GAMERS Vs COLLECTORS

Which are you?

Me? I'm a gamer and always will be. I'm proud to associate myself with the Neo Geo because it's always been a niche system for the hardcore, largely due to the costs involved.

But, look at the original purpose of the AES.
It was supposed to be, and is, a home arcade system. The AES was, and IMO is, for hardcore gamers. For what you got in terms of quality the original costs of the system were not that bad.

I mean, imagine if Fatal Fury had been a stand alone aracde machine, like Out Run for example, you'd have paid thousands to have a BRAND NEW unit in your home back in 1990 or you'd put up with a lame Genesis conversion by Takara.
So, back in 1990, £150-£200 for Fatal Fury was quite reasonable.

But now the collectors have come along and fucked things right up. They've bought all the copies of the rarer titles, and multiple-copies of others and have driven the prices through the ceiling...

This means that people like me can't afford, (or refuse to pay the stupid prices), quality second-hand titles we want, because what spares copies are about, people are asking a kings ransom for and its not right.

Take Metal Slug. Great game. Bloody brilliant. Is it worth $1500?

Is it fuck.

I could buy an original, mint, sit down, hydraullic OutRun (just an example - there are probably better) cabinet for that and have change.

There are other titles I could mention but you know what they are. None of them are worth the current estimated values.

And do these people play the games once they get them?

No.

They wrap them up in cotton wool and let them gather dust. And the market price rises again.

I look at the collection photos and I think: jesus christ who needs four copies of Metal Slug 3 - they all play the same!

You know, two copies of this, six copies of that.

WHY?

There's no need. It's not big and it's not clever.

The Neo Geo is a games console. You play video games on it. Period.

You want to collect something?

Try collecting, fucking, stamps. Stop fucking the market up so no one else can afford the games.

This sounds like a personal issue man. No offense. If you're a gamer, why even worry about the AES market? You make it sound like there's no option for you. Try MVS or Neo CD. The MVS has every game out there and for much cheaper. If you're so offended by the AES market, you must be a collector yourself, because a gamer wouldn't care. Like I said, the MVS is out there for you...so what's the problem again?

Also, what's wrong with collecting games? You're posting on the wrong site if you're objecting to collecting games, my friend. Most of us here collect and play, but if you ONLY play, don't make such a big fuss out of it.

Do I make any sense here guys?

I'm a gamer first, hell i can't afford many of the AES games, but luckily there is a NGCD at my disposal too, which has ms1,ms2 etc, I don't mind the loading times at all as long as we can PLAY them,

some of those games i could never get on my AES.

such a shame the collectors have ruined the scene.

Actually I have to agree with asian-missile above. Wanna play your games like a nut? Go for MVS. I actually like the collection aspect of it all, gives me something to focus on and actually brings me joy when I play my games (carefully <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">)

Yeah, collectors do screw up the prices but hey, it's a free world and owning a rare cart is something to fight for. MS1 being worth $1500 is a weird thing but there aren't that many carts worth that much, most of them are for me within a reasonable price-range concerning what you get.

Now, YES it is only a video-game system but it's an expensive one at that with rare, quality stuff associated with a TON of memories for most of the ppl around here. That's why I think collecting is ok.

It's all about working hard, saving and then nailing it on e-bay and just saviour the minty mint scent of a new cart <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0">

// Bhm

Where does this crap come from that mvs is for gamers and aes is for collectors?
that may be the case now as the games are hard to get hold of but i had a neo geo aes system for 6 years and i the reason i got it was to play games, i aint going to fork out 200+ for a game and let it sit there, i used my neo almost as much as my megadrive{genesis} i only had 5 games for it including metal slug original which only cost me £180 at the time and i could not believe how much it goes for now

I sold my aes a few years back and this year got a mvs and have nearly 20 games which are reasonably priced now compared to the aes ones
there is no way in hell i could even afford an aes with the games i got now
games are for playing end of story!!!

And do these people play the games once they get them?

No.

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Yes. Every day, speaking for me.

I started as a gamer and decided to collect because I like the pretty artwork. So sue me. asian-missile, you've got a good point there. If you don't like the AES prices, buy MVS or CD. Who said you had to buy AES titles? I think most people forget that most collectors ARE gamers. They collect because they love the games that much. Titles like MS1 aren't really expensive because 3 guys are sitting on 100 copies each. MS1 is expensive because so many people want it and are willing to pay well for it.

Tarma, sounds like you got in the home scene too late. MS1 wasn't a ball-busting, expensive title. It was $270 (or something like that) when it was released. Don't be pissed off because you're late on the bandwagon. AES games are affordable at release, you're just whining about the used market.

Please believe me when I say I play my rare carts a lot. I play them as much as my common ones, if not more.

