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TRIEUMINATOR
09-07-2002, 12:38 AM
At the latest Sunday, I should have a super clean video footage of KOF 2002 ready for download. It's 18 minutes long, so those who don't have broadband, well, meet up with someone who does have it.

The video quality is top notch as it was recorded directly from the video output source of a cab into a MINI DV. After a few transfers though, the quality suffered, but I assure all of you that it's ten times better quality than what you've seen thus far.

I'm transferring it to mpeg video as we speak so both PC and Mac users will enjoy the footage. Because of the limitation of bandwith on my server, Shawn will be hosting it for optimum download speed.

For now, I can only share pics with you that you will soon see in full glory motion video in two days. Enjoy and see ya Sunday:

<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2v.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2i.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2h.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2a.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2e.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2n.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2k.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2l.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2u.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>
<a href="http://waynetam.com/vinh/k2m.jpg" target="_blank">KOF 2002</a>

Some quick notes. KOF 2002 looks fabulous. The backgrounds are so much nicer and cleaner than KOF 2001. There's an elevator stage with the leaning tower of Pisa in the background that is just stunning. The vertical scrolling is just sensational with no slow down in combat whatsoever.

A la Fatal Fury, the background mood changes per round, from sunlight to afternoon, midnight, etc.

The pics don't do it justice. The video is just unbelievable. :D I keep watching it over and over again. Can't get enough.

Nothing like a Dream Match. Super Sweet!!

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: TRIEUMINATOR ]</p>

Daisuke Jigen
09-07-2002, 12:40 AM
Will you be my new dad?

:D

ShikiMikoto
09-07-2002, 12:43 AM
:D Nice!

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 12:45 AM
God/Dammit++

What about the Gameplay?!?! Is this bitch fucking broken or is it actually playable?!?!?!

FUCK THE GOD DAMN SCREEN SHOTS!

THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN SEEING BUT NOBODY IS SAYING SHIT IF THE GAME ACTUALLYS LOOKS LIKE IT WILL HANDLE WORTH A FUCK!! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

Lee
09-07-2002, 12:45 AM
Is that the evil Leona i see on picture 3? :eek:

Piccolo_DBz
09-07-2002, 12:47 AM
Damn dude calm down


Great pics, can't wait for video

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 12:51 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Piccolo_DBz:
<strong>Damn dude calm down


Great pics, can't wait for video</strong><hr></blockquote>

ALL THIS COCK TEASING BULLSHIT. AFTER THE DISSAPPOINTMENT I HAD WITH KOF2K1'S GAMEPLAY I'D LIKE SOME SOLID REASSURANCE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO SUCK ASS.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO FUCKING ASK FOR INSTEAD OF JACKING OFF ON THIS SHIT?

SHOW ME SOME SHIT WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING THIS GAME AS A REAL KOF SHOULD BE THEN I'LL BE FUCKING IMPRESSED :mad:

Piccolo_DBz
09-07-2002, 12:54 AM
I don't think showing people actually playing it would help. Your gonna need a review or actually play it yourself

ShikiMikoto
09-07-2002, 12:54 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

ALL THIS COCK TEASING BULLSHIT. AFTER THE DISSAPPOINTMENT I HAD WITH KOF2K1'S GAMEPLAY I'D LIKE SOME SOLID REASSURANCE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO SUCK ASS.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO FUCKING ASK FOR INSTEAD OF JACKING OFF ON THIS SHIT?

SHOW ME SOME SHIT WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING THIS GAME AS A REAL KOF SHOULD BE THEN I'LL BE FUCKING IMPRESSED :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

and you're chat solutions staff? Sigh..no comment...

edit: btw, yes, Lee, Leona has a super where she can sacrifice half her life bar to be Orochi Leona for a little while.

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]</p>

Lee
09-07-2002, 12:55 AM
Words to be agreed!

TRIEUMINATOR
09-07-2002, 12:56 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>God/Dammit++

What about the Gameplay?!?! Is this bitch fucking broken or is it actually playable?!?!?!

FUCK THE GOD DAMN SCREEN SHOTS!

THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN SEEING BUT NOBODY IS SAYING SHIT IF THE GAME ACTUALLYS LOOKS LIKE IT WILL HANDLE WORTH A FUCK!! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL, the animation identical to KOF 2001, so whatever that means to you. Pretty much all KOF's play the same and in order to keep the speed, the frames are sacrificed, so it's not your MOTW, but nevertheless, it looks great.

If you liked KOF 2001, you'll like this one even more. If not, well, you'll never like KOF.

The video on Sunday will show much more.

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 12:57 AM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong>

and you're chat solutions staff? Sigh..no comment...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well why don't you make a fucking comment?

I'm sure you've got something positive to say so share it.

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 01:00 AM
[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>

LOL, the animation identical to KOF 2001, so whatever that means to you. Pretty much all KOF's play the same and in order to keep the speed, the frames are sacrificed, so it's not your MOTW, but nevertheless, it looks great.

If you liked KOF 2001, you'll like this one even more. If not, well, you'll never like KOF.

The video on Sunday will show much more.</strong><hr></blockquote>


It don't need to be Mark of the Fucking Wolves it needs to be like KoF should be. 2K1 is a piece of shit glitchy game.

Even as much as KoF 2K was broken with the massive Striker Bullshit all over the place, the Game was still fucking fun.

All I'm saying is that some people need to fucking not get their fucking hopes up and whatnot only to realize the gameplay sucks a fucking dick. If the gameplay plays like '98 or better then that's good enough for me.

To the rest of you:
If you've got a fucking problem with my opinion then fucking speak your mind about it! Don't be a fucking wuss and not say anything.

K9999
09-07-2002, 01:02 AM
[quote] Originally posted by BonusKun:

AFTER THE DISSAPPOINTMENT I HAD WITH KOF2K1'S GAMEPLAY I'D LIKE SOME SOLID REASSURANCE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO SUCK ASS.<hr></blockquote>

The one place where KOF2K1 did shine was its gameplay, everything else was just crap to mediocore.


[quote] Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:

If you liked KOF 2001, you'll like this one even more. If not, well, you'll never like KOF.<hr></blockquote>

Thats good to hear, I'm looking foward to it. Thanks for the info, and I can't wait for some nice clean vids :D

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: K9999 ]</p>

ShikiMikoto
09-07-2002, 01:02 AM
I'm weak when it comes to speaking my mind...I make a pathetic argumwent...all I can say is, I find your behavior terribly hypocritical. That's all.

TRIEUMINATOR
09-07-2002, 01:08 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>


It don't need to be Mark of the Fucking Wolves it needs to be like KoF should be. 2K1 is a piece of shit glitchy game.

Even as much as KoF 2K was broken with the massive Striker Bullshit all over the place, the Game was still fucking fun.

All I'm saying is that some people need to fucking not get their fucking hopes up and whatnot only to realize the gameplay sucks a fucking dick. If the gameplay plays like '98 or better then that's good enough for me.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

The gameplay looks very similar to KOF2K1. I can't tell unless I play it. I'd say it doesn't play like KOF '98, so you probably won't like it. Bonus is right, don't keep your hopes up. It sucks. :)

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 01:10 AM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong>I'm weak when it comes to speaking my mind...I make a pathetic argumwent...all I can say is, I find your behavior terribly hypocritical. That's all.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well at least you finally spoke your mind. I do my job and I do it well. If you've got problems or things needed to be done in IRC then I will help you as best as I can.

Outside of IRC I don't give a fuuuuck.

I speak my fucking mind when i feel like it. The art for this game is shit and i pray to fucking god the gameplay isn't in the fucking crapper also.

I'm seriously hoping i'm wrong because if the game sucks ass then I will truly dissappointed.

I love my Neo*Geo and the games I have on it kick some serious ass but I'm not a blind stupid ass to say games like Legend of Success fucking Joe are great games because they are not.

Mark of the Wolves is Good,.

Metal Slug 1,2,x & 3 are good.

Sengoku 3 is good.

Ninja Masters is good.

Fatal Fury Special is good.

KoF 96/97/98/99/2K is Good.

This is coming from someone who spent a shitload of hours playing these games. So when KoF 2K1 came out and I was sorly let down by this glitched out gameplay I was fucking pissed and rightly so. 2K2 So far hasn't done shit to impress me.

Period.

I fucking REFUSE to let myself get sucked into the fucking hype until I either A)Play it or B)Hear people who actually play fighting games talk about it.

Until then,
This is all bullshit....

rarehero
09-07-2002, 01:10 AM
cool pics Mr Trieu
looking forward to the movie.
just dl ed all the small ones on the other
japanese site.
i hope it does turn out better than 2001.
i very much do not like 2001.
if they can tap into what made 98 a great game
then they could finally have a good game on their hands
post SNK.

ShikiMikoto
09-07-2002, 01:19 AM
very well, I accept that. I do agree that 2k1 was pretty bad...perhaps I forgot for a second the extreme freedom of speech on these boards compared to that piec of shit place I was before...but overall, I DO agree with you, BonusKun about your expectations..this new KoF better be worth it.

Ran Thrie
09-07-2002, 01:40 AM
Thx Trieu. Looks great. but I too need game play info. I could really care less if the life bars look like shyt etc etc. Is the game solid? Thats all.

Nevertheless can't wait for the vids.

Zeekade Zarathos
09-07-2002, 02:05 AM
Vids. Vids rules. Vids make life worth living. Well, not really, but vids are great, nonetheless.

Thanks a bunch Treiu. And while I DO live in the LA area (Glendale, to be exact), I'll just sit tight. But thanks for the invite.

EDIT: I misspelled my own town. Sheesh...

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Zeekade Zarathos ]</p>

SPINMASTER X
09-07-2002, 02:14 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

ALL THIS COCK TEASING BULLSHIT. AFTER THE DISSAPPOINTMENT I HAD WITH KOF2K1'S GAMEPLAY I'D LIKE SOME SOLID REASSURANCE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO SUCK ASS.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO FUCKING ASK FOR INSTEAD OF JACKING OFF ON THIS SHIT?

SHOW ME SOME SHIT WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING THIS GAME AS A REAL KOF SHOULD BE THEN I'LL BE FUCKING IMPRESSED :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

haahahahaha, he said "Cock Teasing" <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

RabbitTroop
09-07-2002, 02:24 AM
Trieu, I need to get that game from you :) Sunday huh, I might have to stop by. I'll send you an email tonight or tomorrow.

-Nick

ray_7
09-07-2002, 02:55 AM
I love u can't wait for the VIDEO!!!

Loopz
09-07-2002, 03:20 AM
Rock on with your bad self Bonus Kun. I feel the exact same way...seems like folks totally sidestep the issue of GAMEPLAY on this game...all the hair-splitting over art and what characters come back doesn't mean shit unless the real 3-on-3 glitch-free gameplay has returned. People like you and I probably won't get a real answer until we sit the fuck down in front of the cabinet and drop $5.00.

7zark7
09-07-2002, 03:25 AM
Thanks for the screen shots, Looking forward to that video as well.

same game engine, same sprites, same music couple new moves, new backgrounds, and minor timing adjustments....thats about as forumla as it gets. More KoF, sounds good to me.

But I am getting sick of the hype, all those magazine covers, two years of previews, trailers, demos, flyers, and the mountain of ads. gah. hype :)

Kid Aphex
09-07-2002, 03:31 AM
i have 10 megs of space if you need additional hosting [as WMVs of course]


Peace,
ray

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 04:07 AM
All I'm saying is this.

Quit Jerking off on the fucking art so much and try to focus on what KoF is.

A Fucking Fighting Game!

It's a Game which is in it's 9th release of this series!

NINE FUCKING GAMES!

You would HOPE that after 9 games that KoF would be one of the most perfect fighters out there!

The 5th game in the series so far has not been topped. Ever.

http://www.neo-geo.com/snk/carts/us/kof98.jpg

Until THAT KoF is topped, Then I will be truly dissappointed until then.

You beat KoF 98 in Gameplay and varity and then you've got a fucking game that is worth mentioning!! <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" />

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Shito
09-07-2002, 04:30 AM
Trieuminator: thank you very much! :)

BonusKun: shouting and putting a 'fucking' after each word or two you just seems retarded. Actually a *very unpleasant* retarded. Not even worth to read IMHO. Go learn a little bit of well-manners at least and than come back and write.

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Shito ]

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Shito ]</p>

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 04:52 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Shito:
<strong>Trieuminator: thank you very much! :)

BonusKun: shouting and putting a 'fucking' after each word or two you just seems retarded. Actually a *very unpleasant* retarded. Not even worth to read IMHO. Go learn a little bit of well-manners at least and than come back and write.

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Shito ]

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Shito ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you don't like the shit I write then go fuck off and kiss my fucking ass.

It's my opinion so like it or lump it. You don't like the way I speak?

TOUGH SHIT!!

Deal with it or fucking don't say shit to me unless you can argue about it!!

The main reason I'm giving some of you people shit is because a shitload of you are jumping on the bandwagon with 'OOOOOOOO's' and 'AHHHHHHHs' of the art and screen shots when the last KoF SUCKED.

None of you don't seem to LISTEN when someone is making a legitmate bitch about the game.

Espcially coming from someone who won't jerk off on the inserts, pics or screen shots.

KoF 2K1 SUCKED!

That's right I said it! It was terrible. I tried to play this game too.

God I TRIED but, there was too many fucked up issues in it to keep me going. So don't you THINK after 9 games that some people might get pissed if the series when the Gameplay went from GREAT *KoF 98* to Shit KoF2K1.

This is a New DreamMatch KoF. Ok so someone is finally listening but even then, it's stil sad if people are already saying it looks like KoF 2K1 gameplay

WTF!!

You don't downgrade and stick with crap that nobody likes. You upgrade your game with a solid engine, new characters, solid gameplay and overall fun playing style that makes KoF 1998 probably one of the most RECONIZED Fighting Games outside of Samurai SHODOWN II for Good games!!

So Unless you want to go circles with me right here and now you'd best back the fuck off and talk about the gameplay instead of jumping on how I fucking type! <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" />

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Kid Aphex
09-07-2002, 04:57 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

If you don't like the shit I write then go fuck off and kiss my fucking ass.

It's my opinion so like it or lump it. You don't like the way I speak?

TOUGH SHIT!!

Deal with it or fucking don't say shit to me unless you can argue about it!!</strong><hr></blockquote>


You're a fucking moron. you're not arguing, youre just spouting off your opinion like a little child. its your right, but its annoying as fuck.


peace,
ray

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 05:07 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>


You're a fucking moron. you're not arguing, youre just spouting off your opinion like a little child. its your right, but its annoying as fuck.


peace,
ray</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh Phuleeze!

If I was here to try and be a moron I'd start off with some stupid shit about how I think NGF is the best thing since sliced Gravy but I'm NOT now am I?

But then again who gives a shit seeing as some people are blind as to what KoF is supposed be.

And speaking of morons! I remember when Biomotor posted about the Korean team acting childish at the World Cup, and you helped lead the charge into turning it into a Korea-racism Thread.

[quote]Exactly....
I dont understand why the civilized world agreed to allow the world cup to be hosted in a country where dogs are eaten. The country is garbage. We should've napalmed all the women.

peace,
ray<hr></blockquote>

Now who's the moron stupidass...

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Fran
09-07-2002, 05:21 AM
back to the roots,its a 3 vs 3 kof

no shitty strikers

kof isnt a circus

took em 3 years to understand that,damn

so this is basically a kof 98 part 2 without the sports team,heidern,saisyu and king

and a few new SUPER LAME losers like seth and ramon or maxima

people been saying since day 1 this is like a sequel to kof 98

so i'm pretty sure it will rock

just a feeling

of course,cant be 100 % sure till we play it

patience is the key word here

7zark7
09-07-2002, 05:25 AM
This reminds me of this conversation I had with a guy in a game shop. He swore that all the KoFs were crap except for 94. He hated the "edit team bull shit".He thought it was "cheap". I really couldn't aguee with him. He swore a lot and was really sure of his point of view. In the end all I could do was nod, smile, and tell him to enjoy 94.

enjoy 98.

