ECM finally speaks

Viewpoint · Oct 3, 2001

Well seeing as I knew it was going to happen it was only a matter of time before it was official. But ECM finally told everyone what was up with GameGo!

http://www.gamegomagazine.com/board/viewthread.php3?FID=2&TID=7631

Nick Goracke · Oct 3, 2001

Basically "the mag is screwed and I want nothing to do with it..."

Nice.

ThePunisher · Oct 3, 2001

this sucks!!! but what was everyone talking about with kodomo and ecm making (rekindling) a friendship or somethimg?

Blaine · Oct 3, 2001

This is so disheartening.

I realize that I have no justifiable right to be angry, but I am.

I really do feel taken.

I was going to go out this friday and buy every copy of GameGo! I could find and then tell the idiot clerk to tell his boss they sold out and order some more.

Spent a lot of time defending that magazine...

It just seems like ECM and Haoh couldn't give a shit.

Caris Nautilus · Oct 3, 2001

Well bottom line is, what their saying is the mags dead.

It's amazing how fast something can fall apart and people can ditch it cold when things go wrong.

The fighting and such going on means they were never that strong of a group to begin with (you find out whos a true friend in times like that).

Oh well, that's one scandle I have no intrest in reading. One question, is everyone getting their money back that got a years subscription? Al signs point to no...

ThePunisher · Oct 3, 2001

yeah i feel bad for all the people who got subscriptions. i was going to get a subscription after issue 2 came out. How can that be legal anyway if you paid for 12 issues and you only got 1? It did sort of seem like he didnt care that much. BTW does anyone have an extra copy of issue 1 they'd want to sell cause i screwed up my first one

Caris Nautilus · Oct 3, 2001

Originally posted by ThePunisher:
yeah i feel bad for all the people who got subscriptions. i was going to get a subscription after issue 2 came out. How can that be legal anyway if you paid for 12 issues and you only got 1? It did sort of seem like he didnt care that much. BTW does anyone have an extra copy of issue 1 they'd want to sell cause i screwed up my first one

From what ive read there, that ECM guy and the others left that mag cold and fast when they ran into trouble, kind of like "Fuck it, i'm gone".

Also I think by law they have to give refunds, unless their was a clause in the subscriptions contract about bankruptcy.

[ October 03, 2001: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]

Nick Goracke · Oct 3, 2001

Brought to you by the editor of Gamefan! Pay for your subscription and don't get any issues!

Sorry... subscribed to Gamefan back in the day and like many others, didn't get half of my issues... and the ones that did come were late, late, late.

And Blaine, you have every right to be angry. If you were promised a magazine subscription and didn't get jack, you should feel taken. If you donated it with hopes the mag would get back on its feet, you have every right to be angry because, from the sounds of things, they likely had no intentions of getting it going again...

Caris Nautilus · Oct 3, 2001

Originally posted by Nick Goracke:
Brought to you by the editor of Gamefan! Pay for your subscription and don't get any issues!

Sorry... subscribed to Gamefan back in the day and like many others, didn't get half of my issues... and the ones that did come were late, late, late.

And Blaine, you have every right to be angry. If you were promised a magazine subscription and didn't get jack, you should feel taken. If you donated it with hopes the mag would get back on its feet, you have every right to be angry because, from the sounds of things, they likely had no intentions of getting it going again...

The thing I don't get is, they paid the money up front for issue one no doubt, where did all the money go for people who subscribed after they got issue one?

Seems like they just took the money and cut their losses. This may be harsh to say, but they did scam all the people who subscribed, since they aren't getting what they paid for, or a refund.

I was laughing when they were asking for donations, or expecting them. How about you try and get the people what they paid for first, before bleeding more money out of them.

