Three calls to SNK and one KOF2000 US cart later...

Dear Forum,

I don't really even care if anyone out there wants to hear more of this drama nor am I trying to be a "savior" here for anyone. This post is intended merely as information. Take it as you will.

I have placed three calls to SNK in total. The first one was over a week ago just before I contacted NGF-USA. I was transferred to an English-speaking lady whose exact words upon my inquiry of an English KOF2000 were "Do you know company named NeoGeoFreak?" Even though she continued to babble some other things, I knew right then and there that someone knew what they were talking about. Last night I called SNK-Japan twice. Once, I was immediately transferred to Mr. Miyajima. He was quite lost in his own little world and could neither confirm nor deny the existence of a US KOF2000 AES. Conclusion: he is the MVS sales representative and does not know anything. I called back a third time requesting someone else who speaks English and can help me out. I got someone name Miyamoto (sp?) who once again did not know anything about the home release period. That being said, it is obvious that the company could care less about the home carts as most of its profit comes from the MVS market. If anyone wants to continue calling, please feel free, but I feel that from now on, the chances of finding anyone at SNK-Japan who knows about what's going on is slim to none.

I just received my KOF2000 US in the mail today. First off, I must say that this is my first transaction with any member of NGF-USA and it has gone perfectly. The game was well-packaged, the free poster was included and in great shape, and the communication was perfect. I could not be more satisfied with the customer service provided to me, but I guess since I sound somewhat intelligent in my communications, I was given a break. The game itself is amazing to look at. If anyone wants to look at some pics, take a look at the below links. I'll keep the pics up for about a week.
http://members.aol.com/makiselgof/kofbox.jpg http://members.aol.com/makiselgof/kofcart.jpg http://members.aol.com/makiselgof/kofman.jpg http://members.aol.com/makiselgof/kofmanopen.jpg

SNK official? A careful analysis of all the facts can neither confirm nor deny anything. I HAVE BOTH the USA and the JP games in my hands. I can compare both of them. Don't tell me it's not real because you can't make the same comparison and you sure as heck can't deny its existence until somebody says "Hey, we're suing you for selling fake games." If anyone wants more pictures of the game or just wants more information, feel free to contact me. I am NOT here to preach, just to say that I had a good deal with NGF-USA. I want to see what developments will occur in the near future, but overall, I just want the Neo hobby to survive. I don't know what else to say but that I am tired and am going to sleep. Also, I am NOT Dion. I have been in the Neo for a while now. Most of you may have known me as Myrmidonz. I am a real person and I have seen NGF productions in my hands below, and I can honestly say this is not a basement Kinko's job.

BTW, I want to help anyone who wants more info or pictures from an UNBIASED source. I am keeping this version and probably getting rid of the JP one. Think about it, if I got ripped for $600 and still kept the fake version, what would I have to proove? I am just offering an unbiased perspective here after comparing both versions side by side. I will answer questions to anyone who needs help in their decision and all I ask in return is for some kind soul to PLEASE tell me where the below poster/picture appeared in, whether it was a NeoGeoFreak Japanese magazine issue or not. Thanks in advance for your time.



Sincerely,

Kale

Bottom line is this. There is no way that cart is official. Its a REAL KOF 2k japanese cart, I'll give it that, But the USA version thing is BS. Untill someone from SNK japan officially confirms this it will NEVER be real.

Isn't it a bit odd that NOBODY can find out anything from SNK japan? Everyone that calls them (And what a waste of long distance) gets the same "We dont know anything about NGF ect."

The only people that hear anything from SNK japan was that Frogman guy, And we all know now that was just Dion...

Also does anyone else think its strange that Dion wants you to "Trade in" your Jap cart for the USA one? What also makes me laugh is that he wants over 250$ on top of that!

Think about this, Dion gets your Jap 2k cart, He simply swaps the booklet and the insert with his "Official" USA ones, Pockets your money and sends you the SAME damn cart back.

It's just all screwed up, There is no way I would accually buy one of his carts right now, And the few people that did plunk down over 500& for it are DAMN CRAZY.

