Shitloads of MS3/KoF2k dumpers

Uhm, a "friend" of mine just phoned me and told me he'd downloaded working MS3 roms. I went to the site (which I won't post here), and found myself on shitty rom-pages, owned and run by some French folks.

"Dumping of KoF2k is nearly completed", and "The music of the MS3 dump is available" (translated to English using Systran).

<IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0"> I hate them. I spit on those mofos, those greedy, free-ridin' shitload of dirty pirates makes me SICK!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">

If you hit them once, they surface and show up on just another faceless corner of the web. Just a load of sick scum.

Ms3 is not working.

You are correct though there are dumps of:

Prehitoric Isle 2
Ganryu
Kof 2000
Strikers 1945+
Metal Slug 3
Garou
Nitemare in the Dark

None of which have the encryption broken.

As I have stated before I personally object to the attempts to crack/force their way through the protection of these games.

Just buy the damn game!

The consensus isn't all with the r0m hoarders:
http://www.retrogames.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showpost.pl?Board=retroneogeo&Number=10705&page=0&view=expanded&mode=threaded&sb=7#Post10705

Man, this is so sad. Another bunch of Neo games which "they" have "preserved" in order to play them with their fucking neorage shit apps.

maybe one day they'll pay you good money to buy your games. Think of how many people on this list didn't start playing Neo Geo until 1998. I bet over 50% of the people on this list are like that. And now they'll pay big bucks just to Big Tymers.

Who cares if someone plays on an emulator. I don't see anyone who stopped buying neo geo games because of it.

I have no problem with emulating titles that snk/azure is no longer selling. The problem lies when you try to emulate games that are still making money and that's what I have a problem with. Luckily in mame there are safeguards to prevent newer titles from becoming emulated.

I'm with you on that point, mvsholic. Why emulate something that's available to the public? What really sickens me, though, is that people actually charge money for emulated games on CDs; definitely not cool.

This is a debate that's has gone on for years.
I am really not concerned with ROM morality.
Emulation is GOOD & BAD.
This could really turn into a long thread.
I just wish the code breakers would use their talents to aid in the production of more Neo Geo releases...
-BB

I recommend you guys to read EmuFAQ by the Scribe. It's incredibly an interesting read. Emulation is legal, but those so called lamers are turning emu-scene into warez-scene.

I'm an emulation fan myself but I do object Neo games being dumped.

These guys should use their talents against a corporation that would try to kick their ass like Microsoft or something.

Its like my view on hunting: Where's the sport in tracking down a deer and shooting it with a rifle? You want to impress me: Go and attack a grizzly with a knife. If you can kill it without it killing you, you earned that pelt.

I emulate. I do it because:

a) There are ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZILCH arcades by where I live with an MVS in them.

b) I just wanted to see if somebody emulated this cool samurai fighting game called sengoku which I remembered from being a kid. It was just after I found out about SNES emulation, and I had no idea any neo games were still being produced.

I thought it was good that I could emulate the neo-geo. I am not a pirate, or a lamer, or an asshole. I just don't have the money or the means to play a real neo-geo.

I am so going to get flamed for this...

<slaps on flame-proof underwear>

Originally posted by MDK:
<STRONG>I emulate. I do it because:

a) There are ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZILCH arcades by where I live with an MVS in them.

b) I just wanted to see if somebody emulated this cool samurai fighting game called sengoku which I remembered from being a kid. It was just after I found out about SNES emulation, and I had no idea any neo games were still being produced.

I thought it was good that I could emulate the neo-geo. I am not a pirate, or a lamer, or an asshole. I just don't have the money or the means to play a real neo-geo.

I am so going to get flamed for this...

<slaps on flame-proof underwear></STRONG>

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Well I won't flame you. All along what I have said is that I am NOT agains emulation, I'm against lamers and leeches who SELL CDRs of ROMs and burned games. That's why I have killed many auctions at Ebay by reporting them to safeharbor@ebay.com .

As for personal use of emulators and ROMs, its no problem at all to me. I do believe that if you really like a game, you should make an effort to buy it if its available. As for copied DC and other system games, I don't approve at all and think that leeches who sell them are the scum of the earth. <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by mvsholic:
<STRONG>Ms3 is not working.

