The USA KOF 2K, Breaking news, It may be a fake.

This is a report from kiselgof comparing the Jap KOF 2k cart, And the english NGF KOF 2k cart. These are just selections from the report, The full report can be seen here:
http://members.aol.com/makiselgof/graphics/report.doc

"""""Inspection Criteria

The following materials were evaluated in preparation of this report:

· KOF2000 AES USA cart from NGF (box, insert, manual, bag, cart w/sticker)
· KOF2000 AES Japanese cart from NCS (box, insert, manual, bag, cart w/sticker)
· KOF1999 AES USA cart from SNK-USA (box, insert, manual, cart w/sticker)
· Metal Slug 3 AES Japanese cart from NCS (box, insert, manual, cart w/sticker)

This report is based strictly on the physical observations of the above materials only. No other criteria, including but not limited to past history of NGF-USA, verbal information from NGF-USA or other members, or other materials not present in my possession, was included in the generation of this report.

The results point to an unusually larger size in the KOF2000 USA version of the insert. An analysis of the DPI printing procedures was conducted in the KOF2000 USA and JP versions using a 4x magnifying glass. An area 13mm in length on the back of the insert with the portrait of the Vanessa character was used as a sample. The analysis indicated that the print pattern of the KOF2000 USA version was different from the JP version with an estimated ratio of 3:2 in terms of black circular dot patterns. The paper-weight of the KOF2000 USA was approximately 1pt. higher than the other inserts, utilizing a rough scale of Xerox glossy paper grading. The overall gloss and color DPI on the USA insert was richer and included less green hues and more red hues compared to the JP insert. The NEO-GEO logo on the spine and the Meg Count Box both had a discrepancy in the form of jagged, linear edges on the curvatures of the letters and numbers. None of the other SNK-Japan produced versions had this discrepancy and instead featured smooth curvatures. The SNK blue logo did not have a discrepancy in terms of the jaggedness but featured a discrepancy in the form of horizontal lines of black dots in the blue background, viewed under the 4x magnification. The other three SNK-Japan produced versions featured lines of black dots slanted at a ~25% angle from the vertical. The serial number for the game was presented as NGH-2571, the correct terminology for this version. The overall image of the KOF2000 USA insert is presented in Picture 1.
The binding on the KOF2000 USA manual was skewed by about 1mm on the back half of the pages. The binding staples were shorter that those of the JP manual version. The paper-weight of the KOF2000 USA version was higher than the JP version, with the paper being whiter and glossier on all ensuing middle pages. The binding process and the difference in paper quality contributed to a wider radius for the USA manual when left in a free-opened state as illustrated in Picture 2.

The SNK blue logo on the cover of the KOF2000 USA manual was missing the registered trademark symbol but was comparable to the KOF1999 USA manual in this regard.

The blue logo on the cover of the KOF2000 USA manual featured a discrepancy in the form of horizontal lines of black dots in the blue background, viewed under 4x magnification. The other three SNK-Japan produced versions featured lines of black dots slanted at a ~25% angle from the vertical. The blue logo and descriptive lettering on the cover of the KOF2000 USA manual also featured a discrepancy in the form of jagged, linear edges on the curvatures of the letters and numbers. The KOF2000 JP version, along with the other two SNK-Japan versions, featured smooth curvatures. An analysis of the bottom of the background on the inner manual pages was conducted using a 4x magnifying glass. The KOF2000 USA version had a lower concentration of black DPI in the background illustrations of Kyo and crispier white edges. Pages 4 and 5 of the KOF2000 USA version had a different font for page numbers from the rest of the pages and the same pages in the JP version. There was no vertical spine creasing on the KOF2000 USA version, a discrepancy with the other three versions, which all featured extensive vertical spine creasing indicating a lower quality and lower weight paper. The overall image of the KOF2000 USA manual is presented in Picture 3.

yellow warning-use label found on all USA market cartridges manufactured since 1996 and had a shadow that indicated the former presence of a gold sticker there that may have been removed. The KOF2000 USA cartridge sticker had a glossy feel similar to the insert and the manual cover and did not have the stain-resistant plastic gloss finish that was present on the three other versions examined. The lack of this plastic gloss finish also contributed to distinctly crisp lettering in the Neo Geo logo symbol, something absent from the KOF1999 USA version. The KOF2000 USA cartridge sticker also featured a discrepancy in the form of square corners as opposed to rounded corners of the three other versions examined. The overall image of the KOF2000 USA cartridge is presented in Picture 4.