I would advise anyone wanting one of the cats to wait untill someone from SNK japan confirms it is official, Sadley I doubt that will EVER happen. Therefor it will make Dions carts home made, However "good" they may look.

Remember not all fakes look like hack jobs. Think about this, Dion has been preching that he was the OFFICIAL distributor for SNK japan in america. I'm sure everyone remembers him saying this at one time or another.

Well guess what, Thats a HUGE FAT BIG CRUMP lie. Call SNK japan (Cause I ain't wasting the money) and they will tell you that Apple Photo systems is the ONLY ONLY ONLY official distributor for snk products in the USA.

The bottom bottom line is there is no way ANYONE with a straight face can sit here and say "It's the real deal". By looks alone? No way. Theres more factors against it being real then there are for it.

Again keep your money safe, If you want one of dions carts wait to hear the truth, If it ever comes out. I doubt Dion is going to sell out of anything, Remember even NCS, Tronix or ANY import game dealers for that matter didnt buy ANY of Dions carts, Since they all thought it was BS also...

If it turns out to be real, Then go buy one, Even I might...
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Originally posted by Caris Nautilus:
Bottom line is this. There is no way that cart is official...

Isn't it a bit odd that NOBODY can find out anything from SNK japan? Everyone that calls them (And what a waste of long distance) gets the same "We dont know anything about NGF ect."...

If it turns out to be real, Then go buy one, Even I might...

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Buddy, read my post. The first time I called SNK, I did get a lady who mentioned NeoGeoFreak when I asked her about the English version. She confirmed for me that they should be directed to for the USA version. Right there. Confirmation. I do not have any desire to try and find her again because I have all the facts I need and both versions in front of me. Official confirmation? Call them yourself and ask for this lady named Asiya Ayama or something, or just for anybody who is not a man. Everybody knows women are smarter.

For the trade in, once again, until you SEE and FEEL the US manual in your hand, you don't know jack about where it came from. And even then, until you see all the facts and put it all together, or even until you have the guts to call Dion and talk to his face, you don't know jack, just like the game says. Nuff said.

Also, what is a fake? Dion had proofs for the manual more than THREE weeks before the official release of the cartridge. These proofs are identical to the Japanese manual except they are fully translated. And no, he didn't do them himself, because the final manual layout is different from the proofs, suggesting final revisions on someone else's part and there is no way anyone who "faked" proofs would be stupid enough to do further revisions on an already fake product. The proofs were most probably prepaped more than a month before the official release.

Distributors? People, who the heck cares who distributes items? You are looking at the wrong points here. NCS is a mom-and-pop operation running out of their own home. They are not official distributors any more than anyone else. It doesn't matter who the official distributor is. All that matters is whether the GAME is official or not.

Finally, you are the first to admit that if you realize it's official, you might buy one yourself. We finally get to the truth of the matter. All the previous posts about "Oh, I like Japanese versions anyways" or "Oh, I hate Dion because I have penis envy or something" were all lame excuses, hiding behind the fact that if this came from ANYONE other than Dion, everybody would be jumping all over it. Well, why don't you guys call Dion's bluff. If you think it's fake, why doesn't everyone just buy the game, find convincing proof that it's fake and then file a class-action lawsuit against him that will put him away for good. I dare you.

And gawd dang it, for the last time, whoever you are that accuses me of being Dion's side personality, please pass the shit you are smoking cause I really want to get high for the first time in my life.

Sincerely,

Kale

man that was a lame last comment... "So I can get high for the first time in my life". sorry K but that was super cheeeeeezy!

KOF 2000 English does exist, fine
SNK does care about US Market, fine
SNK Japan do have people know how to speak English, fine
Mr. Miyajima is MVS sales rep, fine
KOF 2000 English costs a lot, fine
NGF is the only US official distributor, BS
NGF does have excellent service, FUCK that.

Silent
(a Neo fan got tired of hearing those BS regarding NGF and KOF 200 Eng cart)

Just one more question, kiselgof.
How come you just show JPN version? Where are the pictures showing US version?