You are correct though there are dumps of:

Prehitoric Isle 2
Ganryu
Kof 2000
Strikers 1945+
Metal Slug 3
Garou
Nitemare in the Dark

None of which have the encryption broken.

As I have stated before I personally object to the attempts to crack/force their way through the protection of these games.

Just buy the damn game!

The consensus isn't all with the r0m hoarders:
http://www.retrogames.com/cgi-bin/www threads/showpost.pl?Board=retroneogeo&Number=10705&page=0&view=expanded&mode=threaded&sb=7#Post10705</STRONG>

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Hey I own every one of those games and a few more encrypted titles like Zupapa... And guess what, I want the roms for all of these games to. See, I like the ability to play the games at work, friends house etc. I also like the ability to check out $300 games before I buy it. You don't like ROMs, don't download or support them... and your best bet would probably be to stop publicly advertising for them as well!

-Nick

Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<STRONG>This is a debate that's has gone on for years.
I am really not concerned with ROM morality.
Emulation is GOOD & BAD.
This could really turn into a long thread.
I just wish the code breakers would use their talents to aid in the production of more Neo Geo releases...
-BB</STRONG>

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While it sure is a good thing to actually preserve long-gone hardware by emulating it and make the miracles of obscure gaming platforms accessible to a general public, dumping brand new games which are on sale right now is nothing but greedy piracy.

If the dumpers haven't broken the encryption of MS3 so far, they sure as hell will in a few months, weeks, days, whatever.

I don't want sound green, I know what's going on with all that emu stuff, and I know bloody well too that most of these emu dudes start up GetRight and suck down gigs of stuff, and download a complete Neo Geo collection in two days, which would have taken years to assemble in normal life.

Emulation is nothing, it's just a technique. What it makes it good or bad are the people who want to HAVE, not to BE.

Hmpf <IMG SRC="smilies/spock.gif" border="0">

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[ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: Takumaji ]

Emulation means nothing to a collector, They will always want the original. If anything, Emulation has actually made people buy MVS's.... not sell them. Emulation is more of a demo or a sneak preview of a product.... if you want the full, unedited version... but an MVS <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> (If you catch my drift <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">)

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<STRONG>..I have said is that I am NOT against emulation, I'm against lamers and leeches who SELL CDRs of ROMs and burned games. </STRONG>

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I'll sign that any day.
nuf said...

I so badly want to get a Neo-Geo AES system, but my car has a habit of burning money. The nearest Neo-Geo MVS to me got taken away only months ago... despite playing the emulated versions of games on my laptop (which is almost perfect), there's just no substitute for the real thing.

I've played on several home Neo's (sadly none of them mine) and for a gaming experience it's solid gold.

For me NG emulation is just a placebo until I can afford the bona fide article.

Well, well, well, the evils of emulation up for discussion on this board again, eh? Here's my 0.02.....

Emulation itself isnt inherently evil. If you're crafty enough to find the roms, have a robust enough PC for them to run right, and are content with playing those, so be it.
I myself owned a Neo Geo back in the early 90's, then ended up selling it when the Saturn and PS rolled into town. Early last year, I found myself somewhat bored by the current offerings on today's consoles and started poking around with emu's like MAME and NeoRage. I became hooked on SNK funk again, and guess what? Now I own both an AES and an MVS/SuperNova set up, and I love the shit. Because at the end of the day, I realized that there's NO substitute for the real thing. NeoRage basically is good for a 'preview' of many Neo titles, I've made buying decisions based off of playing ROMs (especially since my local arcade scene bites big cock and offers zilch.) So before the high and mighty collectors come down off their pedestals to knock emu's, realize that they just might be another tool to build and enrich the scene. And don't go off half-cocked about emu's being responsible for killing SNK, either. SNK's apparent financial death had much more to do with their own fiscal irresponsibility and lack of innovation (hardware wise) than any pirates out there. I would however agree with many folks here that anyone who attempts to profit from selling pirated CDROMs of Neo ROMs should be shut the fuck down. Those guys are just as bad as the likes of NGF. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

I also have an objection those who think NeoRage + ROMS are OK for preview purposes. I mean, if you really mean to do that, I can't really stop you, but just know that SNK never, ever allowed us to evaluate their game by playing emus. It may be ethically justifiable, but it's still illegal. (hell, I even doubt majority of people have such ethity at all. Why would they care about buying the legal product when they actually "GOT" what they wanted?)

