Microsoft and XBOX win again!

http://www.thegia.com/news/0110/n12c.html

Check this shit out! Sega's loss is Mircosoft's gain! Weeeeeeeeeeee!

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that sucks I wanted shenmue II on my us dreamcast...

i was thinking about picking an xbox up the day it comes out but i went and playtested one yesterday and let me say i have second thoughts now...let me just say the xbox controller really sucks...it is very uncomfortable...the analog stick is very good but the regular d-pad is almost impossible to use....i won't buy an x-box unless i can get a different controller if you thought the dreamcast controller was bad this one is 10x worse

I didnt have to play test the X-Box to know their controller would suck ass. Have you ever tried a Sidewinder Game Pad Pro it completely sucks! Do a quarter circle forward on it if you can. I already knew I wasnt buying an X-Box. I mean if they cant even make a decent game pad (the primary controller for game console) what on God's earth makes me think they can make a decent gaming console. I mean there are only a dozen examples of good controller designs on the market and they still fuck it up. Just like Windows the operating system it took them 10 years to make a decent one while the Macintosh (Mac OS) had a full fledged GUI interface since the mid 80s. Dont believe the hype!

DAMN!!!
this sucks SO bad!!!
I can't believe that SEGA would do that to us...

... I think my sig will do the talking.

While I must admit that I'm a bit disappointed, it's also to be expected. Microsoft has made it it's mission to get all the exclusive Sega titles/franchises that Sony and Nintendo don't have yet. I don't know though, I really look forward to seeing how far Sega can go with this on the XBOX. I'm sure they can make a good story with the same massive, highly detailed levels that the first one had.

On a side note, I too have tried out the XBOX at my local EB. IMO, it looks like a very promising system, but yes, the controller is friggin' huge! I mean it's like you have to have hands the size of the average NBA player to hold it comfortably. Oh well, I still plan on getting one in November, guess I'll just buy a third party controller.

Damn that sucks, that why I hate Microsoft. Actually I'm Anti-Microsoft, I never buy any microsoft related product.

I personally have very positive feelings about XBox. The hardware design BLOWS AWAY any other console out now or due out soon (including GC), and there are some fantastic games coming for it. I preordered one at EB despite the stupid bundling thing (and despite the fact that I SAID to my self I would NOT fall for that bundling crap). There are many good launch titles (more than the pitiful GC launch linup, those are a joke) and many more coming down the road.

As for the controller, there are MANY other 3rd party controllers coming at launch or shortly thereafter, but Interact and other companies. Surely ONE of those other controllers will be a better alternative than the XBox one, which unfortunately I haven't seen yet . . .

Actually I'm Anti-Microsoft, I never buy any microsoft related product.

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There's just to much hate! <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">
Microsoft is a large company with plenty of corporation tie-ins. If you where actually be Anti-microsoft you wouldn't be able to use Apple computers, most Palm Pals, a Mojority of PCs but also major processors and I'm not even getting into all the small stacks Bill owns. You wouldn't even be able to use a Dreamcast so Just get over it!

Wait... you guys aren't buying an X-box because the pad sucks!?! That doesn't seem like a very good reason to me... you could, um, buy a different one.

I too am a little depressend Shemue 2 won't see a DC release outside of Japan. I don't plan on buying an x-box any time soon, but I will probably buy Shenmue 2 when it is released... eventually I will get to play it... Then again I still have not bought a PS2... and my copies of Klonoa 2, Parappa 2, and Beatmania 5 are just sitting on the shelf <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

-Nick

The only way the x-box can succeed is if current pc games developers( many of whom will no doubt switch to x-box) cease to push the boundaries as they currently do.

How often does a new pc game come out which requires just that little bit more power.

With a console they can;t do that anymore. Therefore the best looking x-box game will always be shadowed by a pc title which is coming out the next day/week whenever.

Since they will be pretty much the same as the latest pc titles anyway, nobody with any sense would get an x-box.

I think its a good thing. PSO is really well suited to the built in ethernet for XBOX, so I don't think lagging or bad connections should be a huge problem anymore. I just hope they find a good way to get rid of the cheaters and Black Screen of Death. <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">

Anyways, I can't wait to see what shenmue 2 looks like on XBOX. Can you say drooooooool?

Originally posted by nruva:
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I too am a little depressend Shemue 2 won't see a DC release outside of Japan. </STRONG>

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Its still coming out in Europe <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I just played a game on the XBOX and I an not impress. Same graphic as the PSX 2 and the controller feels like the DC.