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 05:27 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Loopz:
<strong>Rock on with your bad self Bonus Kun. I feel the exact same way...seems like folks totally sidestep the issue of GAMEPLAY on this game...all the hair-splitting over art and what characters come back doesn't mean shit unless the real 3-on-3 glitch-free gameplay has returned. People like you and I probably won't get a real answer until we sit the fuck down in front of the cabinet and drop $5.00.</strong><hr></blockquote>

At least somebody here understand what the fuck I'm getting at.

Doesn't this shit get old people? 9 Years now KoF has graced our AES systems!

9 YEARS and only the 5th game was honestly the most truly respected in the series?

Sit down, Look past all the fucking eye candy and try to see what kind of shit you can do in this game.

Shit like is Kyo's AutoGuard back and as nasty as it was in the 97/98 days?

Is Iori's cross up still easy to pull off into set up.

Does Terry Ever get that fucking monkey off his back?

Get your heads out of your asses, and see what the hell that actualy GAME has that is worth note.

You can have all the pretty crap you want but it's how the game plays which makes people come back for more!!

Anything else is just bullshit!!

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Daisuke Jigen
09-07-2002, 05:29 AM
BK is right. A game like KoF is so old by now, there should be no excuse at all for poor gameplay.

The game has remained the same at its core all these years. They spend more than enough time in development. They are obivously NOT redrawing sprites. There is no reason for broken, glitchy gameplay. (striker abuse, infinites, etc..)

The game looks good to me. But that is absolutley no reason to praise it as the "best KoF yet!"

BioMotor_Unitron
09-07-2002, 05:36 AM
<img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> THEM PICTURES SHORE ARE PURTY! <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Daisuke Jigen
09-07-2002, 05:36 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>back to the roots,its a 3 vs 3 kof

no shitty strikers

kof isnt a circus

took em 3 years to understand that,damn</strong><hr></blockquote>

Amen.
[quote]
<strong>so this is basically a kof 98 part 2 without the sports team,heidern,saisyu and king</strong>

<hr></blockquote>

No Shingo either. No Eiji. No Geese.

[quote]<strong>and a few new SUPER LAME losers like seth and ramon or maxima</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was just talking to Derek about this in chat. I never really liked the new characters since 2000. They don't seem "KoF-ish"

[quote]<strong>people been saying since day 1 this is like a sequel to kof 98

so i'm pretty sure it will rock

just a feeling

of course,cant be 100 % sure till we play it

patience is the key word here</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here's hoping. But without one of my main guys, I can't get too excited.

What am I going to do, learn to use Ramon? Seth?

:rolleyes:

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Daisuke Jigen ]</p>

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 05:43 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>back to the roots,its a 3 vs 3 kof

no shitty strikers

kof isnt a circus

took em 3 years to understand that,damn

so this is basically a kof 98 part 2 without the sports team,heidern,saisyu and king

and a few new SUPER LAME losers like seth and ramon or maxima

people been saying since day 1 this is like a sequel to kof 98

so i'm pretty sure it will rock

just a feeling

of course,cant be 100 % sure till we play it

patience is the key word here</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually I'll argue that KoF 2K is a Good one in the serious also.

Sure the game is broken as all fuck but it was still fun as hell.

Out of all the series KoF 98 and 2K get the most props from me.

koF 98 for Best Solid Gameplay and KoF 2K for pushing the limits with a system that worked out great.

KoF 2K was way more combo friendly than 98 was but that's the only thing I can think 2K had over it!

Shito
09-07-2002, 05:46 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>


You're a fucking moron. you're not arguing, youre just spouting off your opinion like a little child. its your right, but its annoying as fuck.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just simple like that.

BonusKun, as Kasumi says 'come back when you grow up'. Odd English, but great meaning indeed, perfectly fitting your case.

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 05:50 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Shito:
<strong>

Just simple like that.

BonusKun, as Kasumi says 'come back when you grow up'. Odd English, but great meaning indeed, perfectly fitting your case.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look numbnuts when you decide to quit looking for magic unseen problems with Neo games get back to me ok?

2ndly you're agreeing with someone who called Korea a Garbage country and pretty much made himself an even a bigger stupidass for it so that shit holds no ground.

Get with the program and keep on fucking topic or don't say shit at all.

This is about KoF!

Not Manual Baggies ok?

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Devil_Gans
09-07-2002, 05:56 AM
I can't wait to play this motherfucker.Its looking damn good so far. <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" />

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 06:04 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Devil_Gans:
<strong>I can't wait to play this motherfucker.Its looking damn good so far. <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Gameplay better not sucks ass Gans is all I can say.

Speaking of Sucking, LY says hi on PSO. All that numbskull has been doing is BA and Challange!

If you're curious I recently hit Level 200 on Phantasy Star Online and captured it for all eternity.

LY was with me as KRAUSER so if you want to see him for a bit in the game check out the link <a href="http://www.pimp-productions.com/videos/bkPSO.avi" target="_blank">Here!</a> :D

Devil_Gans
09-07-2002, 06:06 AM
Heh, thanks bonus <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

Kid Aphex
09-07-2002, 06:10 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

Look numbnuts when you decide to quit looking for magic unseen problems with Neo games get back to me ok?

2ndly you're agreeing with someone who called Korea a Garbage country and pretty much made himself an even a bigger stupidass for it so that shit holds no ground.

Get with the program and keep on fucking topic or don't say shit at all.

This is about KoF!

Not Manual Baggies ok?

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Wow, im racist. You sure have pinned me down, mo-fucking-ron. It doesnt matter what old threads you dig up to "show me up on an internet forum", i just need to reply to this one to show everyone what a fucking moron you are.

again, grow up,
ray

Fran
09-07-2002, 06:14 AM
come on people
be nice
be nice

IT'S A NEW KOF !!!!
and i wont be disappointed AGAIN!

( or so i hope )

how tops is that?

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 06:15 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>


Wow, im racist. You sure have pinned me down, mo-fucking-ron. It doesnt matter what old threads you dig up to "show me up on an internet forum", i just need to reply to this one to show everyone what a fucking moron you are.

again, grow up,
ray</strong><hr></blockquote>

lol You're the dumbshit who said it in the 1st place now wern't you?

Can't defend the fact you made a stupid comment and got owned by it?

Now are ya gonna address the points about KoF2K2 which I've brought up or are you going to sit here and cry me a fucking river?

Daisuke Jigen
09-07-2002, 06:20 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>
IT'S A NEW KOF !!!!
and i wont be disappointed AGAIN!

( or so i hope )

how tops is that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It would be nice to believe that. But honestly, do you think it will actually happen?

supergoose
09-07-2002, 06:33 AM
thx TRIEUMINATOR. i like those pics.
can't wait for the vids or some reviews.

@ BK : i think that you're (somewhat) right ... but ... imo you should calm down a bit. just show a little respect towards TRIEUMINATORs work and wait for some reviews or a chance to actually play that game.

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 06:37 AM
[quote]Originally posted by supergoose79:
<strong>thx TRIEUMINATOR. i like those pics.
can't wait for the vids or some reviews.

@ BK : i think that you're (somewhat) right ... but ... imo you should calm down a bit. just show a little respect towards TRIEUMINATORs work and wait for some reviews or a chance to actually play that game.</strong><hr></blockquote>


After 9 years of koF and seeing as the last one sucked serious ass I don't think my temperment is in good place anymore seeing as some people tried to hype KoF2k1 as the best koF since 98.

That alone was a bald face lie!!!

And now I'm seeing the same fucking thing out of people here on KoF 2K2!!

To be frank I'm disgusted by it and I've kept my mouth shut about it for far too long!!

If these people can't handle a dose of bluntness then they don't need to say anything about it!!

The Black Knight
09-07-2002, 06:38 AM
Kun, don't ask people who don't understand fighting game engines in the least to gauge the gameplay for you.

I still want to play more KOF'95.

Err, wait, that was totally random. Sorry about that.

Where was I...oh yes. 2k2.

I want to look at the graphics only too, if that's all right.

The backgrounds are too big for the sprites, and most of them look pretty damned hokey. And the text...all of the text is sized incorrectly, and looks like junk.

Even if you just focus on graphics, I don't see where the improvement is.

Doesn't matter to me anyways. I only like KOF'99 Evo and KOF'95.

Gameplay is very important...as are graphics, sound effects, and music. Focusing on one aspect is a mistake. I think that's what BonusKun is mad about, here. That, and when you bought a KOF back in the '90s range, it seemed like it was far more worth it. You got a lot of special intros, GREAT art, a lot of clever backgrounds, great music, and more. The gameplay was decent enough, depending on your tastes.

But now, you're lucky to get a handful of intros. The art is suffering, as a bad mixed blend of Korean and Japanese styles. The music is getting dismal...2k1 doesn't even justify a soundtrack.

I think BonusKun just feels like I do...Eolith and Brezzasoft need to win back their fans with all-around quality. And they haven't been...so when people go nuts about a "new KOF", it just reassures them that they can release half-assed stuff and still be praised. That doesn't do anyone any good.

And then we get a little ticked...(or he does). But I see where's he's coming from.

I'm tired, and I'm going to bed. Here's the last thing I want to say.

Don't fight over this. Everyone's wasting their breath. Kun, realize that such talk is harmless, and that Eolith and Brezzasoft reap what they sow, especially in Japan. Everyone hyping up KOF2k2, do so with a balanced mind. A little skepticism would help all parties. After all, how will a game ever be good without contructive criticism from the fans?

- The (tired) Black Knight

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 06:51 AM
TBK,
Out of the people I know, I can never really argue with you seeing as you and me see eye to eye on a lot of this hokay bullshit.

It's late and I've got work to do. Before I go I will say this.

KoF 2K2 so far looks like shit. Nothing any of you can say will change that.

The only thing that will make it work for me and make me shut the fuck up about this is the hope that it will play like KoF should play and not this powdered Buffalo bullshit that we got last year... <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" />

LWK
09-07-2002, 06:57 AM
Mornin all. KOF used to be all about gameplay until 2000 (yes I dig 99 believe it or not)
Cause all you need in 2k is king and Seth as a striker. WOW, what a load a automated blasphemy.

KOF went bad with strikers. They are the single reason it lost respect.
2K1 was shit and aside from Igniz and May Lee feels about 10% SNK, and 90% HORDED. Why?

Well take a look at Igniz in 2K1, he is the only character and with stage to match that had a slight SNK feel to it. Hell I am biased and I admit it. I saw those 2K2 vids, but I dont know what it is all I look at is the art. Fran I gotta disagree with your thought here. I want shin back, I dont like this nona person.
Surreal as some may look it feels to awkward.

I miss the little SNK ish things replaced with this crude art that is so bad its almost and insult to the series. (Its not as bad as last years for sure though)

I see Yashiro and Shermie in those vids, gotta say they look FAB!
Then again in a plastic world looks are everything. KOF isnt Tinsel town though. Its a part of life. (ng fans, remember that)

I got every KOF myself, I do not have 2k1.

Things I disliked

K9999
MUSIC
ART
PRESENTATION

None of these things felt KOF. I dont like the new doughy art style we have to put up with. I honestly would find it exceptable if the artists was punched in the face.

Now now then, 94,95,96,97,98,99,2K,2K1,2K2
Wow quite a timeline for such a series.
Doesnt run on and optimized board and all that soul shit.

KOF has become a chore for the people who really understand it.
Newer members like Ray who didnt play it back before (I may be wrong, sorry if I am) just wont understand.

I mean Yamazaki in 98....EXCELLENCE in chaos!
Now K9999 in 2K1? I dont like him cause he is a sissy's character. He is real easy to abuse with, he has multi hits. Half this damn art makes the chars look like they have down syndrome.....

K9999 = Tetsuo = wannabe = No respect

to me at least.
Angel is a piece of meat made to show some ass. (I dont mind it, actually dont mind this nona moron making ass pics of her)

I am a guy, ass is a good thing.
Its just this feeling. A SNK epiphony (I cant spell)of sorts..
A true feeling of bliss.

SNK is my drug, my true respect lies with the dead...

2K1 feels weird. Like sex with a ugly women. Its just weird and creepy and once again weird.

This site is full of flakes. Im not hitting names, but I know where the money is, im not blind. Even to my own fuck ups.
Granted anyone can pimp anything.

KOF aint the same, I am not excited about the newest installment, my triple blue is missing.
So is my ginseng. "the queen is dead, take me back to dear old dad"

JHendrix
09-07-2002, 07:00 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

ALL THIS COCK TEASING BULLSHIT. AFTER THE DISSAPPOINTMENT I HAD WITH KOF2K1'S GAMEPLAY I'D LIKE SOME SOLID REASSURANCE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO SUCK ASS.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO FUCKING ASK FOR INSTEAD OF JACKING OFF ON THIS SHIT?

SHOW ME SOME SHIT WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING THIS GAME AS A REAL KOF SHOULD BE THEN I'LL BE FUCKING IMPRESSED :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Somebody wants a flame war............ :D

Well after seeing Bonus go ape shit for 3 pages (hey it was an interesting read), I can say this:

KOF is old. I'm sort of excited about playing 2k2, and even though I enjoy KOF2k1, I still feel that yes, it's gotten very stale. I think I should grab a copy of ROTD, at least it's got new chars and sprites.

I mean after giving Metal Slug 4 some serious playtime last night and seeing how good the game looks, it was sad to switch over to 2k1 afterwards and be like "WTF?"

But I have to say that unlike Bonus, I enjoy playing KOF2k1. It's a fun game, maybe cause it's KOF and it's hard to fuck it up (although they've tried their darnedest).

Peace

JHendrix

Kid Aphex
09-07-2002, 07:28 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>


After 9 years of koF and seeing as the last one sucked serious ass I don't think my temperment is in good place anymore seeing as some people tried to hype KoF2k1 as the best koF since 98.

That alone was a bald face lie!!!

And now I'm seeing the same fucking thing out of people here on KoF 2K2!!

To be frank I'm disgusted by it and I've kept my mouth shut about it for far too long!!

If these people can't handle a dose of bluntness then they don't need to say anything about it!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

shut up and go find a real cause; not a fucking video game. you're really immature sounding; are you this way in real life? is this how you "own" people in real life? what a little kid. grow up you little internet fuck.

dfx
09-07-2002, 07:56 AM
lalala..
bonus you're entertaining!

expect for the story i dont see kof
as a series cause every part plays different,
and that is a good thing! for real would someone
truely like 9 kof98's ?

not me, not me!
i like the fact that the gameplay changes every year!
otherwise i would have stopped playing it long ago!....

thats life!
its never like back then
accept it
cause
you cant do anything against it! :)

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: dfx ]</p>

Shito
09-07-2002, 08:31 AM
Really BonusKun, you're just pityful... :(
Try to realize that... maybe you can still do something about it. <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Shito ]</p>

cgun
09-07-2002, 08:34 AM
Haha, you know what so fucking lame about this forum?

First of, most people praise games lik karnovīs revenge and kabuki klash. But still KOF 2001 and Metal slug 4 for example is pure trash.

Thatīs the biggest pile of shit iīve ever heard. I think KOF 2001 is great, maybe the best in the series. And KOF 2002 looks mighty fine, even if they've gone back to 3 on 3 combat.

I like series to evolve, the old games will still be there, go play 98 and save youīre money if you think itīs shit.

Spike Spiegel 2.0
09-07-2002, 09:18 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>
To the rest of you:
If you've got a fucking problem with my opinion then fucking speak your mind about it! Don't be a fucking wuss and not say anything.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very well. You're acting like a little baby. Look back at what you typed and think about it. You're completely flipping out. Settle down.

Spike

Phoenix Down
09-07-2002, 09:34 AM
First of all, thank you Trieuminator for the pics and info. I'd really appreciate it if you could get some videos up, that would definitely be cool, but just seeing the pics alone makes me happy. :)

Second, I'm definitely interested in KOF 2002, but I'll agree that I need to play it first before I can say whether it's good or bad. All I can say so far is that on paper (and images) it looks good so far.