Having evaluated the above items, the following major observations have been made with regards to the KOF2000 AES USA version:

· The insert is of a higher and different quality, features a different color scheme and discrepancies in terms of jaggedness of rounded lettering and numbering.

· The manual is of a higher and different quality, features a different binding scheme and discrepancies in terms of jaggedness of rounded lettering and numbering.
· The cartridge is identical to the JP version but lacks the gold-warning label and features a discrepancy in terms of sticker cutting procedures and a lower and different quality sticker

The above-mentioned observations, in addition to the numerous observations mentioned in the body of this report lead to a conclusion that the NGF-USA distributed KOF2000 AES USA cartridge was not manufactured or produced by the same facility as the JP version. Furthermore, the presence of numerous discrepancies indicated above, leads to a conclusion that the NGF-USA distributed KOF2000 AES USA cartridge was not manufactured or produced by the same facility as the most recent USA and JP AES releases. The opinions and conclusions are provided with a reasonable degree of scientific certainty, are based on the material reviewed thus far, and may be amended or modified if additional information becomes available. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Mikhail Kiselgof"""""

So it looks as if Dions cart is a high quality fake, What does everyone else think about this? Also notice that the ENGLISH 2k cart was added to the Master list as being official, You can all guess by who, Perhaps someone out there that bought the NGF cart is now dis mayed that it may be fake and wants to push it's validness anyway they can? you decide...



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Caris, I just finished reading the report too, and it looks like it is not an authentic U.S. home cart release.

What really give this away are the removed gold warning sticker (the one that is supposed to say "CAUTION PLEASE INSERT A GAME CARTRIDGE CORRECTLY . . etc.", which is of course in Japanese on the jap carts, but GONE from the U.S. one (and with evidence of one having been there, peeled off jap sticker?), the different printing paper and quality, the jaggies and color discrepancies in printing, different cart sticker style and material, etc.

Looking at all of these things together, and reading Kale's report (which by the way is VERY thorough, and VERY well written), I would have to say that the KOF2K U.S. cart is not an official SNK product, period.

Anyone in doubt, go read the report at the link provided by Caris (repeated here for you lazy non-scrollers!!):
http://members.aol.com/makiselgof/neoindex.html

The above link is Kale's main page, go towards the bottom to d/l the report.doc file which has all the detail.

So, I believe that NGF just bought a bunch of jap carts, and swapped out the inserts, stickers, and manuals with their own stuff.

Rare cart? Official Release? No to both questions.

Now what I'm wondering is, when will Geddon REMOVE the U.S. designation for KOF2K from the Master List? Geddon, it clearly doesn't belong there . . . don't you agree?

Exactley, Dion could have simply bought 100 jap KOF 2k carts from SNK japan in some sort of "Deal", That could have been his deal all along, And he simply swapped everything out of them with his inserts, That would explain why there is no gold sticker, And why there where marks where one has been....

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
What really give this away are the removed gold warning sticker (the one that is supposed to say "CAUTION PLEASE INSERT A GAME CARTRIDGE CORRECTLY . . etc.", which is of course in Japanese on the jap carts, but GONE from the U.S. one (and with evidence of one having been there, peeled off jap sticker?), the different printing paper and quality, the jaggies and color discrepancies in printing, different cart sticker style and material, etc.

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What a report! I'm very surprised of such a work! So,if I understand,it means that the US versions of KOF 2000 are not SNK official products. Am I right?

Thats how it looks, robert. Pretty sad that NGF would go to such extremes to rip people off, $250+ more (U.S. dollars) for a lousy insert, manual, and cart sticker. Pretty much seals their fate on this one . . .

So, anyone up for ordering AES Nightmare in the Dark carts from NGF?

Hehe, j/k . . .

This pretty much seals NGF's fate at this pint, Even if they get the official USA version of NITD no one will beleive anything they say after this, And wouldnt it be a bit strange that there is no planned japanese release for NITD?

If I was one of the few that bought the USA 2k cart i'd be mailing dion for my money back, This could mean a law suit here...

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
Thats how it looks, robert. Pretty sad that NGF would go to such extremes to rip people off, $250+ more (U.S. dollars) for a lousy insert, manual, and cart sticker. Pretty much seals their fate on this one . . .

