No AESII (I guess)

Well its been what a week now and no new info!

Lets face it there will just never be an AESII. But thats fine at least when I get my AES this month I can get a Phantom-1 to play my MVS collection at home.


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Two weeks untill I'll have the money to order my AES from Nikke. man I can't wait!!!

I don't know. Give 'em a little time, last I heard the pre-order list was around 30ish.

If they could sell 250 pre-orders in a week then this sucker would have been released a loooong time ago.

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but it's going to be hard to those kind of numbers by word of mouth alone. Ray hasn't even displayed news, shots, updates, or a real preorder on his website (Except in his forums posts). If he put it on the opening page he would get more preorders. I also believe if he presented it as a sort of MVS, Jamma supergun instead of an AESII he would get more people interested.

But I fully understand something this big is obviously going to take time. And I wish Ray an the rest at !ARCADE! the best of luck!

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Ray gave us the low down on specs..
This project needs more support so it's on us now....This market is very uncertain...so it's not really a 'SOUND' investment without the necessary pledges.
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Originally posted by Parallax:
<STRONG>I also believe if he presented it as a sort of MVS, Jamma supergun instead of an AESII he would get more people interested.
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I agree 1000%. That was what really interested me in one the 2nd time around, that and the quality of the products (i.e. two different encoder chips 1 for S-Video one for Composite). I've been in the market for a Supergun for a while and this way I don't have to buy a MoBo...and the fact that I can use it in a MVS cab when I get one...well...I couldn't pass that up.

I agree that some patience is needed in this case and I think that it is hard to argue that the AES II, based on the specs given, is an awesome machine with great potential and fans will wait if it does everything that is said it will do. I do think it would help to have more info, pictures, etc. at the !Arcade! website to truly entice more people into the idea. I also think that it would sell in other markets besides Neo Geo fans such as Arcade collectors, etc. or anyone who would buy a Supergun system. I do wish that !Arcade! would put some pics, more specific info as to what is included with the console, pricing, shipping, warranty, and a pre-order form so that people are confident that a machine will be made at some point. I think it would also help to have some Neo fans test a machine and report on the forums their experience to again build the confidence on the effectiveness of the AES II. With over 2,000 members of this forum who are fans, you would not think it would be difficult to sell 250 units once word gets around the forums of the amazing features of this machine. Lets hope that !Arcade! gives this a full chance with more info and advertising because with what it can do, it is hard to imagine it not being successful.

Originally posted by eaglesfan:
<STRONG> you would not think it would be difficult to sell 250 units once word gets around the forums of the amazing features of this machine. Lets hope that !Arcade! gives this a full chance with more info and advertising because with what it can do, it is hard to imagine it not being successful.</STRONG>

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You figure with 2000 members it would'nt be a problem. I don't want to believe the majority here use a damn emulator because if this is the case they're missing the 'REAL EXPERIENCE' but thenagain what about the members who already own a home system or arcade cab so..........
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They really need to start catching interest for the system! By just having it on there own website and posting a little topic on this forum will not make it fly. They really have to get serious about releasing it and only than will people take them seriously.

Maybe they should look into distributing it to major online retailers or better yet, sending a unit to an online Videogame review site so they can get a larger awareness.

I remember when Gamego was about to come out. ECM was ont hese boards pushing the magazine something fierce. Well, we all know how GameGo turned out, so this isn't really a great exaple, but if it were not for ECM doing that, we probably would never has seen issue one.

We need that kind of thing. We need some one to come on all the Neo related boards and push the AES2 like crack to a whore. People want this thing, all you got to do is give them the facts and a very steady stream of info, updates, specs, pictures, videos of it in action...etc.

Originally posted by Solid Snake:
<STRONG>They really need to start catching interest for the system! By just having it on there own website and posting a little topic on this forum will not make it fly. They really have to get serious about releasing it and only than will people take them seriously.

Maybe they should look into distributing it to major online retailers or better yet, sending a unit to an online Videogame review site so they can get a larger awareness.</STRONG>

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I'm gathering that a retail place would have to commit to at least 5k worth or product.
There's just soo much competition with the new consoles and new generation of gamer...what retailer would be willing to take the gamble of tieing up or losing money when it can take that same 5k and invest it into what I like to call 'FAD' merchandise that will gaurantee them a quick turnaround and profit on that investment?
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Originally posted by Rade Kuruc:
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We need that kind of thing. We need some one to come on all the Neo related boards and push the AES2 like crack to a whore. People want this thing, all you got to do is give them the facts and a very steady stream of info, updates, specs, pictures, videos of it in action...etc.</STRONG>

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What you describe is a psychological 'NEED' for an AES2 though??
Why do I neeed an AES2? What sort of new ground breaking technology is the AES2 introducing? What they will be doing is skillfully combining all the existing technology relative to Neo Geo/Arcade Gaming and placing it into a plastic housing.
This unit is something the people will have to 'WANT' and when your dealing with 'WANTS' the majority will be 'FRUGAL'
I 'WANT' an AES2,I don't 'NEED' it.. I also want it to be about the size & have the look of a Neo Geo CD Front Loader!
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Originally posted by Rade Kuruc:
<STRONG>...We need some one to come on all the Neo related boards and push the AES2 like crack to a whore....</STRONG>

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Rade, the problem is that we have something stronger than "crack" are coming: Xbox and GameCube.

