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yuckydog
05-28-2001, 09:30 PM
I vote for either PI2 or SDB! I've got my order in for Strikers so if anyone is looking for a complete MVS version with all accessories in the baggy, e-mail me.

James

outsider
05-28-2001, 09:36 PM
I had a conversation about this with Shawn before the big announcement of Strikers.

I told Shawn SDB would be a great choice.

Its a scare game that many have not had the chance to play, much less complete. It has great playability, and you can add me to pre-orders right NOW if you decided to offer that one Shawn.

NeoGML
05-28-2001, 09:39 PM
I agree with Super Dodgeball.

I was going to say MOTW, but that would just ruin collectors and even if people who didn't have money for it bought it (someone like me) i wouldn't buy it. heh.

Todd
05-28-2001, 10:04 PM
Definatley got to be Super Dodge Ball! Im in for a strikers cart and when i hear SDB is being done count me in there too!!

smurphy570
05-28-2001, 10:42 PM
NOW THATS GOOD! I forgot about SDB! I would 100% preorder one if I know in advance when its coming out. Need some time to save up for that!

mookystains
05-28-2001, 10:59 PM
SDB would be awsome, if i had money id preorder it, if he put conversions for sale, i hope he does.

Shawn
05-28-2001, 11:27 PM
Super Dodgeball will probably be next. SDB seems to have the most interest from reading chat, forums, and email. It is a decently rare MVS title, and one that has good play value.

Any interest in Ganryu? We could have a run of this title for $369 each. Could also have Bang bead for $399, home cart version, but I doubt many would want it.

Imagine a working copy of Irritating Maze with trackball at a reasonable price. Yes, that is another choice! Keep the ideas flowing, your feedback plays a major role in future releases.

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
05-28-2001, 11:30 PM
huh? what? are you the spokesman now?
after all that shit you spewd?
i dont get it?
am i missing something here?
when ya gonna release sdb?

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
05-28-2001, 11:33 PM
hey man whos the barking dog now?
have the tables turned?
can i call you fido?
WOOF
WOOF
WOOF
WOOF

AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

WOOF

[ May 28, 2001: Message edited by: DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL ]

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
05-28-2001, 11:45 PM
hey is this a ass kissing fest similar to the one you said dsd was doing awhile ago?
enlighten me please.

chimpmeister
05-28-2001, 11:49 PM
Well it does seem that SDB has a lot of interest. I'd agree that would be a good one, but I cast a vote for Shock Troopers. One of the best action games for the Neo, complements the Metal Slug series nicely because of its different perspective, and never came out on home cart (why?!?). That would be #1 on my list for the next release . . .

Oh and skip Ganryu, it is a very disappointing title . . . definitely NOT worth porting over, the game is pretty bad . . . <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

NeoLord
05-28-2001, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL:
[QB]huh? what? are you the spokesman now?

I thought I was! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Robert
05-28-2001, 11:55 PM
Sengoku 3 would be interesting too.

Evil Wasabi
05-29-2001, 12:01 AM
SDB would kick ass...except if they are sac-ing mvs carts to make the home carts. if so, then it would be highly unlikely and if it was made it would be very expensive. but if they are making the rom chips that is just as bad because they are pirating the games and SNK is making NO MONEY. so if they dont sac an mvs cart...im not buying it, cuz then its a pirated game

Laserblast
05-29-2001, 12:03 AM
Shock Troopers 1, NITD, SDB, Money Puzzle Exchanger, Zed Blade, and Sengoku 3 are all good choices for release if the Strikers 1945 release goes well. IMHO, only release games that never made it to the home format to avoid any possible negative effect on cart prices, or confusion of authenticity that may anger collectors. There sure are PLENTY of good unreleased games to get an !Arcade! release.

smurphy570
05-29-2001, 12:08 AM
wow...shock trooper is also a cool idea...What kind of schedule would there be for releases? Once every month will get crazy expensive...Bimonthly would be perfect for me..ALSO This is the first time in awhile we got some cool concrete news..

Wan-Fu
05-29-2001, 12:09 AM
I want NitD. nruva has built up my interest in this title.

smurphy570
05-29-2001, 12:14 AM
I want to try that and I hate to say it but im waiting to see if anything every happens with it...I know this might sound a little gay..but being 26 years old, Mr do back in the day was some good stuff hows the neo version?

jbeedham
05-29-2001, 12:16 AM
I dunno, from what I've heard they are still sacking carts. They have to get the chips from somewhere...so where do you think these chips are coming from MVS Carts?