Third, Bonuskun, I respect your opinion, however I think it could have been made with a lot less ranting and profanity. Your behavior is abhorrent for an administrator in this forum, especially considering how great the other admins are here.

Oh, and one more thing, Bonuskun, there's this magic thing on your keyboard called a "caps lock." Please turn it off.

Thank you.

Force
09-07-2002, 11:37 AM
Bonus used to be a very level headed guy. I don't know where this little rant came from, and I think you owe triemanator an apology for shitting all over what could have been a productive thread.

I find that all of the Kof games are worth playing in one way or another. I just like all of them. I doubt 2k2 will be an exception.

Matt

I'm still pissed that lin didn't make it in tho <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

NeoZ24
09-07-2002, 11:41 AM
If you don't like 2001 then dont play it. This thread is for 2002 not bs :rolleyes:

cgun
09-07-2002, 12:13 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>
I find that all of the Kof games are worth playing in one way or another. I just like all of them. I doubt 2k2 will be an exception.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very true, there might be no king or eiji, and the gameplay may be "different" to put it in an objective aspect. But KOF 98 or which ever you like better will always be there.

Mike
09-07-2002, 12:15 PM
[quote]At least somebody here understand what the fuck I'm getting at.

Doesn't this shit get old people? 9 Years now KoF has graced our AES systems!

9 YEARS and only the 5th game was honestly the most truly respected in the series?

Sit down, Look past all the fucking eye candy and try to see what kind of shit you can do in this game.

Shit like is Kyo's AutoGuard back and as nasty as it was in the 97/98 days?

Is Iori's cross up still easy to pull off into set up.

Does Terry Ever get that fucking monkey off his back?

Get your heads out of your asses, and see what the hell that actualy GAME has that is worth note.

You can have all the pretty crap you want but it's how the game plays which makes people come back for more!!

Anything else is just bullshit!!

<hr></blockquote>


It sounds like this rage has been building over the last few years...

Let it out man. Let it all out.

Thanks for the pics!

RiotoftheBlood
09-07-2002, 12:28 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>TBK,
The only thing that will make it work for me and make me shut the fuck up about this is the hope that it will play like KoF should play and not this powdered Buffalo bullshit that we got last year... <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Damn BonusKun. For your own sake, settle down! You haven't played the game yet, so why get so upset automatically? Once you play the game I'll be more than happy to read you sound off on how much you hate (or love) it.

It's a game, not some epic life event!

pyrokilla
09-07-2002, 12:47 PM
[quote]Originally posted by RiotoftheBlood:
<strong>It's a game, not some epic life event!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Heh, ya good thing people act civil around here when anything new happens....

Stephane
09-07-2002, 01:34 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>TBK,
Out of the people I know, I can never really argue with you seeing as you and me see eye to eye on a lot of this hokay bullshit.

It's late and I've got work to do. Before I go I will say this.

KoF 2K2 so far looks like shit. Nothing any of you can say will change that.

The only thing that will make it work for me and make me shut the fuck up about this is the hope that it will play like KoF should play and not this powdered Buffalo bullshit that we got last year... <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


play the game and really know the game before say that !
Picture and video cant really show the real feeling !
Play them against the computer, against some friends, and only after you can judge, never judge before know !

BC_Gambit
09-07-2002, 01:45 PM
Wow, quite a thread that's been going on over just a few screenshots! (thanks Trieu for the screenshots and looking forward to the vid).

I HAVEN'T (gasp!) played a KoF since 99, so I don't know how Eolith/Playmore have "fucked it up".

Bonus, all this harping about how KoF98 hasn't been topped is silly. It happens to be my favorite too, but I'm sure other people have their own reasons for naming another as a favorite, or even enjoying 2K1.

You keep saying how you're pissed "certain people" hyped 2K1, presumably for financial gain? Have the balls to name names or give examples? Or are you just ranting?

2K2 looks interesting to me. When the MVS drops, I'll probably get it no matter what. Like someone said earlier, there's been many KoF games, of course only one will be your favorite. If it doesn't happen to be the latest and shiniest one, that's okay. If you hop onto a new one each year, that's okay too.

To finish off, I'll use a star wars analogy. Original Trilogy was great. Prequel stuff has been abyssmal. Just goes to show that even when you have the same company/person working on something, spending more money with new technology you won't get a greater product. Sometime the muse moves you and you connect with your audience, and sometimes you just make yourself look like an ass.

Deal with it :)

(this has easily been my longest post ever)

Giga Power
09-07-2002, 02:00 PM
First off, thanks Tru for the pics. That was really cool of you. I've been dying for some info on this game lately.
And about BK, he's a cool guy, and usually level headed (like someone already pointed out) so I dont know why he went off the way he did, but it doesn't happen all of the time. So let is slide. He was just trying to voice his opinon.

Now as far as 2k1 being shit, I dunno. There was someone a few posts back that said they felt that 2k1 was the best of the series. I have to agree. I really liked the new feel to the game, and thought it played excellent. I never have understood people complaining about the striker systems, because if you dont use them then they practically aren't there. I loved the ratio system in 2k1 because fans of 94-98 could play the style they liked, and 99-00 could play an extreme version of that style.
But I will also go to say that one of the biggest things I liked about 2k1 was the storyline involved aspects, like the character specific win quotes and so on. That was just awesome. 2k2 better have this.
But I love every KoF. I think that 98 is the second best, and if 2k2 is more like that style, then that's great. But every KoF is different from the rest, and thats one of the reasons that I like the series. Like someone stated before, a million KoFs using the same engine wouldn't be fun. Then instead of everyone bitching about change, they would be bitching about getting the same damn thing. No matter what you do, you can never make everyone happy. And I think it's cool that KoF at least tries, by making every one of the games a new experience.

Clear Paper
09-07-2002, 02:48 PM
Thanks Trieu for the pictures and the upcoming vid. Out of curiosity, is this cart you have a beta version? or is it an official release?

On Bonus Kun's ranting, I think he was just being facetious with his first reply about his emphasis on gameplay and less on the graphics. Why would someone use so much profanity to try to get a serious point across? More so since all Trieu said was that the graphics look sweet from the vid he's contributing, and nothing about the gameplay.

And just my two cents, to me KOF2K1 has the best gameplay to date, closely followed by KOF98. And I think graphics plays a large part too. If KOF2K2 ended up looking like KOF2K1, that would spell the end of the KOF series. I'm glad they spruced it up.

RabbitTroop
09-07-2002, 03:06 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Clear Paper:
[QB]Thanks Trieu for the pictures and the upcoming vid. Out of curiosity, is this cart you have a beta version? or is it an official release?QB]<hr></blockquote>

He said in his first post that he has a promo video, so no cart yet :) I can't wait to see in action though. My best friend goes to Japan two or three times a year.... and it just so happens he left today! He goes to Osaka to see his girl and she lives near Neo Geo Land... and he is going to see KOF2K2... I am so jealous... hehe, but soon enough it will be at Golfland. I am more excited to hear what people at Neo-Geo Land are saying, hopefully he will talk to a few hardcore KOF people and get their opinions.

-Nick

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: nruva ]</p>

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 07:20 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>

shut up and go find a real cause; not a fucking video game. you're really immature sounding; are you this way in real life? is this how you "own" people in real life? what a little kid. grow up you little internet fuck.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bitch are you still fucking here? I would have thought after I owned your stupidass when you butted into my business that you'd put a cork in it.

Go find someone else who actually gives a fuck what you think!

[quote]Really BonusKun, you're just pityful...
Try to realize that... maybe you can still do something about it.<hr></blockquote>

As for YOU, You are one to talk after sitting there having a fucking pissy about about a game you bought from NBM over something that is actually a load of bullshit. So don't talk to me about how I should act when you're doing the same god damn fucking thing yourself.

God damn fucking hyprocrite! :mad:

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 07:23 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Stephane:
<strong>


play the game and really know the game before say that !
Picture and video cant really show the real feeling !
Play them against the computer, against some friends, and only after you can judge, never judge before know !</strong><hr></blockquote>

I held my words after last year's KoF because I was willing to give these new guys a fair fucking shake!

Now already Vihn is saying it's got the looks of KoF2K1's gameplay AGAIN?

What the hell is Eolith fucking smoking?!?!?

If it's the same shit again then the game will be garbage and not worth the time of playing it!

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 07:35 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BC_Gambit:
<strong>Bonus, all this harping about how KoF98 hasn't been topped is silly. It happens to be my favorite too, but I'm sure other people have their own reasons for naming another as a favorite, or even enjoying 2K1.</strong><hr></blockquote>

When I sit there and realize that I find myself going back to play either KoF 98 or KoF2K then there is a fucking problem!

[quote]Originally posted by BC_Gambit:
<strong>You keep saying how you're pissed "certain people" hyped 2K1, presumably for financial gain? Have the balls to name names or give examples? Or are you just ranting?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did I say financial gain?

No I fucking didnt'!

I'm talking about the Gameplay being a piece of shit from last year's KoF and then come to find out people are saying it looks like it's going to be the same as KoF2K2?!?!?!?

FUCK THAT NOISE!!!

You don't downgrade your best selling fighting games, you improve on them and make people want to come back for more. That's why I'm so fucking annoyed at a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon of 'Oh it's looks great! I must have it!'

You don't buy a fucking game like KoF for looks espically on hardware that is over THIRTEEN YEARS OLD! You buy a new Neo game for Gameplay!

That's IT! Anything else is just a bullshit excuse!

[quote]Originally posted by BC_Gambit:
<strong>2K2 looks interesting to me. When the MVS drops, I'll probably get it no matter what. Like someone said earlier, there's been many KoF games, of course only one will be your favorite. If it doesn't happen to be the latest and shiniest one, that's okay. If you hop onto a new one each year, that's okay too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The thing is you're missing is the fact that I've PLAYED THEM ALL!! I think KoF is the best thing SNK ever did outside of Samurai Shodown and they need to keep the tradition of what KoF should be.

I shouldn't have to look at playing KoF 2K1 as a chore but something I like to enjoy!

[quote]Originally posted by BC_Gambit:
<strong>To finish off, I'll use a star wars analogy. Original Trilogy was great. Prequel stuff has been abyssmal. Just goes to show that even when you have the same company/person working on something, spending more money with new technology you won't get a greater product. Sometime the muse moves you and you connect with your audience, and sometimes you just make yourself look like an ass.

Deal with it :)

(this has easily been my longest post ever)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh and about that shit. Empire owns the fuck out of all the Star Wars movies.

Period! <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

JaDaKiSs
09-07-2002, 07:58 PM
I read very little of this topic, but I don't need to read it all to tell you how I feel...

If any of you go to play it, and don't like it, don't come back here to whine and cry about wasting all your money on hype...

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 10:23 PM
[quote]Very well. You're acting like a little baby. Look back at what you typed and think about it. You're completely flipping out. Settle down.

Spike<hr></blockquote>

Yeah! It only took me nine fucking years to be finally fed with this bullshit.

2ndly when you spend a shitlaod of money for your Neo games, you expect quality, not garbage.

[quote]Third, Bonuskun, I respect your opinion, however I think it could have been made with a lot less ranting and profanity. Your behavior is abhorrent for an administrator in this forum, especially considering how great the other admins are here.

Oh, and one more thing, Bonuskun, there's this magic thing on your keyboard called a "caps lock." Please turn it off.<hr></blockquote>

[b]I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING YOU ASK BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING A SARCASTIC ASSHOLE ABOUT IT.

MAGIC THING MY ASS WHY DON'T YOU CLOSE THAT MAGIC THING CALLED YOUR MOUTH! IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE A FUCKING SMARTASS TO ME THEN EXPECT TO GET WHAT YOU GIVE!

PERIOD!

[quote]Bonus used to be a very level headed guy. I don't know where this little rant came from, and I think you owe triemanator an apology for shitting all over what could have been a productive thread.<hr></blockquote>

You wanna know where it came from Matt?

Did you honestly expect me to put up with this bullshit for 9 years and not finally be annoyed to all shit over it?

God damn Matt look past the fucking eye candy and collectability of this title and LOOK AT THE GAME!!

People are saying this game is already just like KOF2K1! If that's the truth then there is seriously something the fuck wrong here!

[quote]If you don't like 2001 then dont play it. This thread is for 2002 not bs <hr></blockquote>

If you would fucking READ what people post you'd see that I am bitching about KoF 2K2!

[quote]Damn BonusKun. For your own sake, settle down! You haven't played the game yet, so why get so upset automatically? Once you play the game I'll be more than happy to read you sound off on how much you hate (or love) it.

It's a game, not some epic life event!<hr></blockquote>

Tell that to my fucking wallet each time I've been seriously let down by a new Neo game!

To the Rest of you:

I've have been playing Videogames since 1979.

I've seen it fall and come back and nearly die and throughout all the games I've played, enjoyed or tried my hand at, the main thing about new Videogames espcially in a series be it Street Fighter, KoF, Samurai Shodown, Last Blade, Final Fantasy, or whatever.

The Main thing which should be focused is innovation and the ability to show that you can outdo your previous efforts!

This is what makes most people excited about KoF is that the HOPE that the game will not suck.

The thing is that a LOT of you are just looking at pics and going 'Oh New Neo game! Great Pics! I know I'm owning this!' And NOT HARDLY ONCE HAVE THOSE SAME PEOPLE EVEN GIVIN MUCH DEPTH AND THOUGHT TO THE GAMEPLAY, MUSIC OR PRESENTATION AND THAT MINDSET FUCKING STINKS!!

Yeah I'm not normally like this and to be honest I'm a nice guy to deal with in person and real life but I have Zero Tolerance for Bullshit and that's all I'm seeing.

Bullshit!

The thing is from reading over this thread that I'm not the ONLY one who feels like this but I'm the one who's being more fucking vocal about it because it is my God Givin right to speak up when I'm rightly fucking pissed about this shitty game that's I'm seeing so far...

The fact that people are saying it wil play like KoF2k1 and what's also sad is the fact that it's fucking hard to find a real neo GAMER in these FUCKING FORUMS outside of people who only collect!

I'm sure some of you 'Play' your games but fucking hell sit down and actually PLAY it and try to learn everything about the game that you possibly can!

9 Years of KoF and Only 2 of them were worth their weight in gold...

Fucking Sad.... :mad:

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

JHendrix
09-07-2002, 10:28 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

Tell that to my fucking wallet each time I've been seriously let down by a new Neo game!

To the Rest of you:

I've have been playing Videogames since 1979. I've seen it fall and come back and nearly die and throughout all the games I've played, enjoyed or tried my hand at, the main thing about new Videogames espcially in a series be it Street Fighter, KoF, Samurai Shodown, Last Blade, Final Fantasy, or whatever.

The Main thign which should be focused is innovation and the ability to show that you can outdo your previous efforts!

This is what makes most people excited about KoF is that the HOPE that the game will not suck.

The thing is that a LOT of you are just looking at pics and going 'Oh New Neo game! Great Pics! I know I'm owning this!' And NOT HARDLY ONCE HAVE THOSE SAME PEOPLE EVEN GIVING MUCH DEPTH AND THOUGHT TO THE GAMEPLAY, MUSIC OR PRESENTATION AND THAT MINDSET FUCKING STINKS!!

Yeah I'm not normally like this and to be honest I'm a nice guy to deal with in person and real life but I have Zero Tolerance for Bullshit and that's all I'm seeing.

Bullshit!

The thing is from reading over this thread that I'm not the ONLY one who feels like this but I'm the one who's being more fucking vocal about it because it is my God Givin right to speak up when I'm rightly fucking pissed about this shitty art!

The fact that people are saying it wil play like KoF2k1 and the fact that it's fucking hard to find a real neo GAMER in these FUCKING FORUMS outside of people who only collect!

I'm sure some of you 'Play' your games but fucking hell sit down and actually PLAY it and try to learn everything about the game that you possibly can!

9 Years of KoF and Only 2 of them were worth their weight in gold...

Fucking Sad....

