreciate the time I took to post this up for you all to see. It will make understanding this whole ordeal allot easier. the only thing I ask of every one reading this is to stop bugging the neo store,snk Japan and especially Apple industries. Allen Wiseburg is a busy man and he does not need to explain this whole situation time after time.

chimpmeister
10-15-2001, 08:07 PM
Thanks for taking the time to call and find that out, Mitch. Its sad that a few people continually posted trash about this release and did nothing more than try to tear down Shawn's hard work and funding to bring it out. But there will always be people like that in any hobby, that's inevitable.

Hopefully your post will end the debate (which had pretty much ended of its own a while ago anyway) and we can all look forward to the Sengoku 3 U.S. release, and others possibly as well . . . <IMG SRC="smilies/eek2.gif" border="0">

Kiel
10-15-2001, 08:08 PM
Well put Orpheus.

Orpheus
10-15-2001, 08:09 PM
one other thing that i would like to say. what I wrote about forum members and mods not being able to controll them selves was not meant to be aplied to every one, only A select group of people who make browsing through this site alot less enjoyable. I have actualy been quite impressed with the way that most of the forum members have responded to the alegations made towards Shawn and the authenticity of this release.
it shows that many here know to see passed all the crap at hand. that was why i did not wish to to post it in the begining. It already looked as if A majority of every one here got the jist of what the truth was and i didnt feel more flames would have been warranted as they would have really served no purpose.

Orpheus
10-15-2001, 08:13 PM
ORIGINALY POSTED BY CHIMPMIESTER:

"Hopefully your post will end the debate (which had pretty much ended of its own a while ago anyway) and we can all look forward to the Sengoku 3 U.S. release, and others possibly as well . . . "
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I hear ya Bryce. I just thought it would be good to finaly and totally end this as this release would not have happened if it was not for shawn. in the situation of the slug 3 release he deserves better than to be accussed of such garbage. but what the hell. better late than never

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

NeoLord
10-15-2001, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by ORPHEUS:
<STRONG>ORIGINALY POSTED BY CHIMPMIESTER:

"Hopefully your post will end the debate (which had pretty much ended of its own a while ago anyway) and we can all look forward to the Sengoku 3 U.S. release, and others possibly as well . . . "
=============================================

I hear ya Bryce. I just thought it would be good to finaly and totally end this as this release would not have happened if it was not for shawn. in the situation of the slug 3 release he deserves better than to be accussed of such garbage. but what the hell. better late than never

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


Which means that NCS purchased their copies of MS3 from Shawn. Interesting...

Mouse_Master
10-15-2001, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by NeoLord:
<STRONG>
Which means that NCS purchased their copies of MS3 from Shawn. Interesting...</STRONG>

That is not true, unless NCS has some English MS3 in stock. NCS used their normal distribution channels to get the Japanese stock of MS3, Shawn only received English MS3 stock from SNK.

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
10-15-2001, 10:34 PM
ORPHEUS:MITCH SHEA'S PHONE CALL TO APPLE+NGF FAN+METAL SLUG 3+SNK=BULLSHIT!


http://www.illicious.f2s.com/illicious/orph.JPG
Mitch "Orpheus" Shea with Chris checking out the scene day 1 of the CGE show.
On many occasions, Mitch has made some great calls and purchases on the NeoGeo.
All Mitch wanted was that MotW 3-D display. That along with some rare AES cartridges,
like Ganryu, and other Neo collectibles....(cough, cough, Pocket Station, cough, cough)


that pik is curtious of mitchies friends over at www.ngfusa.com (http://www.ngfusa.com)
looks like ya real slap happy in that pik there..
ya look like chimps older brother..

dorpheus wants a new seat next to snk over here now...ahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!

SAMHAIN has something real nice comin for all you snk is alive and makeing home cart believers....

i think your gonna like it...
:tickled

[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL ]

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
10-15-2001, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Mouse_Master:
<STRONG>That is not true, unless NCS has some English MS3 in stock. NCS used their normal distribution channels to get the Japanese stock of MS3, Shawn only received English MS3 stock from SNK.</STRONG>

well mitch just stated that shawn was the only person in the u.s to recieve these slug 3s according to his phone call to apple??

how the hell is ncs getting theres?

funny

TonK
10-15-2001, 10:40 PM
SAMHAIN has something real nice comin for all you snk is alive and makeing home cart believers....



What?

outsider
10-15-2001, 10:44 PM
An articulate post by Orpheus.

Thank you for trying to set this story straight, although it seems that like always, some are not satisfied.

VinylBoy
10-16-2001, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL:
<STRONG>well mitch just stated that shawn was the only person in the u.s to recieve these slug 3s according to his phone call to apple??

how the hell is ncs getting theres?

funny</STRONG>

This is only applying to the US release of Metal Slug 3 if I recall. Shawn's main purpose in getting this title was to provide a US version for people to buy.