So, anyone up for ordering AES Nightmare in the Dark carts from NGF?

Hehe, j/k . . .

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Kale has made a very observant report with complete objectivity, and as I expected, all of you are quick to point out that you all know, and are 100% certain, that it is fake. What the hell do you guys know? Nothing.

You guys all hang these "conclusions" on one critical assumption, that discrepancies between this english cart and the japanese version must automatically invalidate the cartridge. Since when has SNK been perfect?

First, let me say this - as of now, I have personally seen three different, unique copies of KOF 2k english. Many of his observations I can verify - the absence of the gold warning sticker, the slight shadow of a sticker that was once on the cartridge, the squared corners of the cart sticker. I have not observed distinctions in the staple size or placement or the cut of the manual pages as he has.

NOBODY - not even myself - can possibly claim to be an expert on the origin of the components of this cartridge. Was anyone who claims "that the KOF2K U.S. cart is not an official SNK product, period" present when the materials were printed and applied? I didnt think so. Did it ever cross anyones mind that, in lieu of the small quantity of carts produced, SNK might have commissioned an irregular outside source to "convert" some already printed Japanese carts into English ones? Who knows, they might have just hired some loser 3rd party to print english stickers, manuals and inserts and apply them at the last minute before sending to NGF.

Making these English carts undisputibly identical to other official carts might not have even entered SNK Japan's mind.

I'm not saying this is the definitive scenario, Im just illustrating that noone knows what SNK might have done to make these carts a reality.

Like Kale originally said IN THE REPORT... this does nothing to verify or deny the legitimacy of the cartridge. You guys always pointed to NCS as the best truthful source for Neo info and carts, is their word that the English KOF 2k was verified by SNK Japan officers not enough for you?

Give it a rest and stop talking about it. You all will believe what you want to believe anyway. And no, I'm not changing the list. You guys who think I included it in the list to justify the purchase to myself make me laugh.

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
You guys always pointed to NCS as the best truthful source for Neo info and carts, is their word that the English KOF 2k was verified by SNK Japan officers not enough for you?

Give it a rest and stop talking about it. You all will believe what you want to believe anyway. And no, I'm not changing the list. You guys who think I included it in the list to justify the purchase to myself make me laugh.

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No it's not, And NCS never said anywhere that they talked with SNK officials and they "verified it", Where does it say this on their page?

How come NCS isn't buying any of the carts if they think their real?

You state none of us know "anything", Yet you jump the gun and are saying the cart is 100% official by putting it on that master list, That is jumping the gun and is irresponsible, Do you have morning tea with the CEO of SNK, Did he tell you it's official?

I'm gonna sit back and let other people jump in, The flames of hell are coming....


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[This message has been edited by Caris Nautilus (edited January 10, 2001).]

Someone in here's on dions pay roll...

Hey SAMHAIN did u catch anything with those mouse traps? hehe

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[This message has been edited by Caris Nautilus (edited January 10, 2001).]

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Since then, SNK officers confirmed a USA version of KOF 2000 was indeed produced in a limited production run. They would not confirm the quantity produced, although the number appears to be 100 units.
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Here's the link in case you think I'm a liar:
http://www.ncsx.com/ncs010101/ncs0101.htm

Come into the chat room Caris.

I never said you were a liar, I just wanted to see where NCS said this, Thank's for the link

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
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Since then, SNK officers confirmed a USA version of KOF 2000 was indeed produced in a limited production run. They would not confirm the quantity produced, although the number appears to be 100 units.
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Here's the link in case you think I'm a liar:
http://www.ncsx.com/ncs010101/ncs0101.htm

Come into the chat room Caris.

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Originally posted by chimpmeister:

Looking at all of these things together, and reading Kale's report (which by the way is VERY thorough, and VERY well written), I would have to say that the KOF2K U.S. cart is not an official SNK product, period.

Anyone in doubt, go read the report at the link provided by Caris (repeated here for you lazy non-scrollers!!):
http://members.aol.com/makiselgof/neoindex.html

The above link is Kale's main page, go towards the bottom to d/l the report.doc file which has all the detail.