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Some of them cost more than their weight in gold.... ;)


Peace

JHendrix

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 10:34 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>

Some of them cost more than their weight in gold.... ;)

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

........heh.....Hahahahahahahahaha. Oh dear god that totally came out of left feild.....

Thanks I needed the laugh.... <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

K9999
09-07-2002, 10:37 PM
Bonus said the word fuck 63 times.

Thats gotta be a rec!

Phoenix Down
09-07-2002, 10:41 PM
That's funny Bonuskun, I don't recall being an asshole about anything. I was merely joking.

I respect your opinion, and I agree about being let down about games, particularly as much as these games cost. I've been playing games for over 20 years myself. I just feel your opinions could have been made without all this yelling and screaming.

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 10:49 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Phoenix Down:
<strong>That's funny Bonuskun, I don't recall being an asshole about anything. I was merely joking.

I respect your opinion, and I agree about being let down about games, particularly as much as these games cost. I've been playing games for over 20 years myself. I just feel your opinions could have been made without all this yelling and screaming.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And do you think some of these thickheaded people here would listen if I didn't get vocal about this shit?

Most people here take half of other people's posts and digest it without even trying to get to the meat of the discussion.

I'm fucking sick of people not listening!

Open your eyes and minds and don't set yourself up for a fall because every time you get hyped about a game, you're only asking to get yourself for a serious let down and I'm tired of people coming back and crying about it when others here *myself inculded* have warned them of possible problems and yet they still don't listen, come back here and cry a fucking river about how let down they were!

Do you see where the hell I'm coming from with this?

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Zeekade Zarathos
09-07-2002, 10:49 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Phoenix Down:
<strong>That's funny Bonuskun, I don't recall being an asshole about anything. I was merely joking.

I respect your opinion, and I agree about being let down about games, particularly as much as these games cost. I've been playing games for over 20 years myself. I just feel your opinions could have been made without all this yelling and screaming.</strong><hr></blockquote>


And we would have respected them more...

Machin Shin
09-07-2002, 10:51 PM
For Bonuskun...
<a href="http://allgames.online.sh.cn/kof/update/down/2002/9/9-7.htm" target="_blank">KOF 2002 beta test page</a>
Ack now, some of the videos there might be dead and maybe the page will die in a couple of days... :D

Viewpoint
09-07-2002, 10:52 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Zeekade Zarathos:
<strong>


And we would have respected them more...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe. Maybe not but I made people stop what the fuck they were doing and actually address this shit.

It's about time too seeing as a some of them usually come back with one lined replies..

vishema
09-07-2002, 11:00 PM
I second Mach shin on that Dereck you should checkout those vids!! <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />

TonK
09-07-2002, 11:04 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

there is seriously something the fuck wrong here!

</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, really? Ya think?

Force
09-08-2002, 12:19 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>
You wanna know where it came from Matt?

Did you honestly expect me to put up with this bullshit for 9 years and not finally be annoyed to all shit over it?

God damn Matt look past the fucking eye candy and collectability of this title and LOOK AT THE GAME!!

People are saying this game is already just like KOF2K1! If that's the truth then there is seriously something the fuck wrong here!


</strong><hr></blockquote>

What bullshit have you "put up with" for 9 years? I've personally enjoyed kof every year. I don't know a soul who doesn't like 98 the most (and this isn't even 9 years old...), but damn, all of them have something cool about them.

I don't see your problem with kof2k1 either. IMO it had one of the best systems in a kof game to date. I wish this dream match would have used strikers like 2k1 (they seemed just right. Not impotent like 99 and not too strong like 2k) and the variable team system. Sure it had lousy BGs, and the music wasn't the best either, but I still like to play it a lot.

And finally, Yes, I am looking at this game. It's going back to 3 on 3 teams, and is pretty good mix of old and new characters. Aside from that, the BGs and in-game character art look impressive.
I don't know how any could think this looks like 2k1 at all. Looks like playmore completely turned it around so old school kof fans would it enjoy this one.

Trieu, I hope that video shows up soon, and I apologize for whoever started this flame war in what should have been an informative thread.

Matt

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Force ]</p>

Sklabah
09-08-2002, 01:09 AM
Two seperate posts in one...

[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>The thing is you're missing is the fact that I've PLAYED THEM ALL!! I think KoF is the best thing SNK ever did outside of Samurai Shodown and they need to keep the tradition of what KoF should be.

I shouldn't have to look at playing KoF 2K1 as a chore but something I like to enjoy!

</strong>(and then)<strong>

9 Years of KoF and Only 2 of them were worth their weight in gold...

Fucking Sad.... :mad:

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can tell you LOVE these games, BK.

Am I paying enough attention to you?

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 01:10 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>

What bullshit have you "put up with" for 9 years? I've personally enjoyed kof every year. I don't know a soul who doesn't like 98 the most (and this isn't even 9 years old...), but damn, all of them have something cool about them. </strong><hr></blockquote>

What have I put up with is all the mental masterbation people are giving this title without even touching it yet.

98 and 2K were the only ones that were worth a fuck in the level of solid gameplay.

[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>I don't see your problem with kof2k1 either. IMO it had one of the best systems in a kof game to date.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is such a crock! Have you actually tried to play it or just admire it?

For god's sake when the hit detection is fucking off and character sprites have clipping issues or fucking end up backwards when you're trying to do a cross up is LAME!

Let's not forget that stupid Kyo infinite on Angel in the corner or how about the Kula Infinte?

That's not a good system. That a fucking piece of shit rush job!

[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>I wish this dream match would have used strikers like 2k1 (they seemed just right.
Not impotent like 99 and not too strong like 2k) and the variable team system. Sure it had lousy BGs, and the music wasn't the best either, but I still like to play it a lot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

[b]2K's Striker system was damn good. It made the game broken as all hell but I can promise you it made it a lot of fun because it turned out that with the 'Active Striker' System in 2K any character could literally dominate the board with little effort.

Personally I'm glad the Striker system is gone even tho I liked it in 2K. It might be possible to actually enjoy a KoF again after the piece of slapped together garbage that KoF 2K1 was.

[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>And finally, Yes, I am looking at this game. It's going back to 3 on 3 teams, and is pretty good mix of old and new characters. Aside from that, the BGs and in-game character art look impressive.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's your opinoin and you're entitled to it as I am mine and I'm telling you the art looks like crap. It looks less crappy than 2K1 did but, It STILL could have been better.

[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>I don't know how any could think this looks like 2k1 at all. Looks like playmore completely turned it around so old school kof fans would it enjoy this one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's because people here inculding Trieu is saying it looks to play like KoF 2K1. You'd better belive me Matt when I say I'm going to fucking break this game.

I'm going to tear it apart and if I find some retarded lame bullshit like last year you can bet your ass I'm going to bitch about it!

[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>Trieu, I hope that video shows up soon, and I apologize for whoever started this flame war in what should have been an informative thread.

Matt</strong><hr></blockquote>

Informative my ass Matt.

This was nothing more than people jerking off on pics when the meat of the game should have been the main focus in the 1st place.

This is thirteen year old hardware so yes it does look dated but SNK proved that even with dated hardware *Mark of the Wolves* their games can look just nearly as good as some of the newer hardware out there.

The Neo*Geo kicks ass but I have been SORLY Dissappointed with the lackluster release of games as of late. <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" />

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Sklabah
09-08-2002, 01:17 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>


This is what makes most people excited about KoF is that the HOPE that the game will not suck.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I'm drooling over how unsucky the game will be!

"Boy, THIS game won't suck! It may not be any good, but who cares! As long as it doesn't SUCK!

<img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

(it's just too fun to stop...)

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 01:25 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Sklabah:
<strong>
Yeah, I'm drooling over how unsucky the game will be!

"Boy, THIS game won't suck! It may not be any good, but who cares! As long as it doesn't SUCK!

<img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

(it's just too fun to stop...)</strong><hr></blockquote>

All I want is a solid fighting game.

Is that too much to ask? I would hope not seeing as this is the 9th game in the series.

Jesus I say lot when I'm fired up but I'm hitting on an issue that a lot of people just don't have the balls to talk about for fear of some kind of retribution.

About the vids i finally looked them over. The Quality is bad but the animation Quality seems to have jumped a lot.

I just hope to god it's not the only thing they focused on!

That would be seriously depressing as all fuck...

Oh and thank you for at least understanding why I'm so fucking pissed...

Sklabah
09-08-2002, 01:27 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

What have I put up with is all the mental masterbation people are giving this title without even touching it yet.

98 and 2K were the only ones that were worth a fuck in the level of solid gameplay.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's because they're touching themselves..?

BTW, have you played it, or are you performing "mental masochism" without even touching it?

How you ever got to 98 with all the suck-ass gameplay 94-97 offered is beyond me...

Sklabah
09-08-2002, 01:31 AM
Hey, BK, I hear ya' (who can't?) :D , I just prefer to be an optomist. That doesn't mean I won't admit if something is disapointing, tho...Like probably most folks here.

Oh well, it's fun to cut loose a bit now and zen.

I do hope you're not disappointed in the end result, but that is, unfortunately, unlikely. We'll see.

Peace, Nas

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 01:32 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Sklabah:
<strong>

That's because they're touching themselves..?

BTW, have you played it, or are you performing "mental masochism" without even touching it?

How you ever got to 98 with all the suck-ass gameplay 94-97 offered is beyond me...</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's called keeping an open mind and giving each game a fair shake!

I've always been like that. I don't praise anything until I play it.

The Art so far has been a serious let down. The Animation now that I've seen it looks a lot better.

No idea on the Music Yet or the Gameplay seeing as those are 2 very important factors to this game.

So far It's 1 to 1 for 2K2. The next parts better score good....

Liq_Wurm
09-08-2002, 01:32 AM
Message to BonusKun:

fuck fuck fuckity fuckfuck what the fuck are you some kind of fuck like really fuck man FUCK! why the fuck do you sound like some fucking fucked up 13 fucking year fucking old on speed. like really fuck man fuck...

did i mention how you are fucked up with the word fuck i mean fuck really what is this fucking fuck. i fucking bet you fucking cant read a fucking word of what i fucking type with all this fucking going on i mean fuck.

7zark7
09-08-2002, 01:35 AM
fuck.

Sklabah
09-08-2002, 01:36 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Liq_Wurm:
<strong>Message to BonusKun:

fuck fuck fuckity fuckfuck what the fuck are you some kind of fuck like really fuck man FUCK! why the fuck do you sound like some fucking fucked up 13 fucking year fucking old on speed. like really fuck man fuck...

did i mention how you are fucked up with the word fuck i mean fuck really what is this fucking fuck. i fucking bet you fucking cant read a fucking word of what i fucking type with all this fucking going on i mean fuck.</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOLOL

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> Man, I was tempted, But BK's alright. He just doesn't want to be hurt again... :p

ShikiMikoto
09-08-2002, 01:36 AM
For the love of god, Playmore, make the game play like BonusKun wants it to so we don't have to deal with this anymore!! <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

Well, quite a battle here, if I may say so...I dunno, you want me to say something deep about the new KoF? Like I have anything in mind? I just wish they fucking re-drew ALL the characters, powered down K9999, do something BETTER than Rugal, and to keep this tradition of KoF alive and not dig it a grave...

K9999
09-08-2002, 01:37 AM
[quote] Originally posted by 7zark7:

fuck.<hr></blockquote>

Beat me to it, fuck.

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 01:37 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Liq_Wurm:
<strong>Message to BonusKun:

fuck fuck fuckity fuckfuck what the fuck are you some kind of fuck like really fuck man FUCK! why the fuck do you sound like some fucking fucked up 13 fucking year fucking old on speed. like really fuck man fuck...

did i mention how you are fucked up with the word fuck i mean fuck really what is this fucking fuck. i fucking bet you fucking cant read a fucking word of what i fucking type with all this fucking going on i mean fuck.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Glad you can fucking read! <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Oh yes and I forgot to add from your sig seeing as I found it funny!

The Capitol was destroyed but, fuck what can ya do? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Force
09-08-2002, 01:38 AM
You're going to put down 2k1 but praise 2k? Dude, you're ill. I hated 2k at first because it reminded me too much of MvC2. But for some reason now I'm taking a liking to it just because of all the different strikers. Not because it's actually a solid fighting game.

I find it funny you want to talk about 2k1's infinates, but you totally ignore all the crap in 2k. In fact, you want to say it's more fun. WHy? because anyone can pick a joe striker and dominate with any character? Yah, that's a real well done system :rolleyes:

And you can "break" kof2k2 all you want. People will enjoy what they enjoy, and the only thing your little rants will accomplish is making you look silly.

Matt

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Force ]</p>

Tetsuo311
09-08-2002, 01:38 AM
It looks like the best KOF Game in the Series. I just hope it plays half as good as it looks :)

Sklabah
09-08-2002, 01:39 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

It's called keeping an open mind and giving each game a fair shake!

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dude! A "fair shake" and "mental masturbation"...Did you do that on purpose?

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 01:49 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>You're going to put down 2k1 but praise 2k? Dude, you're ill. I hated 2k at first because it reminded me too much of MvC2. But for some reason now I'm taking a liking to it just because of all the different strikers. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm ill? Why don't you address that broken ass gameplay issues I pointed out with 2k1?

[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>I find it funny you want to talk about 2k1's infinates, but you totally ignore all the crap in 2k. In fact, you want to say it's more fun. WHy? because anyone can pick a joe striker and dominate with any character? Yah, that's a real well done system :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hahahahahaha man you really need to sit down replay that game again Matt.

Anyone who's played KoF2K worth a lick knows you can own Joe Striker any time of the day by simply picking Seth. Seth is invincible on start up and can counter Joe Striker any day of the week for free.

A real good KoF 2K player fears Dong Hwan Striker more than Joe!

[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>
And you can "break" kof2k2 all you want. People will enjoy what they enjoy, and the only thing your little rants will accomplish is making you look silly.

Matt</strong><hr></blockquote>

Again that's your opionon Matt and I have mine. If anyone is looking silly right now it's you for talking about 2K by basing an arguement off Joe Striker when the good players out there don't even touch him!

You want to show me up Matt then put up or shut up.

Tell me how you play KoF 2K1 on Level 8 Vs say Zero.

This isn't a human opponet granted but I'd like to see how you handle him seeing as some people find him hard when I found him boring and stupid!

Sklabah
09-08-2002, 01:54 AM
In Force's defense, I read a "joe striker" as like an average or everyday striker, like "joe somebody". More a figure of speech...?

But, I'm sure he'll say what he needs to, so I'll go to bed now...g'night, all!

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 02:06 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Sklabah:
<strong>In Force's defense, I read a "joe striker" as like an average or everyday striker, like "joe somebody". More a figure of speech...?

But, I'm sure he'll say what he needs to, so I'll go to bed now...g'night, all!</strong><hr></blockquote>


Originally it used to be that way until people learned how to deal with Joe.

If anyone picks Joe as a Sriker you can be promised that the other player with Pick Seth in a New York minute.

This of course makes people start to break out and do some real intresting stuff within the game in the name of combos.

So far 2K2 Looks good in animation but the Art style is ass. If the gameplay is just as good as the animation then i will praise this to all ends.

TRIEUMINATOR
09-08-2002, 02:08 AM
Yes Bonus, you are right on the fact that people hype up certain games, but when I post something here, it's because I'm excited about the game(s).

Whether it's my Price Guide or games that I post news of, it's because I truly love this hobby, not because I have some "alterior motive" to hype up the game or prices of games as some would say. Those who don't believe me can kiss my ass.

Getting NEO info is hard work and call me crazy, but I've taken many days off work to gather SNK info from all sources, so it goes to show that I'm into the Neo knee deep.

@Bonus: understand that games are of a personal preference. No matter how much you or anyone says that KOF2K1 sucks, I and many others will still like it. This may sound silly to some, but I think Breakers Revenge is far superior to MOTW in terms of gameplay. MOTW is not as responsive as Breakers and the combos on Breakers are so much more fluid and not sluggish. Will many agree with me? Of course not, but that's my preference and pretty much, that's all that counts to me.