Whenever NCS gets an SNK title (or just about any title) for the first time, they're usually in Japanese. You can probably still get a shipment of Japanese versions of the game from a number of vendors over in Japan, or any other Asian country.

Mitch's statement refers only to the US versions of the game. Hopefully this will mean big things for the gaming community... if these sell well for Shawn, then there will be more titles. Possibly even KOF 2001 (which is the only game I'm currently interested in finding out if there will be a home release, Japanese or US).

BRANDI
10-16-2001, 11:23 AM
Nice post, Orpheus.
Just hope that this will be the final word on the english MS3 re-release... <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0">

deathboy
10-16-2001, 11:29 AM
Orpheus, thanks for that post. Really clears it up for me. I've sorta stayed out of this one, but wanted a good explanation. Hopefully, this will be enough for other people to be satisfied.

TonK
10-16-2001, 11:40 AM
My GOD, who gives a fuck anymore...

They will never sell out anyway, so don't count on the value going up...

No demand for Slug 3, even though its a sweet game...

Better off with, um...

Crossed Swords 2 <IMG SRC="smilies/drool.gif" border="0">
Iron Clad <IMG SRC="smilies/drool.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/drool.gif" border="0">
Zupapa <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">
MS4 <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

P.S. Fuck a U.S. Cart anyway, I like not being able to read my instruction manual!

RyoGeo
10-16-2001, 11:46 AM
Nice post, Orpheus. I think it's great that you had the tenacity to get to the head of the company to get the final and informed answer. Good job.

And for the record, I do care that things like this come to light. I think it has been a real shame that Shawn's efforts, and perhaps more importantly, his investment into the Neo community, were cast in a shadow of doubt. Most still believed MS3 to be, top to bottom, direct from SNK but to have final confirmation from the alleged source, Apple, that SNK is the source for the entire MS3 package is appreciated.

Thumbs up. <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0">

Lord Illicious
10-16-2001, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL:
<STRONG>ORPHEUS:MITCH SHEA'S PHONE CALL TO APPLE+NGF FAN+METAL SLUG 3+SNK=BULLSHIT!


http://www.illicious.f2s.com/illicious/orph.JPG
Mitch "Orpheus" Shea with Chris checking out the scene day 1 of the CGE show.
On many occasions, Mitch has made some great calls and purchases on the NeoGeo.
All Mitch wanted was that MotW 3-D display. That along with some rare AES cartridges,
like Ganryu, and other Neo collectibles....(cough, cough, Pocket Station, cough, cough)


that pik is curtious of mitchies friends over at www.ngfusa.com (http://www.ngfusa.com)
looks like ya real slap happy in that pik there..
ya look like chimps older brother..

dorpheus wants a new seat next to snk over here now...ahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!

SAMHAIN has something real nice comin for all you snk is alive and makeing home cart believers....

i think your gonna like it...
:tickled
DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL ]</STRONG>

Just sing man:
Monday, tueday HAPPY DAYS! wensday, thursday HAPPY DAYS! SATTADAY WHATTA GAY! GONNA ROCK WITH YOU YOU YOUUUUU!

HOWDY DOODY and ill have a cherry coke magillacutty.

FeelGood
10-16-2001, 03:51 PM
you know they now sell lemon flavored diet coke. still has no calories.

Lord Illicious
10-16-2001, 03:53 PM
Hey ya forgot sunday & friday!
ok singa again:

Sunday Monday HAPPY DAYS! tuesday wensday HAPPY DAYS! thursday friday Happy DAYS!
SATTADAY WHATTA GAY! GONNA ROCK WITH YOU YOU YOUUUUU!
Deez Nhoes are umm ahhha ah ahah ahh OHHH Happy days.

Hey pete do these bowling shoes look nifty with my neo geo shirt?

Lord Illicious
10-16-2001, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<STRONG>you know they now sell lemon flavored diet coke. still has no calories.</STRONG>
Yo diet coke is the most nastiest shit ie ever tasted. Shit taste like salt with club soda (or bakin soda).

Cherry coke is slammin thoe.

My fav is a glass with some burgandy red wine with 7up.

LWK
10-16-2001, 04:00 PM
Mountain dew code red is the shit.
Yes the Yellow 5 threat may or may not still be there.

Daisuke Jigen
10-16-2001, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
<STRONG>Mountain dew code red is the shit.
Yes the Yellow 5 threat may or may not still be there.</STRONG>

Whoa there, what yellow 5 threat? I've been drinking 8+ cans of this stuff a day.

LWK
10-16-2001, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen:
<STRONG>Whoa there, what yellow 5 threat? I've been drinking 8+ cans of this stuff a day.</STRONG>

Makes your dick small and lowers your sperm count, apparently.

All the best shit is bad for you.