Yes, the biggest crime is to sell off those ROM collection as a profit. That's gonna piss off BOTH Neo hardware group (like this) and emuscene. When will those wankers ever learn?

before you come down on people for not paying for a game that could easily cost them $1200 for their aes (and you all know there are games that end up getting sold for that much), why don't you take a look at what you yourself do. do you have ANY mp3s on your computer? any at all mind you. have you ever copied a cd to to another cd or to tape? do you own all of the software you use on your computer that isnt freeware? seriously, have you got winzip? if you do, did you pay for it? i know somewhere on every computer there is something on everyones computer that wasnt payed for. 100 to 1 i say you all have something in your possession that you didnt pay for when you should have. emulation isnt a bad thing, everytime i start up neorage i get this deep urge to run out and buy a neo geo, but stores dont carry them, and id say id buy off of ebay, but i dont have a credit card at the moment, and neither of those fact matter, becuase i have rent every month and only get $5.50 an hour, so im just going to have to wait awhile till i can buy one, but dammit i will. cause everytime i play a kick ass neo game it just makes me want it that much more. not everyone is like that, but thats because they are greedy, im just poor. and as soon as im not poor, then im gonna get what i want.

Well I put on the school network Neo Rage and lots of roms and I must say it's a great thing to see an entire room of people playing the slugs, Sam Sho 2, all the KOF etc

People who had never even heard of Neo Geo, playing and enjoying the games. That is the beauty of emulation and my legacy to the school when I leave for university next year <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

If you seriously think that emulation affects sales then you are seriously deluded. If anything it has increased interest in the Neo.

Bit more arguments here.

"I'm poor","There are no Neo stores or arcades that carry MVS near my home" : Well, what can I say? then try at least to buy a console conversion. I too have no money to invest into Neo, so getting Dreamcast versions of those games are next best alternatives for me.

"Emulation does not affect marketplaces, especially SNK" : Yes, I once had the notion "Emulation hurting industry greatly? HA! It's NICHE! I tell ya, NICHE!" and it still holds true in US where distribution of emulation is quite limited due to its nature. I found out my assumption was seriously wrong in the Asian market. One my Korean buddy told me arcade incomes of MVS machines swiftly dwindled as NeoRage's popularity reached its climax in 1998. How? those Asian nations (spearheaded by Hong Kong and Taiwanese bootleggers) have very broad distributing methods of warez CDs, Neo ROM CDs included. That's the key difference between there and US and that's why the impact of emu on each respective regions are completely different. Heck, some console/PC mags over there even include ROMs with their bonus CDs, not knowing those are illegal.

Some guys from Spain have desencripted all the graphics, sounds and musics of KOF2000, and they say they'll have all the program code desencripted by the end of November.

I can't wait for the dumps of MS3 and KOF2k to come out! Man it'll be perfect, I can have them on my laptop at school, with multiplayer going on! Yeah man, and once they break the encryption they'll have all the other new games released.

Peace

JHendrix

PS. I actually own the MVS versions of those two games, I just want the EMU version so I can play on my laptop at school. So you can't flame me! Shoo, go away! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

OH MY GOD! Dude, I never really realized how good emulation is. I thought you guys were kinda crazy over the emulation as it didn't look anywhere near as good as the real thing (having seen both). As well as the controlls being pretty loose.
But now that I'm playing on my G4 and not on a PC laptop, and I have a new controller this is almost better than the Neo version. MacMame smooths out the pixelated graphics if you have an ATI card (and being on a monitor instead of the LCD helps smooth them out as well). Plus with the new controller the controls are spot on! Man, this stuff is about as good as playing on the arcade, I never realized how good this can look/play. I don't think this changes my opinion on ROMS but I can definitely see where you guys are coming from.

Peace

JHendrix

Emulation=A blast from the past

Already four files of Metal Slug 3 arrived at neogeo-world.com.

Selling roms=lame <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

PS: I want more Instant Graemlins, Shawn. Message Icons are ok, but cookies?!