-Pichai

Originally posted by Rain:
<STRONG>Its still coming out in Europe <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

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And you would know that how?

Up until 2 days ago it was still coming out in the USA, I even had it pre-ordered.

Sega-Europe just happened to remove ALL shenmue 2 dreamcast info/features from their site a couple days ago.

Funny for a game you claim is still coming out, face the facts, it's been canned too. It's not like the first shenmue sold well in the UK.

And don't tell me you know because theres UK game sites taking pre orders, if you look around the net theres still US game stores taking pre orders for US shenmue 2.

The original story at gamespot.com states that Shenmue 2 will still be released for DC in Europe
in fact here is the quote:

The company also made a related announcement, saying that Shenmue II will not be released for the North American Dreamcast. The game is already out for the Japanese Dreamcast and will be released on that console in Europe.

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Sounds like Chimpmeister is in the minority.

My personal opinion on the X-Box is that it will suffer and die a quick (about a year) death. In fact, many of my game playing friends actually HOPE this is the case! The reason why I think the X-Box will die is because Playstation is so firmly situated here in the US. It has well over 1,000 games to boast, many of them rivaling the X-Box. If one were to look at the stats of the X-Box, you'd probably find it was better than, say, the PS2 or the Gamecube, but, would the typical American game player be able to tell the difference? I think the answer to that question is "no". Plus, the average game player (right now) does not want to shell out $400 for the damn thing, anyway! That is my prediction.

Jon

I read Charles Belfield interview from IGN and found out MS payed a chunka cash to Sega of America to make Shen Mue2 X-box exclusive. In return, MS will be handling Shen Mue2 advertising. At least they will be better than what Sega did. So, I'm really confident (or hope really much) that I will at least get Euro version. Sure, my NTSC TV won't handle that PAL baby, but at least I can run in on VGA box.

As for X-box, the effort put into X-box is helluva better than PSX2 and Gamecube. IMO, PSX2 does not deserve to win this generation console war. but it seems like they are after all. Gamecube is shades of N64 all over once again. This time, they don't even have shadow of SNES behind either.

X-box is not $400, it's $300, which is same price as PSX2. I fully understand Sega's reason to support X-box. They can't let Sony win, but they are not gonna go very far by supporting Gamecube either, so supporting X-box is most logical choice for them.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Sounds like Chimpmeister is in the minority.

My personal opinion on the X-Box is that it will suffer and die a quick (about a year) death. In fact, many of my game playing friends actually HOPE this is the case! The reason why I think the X-Box will die is because Playstation is so firmly situated here in the US. It has well over 1,000 games to boast, many of them rivaling the X-Box. If one were to look at the stats of the X-Box, you'd probably find it was better than, say, the PS2 or the Gamecube, but, would the typical American game player be able to tell the difference? I think the answer to that question is "no". Plus, the average game player (right now) does not want to shell out $400 for the damn thing, anyway! That is my prediction.

Jon</STRONG>

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Uh, you lost me on something. You said there are over 1000 games out for Playstation, what does that have to do with the next generation systems like PS2, GC, and XBox? Right, NOTHING.

PSX games are showing their age, they're really ugly by comparison to DC or any other next gen system games. How you can try to bring those games into it is baffling to me.

Maybe you should try to let the PS2 games stand by themselves, thats the issue here. PS2 has only a small handful of decent games, and many very disappointing or substandard ones. The PS2 is a very poorly designed console, and I believe the games bear that out. 4MB of VRAM is a big weakness in the console, even the DC has 8MB VRAM.

Time will tell, but don't expect the XBox to "die within a year", more likely the PS2 will be in a serious decline by that time. Being such a poorly designed console, it certainly won't have a very long life . . .

first, the 1000 psx titles do matter to ps2, because even if they dont look as good anymore there are still several great games for that system, games that will never be crappy, no matter how bad they look. ps2 only lives now becaus eo fall those games, if not for them the ps2 wouldnt have done as well as it has so far. i think xbox has a hell of a strugle on their hands, so many people deeply dislike microsoft and will avoid the xbox like a plague. many peopel wont even give it a chance to see how shitty it actually is. gamecube looks to be the best of the up comming systems, but its kiddie level may be very high like the n64, and that scares me. i have a feeling ps2 will continue to survive only be a few rare quality games, as the n64 did, the xbox will die EVENTUALLY due to the fact that many peopel already are against it having never seen it, and many more will soon be against it because they wont like the design. some people will like it, others wont. gamecubes biggest downside is nintendos recent history "serious" gamers may fear getting it just because of the numbers of childish games nintendo puts out. but for nintendo, the prrice is right, $200 beats $300 anyday, and most people have dvd players anyway, why buy another? nintendo is smart for going with an approach of "its only about the games" as far as attracting gamers, because why else are they going to buy a system but to play games? of course, they could all go down the crapper, and we'd all be s.o.l.(for those of us who like newer games in addition to classics). i guess well all have to wait and see.