Unless people have play Neo game before, otherwise they have no idea what the hell is Neo Geo. Plus younger generation is spoiled by those "3D" and "CG" fantasies.....

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Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<STRONG>What you describe is a psychological 'NEED' for an AES2 though??
Why do I neeed an AES2? What sort of new ground breaking technology is the AES2 introducing? What they will be doing is skillfully combining all the existing technology relative to Neo Geo/Arcade Gaming and placing it into a plastic housing.
This unit is something the people will have to 'WANT' and when your dealing with 'WANTS' the majority will be 'FRUGAL'
I 'WANT' an AES2,I don't 'NEED' it.. I also want it to be about the size & have the look of a Neo Geo CD Front Loader!
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If reference to my use of 'need', maybe I did not make myslef clear enough. I mean to say that we needed a certain kind of marketing for it if it were to succeed. And by 'we', I mean the collective of hardcores that comprise the scene. We, as a collective, need someone like !Arcade! to be forthcoming with facts. That is what I meant to say.

And I never say people need this thing-I said they wanted it:

"People want this thing.... "


I hope I got my point across better this time.

Originally posted by Liquid Snake:
<STRONG> [...] I wish to see more people can buy AES II but it's really tough....from marketing point.... <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

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Yeah, that's were the problem starts, although I wouldn't rate Xbox or GC as AES II competitors. Rade is right, if !Arcade! manages to attract the hardcore gamers, the thing may come true. There should be enough of em round these parts.

I'm too more interested in the Jamma compatibility of the AES II than in its actual AES features.

Originally posted by Rade Kuruc:
<STRONG>If reference to my use of 'need', maybe I did not make myslef clear enough. I mean to say that we needed a certain kind of marketing for it if it were to succeed. And by 'we', I mean the collective of hardcores that comprise the scene. We, as a collective, need someone like !Arcade! to be forthcoming with facts. That is what I meant to say.

And I never say people need this thing-I said they wanted it:

"People want this thing.... "


I hope I got my point across better this time.</STRONG>

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I may have been thrown off by that 'WHORES TO CRACK' example
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You say that there needs to be some aggressive marketing to the 'HARDCORE GAMER' and I agree -BUT- what will make the Hardcore Gamer purchase a 'SOUPED UP' NOVA?
When they most likely already own a Cab/SIGMA or NOVA,MVS board and favorite arcade game PCB's?
This unit is promoting Neo Geo features primarily with lil' success so I think they should promote the JAMMA/ARCADE features of this unit to broaden the spectrum of interest.
So !ARCADE! are you reading this??
Promote your unit to the Arcade Hobbyist and build a 'MULTI-HARNESS ADAPTOR' that would allow us to play PCB's from Williams Defender to Neo Geo MVS games.Include the AES/MVS options as 'CANDY'
Would this increase cost?
How would the Emu cabs affect sales?
I figure !ARCADE! could get 250 pledges.
Now they wil be able to promote this to re-sellers of old PCB's.
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Hey wasn't the AES II just a converted 2-Slot MVS?

Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<STRONG>I may have been thrown off by that 'WHORES TO CRACK' example
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You say that there needs to be some aggressive marketing to the 'HARDCORE GAMER' and I agree -BUT- what will make the Hardcore Gamer purchase a 'SOUPED UP' NOVA?
When they most likely already own a Cab/SIGMA or NOVA,MVS board and favorite arcade game PCB's?
This unit is promoting Neo Geo features primarily with lil' success so I think they should promote the JAMMA/ARCADE features of this unit to broaden the spectrum of interest.
So !ARCADE! are you reading this??
Promote your unit to the Arcade Hobbyist and build a 'MULTI-HARNESS ADAPTOR' that would allow us to play PCB's from Williams Defender to Neo Geo MVS games.Include the AES/MVS options as 'CANDY'
Would this increase cost?
How would the Emu cabs affect sales?
I figure !ARCADE! could get 250 pledges.
Now they wil be able to promote this to re-sellers of old PCB's.
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the hell do you know about a masterpiece such as defender,or even better stargate....

Originally posted by jbeedham:
<STRONG>Hey wasn't the AES II just a converted 2-Slot MVS?</STRONG>

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Not really. From what I gather from the specs it's a new piece of hardware that will run MVS and AES games as well as having a Jamma Harness.