Originally posted by Silent_Scope:
Just one more question, kiselgof.
How come you just show JPN version? Where are the pictures showing US version?

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Dude, look at it again. Thats the US version...

Well, why don't you guys call Dion's bluff. If you think it's fake, why doesn't everyone just buy the game, find convincing proof that it's fake and then file a class-action lawsuit against him that will put him away for good. I dare you.

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OK, I had to laugh at this one, Kiselgof (aka Myrmidonz). " . . . why doesn't everyone just buy the game . . . ", DUH, the IDIOTS are asking $600 for the cart, TWICE THE PRICE ALMOST OF A REGULAR KOF2K HOME CART!!!! Try doing the math on this dude, no f**king way I'm paying those losers $600 for a home cart when all they do is take a Jap one, swap the insert/manual/sticker, and hand over the "new" "official" "NGF" version. YOU can waste YOUR money on that kind of crap, but I'm pretty sure you'll find yourself in the EXTREME MINORITY on this . . . if NGF were offering a REAL AUTHENTIC LICENSED OFFICIAL SNK-PRODUCED NEO GEO HOME CART, in ENGLISH, at the SAME PRICE AS THE JAP CART, THEN, AND ONLY THEN, would I CONSIDER buying the cart. But seeing as how they've JACKED IT UP to TWICE THE PRICE (almost) of a regular Jap version, I'll PASS, and so will ALMOST everyone else (obviously you and Geddon are the only exceptions I've heard so far, oh and of course can't leave out "frogman" the fake Dion ID, he got one too!!!).

As I've said many times before, I got a couple Jap KOF2K carts and don't NEED the "official NGF U.S." version, so who cares anyway? Want the moves for all the characters, download a FAQ for KOF2K, it'll have MORE than any manual. The English insert looks OK with the bigger screenshots on the back, but for $270 more? Who the hell is STUPID enough to pay THAT MUCH MORE for the U.S. insert and manual? Oh, never mind . . .

I think by now, most people realize that the carts themselves are exactly the same, but the paperwork is different. And if you're willing to pay the extra $250+ for english words, them more power to ya. Personally, I think it's downright stupid to do such a thing, but to each his own. Each cart is destined to make its money on eBay if you ever did decide to sell them. Despite whatever certain people say...

Case in point... didn't a Non-NGF Japanese version of Kizuna Encounter sell for $1600 about a month or two ago?

HERE IS MY TAKE........
NOT TO BE AGAINST OR FOR FORGETTING ALL THE SHIT AND TAKING IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL CASE.....

WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, IT SEEMS A LITTLE FAR FETCHED, THAT dion COULD RECIEVE THE CART SEND IT EXPRESS AT A VERY CLOSE TIME TO THE JAPANESE VERSION, THE BOXES SIMILARITIES ETC.....THE MANUAL IS WHERE THE REAL EFFORT WOULD LIE, TRANSLATING THE WHOLE THING AND PRINTING IT SEEMS A BIT FAR FETCHED TOO, SINCE THEYVE NEVER DONE IT BEOFRE......

..........THIS TIME THEY TRIED TO SHOW EVIDENCE OFFERED QUICK DELIVERY ETC.........WHEN THEY LIE, THEY TEND TO BE SNEAKY AND SLY "IF YOU WANT TO SEE YOULL HAVE TO PAY"........

HOWEVER WHEN I LOOK AT THE PAST SHIT, AND I HEAR THERE IS NO TEXT OVERLAP IN THE MANUAL TO HINDER COMPLETE FAKING IN TRANSLATION EVEN FROM A JAP MANUAL........