As for the video update, the footage has been converted to MPEG, however, my roommate (the whiz behind all of this) is testing different compression ratios to make the quality top notch without making the file too large to download. At this point, it's running at about 97 MEGS in MPEG format, which is for 18 full minutes of video. YES, the complete video itself, but don't worry, it will be divided into 10 segments for download, so the average file will be about 10 Megs tops. Those with DSL/Cable Modem will breeze, while the 56K users will beg their parents for broadband for Christmas. Sorry, but I wanted to keep the quality as nice as possible.

Daisuke Jigen
09-08-2002, 02:14 AM
[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>Yes Bonus, you are right on the fact that people hype up certain games, but when I post something here, it's because I'm excited about the game(s).

Whether it's my Price Guide or games that I post news of, it's because I truly love this hobby, not because I have some "alterior motive" to hype up the game or prices of games as some would say. Those who don't believe me can kiss my ass.

Getting NEO info is hard work and call me crazy, but I've taken many days off work to gather SNK info from all sources, so it goes to show that I'm into the Neo knee deep.

@Bonus: understand that games are of a personal preference. No matter how much you or anyone says that KOF2K1 sucks, I and many others will still like it. This may sound silly to some, but I think Breakers Revenge is far superior to MOTW in terms of gameplay. MOTW is not as responsive as Breakers and the combos on Breakers are so much more fluid and not sluggish. Will many agree with me? Of course not, but that's my preference and pretty much, that's all that counts to me.

As for the video update, the footage has been converted to MPEG, however, my roommate (the whiz behind all of this) is testing different compression ratios to make the quality top notch without making the file too large to download. At this point, it's running at about 97 MEGS in MPEG format, which is for 18 full minutes of video. YES, the complete video itself, but don't worry, it will be divided into 10 segments for download, so the average file will be about 10 Megs tops. Those with DSL/Cable Modem will breeze, while the 56K users will beg their parents for broadband for Christmas. Sorry, but I wanted to keep the quality as nice as possible.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can I have the 97 MB video in IRC?

TRIEUMINATOR
09-08-2002, 02:27 AM
DJ,

Initially, it was about 450 Megs for a 640 X 480 screen, which looks fantastic, but obviously, that is just too much for anyone to download. :)

My roommate is converting it as we speak, so when it's done, it'll be about 97 megs. Sure, you can have it in IRC, but I have no idea what my IRC account is. Do you know it? I signed up back when I asked you months ago.

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 02:27 AM
[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>Yes Bonus, you are right on the fact that people hype up certain games, but when I post something here, it's because I'm excited about the game(s).</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Hype needs to stop. It seriously does. Because it ends up with people making up shit about new games and that's the problem that a lot of people have. They make up shit as they go and it's stupid as all hell.

And No I'm not referring to you Vihn. Those people out there know who the fuck they are.

[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>Whether it's my Price Guide or games that I post news of, it's because I truly love this hobby, not because I have some "alterior motive" to hype up the game or prices of games as some would say. Those who don't believe me can kiss my ass.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I never accused you of any kind of shit and to be honest I actually spoke in favor of your work with the guide or did you forget that?

[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>Getting NEO info is hard work and call me crazy, but I've taken many days off work to gather SNK info from all sources, so it goes to show that I'm into the Neo knee deep.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I just hope you get into the Game as Knee deep as your Love of the Neo is. I'm serious when I say that I want SOLID answers and not some lame ass fluffing!

[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>@Bonus: understand that games are of a personal preference. No matter how much you or anyone says that KOF2K1 sucks, I and many others will still like it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's right I've been saying it sucks and people are giving me shit on it even tho I don't give them shit on what they like unless they seem excited enough to defend their love of the game by attacking my ass 1st!

Personally KoF 2K1 is a piece of shit. That's my opinion, I've been saying it since page oone and I'm saying it again on page 5. If some people don't like my opinion then they can kiss MY ass!!!

[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>This may sound silly to some, but I think Breakers Revenge is far superior to MOTW in terms of gameplay.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually I agree to this 100% so what's the issue here?

[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>MOTW is not as responsive as Breakers and the combos on Breakers are so much more fluid and not sluggish. Will many agree with me? Of course not, but that's my preference and pretty much, that's all that counts to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's called an opinion and I respect yours so I don't see a fucking problem here!

What? Am I supposed to play nice nice when all I see is shit so far outside of good animation?

[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>As for the video update, the footage has been converted to MPEG, however, my roommate (the whiz behind all of this) is testing different compression ratios to make the quality top notch without making the file too large to download. At this point, it's running at about 97 MEGS in MPEG format, which is for 18 full minutes of video. YES, the complete video itself, but don't worry, it will be divided into 10 segments for download, so the average file will be about 10 Megs tops. Those with DSL/Cable Modem will breeze, while the 56K users will beg their parents for broadband for Christmas. Sorry, but I wanted to keep the quality as nice as possible.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which I'm thankful for. I'm seriously hoping to check this video out and speak my damn mind on the issue.

I will say this, Thank you for posting the pics but that was a very sad thing for me to see when people honestly focused on only that and didn't even consider the issue that the gameplay might not be up to par....

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

TRIEUMINATOR
09-08-2002, 02:33 AM
Bonus,

Well, we'll wait for the video and we'll discuss it, but I don't think there will be solid evidence until I can play the game. A video shows the animation, but does not show give you an idea of how responsive it is.

I was very excited to see no strikers, so that's a big plus. I'm not hyping the game, but I really think it looks good and when I first saw the video, the first game I thought of was KOF '98.

The drama the Neo brings before each Neo release just keeps on astonishing me. I love it.

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 02:36 AM
[quote]Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>Bonus,

Well, we'll wait for the video and we'll discuss it, but I don't think there will be solid evidence until I can play the game. A video shows the animation, but does not show give you an idea of how responsive it is.

I was very excited to see no strikers, so that's a big plus. I'm not hyping the game, but I really think it looks good and when I first saw the video, the first game I thought of was KOF '98.

The drama the Neo brings before each Neo release just keeps on astonishing me. I love it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What do you expect from a system that has outlasted the test of time?

I love my games, I play my games, I learn my games. I don't just buy Neo Games to leave em on a shelf.

I've met quite a few Neo owners out there who I take a go at with games and they honestly give me props for showing them shit they never have seen before.

I don't feel bad about them not knowing but I think that after I started showing someone the stupid Samurai Shodown IV Dial Combos, that i had reached a level of sadness because this is something I honestly feel that people should have known on their own.

That stupid String combo is in the manual for fuck's sake!!!

Loopz
09-08-2002, 03:44 AM
GAW-damn, this thread grew faster than my man-tent at a strip club...

All I can say is that I very much understand where BK is coming from. I took a lot of the same heat when I criticized Slug 4. If you really care, and love the hell out of your games, it's tough to see these pretenders to the throne pass off sad-looking recycled shit under the banner of the dead SNK as the real thing.
The people firing off at BK here are primarily either newcomers to the Neo who just don't get the fundamental difference between the classics and the new shit being passed off, or the usual spate of collector fucks who just want ONE MORE SPINE to cover in lucite and beat off to. I'll admit, part of me would love to see KOF2K2 come out and recapture some of that old magic. Logic tells a radically different story...I blew a shitload of coin last May trying to get into KOF2K1 in Cali and goddamn, it JUST WASNT THERE. I'd honestly have to say fighting games are in serious decline overall...I myself would have to say that I pine for the mid-90's when Samurai Shodown, Vampire series, Street Fighter, and KOF were in their prime. 1993-1998 was like the Golden Era of Fighters, and all we've really gotten that's worth a shit since is SF3:3rd and Soul Calibur. VF4 is really the only thing that floats my boat these days besides the aformentioned Neo and Capcom classics.
Here's to better days....

KOF '98 is still, far and away, the class of the series. Saying otherwise makes you look VERY foolish. Bow down, suckas. <img src="graemlins/makeface.gif" border="0" alt="[Make Face]" />

ray_7
09-08-2002, 04:06 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen:
<strong>

Can I have the 97 MB video in IRC?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I want it too. LMK when you got it Jigen!

Kid Aphex
09-08-2002, 04:20 AM
Sometimes when reading through the posts of the 'older, more experienced' members of this board, i wonder if being an elitist, ignorant prick is part of the neo-geo scene?

tri---thanks a lot for these videos. we all really appreciate it.


peace,
ray

Daisuke Jigen
09-08-2002, 04:56 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>Sometimes when reading through the posts of the 'older, more experienced' members of this board, i wonder if being an elitist, ignorant prick is part of the neo-geo scene?

tri---thanks a lot for these videos. we all really appreciate it.


peace,
ray</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sometimes when I read your posts, I get the feeling that if someone does not agree with you, you pass them off as morons, or retards.

Say what you want about Derek, but you can come across as a completly arrogant asshole yourself.

I'm just telling you that. No hostility.

SNKFreak
09-08-2002, 05:43 AM
Go easy on him Jig... sheesh... :D

No.. wait... "No hostility." Damn you! Pacifist fuck!

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: SNKFreak ]</p>

dfx
09-08-2002, 06:39 AM
play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!

Mike
09-08-2002, 11:37 AM
[quote]I love my games, I play my games, I learn my games. I don't just buy Neo Games to leave em on a shelf.

<hr></blockquote>

The true difference between a gamer and a collector.

I am happy to say that I am now on that level. I don't buy a neo game until I have LEARNED the previous one.

I used to buy games and leave 'em on the shelf. Then I felt like an asshole.

All these great games, and I don't know how to play worth a shit...good thing I paid $5632456 for them huh?

SO I started over.

Thanks Bonus.

Giga Power
09-08-2002, 11:44 AM
I hope this clip has Angel's new win poses!

yagamikun
09-08-2002, 11:52 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Mike:
<strong>

The true difference between a gamer and a collector.

I am happy to say that I am now on that level. I don't buy a neo game until I have LEARNED the previous one.

I used to buy games and leave 'em on the shelf. Then I felt like an asshole.

All these great games, and I don't know how to play worth a shit...good thing I paid $5632456 for them huh?

SO I started over.

Thanks Bonus.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats what I've always said. Why buy games just to say you have them? There was this kid I knew that live up in Columbus...he had every rare thing that you could imagine...even up to every single turbo duo unit made and Castlevania X68000...although he didnt have an X68000 to play it on. It was kinda sad, he spent a good chunk of his money for college on all of this "stuff" that he never palyed and didnt know how to play. I say, "what ever blows your hair back" but I also say, "what a waist of money if your not gonna play any of it to get some use out of the 20,000 bucks you just spent!". Long live the neo and the people who actual care about playing the games!

cgun
09-08-2002, 11:57 AM
Í have alot of games that i dont play so often. But i like it that way. Sometimes i just got boreds with some games and put them in the shelf. The i get very happy when i can pick them up after a month or so and play agian. I have a big proplem selling stuff. I canīt sell stuff that i like...

Mostly my CD-games (any cd-system) sits on the shelf but my cart games gets played all the time. Just plug and play, no loading times, splash screens or long intros. Thats why i love my AES.

Tadaima
09-08-2002, 02:13 PM
[quote]Originally posted by dfx:
<strong>play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!</strong><hr></blockquote>

*claps hands*

I couldn't agree more.

Hidden Character
09-08-2002, 03:00 PM
Those're some great pics. I'm already hyped about the game from just seeing the stages! It's gonna be a good year after all. :D

Amix
09-08-2002, 03:48 PM
I don't know why I read this entire thread. Maybe because I enjoyed playing PSO with Bonuskun and was surprised he want crazy, or maybe because I'm at work and there nothing to do. Either way, my thoughts:

I've always enjoyed how eccentric SNK gamers can be; their colorful language and obsession of the most sublte inclusions are mystifying. Anywho, a simple question, directed towards BK; however, any peep can answer if they're bored:

This animosity towards the KOF series after '98 - and I don't want to come off flippant - buy why bother? This is a product, like so many other things out there, and the best way for a company to realize their product sucks is not to buy it. Maybe somewhere amongst the bold type you stated that you did not own 2K1, but it appears that you do - or you wouldn't be so pissed. Or would you? I personally can't stand Marvel VS Capcom 2; yes I get some cheap thrills off it, but I don't understand why some gamers consider it God. Do I get pissed at Capcom? Do I get pissed at the gamers? Or do I just not play it and hope the next VS game won't suck so much shit? I prefer the latter. What I'm getting at is this: Let this new school KoFers (or old even) enjoy what KOF has become. I don't particulary care for KOF post '98, though I can't say I didn't have some fun with the titles. But your ranting seems to be falling on deaf ears, and though I admire your stance - and logically so, it does make sense - in the big picture it won't matter because A.) People seem to play and buy KoF titles regardless if they even like them and B.) Um, I guess there isn't a B. As long as peeps keep shelling out the quarters for KoF I don't think Playmore cares too much about how the game is received. Now, you and I can go back and enjoy some '97 (my personal fave), or watch the sheep get herded.

And on a side note: My copy of PSO for GC arrives Friday. You game?

ShikiMikoto
09-08-2002, 03:55 PM
hey didn't you see that clip...I think it was 30 or 31...she [Angel] looks as if she's topless!

Amix
09-08-2002, 04:12 PM
Yes, that is very exciting. Please, take my money.

Shin Guile X
09-08-2002, 04:16 PM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong>hey didn't you see that clip...I think it was 30 or 31...she [Angel] looks as if she's topless!</strong><hr></blockquote>

All I can say is WOW! So far the backgrounds look great and Angel strips for us!! Can't wait to play it!!

shin-kyo
09-08-2002, 04:18 PM
I totally agree with BonusKun. I'm much like him,

I LOVE KOF, it's the game I play games for.

I've felt that KOF has dropped off since 2K, maybe because the death of SNK is also synonymous with the death of KOF.
From 94 -&gt; 98 the game keep evoluting to a very solid and now classic system.
99-2000 was to modify it in an effort to keep it from becoming stale.. you must admit.. if SNK just keep changing characters but left the game engine the same there wouldn't be much to learn each year.

So in a way KOF has always been slightly better each year.
98 "perfection by most people's standards"
99 introduction of the armor/counter and striker systems.. an interesting change.
2000 perfection of active striker system along with armor/counter being more powerful modes (This is KOF's over the top version to compete with the versus games)

With 2K1 I was already pessimistic because it wouldn't have been SNK who changed it.
and sofar what i've seen (direct comparison with 2000 as it is the last OFFICIAL SNK KOF GAME) there are very few good additions.

lets count the bad first:
Music sucks compared to 2000
InGame art sucks compared to 2000
New characters suck (in design or number of new ones)
2k1:
K9999, Angel, May Lee, Foxy (not really real)
2K:
Kula, Vanessa, Seth, Ramon, Lin, Hinako

Presentation sucks in comparison to 2000
Story sucks in comparison to 2000 (at least 2000 mentioned south town, whereas 2001 is some "godwannabe" type character)

2K1 was for me the test for Eolith/Brezza, they failed.
2K1 is only better than 2000 in the sense that the strikers have been toned down.
they removed the modes, which are very used when used correctly. But then again its only a good thing to people who didn't know how to use the strikers. (Its pretty much proven that people don't like what they don't know or don't know how to use)
Not only that.. 2K and 2K1 don't even play similarly.
2K is very combo based, over the top, and flashy. (my interpretation of the active striker system)
2K1 is not.

so beside strikers being tone what else is better?
lots of characters have gotten weaker.. is that better? (not in my opinion, they should have strengthened others instead.. its the same mentality as the original Capcom vs SNK.. did you like the SNK characters there..?? thought so)

just one example..
Kyo
2K:
2 new moves from hcb+k, both with different uses, new super used differently then 99 version as 2K version is anti-air, new (worthless) D..
Iori: new (worthless) super

2K1:
new looking follow ups without new properties (oh big whoop), looses his cool looking (but useful) 2K super for a lame looking (iori copying) uncomboable grab (i thought Kyo was a combo machine type character) which is sdm only. Not only that but

THEY TOOK AWAY HIS AUTOGUARD

This is not Kyo anymore then.. might as well be
Kyo3

What i've always like about Kyo is that he gets new moves that makes him play slightly differently every year or year after..