RyoGeo · Oct 3, 2001

I subscribed early on. Couldn't care less for the twenty bucks that I lost. What's twenty bucks, anway? I'm just bummed that the coverage they were going to provide is gone. I was excited to see the direction it was going to take. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/crying.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

Caris Nautilus · Oct 3, 2001

Originally posted by RyoGeo:
I subscribed early on. Couldn't care less for the twenty bucks that I lost. What's twenty bucks, anway? I'm just bummed that the coverage they were going to provide is gone. I was excited to see the direction it was going to take. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/crying.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

Well 20 bucks is still 20 bucks, i'd still feel scammed... I mean it's not like you just send people 20 bucks for fun.

Dolphin · Oct 3, 2001

Wow, it would seem as if GameGo died a death fitting for a dotcom start-up.

RyoGeo · Oct 3, 2001

Well, I don't know about that, Drift. A table dance will run you twenty bucks. <IMG SRC="smilies/drool2.gif" border="0"> And it's not like I have anything real to take home after that. Well...at least I hope not! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> Anyway, I know what you're saying but it's just not that big a deal to me and certainly not worth fretting over. I'd much rather get an ulcer thinking about SNK's financial status. <IMG SRC="smilies/crying.gif" border="0">

TonK · Oct 3, 2001

Originally posted by Drift King EX:
Well 20 bucks is still 20 bucks, i'd still feel scammed... I mean it's not like you just send people 20 bucks for fun.

Exactly!

BIG BEAR · Oct 3, 2001

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posted October 03, 2001 06:41 AM Edited By: NeoGman on 3 Oct 2001 06:44

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I worked for GameGo. I enjoyed it. It crashed, ECM wandered off, and Haoh was more or less awol for a good few weeks too - but guess what?

I don't think they "owe us" anything. You guys get more information with less effort than anyone ever (Remind me to tell you sometime how hard it was to get info out of Atari back in the day) and still you bitch and moan.

For those of you supporting GameGo: Good on ya, keep up the good work, and keep that attitude handy - not just for GameGo, but for everyone else that tries and fails. And tries again.

Sometimes shit happens. In my mind the true measure of a man (or chick) is attitude: you either cope with a smile or you fling muck and complain.

I'm gonna get back to work, playin' the games, mashing the buttons, and trying to deliver to you guys whatever I can. I'm sorry in advance for the miserable prose I'm gonna foist on you.

Lawrence.
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If it ain't Robotron, Raiden or Atari, I'll still like it. But not as much.

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posted October 03, 2001 07:33 AM

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You don't think they "owe us" anything?!??? Are you fucking stoned? You think after we give you subscription money we don't deserve to be told why we won't be getting a magazine for the money we spent? You need to get your head out of your fucking ass!!! Like I give a fuck about your Atari story! The way I see it if it wasn't for Kodomo posting his "opinion" alot of us still wouldn't know shit! At least he had the balls to tell us something! Alot more then I can say about the rest of the staff! I love this site but the shit your "staff" is shoveling is getting annoying! At least we still have all the cool people on this board! Take a page from ETHUGG "100% honest 100% of the time. If you guys could even try this approach at least you wouldn't have a bunch of angry people on this board. We are all big boys. We can handle it! Don't be so scared to tell us what's up. A big thanks goes out to Kodomo. Without his input I still wouldn't know shit and I doubt that ECM would have bothered to post his "trying not to laugh" BS.

Nigel is one happy subscriber don't you think?
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-BB

Caris Nautilus · Oct 3, 2001

I agree with what Nigel said. They owe all the people that supported them a HELLUVA lot, they def, I think it's arrogant of them to just walk away, without telling all the people that paid why they aren't getting shit.

I guess they weren't as cool as I thought they were, the true colors get shown.

BIG BEAR · Oct 3, 2001

Yeah Caris.. I am 'SHOCK'ed at the response from ECM..I mean it was just like a 'ho hum' "I was in it for the money" type comment..
It really did'nt come off as an apology but more of a "I'm being hassled to respond so I'll respond for responding sake"
His response was pretty vague IMO...
Not very professional of him at all...
pretty bad...great mag too...
-BB <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

chimpmeister · Oct 3, 2001

It is unfortunate, ECM's response was really lame. I guess he just didn't give a shit anymmore . . . <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

Shin Guile X · Oct 3, 2001

This always happens!! I just subscribed to them! (a week before that the mag was on hold). Also I renewed my sub to gamefan on about a month before it died. AND I sent them 200 bucks for some back issues that I lost and I never got them. <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

diffusionx · Oct 3, 2001

Basically, ECM created a huge mess and then left it for others to clean up after him. Anybody who wants one WILL get a refund, just hit Haomaru (Tom Keller) up for a refund. Thats the guy who is cleaning up.