I'm a gamer, although I probably have a hint of "collectionitis" in me.

I prefer games I buy to come in original box and manual, everything in at least "good" shape.
But in the end, I know it's the game at heart that matters. It's just like a party. You got people and decorations. The decorations help enhance the experience, but it's the people thats makes the party.

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<STRONG>AES Game I want
Blazing Star</STRONG>

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Hehe, you'll play that one a lot when you get it.

Originally posted by Tarma:
<STRONG>lame Genesis conversion by Takara.
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It wasn't that bad.

i am a gamer. me personally i don't care for many collectors cuz most collectors act as if they are gods to people like us. because they spend a million bucks on a game that alot of us have to save for a while to get. and some of the collectors seem to think becuz we can't afford a game means we are not hardcore gamers. i don't see how being able to afford a game makes a difference if u are a hardcore gamer or not. u could be poor as fuck and still play nes games for 5 bucks a cart and be a hardcore gamer. THAT'S ONE THING SOME OF THE ASSHOLE COLLECTORS NEED TO UNDERSTAND (i am not talking about all collectors just the ones that think there shit don't stink). and i agree that the whole collector thing is probly the reason why games are so high priced cuz they buy up all the carts then the minute someone is lookin for it they jack the price up ten times the amount it used to be, and once one dam guy does it all the sudden everyone and there mom is doin it. The next thing ya know u couldn;t afford a game u wanted if your dam life depended on it. So i'm for the bein a gamer and will always be a gamer!

I think you can be both. For example, I play my games like crazy, but I like to take great care of them. They all look new and almost un-touched. I like that new look, plus I just like to take care of my stuff. I guess in way, that is colecting. Still, I don't understand why someone would just collect and not play. Dosen't seem right to me.

Originally posted by asian-missile:
<STRONG>This sounds like a personal issue man. No offense. If you're a gamer, why even worry about the AES market? You make it sound like there's no option for you. Try MVS or Neo CD. The MVS has every game out there and for much cheaper. If you're so offended by the AES market, you must be a collector yourself, because a gamer wouldn't care. Like I said, the MVS is out there for you...so what's the problem again?

Also, what's wrong with collecting games? You're posting on the wrong site if you're objecting to collecting games, my friend. Most of us here collect and play, but if you ONLY play, don't make such a big fuss out of it.

Do I make any sense here guys?</STRONG>

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correct

I'm more of a Gamer.I'm no collector.Recently,this forum is having some bad press about being a collector's place.

I think we should stop that "vs" thing. It's not a Capcom game, after all... <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I too dislike price gougers and cart hoarders, but there's a difference between them and real collectors, who in most cases truly admire the artwork, diversity and emotional and economical value of Neo carts, both by collecting and playing them. Hoarders just want to have-have-have.

I'm not a collector, but we should stop bashing eachother. It's getting old.

Couple of things I'd like to clear up if you'll let me.

Yes, I was late to the Neo Geo scene (in terms of owning a system), but back in 1990 I was only 13. Although I had a weekend job, the AES was WAY out of my reach and I'd bitch about forking out 40 quid for a Genesis cart!!

Nevertheless, today some titles are quite reasonable. I picked up MS3 (new) for £200 (about $285). Now I thought that was a steal at that price (if I imported you'd have to add shipping and V.A.T).

Today I own both an AES and Neo Geo CD, but there are some games I prefer far more on cart. Especially KOF & LB. There is nothing more annoying than waiting between rounds for loading of your next opponent.

Some CD games are just as extortionate as carts - i.e. Ironclad, Ninja Masters and Metal Slug (again!!).

MVS is great. I've got nothing against MVS at all, it's just not for me personally. I have no room for a cabinet and I'm not interested in buying a SuperGun. Seeing as MVS carts and AES carts have EXACTLY the same game content - why the huge price gap?

Metal Slug MVS - £50
Metal Slug AES - £1500 <IMG SRC="smilies/eek2.gif" border="0">

Now, there are collectors and there are collectors.

Q: What do you call your videogames?

A: A collection.

You don't have a pride of videogames, you don't have a menagerie of videogames, or a posse, or an anthology, or an assembly - you have a collection. So we're all collectors, so I'm a collector, I'd like some of the rarer titles.

What I don't want is multiple copies so I deprive other potential owners. Especially when my sole purpose is to drive the price up to make a huge profit. Or to make me look cool - "oooh look at me - I have FOUR copies of Ninja Masters... oohhh I'm sooooo cool"

No you're not. You're an idiot. Not all you're dogs are barking. You're about 5 cans short of a six pack.

Ten years from now games like Kizuna Encounter and Ninja Masters will be worth next to nothing. Look at rare NES and Atari titles. Do they fetch thousands of dollars? No. But certain titles were produced in small quantities... making them a rarerity today.