Comparing NG.com to ON.com, its obvious where most of the KOF players are.

Alot of NG.comers seem to jizz over almost every new NG game..
The sad thing for me now.. is that it seems like I'm just hanging on to KOF "hoping that this year will NOT suck."
Whereas before I was looking towards next year changes.

Remember if SNK had made 2K1, K' would be drastically different today.
Remember at the end of 2000 he ripped of his glove.

I still wonder what it could have been...

<img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" /> :(

cgun
09-08-2002, 04:46 PM
Shin-Kyo &gt; Did you notice that about 99% of what you just mentioned is your own thoughts, and there is a possibilty that other persons may have other thought about it?

It is no fact that the presentation is worse or better and so on, itīs just an oppinion. Go play your favorite KOF and save 300$.

Iīm glad that the neogeo is still alive. And on thing that really is a fact is that eolith, brezza and thoose other new teams is built up with people previously working for SNK.

Kid Aphex
09-08-2002, 04:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by cgun:
<strong>Shin-Kyo &gt; Did you notice that about 99% of what you just mentioned is your own thoughts, and there is a possibilty that other persons may have other thought about it?

It is no fact that the presentation is worse or better and so on, itīs just an oppinion. Go play your favorite KOF and save 300$.

Iīm glad that the neogeo is still alive. And on thing that really is a fact is that eolith, brezza and thoose other new teams is built up with people previously working for SNK.</strong><hr></blockquote>

you're a genius.
finally someone else realizes their opinion isn't the be all end all.

long live swedes,
ray

Giga Power
09-08-2002, 06:28 PM
I want that video!!!!!
*dances like a lunatic*

psx2000
09-08-2002, 06:35 PM
I got a question, how was he running that game on the a tv?


Im guessing it was the !Arcade! convertor but I could be wrong.

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: psx2000 ]</p>

Daisuke Jigen
09-08-2002, 08:02 PM
Trieuminator. Check your PMs.

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 08:55 PM
Aight it seems some people here still need talking to so let's address shall we?

[quote]Sometimes when reading through the posts of the 'older, more experienced' members of this board, i wonder if being an elitist, ignorant prick is part of the neo-geo scene?<hr></blockquote>

Now coming from someone who was already shown that you're just as arrogant as a more experienced member, you're one to talk.

And 2ndly I don't give a Fuuuuuuuck about how long I've been here, That don't mean shit to me and it shoudln't mean shit to anyone else. You could be a fucking uber n00b out of a breadbasket and still know what the fuck you're talking about.

So don't throw my member # in my face because I am the last motherfucker that would even remotly care about it!

[quote]play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!play before you judge!<hr></blockquote>

demand quality shit instead of garbage! demand quality shit instead of garbage! demand quality shit instead of garbage! demand quality shit instead of garbage! ect, ect, ect, e-fucking-ct!


[quote]The true difference between a gamer and a collector.

I am happy to say that I am now on that level. I don't buy a neo game until I have LEARNED the previous one.

I used to buy games and leave 'em on the shelf. Then I felt like an asshole.

All these great games, and I don't know how to play worth a shit...good thing I paid $5632456 for them huh?

SO I started over.

Thanks Bonus. <hr></blockquote>

And I bet in the end you feel the money you spent was worth more now than it was before. You can't take these games with you when you're 6 feet under so why buy something you'll never touch?

[quote]Thats what I've always said. Why buy games just to say you have them? There was this kid I knew that live up in Columbus...he had every rare thing that you could imagine...even up to every single turbo duo unit made and Castlevania X68000...although he didnt have an X68000 to play it on. It was kinda sad, he spent a good chunk of his money for college on all of this "stuff" that he never palyed and didnt know how to play. I say, "what ever blows your hair back" but I also say, "what a waist of money if your not gonna play any of it to get some use out of the 20,000 bucks you just spent!". Long live the neo and the people who actual care about playing the games!<hr></blockquote>

Then all I can say about that dude is he's one sad motherfucker and I hope he goes broke on being a dumbass!

[quote] have alot of games that i dont play so often. But i like it that way. Sometimes i just got boreds with some games and put them in the shelf. The i get very happy when i can pick them up after a month or so and play agian. I have a big proplem selling stuff. I canīt sell stuff that i like...<hr></blockquote>

It shouldn't fucking be like that man. If you spend your hard earned cash on a fucking game then make the time to fucking play it! I'm not saying that you should take sessions each and every day but each time you sit down to play your shit find something new or exciting that you personally think is worth a fuck.

Also never sell the shit you like, if people don't like the shit you like then don't worry about it, it's their opinion and you have yours.

[quote]Those're some great pics. I'm already hyped about the game from just seeing the stages! It's gonna be a good year after all.<hr></blockquote>

The stages don't make all of the fucking game.

[quote]This animosity towards the KOF series after '98 - and I don't want to come off flippant - buy why bother?<hr></blockquote>

Because each KoF ever since 94 was able to improve on itself and thus make a better game for players to enjoy. Let's break this shit down shall we?

The King of Fighters 1994 - One of the 1st Arcade games to introduce 3 on 3 *Team Battle System*TBS for short. Game was decent and had some control issues but it was something new and it was a lot of fun

The King of Fighters 1995 - Hold shit upped animation, New bitchin stages that were made for each team and OMG OMG OMG TEAM EDIT!

This alone made 95 worth it for being able to make your own fucking teams. That and Eiji was a pimp but sadly only me and Fran seem to be the only motherfuckers here that see that shit.

The King of Fighters 1996 - character sprites were redone again, game was tweaked up from 95 and damage level was seriously toned down from 95 where you only needed to do a bullshit nasty combo like with Ryo jumping D, Standing C, HCF+C, DP+A, ooo look at that shit 85% of your life gone. *mid air wank* Also 96 gets props for Geese.

The King of Fighters 1997 - Another game that was a lot better than the previos year, introduced the Orochi New Face team which even tho they sucked *Shermie inculded* they add a new flavor to the game, along with this the game had a slight bit more balance even tho the Iori infinite was fucking gay! Oh yes and this title has some MASSIVE slowdown issues!

The King of Fighters 1998 - Wow Kof 97 again? Woah wait a sec. No Slowdown, game is balanced, Orochi Team doesn't suck? Glitchs in the game arn't worth doing?

Holy fucking christ this is fucking heaven! Oh wait Rugal is back. There is a god and he's pimp!

The King of Fighters 1999 - Hmm ain't this interesting. The game now offers counter mode and armor mode and there are strikers? Ok this is weird but let's see. Oh fuck who this's K Dash fucker? Holy shit! He sports a new set of combos and his foward+A actually is fucking sweeet!

The Strikers tho. Hmm these arn't too bad and you literally have to set people up to be able to fucking make your shit connect!

The King of Fighters 2000 - Holy fuck the art is fucking gorgeous! Wait a sec what's the Joe Striker bullshit?

Oh wait I can Pick Seth and own Joe for free! well that takes care of that whiny scrubby bullshit!

OMG Kyo's delay in the Orochinagi is gone hello juggle setups again! Bitchin new SDM too lookin like he can seriously bitchslap a fucker into new week! Oh wait let's not forget Dong Hwan, GOD DAMN he fucking owns in this game, He comes in fucking fast and he leaves just as quick for an instant recall?!?!

Omg and this shit actually takes a semblance of skill to do?

Wow a real fighting game! Not as good as '98 mind you but it will do!

The King of Fighters 2001 - Ok SNK is long gone and now Eolith has their hands in this shit. Let's give em a chance........Oh god the character select art looks like shit. half these characters look like they are on fucking crack and what's up with hinaku's lips?!?!

Did she sucks too much chrome or something that year?

Jesus H Christ. What's up with this music? The only tracks that seem to have some inspiration are Zero's and Ignuz's Stages and speaking of stages why is shit looking washed up to all fuck and there are no stages that are team related?

OMG what is this shit?!?!?!?!

You have a set of stupid UBER easy Infintes in this game using Kyo & Kula WITHOUT fucking STRIKERS?

Oh that is beyond Gay!

Oh fuck I just tried to do some cross up and my character sprites got flipped the wrong way? And what the hell happened with the hit detection here? It's all twisted and out of shape worse than a hardon in a jockstrap!!! God and I paid good money for this shit?!?!? What a RIP!

[quote]you're a genius.
finally someone else realizes their opinion isn't the be all end all.

long live swedes,
ray<hr></blockquote>

And coming from someone who bashes Korea considering this is the place KoF2K1 & 2K2 are coming from....

Bah I made my points. I don't give too much of a fuck anymore seeing as some people finally listened to some bluntness while some of you bitches just cried about it.

Play what you like but don't expect every motherfucker out there to like the same shit you do!

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Caris Nautilus
09-08-2002, 09:37 PM
woh he said cock teasing

aria
09-08-2002, 09:41 PM
Bonus, at the rate you're going I'd swear that someone at Capcom has jacked your account to shoot this Neo title down.

All it is a promo video that Triu want's to put up. Hey, if the game sucks the game sucks. I know Triu -and he's a good guy who's into his hobby and a fair dealer.

If you really hate the recent editions of the series as much as you say you do, well great -but let's not go on a one man crusade to steer this thread into "Why KOF2k2 will Probably suck." Make another thread. You jumped into this one so hell bent on making a point that you're ruining what amounts to a pure, innocent desire to share.

Triu isn't Eolith, so let's not put a torch to the messenger.

If you're just fed up with the cyclical nature of the Neo Scene, well -that's how its always been, and that's almost certainly how it's going to be. It does suck sometimes, but that's the nature of the beast:

If people didn't get excited over new releases, the Neo would finally die out.

Anyway. Lets try and keep this thread a little more on topic. Bonuskun has made his point, let's both sides of that particular sub-plot please let it rest.

Thank you.

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 09:54 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>Bonus, at the rate you're going I'd swear that someone at Capcom has jacked your account to shoot this Neo title down.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No really ya think? :D

[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>All it is a promo video that Triu want's to put up. Hey, if the game sucks the game sucks. I know Triu -and he's a good guy who's into his hobby and a fair dealer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But Triu didn't program 2K1 or 2K2 so what does that have to do anything and since when do I have to agree with the majority when last year's installment was a waste of time!!

[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>If you really hate the recent editions of the series as much as you say you do, well great -but let's not go on a one man crusade to steer this thread into "Why KOF2k2 will Probably suck."</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh suure Bobak and then get all sorts of homo-erotic bullshit thrown my way *like it already hasn't been*

If you'd actually READ my posts sir you'd see I have a serious set of valid poitns and I have every right to be fucking pissed about this seeing as I spent my MONEY On it last year and it's coming again from the same people!!!

[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>Make another thread. You jumped into this one so hell bent on making a point that you're ruining what amounts to a pure, innocent desire to share.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like the time you jumped into that hellbent thread by accusing TOOL of sending you an email virus?!?!?!!?

You've gotten your limits pushed also so don't even act like you haven't gone there!

[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>Triu isn't Eolith, so let's not put a torch to the messenger.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Again read my fucking posts Bobak and don't assume shit! Was I jumping on fucking Vihn? Was I saying 'VIHN YOU SUCK DONKEY BALLS OR VIHN YOU'RE AN ANAL SPELUNKER?!?!'

NO I WASN'T ! DON'T ACCUSE ME OF SHIT UNLESS I'M ACTUALLY DOING IT!!

[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>If you're just fed up with the cyclical nature of the Neo Scene, well -that's how its always been, and that's almost certainly how it's going to be. It does suck sometimes, but that's the nature of the beast:.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What the hell are you talking about Bobak!!

Did I say I was fed up with the Neo Scene?

I'm talking about the pice of shit that KoF2K1 was and the fact people are already saying that The King of Fighters 2K2 is already looking to be just like KoF2K1 in terms of gameplay!!

READ WHAT I'M BITCHING ABOUT AND DON'T ASSUME YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT'S ON MY MIND!!

[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>If people didn't get excited over new releases, the Neo would finally die out</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is such a load of crap. People can get fuckign excited all they want but that doesn't mean people should pay their hard earned money for LESS QUALITY GAMES!

[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>Anyway. Lets try and keep this thread a little more on topic. Bonuskun has made his point, let's both sides of that particular sub-plot please let it rest.

Thank you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apparently my point didn't sink into your skull because you didn't read jack shit what i said and jumped the fucking gun to assume the worse!

Read my points about the game instead of just playing a polotican!!! <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" />

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Giga Power
09-08-2002, 09:55 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>Bonus, at the rate you're going I'd swear that someone at Capcom has jacked your account to shoot this Neo title down.

All it is a promo video that Triu want's to put up. Hey, if the game sucks the game sucks. I know Triu -and he's a good guy who's into his hobby and a fair dealer.

If you really hate the recent editions of the series as much as you say you do, well great -but let's not go on a one man crusade to steer this thread into "Why KOF2k2 will Probably suck." Make another thread. You jumped into this one so hell bent on making a point that you're ruining what amounts to a pure, innocent desire to share.

Triu isn't Eolith, so let's not put a torch to the messenger.

If you're just fed up with the cyclical nature of the Neo Scene, well -that's how its always been, and that's almost certainly how it's going to be. It does suck sometimes, but that's the nature of the beast:

If people didn't get excited over new releases, the Neo would finally die out.

Anyway. Lets try and keep this thread a little more on topic. Bonuskun has made his point, let's both sides of that particular sub-plot please let it rest.

Thank you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No one could have said it better! Good to see you back and posting Bobak!

TRIEUMINATOR
09-08-2002, 09:59 PM
Thanks Bobak for softening the thread.

The video is being worked right now. I have to email it to Shawn first and he'll post it up for everyone to download.

Sorry it took so long. Just got home from work. :)

ShikiMikoto
09-08-2002, 10:04 PM
Jeez, can ANYONE calm BonusKun down? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 10:06 PM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong>Jeez, can ANYONE calm BonusKun down? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh I'm perfectly fine. Just don't fucking give me shit and I won't do the same to you either.

You get in my face and I'll step right the fuck back in yours. I'm only an asshole to people who jump my shit 1st.... <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Giga Power
09-08-2002, 10:07 PM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong>Jeez, can ANYONE calm BonusKun down? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sadly where he's gone. I don't think there is any turning back. He's reached the highest level of pisstivity possible!

JHendrix
09-08-2002, 10:08 PM
Can anyone point me to the link where I can see this movie?

Peace

JHendrix

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 10:11 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Giga Power:
<strong>

Sadly where he's gone. I don't think there is any turning back. He's reached the highest level of pisstivity possible!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Pisstivity....Is that even a word? <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" />

Giga Power
09-08-2002, 10:13 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

Pisstivity....Is that even a word? <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Haha, just between you and me.....


No.

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 10:16 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Giga Power:
<strong>

Haha, just between you and me.....


No.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Damn. I rather liked it too.... <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

ShikiMikoto
09-08-2002, 10:40 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>Can anyone point me to the link where I can see this movie?

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

Trieuminator hasn't made it yet, I think...he hasn't said so...

rarehero
09-08-2002, 10:47 PM
heh.
anyways.
i m getting 2002 for yama and vice and mature.
i love the 96 yagami team.
and they were just cool as hell in 98.
so whats this gonna cost?
350?
<img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 10:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by rarehero:
<strong>heh.
anyways.
i m getting 2002 for yama and vice and mature.
i love the 96 yagami team.
and they were just cool as hell in 98.
so whats this gonna cost?
350?
<img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

For the record rare. Your avatar scares the shit out of me.... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

Liq_Wurm
09-08-2002, 11:08 PM
page 6 has too much reading i thjink i will wait til page 7 to continue

wow i just made it page 7
luccccckkkyyyyyyy

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Liq_Wurm ]</p>

Viewpoint
09-08-2002, 11:12 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Liq_Wurm:
<strong>page 6 has too much reading i thjink i will wait til page 7 to continue

wow i just made it page 7
luccccckkkyyyyyyy

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Liq_Wurm ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

fuck. <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

TRIEUMINATOR
09-08-2002, 11:23 PM
Here's the update guys:

The video capture had some frame glitches in them, so we had to recapture the video a few times to get it right.