It's sorta like a slot 2 but it isn't.

Originally posted by jbeedham:
<STRONG>Hey wasn't the AES II just a converted 2-Slot MVS?</STRONG>

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No it's a unit that will allow you to play Neo Home cartridges,Neo MVS cartridges and Jamma boards with every visual and sound mod you can imagine plus a unique selection mode duing game play.
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I agree with the idea of tailoring to the arcade collectors and the ability to play PCB's and have a Neo MVS/AES as an extra bonus for not a large amount of money more. I think the AES II would allow others to become part of the Neo geo scene because, myself included, find it difficult to spend $250-$300 on a used, moded Neo Geo console machine when new next generation console cost the same. It is also difficult to imagine spending around $300 for a new MVS 1-slot or $300 for a Massystems SuperGun. However, when you put all three in one unit for a price around $400, and the ability to play in a cab in the future, it is easy to distinguish it from the consoles on the market today. The whole idea of the AES II is flexibility and justifying a higher price for an older system through many different uses.Those that want an arcade cabinet, or already have one, would definitely look at the AES II. I think for many, without the AES II, they will not find the initiative to invest in either a MVS system or an AES separately, but with the AES II, they could begin a collection of both AES and MVS games for a reasonable price and at the flexibility to get an arcade cab in the future. High priced AES cartridges will not get more people playing Neo, but a reasonable, flexible system will. I think once it reaches the market, the AES II would begin to sell fairly successfully. If Massystems can sell Superguns of less quality for $300, I dont see why the AES II would not succeed as a hardcore gamers dream system.

Yeah,I know there has been a major complaint on the ARCADE scene that the consumer does'nt have room for a 'LARGE GAME CAB' and I also see people looking for Jamma to whatever converters all the time.
The AES2 would make the Super Nova and HGA rapidly become extinct.
What they have to do is make this AES-II big enough to accomodate ALL different sizes of PCB's though.PCB's need protection too and I hated having my PCB exposed to the elements with the other units!
ARCADE will sell 'FLEXIBILITY'
I like it! I like it!
They would get 250 pledges EASY IMO if they did this!! The unit MUST be lightweight! Unlike those heavy wooden monstrousities.
Name this unit SUPER !ARCADE!
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Just wondering, with the AES II specs as they were listed, what PCB boards would not be able to be used by it? I am not that familiar with the workings of a "Supergun" setup, what Jamma boards do/don't work with this setup. Do the games that require a medium res. monitor work on the AES II? Would the Naomi board work on this setup? And what about driving, shooting games, etc. that require other peripherals--would they work on the AES II. I thought it mentioned extra ports for games that require more connections. Is anything else required to play the Jamma games included with a Supergun set-up--Jamma harness, etc.
It is nice to know that AES games can be played on an Arcade cabinet allowing even more flexibility and avoiding the purchase of two cartridges for one game.

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<STRONG>Just wondering, with the AES II specs as they were listed, what PCB boards would not be able to be used by it?</STRONG>

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Practically any arcade game manufactured after 1987. There are a few Driving and Shooting games that will not work (They have dedicated hardware and do not comply with the JAMMA standard). Yes a Naomi board will work, if you can afford one as they are not cheap. A Naomi, CPS2 or CPS3 will all work quite easily.

Not being too up to speed on my hardware tech, I'm not sure if the PS2's System 256 board will be supported but I truly believe it's JAMMA compatible (as well as the GameCube's and X-Box's impending Arcade Hardware).

What may or may not be key here is, there is always talk of MVS2 or the like...something similar...if there ever is a 'new' MVS-style hardware setup by Aruze or even SNK (PachinkoMania Boards!??!) they will most likely be JAMMA or JAMMA+ compatible, meaning you can play them on an AESII.

Not to mention that you can also hook up a Hyper64 board to the JAMMA harness and have the ultimate Neo Geo.

If you're truely interested in newer chipsets and boards, I implore you to do some investigating as I may be gravely mistaken on the System256,GC and Xbox hardware call.

But, Yes, You can hook up a Naomi board.

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Well the thing is, out of all 2000 members, i'd say under 200 accually collect homecarts and own a home system.

There are a lot of ways to be an SNK fan besides owning JUST a home system.

With that aside I did pre-order the AES II, cause he finally got the specs out for it, and I was impressed.

I would like to see it happen now I know what to expect.

Ditto, as much as I'd hate to contradict myself the fact that they clarified the specs made it a little better for me. I would have ordered one the first time through if they would have given a price range (the range they gave the second time was a reasonable window).

The combination of the two, plus the detail they covered about the quality of parts, really gave me the shift to purchase it...even though I said I didn't like this re-gauging of the market.

I still don't like it, but it seems to have been a good call.

Whether or not this will make people who were indifferent or people who didn't want one cross over remains to be seen, as that will be the MAJOR difference.

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