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A compliment from Chimp? Man, the Neo world IS turning upside down

Gentlemen, the report has been up for over a week, ever since I received my game. What took you so long? The suspicions you cast are based on your opinions from reading the information presented, however, the only concrete conclusion is that different print shops were used. Currently, there simply is not enough physical evidence to suggest anything more. I have had both versions in my possession and my only purpose has been to PROVIDE INFORMATION, just as I have always stated.

The US KOF2000 AES is certainly a HIGH-QUALITY production. It was produced at a professional print shop and sufficient evidence currently exists to suggest that this cart was in some manner "blessed" by SNK-Japan (we can not deny the SNK-Japan representatives who referred me, and apparently NCS, to NGF-USA in regards to the US KOF2000 version). Based on the evaluation of other information at hand and verbal communications with several members of this forum, I believe that AT LEAST the translation was completed by SNK-Japan, although I do not have indisputable physical proof. The authenticity of this version will continue to hang in the air until the next NGF-USA release. With Nightmare in the Dark looming on the horizon, if NGF-USA follows through on their word of delivering a US-only cartridge by SNK-Japan (without a Japanese version), we will have proof that they indeed have the marketing connections to bring these games to light (unless they convert 100+ Nightmare in the Dark games and try to sell them as official SNK-Japan produced materials). We just have to wait and see.

Sincerely,

Kale

Very well done report. Hats off to you, Kiselgof.

-BioMotor_Unitron

Well I had a talk with geddon_jt in the chat room, And he swears the KOF 2k USA version is the real deal, I know how it is when you have something and you think a certain thing about it.

He said he's even seen a written document Dion had from SNK japan about the authenticity of the deal.

I did think him adding the KOF 2k cart tp the master list was a bit of a jump on things, It kinda said that geddon is the "Authority" on if a neo cart is official or not.

Either way he was nice enough talking to. I don't see why he'd lie about anything, So I beleive him, But I just don't know what to think about the 2k cart just yet.

I hope someday someone can shed more light on this topic. Mabye a scan of this document somehow, I know it wouldnt convince everyone, but it would make me a beleiver.

Either way I don't think geddon is "On NGF's pay roll", lol, That was just a joke.

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[This message has been edited by Caris Nautilus (edited January 10, 2001).]

Give me thirty minutes on my machine once I get my new software installed, and I can have official looking SNK documents as well, that say everything from KOF 2K English being a fake to dion being the son of a motherless goat.

-BioMotor_Unitron

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The suspicions you cast are based on your opinions from reading the information presented, however, the only concrete conclusion is that different print shops were used.
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Thats all that really can be said. With those conclusions its obvious that the insert was not printed at the same printer. Whats strange is SNK would not have had a 2nd printer print a "limited edition" version. Thats just not done in the printing industry. The 1st printer would have been able to give them enough of a discount on paper (they would have allready stocked for the 1st run. That it would have cost a lot more to use two printers instead of one. Thats the way Big printers operate. Now I know people that own small pressse. With seperated film that I could easily make, I could have them plate & print 4colorprocess offset around 250 copies for 450-600 dollars.
Then do the same for the manual. That would have added another grand, maybe two.

I can do this by getting out cheap by using paper plateing. Wont hold up on a large 10thousand print run, but would work fine for a couple of hundered. Paper plateing can cause those slight inconsistencies on some & not on others. Now if snks printer was booked solid & at the last minute they decided to add a US version, well maybe they sent it to a small printer near them.
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Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
Kale has made a very observant report with complete objectivity, and as I expected, all of you are quick to point out that you all know, and are 100% certain, that it is fake. What the hell do you guys know? Nothing..

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What the hell do YOU know Geddon? EVERYTHING about this cart? You do a disservice to the Neo community by adding it to the Master List BEFORE the authenticity has been verified. You add it to the list because YOU bought one and YOU don't want to think about the implications if the materials are not 100% authentic SNK.

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
You guys all hang these "conclusions" on one critical assumption, that discrepancies between this english cart and the japanese version must automatically invalidate the cartridge. Since when has SNK been perfect?