ECM's attitude is appalling. I guess it always was (just read his elitist stance in mags), but he DID like games. But its bad, overall. ECM took a rather skeezy NGF-ish approach to the current situation, and I lost any and all respect I had for him.

Jackal · Oct 3, 2001

It's a dog gone shame. My condolences for all those who subscribed and saw jack shit of their subscriptions. ECM's basically jumping ship was a tad disheartening.

At least Kenshin will get Issue 2's contents to us one way or another, he says.

I like the idea of a GameGO! Online. Maybe that would fly better than a print mag. I just hope that it doesn't die as well.

Blaine · Oct 3, 2001

Online Mag's are a dime a dozen.

Hell, I could create a website that is better (well..better designed at leas <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">) than 90% of the ones out there.

There's just something about having a tangible magazine that a web-zine can't do.

Liquid Snake · Oct 3, 2001

Gamefan, GameGo!.........sigh...... <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

I miss the old days so much

Loopz · Oct 3, 2001

"AW MAN! GAMEGO'S DEAD!!! THAT WAS SUCH AN AWESOME MAGAZINE!!!" -typical response.

Guys, guys, guys...

Yeah, we lost a magazine dedicated to games we like. Sad, but true. However, lord knows how much of a gigantic edge the web has over print in terms of getting us new info on games...print magazines are essentially no longer relevant because of the large delay from the time something is written until it actually hits newsstands. So, we aren't missing jack in terms of "news".

"YEAH, BUT I LOVE THE WRITING AND KILLER REVIEWS...."

Um, fuck that.

Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that despite all the pledges of 'absolute objectivity', etc, etc, the writing in both GameGo and GameFan was absolute shit. Having great taste in games is an entirely different matter than being ABLE TO WRITE ABOUT THEM. Just because those guys knew how to thumb through a thesaurus and dig up forty-eight new words to describe how 'godly' (that one's from the Mullet) a line-scroll is doesn't make them more qualified to judge games than you. It seems to me that from the earliest days of E. Storm and the OG GameFan to Lil' Terry and His Band O'GameGO Rebels, their primary mission was to get quoted on the back of game inserts rather than deal in useful information and observations about games we spend shitloads of cash on. The only thing GameGO! actually had over GameFan was at least they didn't dole out the most untrue bullshit rumors as 'news', which is again something that would prove impossible in the common internet age. Anyone remember issue 5 of GameFan (Terminator Sega CD on the cover) where they had a half page of 'inside' blather about Street Fighter 3, which ended up not coming out for another 5 YEARS, and had zero in common with the 'beta' they described. My point is this. Just because the fellows who wrote for GameFan and GameGO covered good games, doesn't mean they covered 'em well. As much as you might hate 'mainstream' EGM, the reviews and articles are written with actual useful information, not irrelevant anecdotes about being in high school and enjoying MUSHA. I did that too, but that doesn't make me fucking qualified to write a mag, as these arrogant chumps (Anthony Chau and Tom Keller excluded) assumed. <IMG SRC="smilies/annoyed.gif" border="0">

Shin Guile X · Oct 3, 2001

Originally posted by Loopz:
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Guys, guys, guys...

Yeah, we lost a magazine dedicated to games we like. Sad, but true. However, lord knows how much of a gigantic edge the web has over print in terms of getting us new info on games...print magazines are essentially no longer relevant because of the large delay from the time something is written until it actually hits newsstands. So, we aren't missing jack in terms of "news".

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Yeah but you are forgetting THE MAIN advantage that mags have over the internet, You can take the mag with you to the john!!

[ October 03, 2001: Message edited by: Shin Guile X ]

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