NeoLord
05-29-2001, 12:35 AM
I'm talking to LWK via ICQ, and since he can no longer post here, he wanted me to post the following in response to this thread (this is to Shawn, btw):

"what comes around goes around, and you said !ARCADE! fed you a ton of lies, see you proved you're all money buddy"

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

RoadWarrior
05-29-2001, 07:21 AM
Oh man I Almost Forgot about SDB !!
Count me in for preorder on that one
!!

samuraiX
05-29-2001, 08:43 AM
I would go with the following:
1. Super Dodge Ball
2. Ganuryu
3. Irritating Maze
4. Bomberman
5. Puzzle Bobble

RevQuixo
05-29-2001, 08:59 AM
Unless !arcade! is burning their own eeproms, I have serious doubts that a SDB cart will see the light of day. If they ARE burning their own eeproms, i can only put forth the idea that what they are doing is basically what we normally define as "pirating" or "bootlegging" I have essentially no problems with sacing carts, because you are merely altering the carts form, but if they are burning their own games, then the Neo Geo market can be essentially controlled by !arcade!. Imagine they burn a small run of Metal Slug AES with their professionally done labels and what-not. The collectibility of the cart will plummet as the desirability factor of this elusive title disappears.

I don't want to play devil's advocate here, but it seems that the same distaste that this forum showed towards conversions from NGF should apply here.

Also, (again playing the devil's advocate) why would !arcade! offer both new AES carts and at the same time push converters and the AES2. I can see doing one or the other, but essentially they are killing the marketability of their products by offering items that are in direct competition with one another. Why buy an AES 2 if you have access to all of the previously unavailable games in !arcade! home format.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the converters and AES 2 are neat ideas that will spread open the MVS game market up to new people, but these "new" AES carts seem more to play on the fact that hardcore Neo Geo gamers are willing to pay extremely high prices for a hack job...albeit a professionally done hack job. If you are going to spend 399.99 to have a Saced Strikers 1945 MVS cart why not just buy the converter (299.99) and the pure MVS cart (110) and then have the ability to use the converter on other games as well....

RevQuixo

Force
05-29-2001, 09:20 AM
What the hell. I'll support more home cart releases. I'll get my pre-order in later today. As for other suggestions for home carts, here would be my choices:

Super Dodgeball
Neo Bomberman
Shock troopers 1
And I think a Bang head or whatever cart would be cool as hell too. I'm all about having real proto-type games distributed.

Matt

nick_th_fury
05-29-2001, 09:23 AM
"what comes around goes around,

Its nice to see that yall dont alow someone to change.
Get a life, or just quite trying to ruin a nice thread.
What the hecks wrong with a wish list anyway?
Its just wishing.



forum showed towards conversions

You are wrong. Many of of never disliked conversions.
We disliked people marketing the as "rare protos" To jack up the price.
People were told they were buying "authentic" snk merchandise.
Most of us have no problem with the truth.



The collectibility of the cart will plummet as the desirability factor of this elusive title disappears.

Sounds good to me. All the lames who buy it
just as an investment can just deal with it.
The speculators never felt sorry for the
gamers as prices rose because of their actions.
It was a poor investment any way. Next time try bonds.
If your buying cause you really wanted the item for yourself, you wont care if the price drops. You have it, thats what you wanted. Nothing changes.
What makes you think the gamers should give a shit what the collectors worry about?

& for the record, Id like to see SuperDodgeBall, ShockTroopers & BustAMove AgainEX.

LastResort
05-29-2001, 09:28 AM
I would like to see PI2, ganryu, Shock Troopers, Bang Bead, Puzzle Bobble 2, Breakers Revenge, ....

And if possible a Chotetsu Brikinger/Ironclad
home cart version.

LastResort

yuckydog
05-29-2001, 09:39 AM
For all those of you think they !arcade! is sac'ing MVS carts, can you explain why they are selling off all their MVS kits? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep them and sac them?

And why do none of you consider that it's a possibility that !arcade! might have licensed these games and is paying royalties to SNK/Aruze and whoever made the game? This theory might further game development for the Neo if these companies realize that there's still a market out there. (Albeit a small one.)