This is going to have to be finished up tomorrow. I still have to upload it to Shawn, which takes a few hours and then he has to post it.

I know you guys are eager and when said and done, I think you guys will enjoy this. Eye candy at it's best.

And to forewarn you, the 18 minute video includes the ending of the game too, so if anyone who doesn't want to see the ending, I have given you guys heads up.

LWK
09-08-2002, 11:32 PM
I would appreciate it if you could cut the ending out. I think it will have a drastic effect on the surprise of beating it. It would also be cool to not see the final boss, as thats always a much better treat when you see if for the first time in the cades.

My opinion.

rarehero
09-08-2002, 11:33 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

For the record rare. Your avatar scares the shit out of me.... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

i thought it was kinda neat
i got bored of other people having my other yama
ava so this one is super.
it was either this or joe with the big foot ;)
http://akirayoshi.home.mindspring.com/IMAGES/NGFlast.jpg

as for 2002 i hope it plays good.
i really wasnt into 2001.
i can realize SNKs problem because people are always
bitching that theres not enough inovations and
improvements in the game.
i ve always felt that if it ain't broke then don't fix it.
i really hope that 2002 makes a return to the gameplay in 98
but i can only hope.
from what i read around here it must be me.
but 2001 had all kinds of problems.
it didnt seem solid. not balanced anyways.
its ugly how much better iori and k' are over everyone else.
i got beat by a guy that used iori by himself
i submit. yea i got beat.
he was better but it was just pretty weak i thought.
if i get beat by one guy it might as well be without
some ratio.
i could stand getting beat in 98. because i know
you have to be dam good to beat me in it, and its dam sharp
about how the game plays.
but 2002.
its a joke.
i play it with my friend inbetween sf3 ts
with 1 player ratios on player ratio.
its a joke.
and its almost fun.
just because its funny.
but whatever.
some of the videos look strange.
like lk lk lk wp super for takuma in one of those
<a href="http://allgames.online.sh.cn/kof/update/down/2002/9/kof2k2/kof2k2_19.wmv" target="_blank">videos</a>.
eh.
sorry bout the avatar.
not changing it though
;)

Fat Cat Lim
09-08-2002, 11:40 PM
Just a few thoughts.

I thought KOF2K1's gameplay was alright. I hated the monotone music and the boring backgrounds and some of the weird looking art. But in my opinion, the gameplay was miles better than KOF2K.

It's not like KOF2K didn't have its fair share of infinites and glitches that made it almost unplayable. Whip's Counter mode infinite? Lin Counter/Armor mode infinite anyone? His unblockable hits bug? Vanessa infinite? Ramon infinite (but this infinite took some mad skill). And what about the amount of bugs/glitches involving strikers?

KOF2K1 had striker damage toned down, lower throw damage (which I believe is a good thing), and I thought the game was rather balanced. I didn't think the sprite hit detection was too weird or out of the ordinary after extensive playing in the arcade. Except for a few minor issues, gameplay wise, I thought KOF2K1 was better than KOF2K.

For the record, I'm looking forward to KOF2K2. Sure, I haven't played it yet or anything, and all I have seen are the beta vids (and hopefully, Treuminator's video later), pics, and beta reports. But the MMCafe has reported that KOF2K2 feels like a KOF98 Ex, where it not only plays similarly to the old KOF98 with the removal of the Striker system and went back to 3X3 style, but the addition of the Max Mode in replacement of the ABC power charge in 98 may make combos more varied. Mind games might come into play later.

Different people have different opinions, and it's too early to tell whether gameplay wise that KOF2K2 will shine. But by removing the Striker system and going back to its KOF98 roots and improving the graphics and style, you can't say that Eolith is not trying here to please the fans. If they're actually making the effort to cater to the needs of the fans, then I've good hopes for the gameplay.

Like I say, it's a little too early to tell. Unless you have a KOF veteran player at Treuminator's place on the day he recorded the vid, we don't know.

But I haven't heard anything negative from the beta reports either.

So I'll continue to keep my hopes up and wait for the arrival of KOF2K2, yet be a little skeptical at the same time, without losing my cool. I'll wait till I get my hands on it, or listen to some seasoned veteran players who have had a go at it before reserving any opinions.

Fat Cat Lim

Mercedes
09-09-2002, 12:05 AM
Are we all staying up waiting for the video and pics? Hmmmm...or just only me?

:) :) :) :)

Ran Thrie
09-09-2002, 12:13 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Mercedes:
<strong>Are we all staying up waiting for the video and pics? Hmmmm...or just only me?

:) :) :) :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

hmm..yes.....it appears I'm here as well...for..that. So far everything i have seen of KOF 2002 looks good. I'm glad ROTD will take my mind off it for a little while till a arcade near me gets KOF.

NeoLord
09-09-2002, 12:15 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Mercedes:
<strong>Are we all staying up waiting for the video and pics? Hmmmm...or just only me?

:) :) :) :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

You're not alone, Mercedes! I'm waiting for the video, too. <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />

Viewpoint
09-09-2002, 12:29 AM
As am I.

FCL very good points indeed. I didn't even realize you gave a damn about what went on here anymore.

Even tho I don't agree with your views I still say 2K1 is a piece of shit fighter and YES I HAVE PLAYED IT EXSTENSIVLY!!

2K I never touted as perfect, That honor goes to KoF 98 and MMcafe says it looks like 98ex but Trie who actually has the Video at home says it's like 2K1.

Who am I more inclinded to beleive? <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

And finally did you EVER GET MY EMAIL REPLY THAT I SENT YOU SEVERAL MONTHS AGO OR WHAT?

ShinYojimbo
09-09-2002, 12:49 AM
Im also waiting since Sunday... :p

Kof2000 is pure crap compared to Kof2001 anybody at high level play will tell you that.

Not that Kof2000 aint fun mind....in one player not two.

Viewpoint
09-09-2002, 12:52 AM
[quote]Originally posted by ShinYojimbo:
<strong>Im also waiting since Sunday... :p

Kof2000 is pure crap compared to Kof2001 anybody at high level play will tell you that.

Not that Kof2000 aint fun mind....in one player not two.</strong><hr></blockquote>

lol Coming from someone who fought Kamui on a constant basis I'd find that opinion hard to swallow.... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

Fat Cat Lim
09-09-2002, 12:57 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>As am I.

FCL very good points indeed. I didn't even realize you gave a damn about what went on here anymore.

Even tho I don't agree with your views I still say 2K1 is a piece of shit fighter and YES I HAVE PLAYED IT EXSTENSIVLY!!

2K I never touted as perfect, That honor goes to KoF 98 and MMcafe says it looks like 98ex but Trie who actually has the Video at home says it's like 2K1.

Who am I more inclinded to beleive? <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

And finally did you EVER GET MY EMAIL REPLY THAT I SENT YOU SEVERAL MONTHS AGO OR WHAT?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I do lurk around here from time to time. You never know what tidbits might come up about. Like this upcoming 18 mins video of KOF2K2 :3

Well, Trie just said in his other post that it now looks like KOF98, so we'll see. :)

Yeah I did. Thanks for the reply. I've been busy with personal stuff lately. Uni and all that. =_= Plus I tend to get lazy replying to emails (I haven't replied back to my old schoolfriend in months) Thanks again for answering my question about the LB dipcodes...even though there aren't any. ;_;

Oh yeah, just a question though: you know how to access the debug menu for MOTW, right? Just wondering.

Fat Cat Lim

TRIEUMINATOR
09-09-2002, 01:09 AM
Yeah, I'm watching the video as we speak and it's a tough call. I play KOF '98 quite a bit and KOF 2K1 as well and it has characteristics from both of them. I definitely like the fact that they took out the strikers and made it 3 vs. 3.

Fighters are my favorite and I'm into the gameplay more than anything else, but I keep drooling over the backgrounds. What eye candy!!!

The file is being uploaded to Shawn right now. Tomorrow, we will finalize how to split up the file so everyone can enjoy it.

yagamikun
09-09-2002, 01:10 AM
[quote]Originally posted by ShinYojimbo:
<strong>Im also waiting since Sunday... :p

Kof2000 is pure crap compared to Kof2001 anybody at high level play will tell you that.

Not that Kof2000 aint fun mind....in one player not two.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I deff wouldnt say 2K is crap, it is uber fun to play. I prefer 2K1 over 2K because I am not fond of strikers and I really like how they changed many of the characters I play with (ryo for one) and really like the new characters (K9999), but for a striker based game 2K really kicks ass and is hella fun to play 2 player. For 2K2, man I CANT WAIT! Just seein some of those videos on mad mans site...the game looks to rock! From Angel's chest to some of the cool shit I saw Chris and Mai doin...I GOTTA play this. I wish I was in japan...

Muchiko
09-09-2002, 02:53 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>As am I.
2K I never touted as perfect, That honor goes to KoF 98 and MMcafe says it looks like 98ex but Trie who actually has the Video at home says it's like 2K1.

Who am I more inclinded to beleive? <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

And finally did you EVER GET MY EMAIL REPLY THAT I SENT YOU SEVERAL MONTHS AGO OR WHAT?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Let me ask you a question. How often do you play 2000 and 2001 competitively? If at all, where?

Viewpoint
09-09-2002, 03:46 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>

Let me ask you a question. How often do you play 2000 and 2001 competitively? If at all, where?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Right here in Austin, texas actually. I work for an Arcade here called Powerplay and we sport some of the nicest Neo cabs in the whole city. Our arcade has a tradition of catering to SNK fans here in Texas in so much as we've had people come from Dallas, San Antonio and Houston to play KoF because we have a lot of great players there.

2K1 gets a lot of play but I see more people falling back on '98 or 2K when they get bored. We get a good deal of Asian, Hispanic and anglo players on the game. It's scary and cool at the same time when you have 12 year old kids pulling off crazy ass Mai combos with a lot of speed.

You should come down and play seeing as we'd welcome the competition and fun. ;)

Oh and I play a lot with these guys seeing as I prefer a good asskicking instead of just stomping someone. I live for that kind of competition. :D

[ September 09, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

SNKFreak
09-09-2002, 04:10 AM
I think kof98 is WAY overrated.... I prefer the gameplay of KOF97 and 99 to 98, and I don't like dream matches :\ it feels wayy too... Crapcom...

I think it would be really cool if it were alot like 98 though.... as contradictory as it sounds... it's all about the fans, and the fans love kof98 above all, so they should model the next dream match after the first one. It's 5 am, so excuse the incoherent bullshit I just typed. And if you CAN understand what I'm trying to say, then PM me so we can set up a deal to get me some of what you're smoking.

Muchiko
09-09-2002, 05:32 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>
You should come down and play seeing as we'd welcome the competition and fun. ;)
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hard to believe that there is no F word in that reply.

It is awe strucking to hear a '98 lover prefering '00 over '01. When in fact, '01 is more balanced than '98 and plays more like '98 than '99 and '00. I can prove the character balance comparison if you want. But lets not get into that.

You yourself said that '00 gameplay is bullshit, yet it is fun. I don't get that... but by your logic, a really bullshit gameplay is a good and fun game. '01 has a lot less bullshit than '00, and yet it don't float your boat. But when '98 has no bullshit, you love it. All in all, you just find '00 fun because it's a crazy year. Gameplay-wise, it's a fact that '01 is better or on par with '98, but everyone knows that everything else in '01 is pure crap. I don't know what I'm getting to here, but it seems to me that the main reason why you hate '01 is just that, gameplay but nothing else. Don't deny it because it's a fact that '00 has more bullcrap than any other KOF series, gameplay-wise. And yes, when you thought Joe striker was the worst you can get in 2000, Seth and Alt. Iori are even more of a bastard.

Now back to 2002... aesthetically, it's probably the best looking KOF ever. And the gameplay went straight back to '98 with much much better character balance and with new character gameplays (you don't have to play the game to know this). Almost every character has their own unique gameplay, unlike '98 where most characters are FB and DP style chars. With 2001 character balance, and '98 old school style gameplay, there's no doubt that '02 would be the best year yet. Unless of course, it is plagued by game-breaking bugs; which can only be caused by that newly added BC power-up.

Takumaji
09-09-2002, 06:22 AM
Apart from the fact that I play 2k1 every day since it came out on AES, I also think it sucks.

<img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

Seriously tho, I'm with Bonus here, there's really no need for that "2k2 will be the fukn best because it looks so good!!!" kind of hype, although personally I'm really looking forward to it.

Needless to say that it's also not very clever to "hate" a game before it's out.

And about 2k vs 2k1... I think 2k1 is MILES ahead of 2k in terms of gameplay. It looks worse, but it plays better, that's all I need. Sure, KoF also is about graphics and anims, but in the end, I'm not playing a graphic demo, but a fighting game.

If 2k2 plays like 98, fine. If it plays like 2k1, fine too. I would prefer a 98-style engine, but I would not die in agony if it plays more like 2k1.

Hell, 3-on-3 and no strikers, that's something, isn't it.

cgun
09-09-2002, 06:45 AM
I noticed something new in KOF 2k1 yesterday, i have been playing alot of KOF 99 and then switched over to KOF2k1. And the sprites felt larger, as they were harder to jump over, which made jump ins easier. Also, KOF 2k1 seems to run much smoother and faster... The screen scrolls up a bit when youre jumping as well. Is is the same in older KOFīs? or do anybody know about the spite sizes?

yagamikun
09-09-2002, 09:24 AM
[quote]Originally posted by cgun:
<strong>I noticed something new in KOF 2k1 yesterday, i have been playing alot of KOF 99 and then switched over to KOF2k1. And the sprites felt larger, as they were harder to jump over, which made jump ins easier. Also, KOF 2k1 seems to run much smoother and faster... The screen scrolls up a bit when youre jumping as well. Is is the same in older KOFīs? or do anybody know about the spite sizes?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The sprite sizes vary depending on the game. 98 had the largest sprites of any KOF game (correct me if I am wrong). As far as 2K1 goes, I think the hit detection is about the same. The characters as a whole are a bit smaller than 98's (about the same size as the rest of the series) but the characters that were brought back from 98, mainly Goro and Heidern are much larger than the other characters because they pretty much just ripped the sprite. This is fine with me as Goro is a complete baddass! 2K1 does play much faster than 99.

aria
09-09-2002, 08:51 PM
Fat Cat Lim?

Whoa, there's a surprise guest star if there ever was one.

Who's next, ProZerg?

Viewpoint
09-10-2002, 04:23 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>

Hard to believe that there is no F word in that reply.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah it's fucking amazing isn't it?

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>It is awe strucking to hear a '98 lover prefering '00 over '01. When in fact, '01 is more balanced than '98 and plays more like '98 than '99 and '00. I can prove the character balance comparison if you want. But lets not get into that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why not you started this shit so let's dig into it. IF you want to prove the character balance then by all means. Show me up. Don't just say it and then leave it hanging like wetrag on a barstool.

Speak the fuck up about what you know!

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>You yourself said that '00 gameplay is bullshit, yet it is fun. I don't get that... but by your logic, a really bullshit gameplay is a good and fun game. '01 has a lot less bullshit than '00, and yet it don't float your boat. But when '98 has no bullshit, you love it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's called read between the fucking lines! I say 2K is bullshit because I mean that even with all the insanse broken shit you can do it's STILL FUN!

01' Does have a lot of less bullshit because but the game still sucks.

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>All in all, you just find '00 fun because it's a crazy year. Gameplay-wise, it's a fact that '01 is better or on par with '98, but everyone knows that everything else in '01 is pure crap.</strong><hr></blockquote>

KoF 2K1 Music is shit, The Bosses are Shit, The Backgrounds are shit and the ART IS SHIT!

98 fucking owns that piece of shit game for FREE!

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong> I don't know what I'm getting to here, but it seems to me that the main reason why you hate '01 is just that, gameplay but nothing else..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hello? Isn't what Gameplay makes or breaks a fighting game? Gameplay is the CORE of what a good fighter should be about. Everything else is 2nd!!!