I don't trust anything with a Pentium processor. PC technology has too many bottle
necks (i.e. bus speed, etc.) and this will create problems. The Pentium 3 processor is
limited to one major function and 2 simple instructions per cycle, so I can't picture
this system rendering thousands of sprites, backgrounds, etc., without some
slowdown. The PS2 has problems with slowdown, but at least they could have used
a faster Pentium or Athlon processor. For crying out loud, an AMD Duron
outperforms the PIII in graphics, FPU calculations, etc., and its more cost effective
than the PIII! How ridiculous does that sound? <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/makeface.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0">

The only thing that is saving the Xbox is its Geforce 2 video card and 200Mhz DDR
(RAM) configuration.

The Pentium III's bus speed is 133MHZ; the DRR Ram used in the Xbox runs at
200MHZ ; this would be a performance issue in itself, because the bus speed has to
match the speed of the system's RAM to create a smooth transition.
The result would be a fast, but choppy frame rate in some graphic intensive
applications.

Since the PIII's bus speed is slower than the system's DRR (Ram), the DDR (RAM) will have to run slower (at the speed of the system's bus) to accommodate the slower transfer, because the memory will be trying to access data faster than the CPU can produce it.

Of course, this problem would only occur if the game demands ample CPU
processing power. I have faith in the Xbox, but don't think for a second that PC
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[ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: NeoLord ]

Originally posted by NeoLord:
<STRONG>The only thing that is saving the Xbox is its Geforce 2 video card and 200Mhz DDR
(RAM) configuration.

The Pentium III's bus speed is 133MHZ; the DRR Ram used in the Xbox runs at
200MHZ ; this would be a performance issue in itself, because the bus speed has to
match the speed of the system's RAM to create a smooth transition.
The result would be a fast, but choppy frame rate in some graphic intensive
applications.

Since the PIII's bus speed is slower than the system's DRR (Ram), the DDR (RAM) will have to run slower (at the speed of the system's bus) to accommodate the slower transfer, because the memory will be trying to access data faster than the CPU can produce it.

Of course, this problem would only occur if the game demands ample CPU
processing power. I have faith in the Xbox, but don't think for a second that PC
technology is the best way to create a console system, because it isn't. <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">

[ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: NeoLord ]</STRONG>

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It's a good point Neo Lord, but thankfully, the CPU will barely even touch the really intense graphical stuff. The Geforce card will really make the difference here. It is a really interesting test... take a P2 with no video card and try to play Quake 3... it chugs like a bitch... put in a NVidia board and watch how it flys with all the goodies turned on. The truth is, the CPU barely matters when it comes to computing 3d graphics... We will have to see how it works, but the chips in the X-box are not your standard fair. The CPU has been customized for performance, there is a ton of memory, nice graphic card... and a streamlined OS core that is built of 2000 technology.... OK, so maybe it will suck... I don't even claim to know. I did play them at E3, and I was not blown away by the games... but putting it side by side to a PS2, they look the same... and I thought the Game Cube looked terrible... Dreamcast easily out performed all games Nintendo demoed. What it is going to come down to is games... and I love Sega. For me, X-box looks like the long term winner, but I still say, none of the new systems, xbox, ps2, game cube, even came close to thrilling me the way the DC did when I first saw it at E3 years ago! I don't know, I really truly feel the best system already lost!

-Nick

I think I might sit out this generation of consoles.

Nothing so far has interested me, and I would just rather keep my money. But something might make me change my mind. When the Dreamcast first came out I wasn't at first thrilled by it, I was still thinking about my Playstation.

But I got a Dreamcast and don't regret it one minute, except for the fact that I didn't wait long enough for all the price drops. Whoops.

I think over the next couple years I will focus on Neo-Geo games, and I might even get a Sega Saturn.

I've wanted Iron Storm and Panzer Dragoon ever since the moment I laid eyes on them. What better time to get it? Besides, you know, when it first came out.