James

RevQuixo
05-29-2001, 09:46 AM
Nick, as much as i agree with you that "gamers" aren't necessarily always "collectors", I doubt anyone on these forums can honestly say they haven't gloated about getting a rare "steal" or who hasn't kicked themselves when a golden oppurtunity passed them by? The fact of the matter is that one of the variables that runs this hobby is the collectibility of it. Otherwise, we'd all be content just to run these games through emulators.


Also, If these are officially liscensed, I would imagine !arcade! would be using that as a key selling point. True, we don't have all of the information, but I would tend to believe that it would be a key piece of information that potential buyers would want to know before preordering a produt.

[ May 29, 2001: Message edited by: RevQuixo ]

Kinneth
05-29-2001, 10:34 AM
Hi,

My vote for the next games:
next PI2
then SDB
then whatever

nick_th_fury
05-29-2001, 11:13 AM
Otherwise, we'd all be content just to run these games through emulators.


Not true, not true at all.
Many of us, myself included, bought neogeos
back in '90-'92. We bought them, because we loved the games.

We payed full price, and 3 months later the
resell value would drop like a rock.

Back then, when I payed full new retail price for games like crossedswords, nam75, fatalfuryspecial, samsho, etc.
I never ever thought they would be collectable.
Never wanted them to be, never wanted them not too.
Just never even thought about it.
I payed for them, cause I loved the games.

These carts will eventually drop in value.
Its just the way Fads work.

I enjoy collecting, thats a fact.
But the value means nothing to a true collector.
A true collector, does not buy items with the intent of selling them. Thats a speculator. Or a reseller.
A collector buys items he really wants.
Regardless of how anyone else values them.

If all neo carts dropped to $10 tomorrow.
I'd be happy. Makes my cart collection more enjoyable IMO.
Cause then I'll only have to deal with fans in the future. & not people out to make a buck.

RevQuixo
05-29-2001, 11:58 AM
of course, i too, would be happy to get games at 10 bucks a pop, but not at the expense of SNK and certainly not at the expense of the community. Let's face it, the reason this forum thrives is due to the fact that we are members of an exclusive club--Neo Geo owners. We love SNK, love the games, love the fact that we can invest time and money in a rewarding hobby.

Why do we dislike people who use emulators? because they didn't have to work and pay for what they are using. It isn't real.

Well i have a hard time seeing these "new" AES carts as being real either. If they came out of some Hong Kong hack shop, people probably wouldn't buy them. Simply because they have been presented with a semblence of authenticity we are supposed to plop down 4 bills?

I seem to recall (and correct me if I'm wrong) that when www.ncsx.com (http://www.ncsx.com) learned that the "official" KOF2000 home carts were actually manufactured by NGF they pulled out of the distribution deal. Why? Because they aren't real.

If these are official liscensed products, fine. But we have yet to hear a word about it. I'm all for converters, heck i'm even for the AES 2..but don't piece together an AES cart out of an MVS cart and then expect me to cough up AES prices.

!arcade! really should just stick with the AES 2 and converters. This kind of pushes the envelope on what we consider acceptable in our hobby.

yuckydog
05-29-2001, 12:35 PM
My opinion on buying !arcade! products as opposed to NGF products: reputation.

After hearing all the horror stories, reading posts made by Dion and seeing what kind of person he is, I wouldn't deal with NGF. I've dealt with Ray at !arcade! once and the whole deal was smooth and professional. I did have a difference of opinion way back but I forgot what it was about.

Also, I have all these MVS games that were never released for the home system and now that I don't have a cabinet anymore (djbomberman is enjoying mine) I would like an option to play them. The current options are buying a converter, buying another cab, buying the AES II or buying this new run of home carts. My choice is buying the new run of home carts because I'm anal and would like to see these games fit in with the rest of my Neo collection.

James

nick_th_fury
05-29-2001, 12:39 PM
games at 10 bucks a pop, but not at the expense of SNK


Never said that. I do agree SNK & all the game makers deserve to make a profit.
However, someone jacking up a price on a game that sold out 10years ago does not benefit nor hurt SNK in anyway.


Why do we dislike people who use emulators?

Dunno where that came from.
I can only speak for myself, I dont care either way.
I just choose not to use one. Thats the difference. I enjoy 100% arcade perfect at home.
Maybe im extreme, but im willing to pay for it.
Others are not, thats cool.
I just point out, that if values were low, many of us still would not prefer the emu.
Wich is what I responded too.
Its not 100% perfect.


then expect me to cough up AES prices.