It's totally pointless, hoarding copies of certain games. People will reach a breaking point and lose interest, then they'll be no buyers for your "minty fresh Euro Kizuna".

Bah!

These are the people that irritate me. It's not just a personal issue, I know a lot of other people feel the same way.

The few that ruin it for the masses.

But, then, isn't that always the case?
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Everybody that gets so pissed off about it: write me a poem. It's fucking video games, not the end of the world. I'm sorry but I have better things to worry about (such as building my house, juggling 3 jobs, etc), other than if some guy holding 4 copies of MS1 is going to ruin value on AES carts. Get an MVS is you're going to get so pissy about things.

Now, at 29 and a company to run, i'm 75% collector and 25% gamer...
For me it's just a matter of time... don't have much time left to play... too bad <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

By the way, keep in mind that one thing is a collector, who usually is also a gamer and buys games to play and collect'em because he loves them; another thing is a speculator, who buys games for the sole purpose of reselling them makin' profit...

words of wisdoms little takuma


people buying 23782898392 copies of kof 2000 or slug 3 or stuff like that

they got a greedy soul

they only want silver and gold

BUT

personally speakin,
i am both

i havent lost my thunder,though

gamer cos i play with my expensive shit and im a TOPS kof / garou and so on player
( ON players can suck my dig )

collector cos i like mahjong retsuden very bleedin much and now i even want syougi

gonna go and make meself some tea now

...


alright

[ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: Fran ]

btw

all i wanted for christmas was mahjong retsuden

yeah?

now ive gotten it


its ace


( ON kof experts can still suck it btw )

I'm a gamer first and foremost, but like Steve I have a bit of collector's blood in me.

-I only wanted to get the US releases of Neo Carts (since my first cart, KOF '94, was US version I wanted them all to be that way).
-I keep my 23 home carts and my home cart system covered with towels to prevent dust accumulation, which are the only games for any system I do that for
-I'm willing to pay 300+ bucks for a new release (but not 1000 for 'rare' carts. Screw that), which is obsessive no matter how you slice it considering it's VIDEO GAMES!
-I baby my carts and treat them like priceless artifacts when I handle them
-I buy home systems whenever they become available to me because I always want working hardware to play my games on. If one neo dies for some reason, break out the next <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

But in the end, I didn't spend 300 on my US Garou home cart so that I could look at it on my shelf. I played, and still play, the hell out of that game. And I played the hell out of all my others, too.

An example of me being 'gamer first':

I bought KOF2K Japanese version because it was the only legitimate way, in my mind, to get the game at all. If Shawn sells a US KOF2K1, I may go that route but only if he can get the game out at the same time as the Japanese release. I want to play the game first and foremost, and I don't feel like waiting an extra month or two when I know that it's readily available before then.

So, yeah...games are meant to be played <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[EDIT-added comment about buying multiple home cart systems]

[ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: Taiso ]

Collectors VS. Gamers and the NBA Playoffs

(I used to love that old series on Genesis)

Seriously, I have a lot of neo games but I play them. I just last night I had a Metal Slug Marathon with some friends. We played 1 & X on MVS and then played 3 on home cart (with some kof2k and CvS-DC mixed in too).

Originally posted by Taiso:
<STRONG>I'm a gamer first and foremost, but like Steve I have a bit of collector's blood in me.

-I only wanted to get the US releases of Neo Carts (since my first cart, KOF '94, was US version I wanted them all to be that way).
-I keep my 23 home carts and my home cart system covered with towels to prevent dust accumulation, which are the only games for any system I do that for
-I'm willing to pay 300+ bucks for a new release (but not 1000 for 'rare' carts. Screw that), which is obsessive no matter how you slice it considering it's VIDEO GAMES!
-I baby my carts and treat them like priceless artifacts when I handle them
-I buy home systems whenever they become available to me because I always want working hardware to play my games on. If one neo dies for some reason, break out the next <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

But in the end, I didn't spend 300 on my US Garou home cart so that I could look at it on my shelf. I played, and still play, the hell out of that game. And I played the hell out of all my others, too.

An example of me being 'gamer first':

I bought KOF2K Japanese version because it was the only legitimate way, in my mind, to get the game at all. If Shawn sells a US KOF2K1, I may go that route but only if he can get the game out at the same time as the Japanese release. I want to play the game first and foremost, and I don't feel like waiting an extra month or two when I know that it's readily available before then.

So, yeah...games are meant to be played <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

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[ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: Taiso ]</STRONG>

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With you all the way on that one Taiso.
I appreciate very much the need to look after your system(s) and games.
But I think you understand the angle I was trying to get at.
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