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Don't deny it because it's a fact that '00 has more bullcrap than any other KOF series, gameplay-wise.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're damn right it's fun as all fuck. So why the fuck did 2K1 turn out to be such a fucking let down?!?!

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>And yes, when you thought Joe striker was the worst you can get in 2000, Seth and Alt. Iori are even more of a bastard.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Damn right they are bastards but for SCUBBY PLAYERS Joe gets cried about

I NEVER said JOE WAS THE WORST! EVERYONE ELSE SAID THAT SHIT NOT ME. READ WHAT THE HELL I'M SAYING DAMMIT

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Now back to 2002... aesthetically, it's probably the best looking KOF ever.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah if you like IORI looking like FUCKING ELVIS! That Art is 100% ASS!

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong> And the gameplay went straight back to '98 with much much better character balance and with new character gameplays (you don't have to play the game to know this)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes you DO!

Who the hell told you that you can judge a game by its looks?!?!?

What are you the God of KoF that you can look at a game and and know from not even PLAYING it that it's gonna be awesome?

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Almost every character has their own unique gameplay, unlike '98 where most characters are FB and DP style chars.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Coming from you who hasn't even touched the JOYSTICK yet that's a pretty big KNOB you're jerking in my face!


[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>With 2001 character balance, and '98 old school style gameplay, there's no doubt that '02 would be the best year yet. Unless of course, it is plagued by game-breaking bugs; which can only be caused by that newly added BC power-up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How the fuuuuck do you know there's any balance when you havn't even PLAYED it yet?

I swear if you're going to argue KoF with me at least back your shit up instead of trying to snuff me with powdered bullshit...

Neo Rasa
09-10-2002, 06:31 PM
If you're all so displeased with BonusKun's viewpoint you could actually try discussing what's good about KoF2K1's gameplay instead of what's bad about BonusKun's presentation. Fat Cat Lim is a good person to take notes on from this, too bad he's an "Orochinagi Fucktard" so most of you won't read his post.

aria
09-10-2002, 10:05 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Neo Rasa:
<strong> Fat Cat Lim is a good person to take notes on from this, too bad he's an "Orochinagi Fucktard" so most of you won't read his post.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh yeah,
Because that's such a current thing... :rolleyes:

Viewpoint
09-11-2002, 01:18 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>

Oh yeah,
Because that's such a current thing... :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>


Actually he's right. Considering how a good chunk of people here hate roms users as a whole. You only need to look at some people who got flamed here recently for stating that they use roms.
<img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

aria
09-11-2002, 04:02 PM
Yes, but how often have you heard someone mention the NG v ON feud?

Viewpoint
09-11-2002, 04:12 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>Yes, but how often have you heard someone mention the NG v ON feud?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Touche...But there are people here would enjoy opening up old wounds again which we only need to see Chris Mullins post once again. We know the end result of what would happen if that loser shows up again..

Muchiko
09-11-2002, 04:23 PM
Let the fun begin... no, it's not fucking.

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Why not you started this shit so let's dig into it. IF you want to prove the character balance then by all means. Show me up. Don't just say it and then leave it hanging like wetrag on a barstool.
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I'd love to but I don't have the time to write a one page article on it. For one it's not pertaining to the main discussion of 2000 VS 2001.

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It's called read between the fucking lines! I say 2K is bullshit because I mean that even with all the insanse broken shit you can do it's STILL FUN!
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My point exactly. I said you like '00 because it's insanely broken, yet the game you love, '98, is insanely non-broken.

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01' Does have a lot of less bullshit because but the game still sucks.
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I have yet to see a reason from you why it sucks gameplay-wise. All I hear from you is 2000 IS BULLSHIT BUT IT IS FUN, 2001 IS LESS BULLSHIT BUT IT SUCKS. Then you ramble on about 2001 and why it sucks on other parts aside from gameplay.

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KoF 2K1 Music is shit, The Bosses are Shit, The Backgrounds are shit and the ART IS SHIT!
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See it yet?

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Hello? Isn't what Gameplay makes or breaks a fighting game? Gameplay is the CORE of what a good fighter should be about. Everything else is 2nd!!!
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Yeah, you should read your last paragraph up there. And try to prove to me that you're not a hypocrite.

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Damn right they are bastards but for SCUBBY PLAYERS Joe gets cried about

I NEVER said JOE WAS THE WORST! EVERYONE ELSE SAID THAT SHIT NOT ME. READ WHAT THE HELL I'M SAYING DAMMIT
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Who cares what people are saying about Joe. The point of the matter is that there are more bullcrap than Joe striker.

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Yeah if you like IORI looking like FUCKING ELVIS! That Art is 100% ASS!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA... oh yeah, lets take into an account that Iori in his 2002 illustration looks like Elvis, even when you don't see it in the actual game. I don't usually waste my time talking to a hypocrite so this is probably my last reply.

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Who the hell told you that you can judge a game by its looks?!?!?
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Look up, dude, look up.

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What are you the God of KoF that you can look at a game and and know from not even PLAYING it that it's gonna be awesome?
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Of course, if you're not stupid enough. With a little brain you can tell 2002 is like 1998 off the bat, even without the videos. If the game system alone didn't convince you, then errrr... do something stupid like saying the F word many times; hey, you're already doing that, no wonder! But obviously the game will play more like 2001 since all the characters except the new five or so are like their 2001 version.

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How the fuuuuck do you know there's any balance when you havn't even PLAYED it yet?
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Use your brain, or is the FUCK word getting to you? 2001 is more balanced than 1998. Even if you don't agree with that, but agree that it isn't broken, it would be more balanced than 2001 because all the imbalance are taken out (e.g. Foxy, Lin, Heidern, Infinites, Strikers, etc.).

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I swear if you're going to argue KoF with me at least back your shit up instead of trying to snuff me with powdered bullshit...
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What, back up stuff like you and say "2000 IS BULLSHIT, YET FUN" with all the stupid hypocrites?

Neo Rasa
09-11-2002, 05:01 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
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Oh yeah,
Because that's such a current thing... :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, I forgot you don't notice sarcasm unless I put the right smilies after it. ;)

Viewpoint
09-11-2002, 05:12 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Let the fun begin... no, it's not fucking.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jealous? :D

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>I'd love to but I don't have the time to write a one page article on it. For one it's not pertaining to the main discussion of 2000 VS 2001.
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Oh ho so you're backing out of showing me up on this? I asked you to show me why and all of a sudden you don't have time?

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>My point exactly. I said you like '00 because it's insanely broken, yet the game you love, '98, is insanely non-broken.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's right. So what are you trying to get at besides the obvious?

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>I have yet to see a reason from you why it sucks gameplay-wise. All I hear from you is 2000 IS BULLSHIT BUT IT IS FUN, 2001 IS LESS BULLSHIT BUT IT SUCKS. Then you ramble on about 2001 and why it sucks on other parts aside from gameplay.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh ok fine here's why I hate 2K1 a bit more for you.

Old characters are way underpowered compared to the new ones like K9999 where you can do stupid rushing short jumps all and with a bit of A supression.

Angel was just plain unfnished in my eyes, she looks like an idea that someone cranked out and didn't go the full length with.

I had a lot of issues with the general play mechanices even tho it's KoF and it's not hard to fuck it up even tho Eolith tried their damndest to do it.

It's like a stupid Mugen version of KoF. They had the game and just made it worse. Why do I like 2K over 2K1 seriously? Even with all the bugs and glitches and whatnot, the core game was still solid enough to enjoy.

I'm not even going to get into the recycled boss named Zero or Igniz which somebody had a COCK up their ass about giving him no stock SDMs. Real fun boss there.

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>See it yet?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Hey I'm just stating the truth or are your eyes so closed as to realize that not everyone loves 2K1 like you do?

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Yeah, you should read your last paragraph up there. And try to prove to me that you're not a hypocrite.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Read above reasons why 2k1 sucks.

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Who cares what people are saying about Joe. The point of the matter is that there are more bullcrap than Joe striker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which is the point I agreed with you in the 1st place. When you have people here talking KoF like they know the game and then use stupid ass lame bullshit fallback excuses as to why it sucks, you get tired of it. I've been tired of it.

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>HAHAHAHAHAHA... oh yeah, lets take into an account that Iori in his 2002 illustration looks like Elvis, even when you don't see it in the actual game. I don't usually waste my time talking to a hypocrite so this is probably my last reply.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hahahahah Back @ ya dumbass. It's called a 1st impression. This was something that apparently I had wanted to get my point across. So far koF 2k2 is on a 50/50 Block with me.

The Animation in the game looks nice, Characters look good and the backgrounds/music is barly passable. The Gameplay is the only thing left I want to see which will either make...or break it for me. As far as you not replying anymore you honestly think I care if you do or not?

You fronted on me 1st, I fronted you back and I'm now trying to lay it down as nicly as I can without losing my temper again seeing as I think your points about 2K1 are seriously bent.


[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Look up, dude, look up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now who's being the Hyprocrite worshipping 2K1 and yet still won't write this long piece about character balance? Put me in my place or shut up already.

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Of course, if you're not stupid enough. With a little brain you can tell 2002 is like 1998 off the bat, even without the videos. If the game system alone didn't convince you, then errrr... do something stupid like saying the F word many times; hey, you're already doing that, no wonder! But obviously the game will play more like 2001 since all the characters except the new five or so are like their 2001 version.</strong><hr></blockquote>

lol So like a dumbass to sit there and rank on how I'm fucking saying something instead of getting to the meat of why I hate 2K1. Jesus didn't you ever end up blowing a fuckload of money only to be let down by people who tried to hype this shit out of something?

If not then you're truly got me seeing as this was the one time I listened to the hype about 2K1 and got royally burned for it.

$800.00 fucking dollars down the drain..

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>Use your brain, or is the FUCK word getting to you? 2001 is more balanced than 1998. Even if you don't agree with that, but agree that it isn't broken, it would be more balanced than 2001 because all the imbalance are taken out (e.g. Foxy, Lin, Heidern, Infinites, Strikers, etc.).
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If you can't deal with the way I fucking talk then don't cry to me about it. And if 2001 is more balanced than 98 then prove it right here and now.

I'm still telling you straight up that 2K1 is balanced worth a damn and I explained to you why.

New Characters = Way Overpowered.

Old Character = Under Powered

Ratio System = Piece of shit.

Game Felt rushed in so far as there were too many thing in it that made the game boring. Yes boring. I'm not basin gthis off 2K's gameplay because that's a circus KoF in which anything goes but, 98 was a lot more balanced than 2K1 ever was.

[quote]Originally posted by Muchiko:
<strong>What, back up stuff like you and say "2000 IS BULLSHIT, YET FUN" with all the stupid hypocrites? </strong><hr></blockquote>

To be honest i'm actually impressed. You seem to know a lot more of what the fuck you're talking about than some of the fucknuts here who originally posted their viewpoints on KoF 2K1.

Getting someone here to argue this game and bring up valid points is hard. If anything I think the real reason I got so profane was to get some of you bitches out of hiding here and fucking post what ya know instead of one line retarded jacking off threads about how the newest KoF owns.

It's actually refreshing to see some real gamers are still up in this bitch seeing as I find that I would have to goto a rom site to find people discussing gameplay of KoF vs people who jack off on their inserts.

Thank you for at least showing me that some people here at least can fucking make good points.

I await your rebuttal.....fuck <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

[ September 11, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

Muchiko
09-12-2002, 02:21 AM
A rebuttal you shall have...

Goddamn, what's up with this forum, it won't quote right; have to copy and paste again!

I will try to make it short because you won't understand what I'm saying if I go too deep into the gameplay. ^_^

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Oh ho so you're backing out of showing me up on this? I asked you to show me why and all of a sudden you don't have time?
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Not to be rude (lol) but I don't think you'll understand it. You would have to actually know a lot about the game and have played a lot of chars to understand. And believe me I wasted a lot of time on these stuff before, and it's a waste of my breath. And again, to save time since that's not the point of this post. I don't give a fuck if you think otherwise.

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That's right. So what are you trying to get at besides the obvious?
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It's called logic. If you like a game that is free from BS; it is only logical to say that you are less likely to like a game full of BS.

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Oh ok fine here's why I hate 2K1 a bit more for you. Old characters are way underpowered compared to the new ones like K9999 where you can do stupid rushing short jumps all and with a bit of A supression. Angel was just plain unfnished in my eyes, she looks like an idea that someone cranked out and didn't go the full length with. I had a lot of issues with the general play mechanices even tho it's KoF and it's not hard to fuck it up even tho Eolith tried their damndest to do it.
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That's it??? I have no idea why I'm still arguing with you when you're totally mis-informed. I was expecting the usual infinites and Foxy bug complaints.

So you're saying Heidern, Benimaru, and Goro cannot take out the new characters? Would it matter if they're top tier? Would it make any different if I said a 2001 tourney had the champ using Goro, Clark, Ralf? And would it make any different if a Japanese magazine rate the tiers with Foxy as #1 and K9999 as the last top tier of the list with 10+ other characters inbetween, and no sign of Angel/MayLee anywhere (which mean the 10+ chars are old chars)? Would it make any different if I said I have not seen any K9999 users in a tourney like Singapore's and Korea's?

But you wouldn't know any of this because you're playing the game in a U.S. soil. And it's obvious that the majority of KOF players posting in an English Forum are from U.S.A. That is why I'm not willing to argue with you because you won't understand.

And for the record, Brezzasoft (SNK) are the ones that made 2001. You think any other company can make KOF? Look at Capcom and their CvS games... nothing like KOF, if that is what it's striving for.

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lol So like a dumbass to sit there and rank on how I'm fucking saying something instead of getting to the meat of why I hate 2K1. Jesus didn't you ever end up blowing a fuckload of money only to be let down by people who tried to hype this shit out of something?
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No, I'm not one of those rich people that buys home versions just so I can play alone, which ruin the purpose of playing fighting games in the first place. Although I spend much more money than they ever will with their home carts. Yes, playing at the arcade can rake you off your money real fast, especially if you play on a regular basis like I am.

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If not then you're truly got me seeing as this was the one time I listened to the hype about 2K1 and got royally burned for it.
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Again, I don't play or buy home versions. And I'm not one of those stupid people that listen to American KOF players. If you gonna buy something expensive at least try out the game first. GeeZ.

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New Characters = Way Overpowered.
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There are only four fucking new characters. Half of them didn't make it to the top 15-20.

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Old Character = Under Powered
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If you're talking about returning old characters, Heidern is like second best and Goro is up there somewhere. I wouldn't be surprise if he's number one. I don't even want to go in-depth with the reason because, again, you won't understand and I would be wasting my time, so I just grab that stupid top tier list and use it as evidence here for whatever it's worth.

And if when you mean old characters, you mean everyone else except the new four characters, then you're wrong because the majority of the old characters are top tier.

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Ratio System = Piece of shit.
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I'm not gonna ask you why because you'll gonna give another stupid reason, but it was fun for a change to have variations in the number of characters whom you can choose. It was balanced in my mind because people play with different ratios all the time. It was nothing like ADV and EX mode.

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To be honest i'm actually impressed. You seem to know a lot more of what the fuck you're talking about than some of the fucknuts here who originally posted their viewpoints on KoF 2K1.
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Believe it or not, English Forums are one of the worst way to get gameplay feedback. I mean I'm better off talking to friends whom plays the game and know something about balance and gameplay analysis, instead of me wasting my time lecturing to people about the obvious things.

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Getting someone here to argue this game and bring up valid points is hard.
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I couldn't agree more. I admire your motive. LOL. But we're in different pages when it comes to KOF.

The only reason why I replied to this post is because I was looking for 2002 vids, and this thread had the info for them, but at the same time I stumbled upon your post bitching about 2001. Too bad you didn't like the game. But I can't convince you otherwise. I think '98 is still my best KOF, followed by '01, only because it has a better cast and aesthetics. But 2002 without a doubt in my mind will own all of them, unless bugs plague the game of course.