Lol, I dont expect that of anyone.
I dont expect people to pay retail price for
brand new snk authentic either.

Lets face it, most didn't. if they did, neogeo would be #1, & playstation would be a niche system.


The difference is, there are some people that will pay.
To have a Strikers on homecart, at 400 is a very good deal when compared to the routes
you would have had to have taken before this. Right or wrong, im not debating that at all.

Only !arcade has that info, but Im willing to give them
the benefit of the doubt until they inform us otherwise.

I dont see anyone on agetec's BBs demanding proof
that they have a license.
Or demanding proof that Capcom has the right to
legitmitly release snkvscapcom2 in the US.
that may seem silly to you.
I see !arcade as a legitmite corporation.
If they were not, & they were pirates as yall suggest, then I think it would have been
impossible to release home carts, convertors, even a new console on wide scale.
Only a really good company could do that.

Snk could not, so where does that put them.
Id think it says a lot, and I'll also bet that,
this is just a guess.
That they must have snk's blessing.
Otherwise, how eles could they sell consoles
through snk authorized resellers.
Consoles built on SNK technology.
Snk may not mind some fans on a small scale.
Thats not what this seems to be.
If !arcade wasnt legit, I dont see how else this could be done.

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
05-29-2001, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by nick_th_fury:
<STRONG>
Not true, not true at all.
Many of us, myself included, bought neogeos
back in '90-'92. We bought them, because we loved the games.

We payed full price, and 3 months later the
resell value would drop like a rock.

Back then, when I payed full new retail price for games like crossedswords, nam75, fatalfuryspecial, samsho, etc.
I never ever thought they would be collectable.
Never wanted them to be, never wanted them not too.
Just never even thought about it.
I payed for them, cause I loved the games.

These carts will eventually drop in value.
Its just the way Fads work.

I enjoy collecting, thats a fact.
But the value means nothing to a true collector.
A true collector, does not buy items with the intent of selling them. Thats a speculator. Or a reseller.
A collector buys items he really wants.
Regardless of how anyone else values them.

If all neo carts dropped to $10 tomorrow.
I'd be happy. Makes my cart collection more enjoyable IMO.
Cause then I'll only have to deal with fans in the future. & not people out to make a buck.</STRONG>

i couldnt argee more,i am also a collector,but my main intrest is the games,i just hava a fondness for those wicked boxes,i wish the prices went to 10 bucks,because then it would weed out the fakes and leave only the true neo heads..plus id have about 10 of each game,just for their almighty prescence..heheheh..dont know man i just have a thing for home carts..back in 90 when i seen those big ass carts in babbages i was blown away,the big ass carts just screamed power..

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
05-29-2001, 01:22 PM
heres what id like to see..

1.sdb
2.nitd
3 a lower price new style art,kizuna
4.maybe a ninja masters.
5.breakers revenge
6.shock troopers
7.pi2

not in that order..

[ May 29, 2001: Message edited by: DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL ]

RevQuixo
05-29-2001, 01:31 PM
Different strokes for different folks.


if you are happy paying 400 for Strikers 1945 AES go for it...

But one comment (of course) the whole !arcade! as a legitimate corporation thing I find kind of funny. Being distributed through one store (videogamedepot) and selling the product on eBay does not a big company make. I find it more than likely that the reason there is even a preorder for the Strikers carts is that they will be made to order...with maybe a little bit extra for good measure. Same thing for the AES 2. So if you want this cart...preorder it now.

Oh well.

RevQuixo

Orpheus
05-29-2001, 03:13 PM
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY NICK_TH_FURY:

"The collectibility of the cart will plummet as the desirability factor of this elusive title disappears.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sounds good to me. All the lames who buy it
just as an investment can just deal with it.
The speculators never felt sorry for the
gamers as prices rose because of their actions.
It was a poor investment any way. Next time try bonds.
If your buying cause you really wanted the item for yourself, you wont care if the price drops. You have it, thats what you wanted. Nothing changes.
What makes you think the gamers should give a shit what the collectors worry about?"

---------------------------------------------

Damn! I could NOT have said it better myself nick. way to go.

Liquid Snake
05-29-2001, 03:22 PM
How come everyone is talking about SDB? Are you sure it's good? I've seen GBA version and thought it's a normal sports game. I hate sports game.....:&lt;

Well, all I want to see in the future is that Arcade will make lots Neo game at $100 price each......I know it's impossible but that's what I really want to see.