ANYONE GOT A SCAN OF THE BACK OF THE FIRST PAGE OF THE JAP MANUAL?
THE PAGE IN KISELGOFS PIC......KOFMAOPEN.JPG
.......I DONT LIKE TO SAY NGF IS RIGHT, BUT THIS TIME THE BALANCE IS IN THEIR FAVOR, I WOULDNT BUY IT, BUT IM NOT BLINDLY GOING TO OPPOSE THE SMALLEST PIECE OF EVIDENCE......WE ALL MUST ENTER OPENMINDEDLY.....
WHY BOTHER TO ARGUE IGNORING THE EVIDENCE THEY PROVIDE?.......TAKE IT AND SEE IF IT CAN BE CRUSHED TO SOMETHING ELSE.....THERE IS NO POINT IN PUTTING YOUR FINGERS IN YOUR EARS PEOPLE AND RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES SCREAMING "SONY RULES" WHEN SOMEONE IS EXPLAINING CAREFULLY WHY IT SUX.........

IT MAY BE A FAKE, BUT THIS TIME, TO ME ATLEAST, IT SEEMS THEY ARE PROVIDING A PROPER EVIDENCE......AND EVERYONE IS IS JUST FLAMING......

ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS IM ANTI ngf......VERY ANTI.......BUT IM ALSO JUSTICE AND FAIR........WEATHER IT HURT THEM OR NOT I DONT CARE......I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THEYRE ON THE LEVEL........
FOR THE SAKES OF ALL THOSE WHO SUNK $600 INTO THOSE CARTS.......
WITH SNKS RECENT TROUBLES WHO CAN SAY WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT?

AND DONT FUCKING REPLY TO ME WITH MINDLESS BABBLE.......I AINT IN THE MOOD FOR IT.......GIVE ME EVIDENCE OR FUCK OFF, IM GETTING THE SHITS......
IF YOU DONT HAVE EVIDENCE ON THIS 1 CART, SAY NOTHING......

.......I AM WELL AWARE ngf ARE SNAKES......
I NEED NOT BE TOLD AGAIN......
IM HOPING TO CRUSH ANY LIES OR VALIDATE ANY THRUTH......
ITS FAIR NO?
DEVIL GUI

Originally posted by Silent_Scope:
KOF 2000 English does exist, fine
SNK does care about US Market, fine
SNK Japan do have people know how to speak English, fine
Mr. Miyajima is MVS sales rep, fine
KOF 2000 English costs a lot, fine
NGF is the only US official distributor, BS
NGF does have excellent service, FUCK that.

Silent
(a Neo fan got tired of hearing those BS regarding NGF and KOF 200 Eng cart)

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Happy Holidays everyone! One of my New Year's resolutions is to be more a jerk because all the people are telling me I'm too nice of a guy. That needs to be rectified.

A true Neo fan never gets tired about debating to see what's best for the community. You don't have any right stating what's BS about the KOF2000 carts until you see all the facts first-hand. Only once you see the actual cart can you make an opinion. First off, SNK-Japan DOES NOT care about the US market. The only people who care are WE the FANS. Apparently some of us care more than others because I for one want to see full-scale runs of Nightmare in the Dark and other games to come, not exorbitantly priced conversions few of us will be able to afford. Next, where did ANYONE with any brains state that "NGF is the only US official distributor". Even Dion didn't have the audacity to state that claim. NGF-USA only claims to be the "official distributor" for the KOF2000 AES US. The lady I spoke to the first time CLEARLY pointed out to me that they were give rights ONLY to this game at this time and none other. Maybe they can arrange for more items in the future, maybe not. I hope something can be done to prevent all future titles ending up as conversions. As for "NGF does have excellent service", people have spoken up about having fine transactions and so have I. Why was I so lucky? Find the sarcastic line in the second paragraph in my post and you'll understand what it takes.

Chimp, my man, I know we've seen differences in opinions before such as the slight tussle we had on the merits of the value of Metal Slug 1 AES US. However, your whole post is based on ASSupmtions since you have NOT seen the game firsthand nor heard anyone in possession of the game disregard its legitimacy. If someone like Trey got a hold of it and with his professional printing background was able to render an opinion in contrary to what Geddon and others have posted, then I can see you taking one side or the other. Even if that happened, one would have to disregard the pictures of the proofs Dion had a MONTH prior to the release and numerous other "coincidences". Otherwise, you just don't have any basis on which to judge this item because YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT FIRSTHAND. I know of at least three other satisfied customers who have bought this cart (and do not participate in any mass forum) and I am not even on the Neo scene (I only know like five people first-hand). Your points about "STUPIDITY" in paying extra money for US versions have NOTHING to do with whether this cart is official or not. What makes you an expert in determining stupidity? Maybe you just like to toss that word around, in that case, I will state that I think people are stupid for (1) even buying video games in the first place (pathetic little kids with no lives), (2) spending all of their valuable time posting on the internet instead of being out in the real world, or (3) speaking out with BASELESS opinions and ignoring information from people who have BOTH of the products in their hands.