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Maybe you're not paying ATTENTION to the discrepancies. How do you explain removal of the jap sticker? I explain it by theorizing that NGF bought JAP carts, and SWAPPED OUT the insert, sticker, and manual to MAKE them "English" carts. Already there, they are not authentic because they were not MANUFACTURED BY SNK AS ENGLISH CARTS. How about the jaggies and color variations on the artwork? It smacks of poor Photoshop editing, but you'd rather just ignore it and add the game to your "Master List" anyway. How about the fact that the cart sticker DOES NOT HAVE THE GLOSSY COATING that is on ALL other AUTHENTIC SNK carts? A possible conclusion: the sticker was NOT printed by SNK Japan, was NOT printed using the usual process, and is therefore NOT authentic!! But you'd rather ignore that, too.

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
First, let me say this - as of now, I have personally seen three different, unique copies of KOF 2k english. Many of his observations I can verify - the absence of the gold warning sticker, the slight shadow of a sticker that was once on the cartridge, the squared corners of the cart sticker. I have not observed distinctions in the staple size or placement or the cut of the manual pages as he has.

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You've seen THREE DIFFERENT, UNIQUE copies of KOF2K English, and you still think that this is a professionally produced cart? And again, you verify SOME of the discrepancies (obviously you didn't analyze this cart in the depth that Kale did), but still you are 100% SURE it is AUTHENTIC SNK PRODUCT? What have you been smoking? Share it with us, please?

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
NOBODY - not even myself - can possibly claim to be an expert on the origin of the components of this cartridge.

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You just blew your whole argument there, Geddon. NOBODY can claim to be an expert, but you are 100% sure it is authentic and you ADDED IT TO THE MASTER LIST. Therefore, YOU DO CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT, and YOU DO CLAIM THAT IT IS 100% AUTHENTIC. To me, it degrades the "Master List" and makes it into a questionable source, at best.

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
Did it ever cross anyones mind that, in lieu of the small quantity of carts produced, SNK might have commissioned an irregular outside source to "convert" some already printed Japanese carts into English ones?

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See, thats the POINT Geddon. Even if SNK gave some kind of blessing to NGF's "conversion", IT IS STILL A CONVERSION, ALBEIT HIGHER QUALITY THAN THEIR PAST CONVERSIONS. And haven't you gotten it by now, NO ONE WANTS THE TAINTED "NGF" CONVERSIONS, we want AUTHENTIC SNK carts ONLY!!!

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
Who knows, they might have just hired some loser 3rd party to print english stickers, manuals and inserts and apply them at the last minute before sending to NGF.

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The "loser 3rd party" part you might have gotten right . . . if its "NGF". Hey, you said it, not me.

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
So even if SNK allowed NGF to concoct their own Making these English carts undisputibly identical to other official carts might not have even entered SNK Japan's mind.

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"Even if SNK allowed NGF to concoct their own . . . " means that the cart would not be AUTHENTIC SNK product, right? Just because SNK might have ALLOWED NGF to produce their own cart, and maybe even HELPED with translation/artwork (which is questionable), DOES NOT MAKE THE CART AUTHENTIC!!!

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
I'm not saying this is the definitive scenario, Im just illustrating that noone knows what SNK might have done to make these carts a reality.

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"No one knows . . . " but I thought you said YOU know, I mean, you ADDED IT TO THE MASTER LIST?!?! You must be very certain?

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
Give it a rest and stop talking about it. You all will believe what you want to believe anyway. And no, I'm not changing the list. You guys who think I included it in the list to justify the purchase to myself make me laugh.

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We're not going to "give it a rest and stop talking about it" because its an important issue in the Neo community. Just because you're embarassed about the whole thing, doesn't mean we can't discuss it here. Oh, and while you're saying "and no, I'm not changing the list", you need to stamp your foot on the ground and put a sulking frown on your face. It would fit your behavior perfectly at this point.

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What the hell do YOU know Geddon? EVERYTHING about this cart? You do a disservice to the Neo community by adding it to the Master List BEFORE the authenticity has been verified. You add it to the list because YOU bought one and YOU don't want to think about the implications if the materials are not 100% authentic SNK.
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The authenticity HAS been verified! Kale and others have called SNK Japan and gotten verification, and even NCS verified on their site! Would NCS lie?

I asked Caris in the chatroom what the threshold of proof was for him. And he said it was either "SNK posting something on their site" or "an official document from SNK." Both are unreasonable requests. First, if a pic was posted of the exclusivity contract or whatever people would just say he made it. Even you must see that. And SNK will never "post anything on their website" because A) they dont care about anything but MVS and B) they care even less about the USA market. Keep in mind these carts were paid for up front, Dion could burn those carts for all they care. They have no stake in moving them anymore.