Tiptonium
05-29-2001, 03:23 PM
No question about it... the next game should be Super Dodge Ball. <IMG SRC="smilies/drool2.gif" border="0">

TonK
05-29-2001, 04:09 PM
Neo games at $100?...give me a month in advance notice so I can get rid of the MVS titles I own <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

hupplark_39
05-29-2001, 04:35 PM
My vote is for PHI-2 cause it's to dam expensive to convert to home. also too many good sac carts have to be wasted for one of these newer protected carts. my pick of others would be ShockTroopers-1, NM, NeoBomberman,Pulstar and a few others. one more thing the price has to be low enough for people to buy them, if not then it's not important if they are made at all.
hupplark-39 <IMG SRC="smilies/drool.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/drool.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/drool.gif" border="0">

GregN
05-29-2001, 06:20 PM
I personally like to see home carts.
I don't want to go though the hassle of a supergun, an MVS converter that won't work, or the possible high price of an AES2.

I support !Arcade!s conversions.

Although from a player's standpoint I can't see myself paying $400 for Strikers 1945, I can very easily see myself pre-ordering Super Dodge Ball if this were made for home cart. I would also be interested in Shock Troppers 1 if such a game where made.

I also disagree with most of you regarding reprinting home carts. Some of us have never had the opportunity to play and own great games like Metal Slug 1, MotW, and Kinzuna Encounter: Super Tag Battle. Even though it would drop the value of the carts, I think a limited run of these games should be produced. Collectors may suffer, but gamers would benefit.

Many games drop in value over time anyway. Look at KoF 2k. It dropped in value very fast. The whole reason collectors collect games is because they were once gamers who actively played games. The drop in value is a small price to pay for the enjoyment true gamers could get to play some of these games that never previously saw a release. Not to mention promoting SNK games.

Neo Fan
05-29-2001, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by ORPHEUS:
[QB]

Sounds good to me. All the lames who buy it
just as an investment can just deal with it.
The speculators never felt sorry for the
gamers as prices rose because of their actions.
It was a poor investment any way. Next time try bonds.
If your buying cause you really wanted the item for yourself, you wont care if the price drops. You have it, thats what you wanted. Nothing changes.
What makes you think the gamers should give a shit what the collectors worry about?"

QB]

I couldn't agree more. Anyone who really thinks that Neo is a good investment, will be sorely disappointed. I collect for the fun of it, and I like to play too. When games get down to $10 like DSD predicts, I will be there scoffing up my 10 copies each also.

Also, my vote for the next home cart is Bust A Move.

jbeedham
05-29-2001, 06:53 PM
By now it looks pretty obvious that these are pirate carts. Why do think they are taking preorders so they can sac the exact amount of carts they need.

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
05-29-2001, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by jbeedham:
<STRONG>By now it looks pretty obvious that these are pirate carts. Why do think they are taking preorders so they can sac the exact amount of carts they need.</STRONG>

hey man arent you a good freind of dion? and the top poster over at ngf.com?
wouldnt that statement be a contradiction if it where true seeing you heavily support true thieves? who do a horrid sac job.


i believe good buisness and a reputable product speaks for itself with !arcade!
i mean compare strikers and the other products produced so far and come back with a little something better please.

no sacs,what part of this is not understood mr freak?

jbeedham
05-29-2001, 08:15 PM
First off, I'm not related to any company I'm just against piracy. And how is this not pircay? Can someone get an explanation from Arcade! ? There is no way they could make such a small print run with brand new parts for that price.

jbeedham
05-29-2001, 08:17 PM
Oh, by the way there mvs to aes convertor was not an officially licensed produc from SNK. That's a fact!

So what makes you guys think this game is?

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL
05-29-2001, 10:47 PM
i dont see anyone claiming offical products..
except maybe your freinds..
try again...

Mike
05-29-2001, 11:12 PM
SAMHAIN with the regection.. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek2.gif" border="0">

simon
05-30-2001, 10:50 AM
Hey guys keep in mind that a run of converted Super Dodgeball cartrdiges would be nearly impossible to make or at last damn expensive : the MVS cart alone sells for $350 ~ $500 depending of the conditions. And even at that price, !Arcade! won' t be able to find many copies of it.

The only way to keep it affordable would be to offer a bootleg cart with burned EPROMs inside, but then it' ll make a product with a collector' s value pretty close to nothing ^^