No, that is not a flame. It is not directed at ANYONE in particular (well, at least I only fit the first two molds). However, I find it amazing that everyone I have spoken to outside of these forums with Neo collections is at least intelligent enough to be able to debate the topic with valid premises and offer a reasonable dilectic of the full situation.

Sincerely,

Kale

personally i can side with gui on this..i dont give a rats ass if its offical because in my blackend heart i know it is not..ngf could have been a good asset to the community,but they chose to charge insane prices,lie,cheat and steal like common criminals..and insist that there carts are true snk product,when in fact all are converts"even the released games! i call that a hustle...one day someone who is looking for a rare offical snk cart will be the unlucky reciever of a ngf fake.because of the shear idiocy of people who purchase false product thinking its the real deal..i have no problem with converting a unreleased cart,but when a buisness degrades its prime customers,lies of the products origins,jacks up the home cart priceing due to there fake carts and pretends to be snk.then i have a violent tendencie wanting to come out..personally i dont feel snk gives a shit about the american market.its obvious they dont.or the piracy of ngf would cease to exsist.as far as distributers neo lord was correct apple and there neo print shit are the only legit us distributers of snk ...again if i was to make a neo biz out of converting carts,they would be of unrealesed mvs carts only, and have a lower price which would be reasonable. i would treat my customers with respect and honor.and would help the community acquire any info and items needed..ripping off,lieing and childish games have been the sad buissiness practices of these crumps for years.and ill say this again..they are tainting the image and home cart market with fakes.inflated prices and pure bullshit!!and anyone who thinks otherwise or shells out his disposeable loot is a capitol fkn idiot!!plain and simple..ive been in the neo scene since 90 and since 96 this scene has turned to nothing but retards..do as you will but dont come here spewing ngf is legit..cuz your dead wrong...and stupid to boot.........samhain lord of the snk dead.

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UHG! THE NGF.COM ON THE BACK OF THE MANUAL AND INSERT JUST DOESNT LOOK LIKE A OFFICIAL SNK PRODUCT.

IM SICK OF THIS TOPIC

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Lord Illicious
Primal Massiah
Soul Reaver

Wu Dan Neo Devil of Illness

"Buddy, read my post. The first time I called SNK, I did get a lady who mentioned NeoGeoFreak when I asked her about the English version. She confirmed for me that they should be directed to for the USA version. "


Just because some lady directed you to NGF doesn't mean they are the official distributer.
If you ever called SNK europe in London they would always tell you to call Telegames UK and they were not official distributers either.

I thought this debate was over.

For those who will be buying a Japanese Cart with US insert and Manual. More power to you.

Some of us will not buy from Chris or Dion EVER. Price of cart raised from 559 to 590 in one day. And all of a sudden your cart is worth 269. Give me a frickin break. Neo Geo FUCKS. End of Story.

to kiselgof: just tired of talking to those morons. You have a lot of time writing a "thesis" and that's fine with me. I don't think you care about Neo community because you let those "liars, thieves, thugs" to ruin our community. Debate is over........GAME IS OVER~~~(insert coin(s))~~~~

end this shit please! Who the fuck cares? If you want to pay $250 extra version more power to you but this crap about ngf must stop! END THIS FUCKING TOPIC! You want to piss your money away, nobody cares!!!!!!!
I think the thing about swapping your jap version is your answer swap the insers....My collection of games is reaching 50 mark i do consider myself hardcore neo...and if somebody is going to say i m not a true fan because i dont have english kof you can go to hell..I dont consider myself a Big time jackass....one version of the game is good enough for me...and for you guys who have purchased the so called english 2000 why do you keep posting this crap? Who cares if you have the english one? Enjoy the game!