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How do you explain removal of the jap sticker? I explain it by theorizing that NGF bought JAP carts, and SWAPPED OUT the insert, sticker, and manual to MAKE them "English" carts.
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Like I said in my main post (the one part you didn't quote) - just because there are discrepancies doesn't automatically invalidate the cartridge. I personally think SNK Japan just did a half ass job making these carts. Remember that this was a last minute deal here - even NCS didn't get verification about the English cart until right around release, although they called before that time to try and verify. My guess is they had the japanese carts already made, Dion and Chris offered them some cash so they commissioned whoever to run off some manuals, inserts and stickers and grabbed 100 Japanese carts and went to work. It wouldn't be the first time - look at all the official english converts through the history of SNK, with english stickers slapped on top of Japanese ones.

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You've seen THREE DIFFERENT, UNIQUE copies of KOF2K English, and you still think that this is a professionally produced cart? And again, you verify SOME of the discrepancies (obviously you didn't analyze this cart in the depth that Kale did)
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Again chimp, you are in the dark. I was on the phone with Kale helping him make that report the day he got his cart! LOL. And yes, I do believe it was professionally produced. I believe the manual is of such quality (not the paper stock, but the actual content) that it would be impossible to fake. And, on all 3 versions Ive seen, I believe the cart stickers to be machine-applied, as they all are perfectly squared with no bubbles. And anyone who has an NGF cart knows - they have a hard time with the bubbles.

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Just because you're embarassed about the whole thing, doesn't mean we can't discuss it here.
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I have followed the development of this cart since a month before release, I have seen 3 different copies of the game, and I believe I have more evidence to make a judgment than anyone. And, in light of the evidence, I firmly believe the cart is real, despite variations in the printing stock/methods used. That's why I added it to the list.

It's clear you all think I'm in this to validate my purchase or keep from getting "embarrassed" which is completely false. What I will do is add an asterisk to the English KOF 2k listing that shows it as an NGF-released cartridge which will differentiate it from the rest of the list (NGF might release more games in the future and I know this info might be useful to some). But I am still convinced the cart was made and assembled in Japan.

Well, adding the asterisk and indicating NGF produced cart is a fair compromise, Geddon.

Here is my entire point: I would consider KOF2K English home cart to be authentic if SNK Japan manufactured and assembled all the materials for the cart. Since, from Kale's analysis, it appears that this is not the case, I don't consider the cart to be authentic.

SNK MAY have collaborated on the manual (likely, Dion and Chris can't produce that), they MAY have collaborated on the insert (more in doubt due to paper and printing discrepancies), but they PROBABLY DIDN'T make the carts, in their complete form, IN JAPAN, and then ship them to NGF. NGF probably got the materials and applied them to the carts, thats just my theory but it fits the evidence. Which in the end, leaves the real status of these carts up in the air.

Oh, and that UGLY URL on the back really seals the whole thing, and is the reason I'd never buy one . . . just taints the whole thing.

But thanks for at least adding that notation to the Master List . . . it seems like a reasonable thing to do.

I definatley believe its a fake now. At least that the cart stickers, manuals and inserts were produced here in the US. It makes sense. Thats how he could offer up that deal where someone would send him a Japanese cart and for the hefty sum of 269.99 he would bastardize it by replacing all the original Japanese materials with his own home grown shit. What we have now is a KOF2000 Frankenstien cart. Now we know it has actually lost any collectors value and is worth less than the original Japanese cart.

Fatback

Its just a fucking Bootleg cart fucking shit

That reports is just awesome kiselgof! I thought I was anal about things, but man. Anyway, I'm with chipmeister. That NGF url is as good as Dion signing it himself.

just to let you guys know, a korean company called Eolith have gotten the rights from snk to devolop and distribute the kof 2001 arcade game. you never know, if the company is big enough they could release home cart versions?

here's a pic http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/5534/Jan/kofkorean.jpg

Aw yeah, Eolith auctions are the best auctions! Eolith all the way! Eolith predicted exclusive KOF 2001 rights, but no one believed us. Now four months later, everyone knows the truth!

Heehee.

Think of it this way:

A high priced & gorgeous whore is still a whore,

A high priced & gorgeous bootleg is still a bootleg.

That's all I'm going to say, and I think it says a lot.


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