As the proud owner of KOF2K english, I would like to throw in my two cents.

To me the issue is whether the game is "Official SNK Product" or not. Having held the game in my own hands and comparing it to SNK games and NGF games, I can say that this was manufactured by SNK. Some people would like to believe that it is a conversion, but that scenario is too unlikely. I think anyone who has held the game in their hands would agree. I haven't heard from anyone who bought the game that thinks it is a fake.

I bought the English version because my Neo collection is based on US carts. I don't consider it a waste to pay extra for the version that I really want. I can understand people saying that they don't wan't the game because it costs more, or they prefer jap carts, or they don't care about the version, or even that they don't like Dion/NGF. But to say that you won't buy the game because it is a converted cart is bullcrap. At least be truthful as to why you do or don't want the game.

Anthony

Yeah yeah, Neo Fan. Your collection is based on US version but keep in mind that they are all from Japan and made in Japan.
You want to pay that extra money that shows you're a moron. You can spend that money somewhere else but you'd rather deal with filthy animals instead. This also proves that you are lack of investment knowledge, stupid enough to believe US cart will worth more in the future by those "official distributor". Those ppl who purchase US cart are playing dumb. This is my opinion. As I say, debate is over. I'll have the same attitude as one of NGF crew posting on other forum that I'll not reply to anyone after this or you can send harrass email to me...hahahahahha

Originally posted by Silent_Scope:
Yeah yeah, Neo Fan. Your collection is based on US version but keep in mind that they are all from Japan and made in Japan.
You want to pay that extra money that shows you're a moron. You can spend that money somewhere else but you'd rather deal with filthy animals instead. This also proves that you are lack of investment knowledge, stupid enough to believe US cart will worth more in the future by those "official distributor". Those ppl who purchase US cart are playing dumb. This is my opinion. As I say, debate is over. I'll have the same attitude as one of NGF crew posting on other forum that I'll not reply to anyone after this or you can send harrass email to me...hahahahahha

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Do you guys realize what you are doing? Everyone is so busy flamming those with a US KOF2K that it is getting out of hand. Yes, these are games made in Japan, and yes, the silly US insert, manual and sticker are worth more in general. This is why several ppl collect US carts and pay MORE for them. This isnt the first time. Compare prices on say KOF96 US ver or U11 US versus the jap ones. There is a big price diffirence. The argument should be over because I believe the facts are firm about this being a legit cart from the looks of it. We are talking about KOF2K, not MS3 or ANY OTHER GAME. Just KOF2K. If you would take a timeout, and weigh the evidence, and PRETEND it wasn NGF, you would say it was legit. Due to it being NGF however, any excuse or insult seems to be sufficient instead.

No, I dont own a US version. I have a Jap because I bought it beforehand. Yes, I would probably buy a US version if it were cheaper, because I like US carts, just my personal preference.

Originally posted by Silent_Scope:
Yeah yeah, Neo Fan. Your collection is based on US version but keep in mind that they are all from Japan and made in Japan.
You want to pay that extra money that shows you're a moron. You can spend that money somewhere else but you'd rather deal with filthy animals instead. This also proves that you are lack of investment knowledge, stupid enough to believe US cart will worth more in the future by those "official distributor". Those ppl who purchase US cart are playing dumb. This is my opinion. As I say, debate is over. I'll have the same attitude as one of NGF crew posting on other forum that I'll not reply to anyone after this or you can send harrass email to me...hahahahahha

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Wow, you are really reaching here. I dont care if the game was manufactured in Japan, USA, or Singapore. The fact is that they are US VERSIONS, which were manufactured by SNK, and that is what I want. If you think that your neo collection is an investment, then you are a true fool. After all they are nothing but pieces of plastic. However, the games are something that I want and collect. People collect all sorts of things like marbles and dinner plates. My hobby is video games. I don't care if they all become worth two cents in the future, because that is not why I bought them.

Anthony



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