Capcom vs SNK 2 First Impressions

outsider

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Gameplay

First of all, the first thing about CvS2 is that it feels MUCH more complete that CvS... everyone seems to have the majority of all their moves, if not all. I enjoyed the return of the additional two buttons also, makes for additional chaos possible.

There are no more EX versions of characters, just one complete version of everyone. Every character so far that I've played feels much better that before. (Sagat in particular feels like more of a contender now... hmm strange)

Now come the Isms, or should I say Grooves. These are really cool, and you can have a lot of possible combinations, so you can customize they way you play to fit your style. You get 6 grooves (C-A-P & S-N-K) which all have different positives and negatives (air blocking, rolling, dodging, running, dashing, etc...) You get two bonus grooves (Ex1 & Ex2) which are basically a “make your own groove” type thing. These grooves are completely customized by you, so you can make one with everyone you need if none of the included ones please you.

Graphics

Graphics are pretty much the same as CvS1, the stages are impressive, but when you first look at it, the low-res character graphics stick out in the same way as they did in CvS. After you play it through a while though, you really stop noticing it that much. Some of the older characters are using the same tired graphics from SFA2 still look terrible though (Sakura & Morrigan are the queens of this, they look the worst of the bunch)

Sound

The sfx are good, no complaints. Everything is clear and sounds as it should. The music is very blah. It’s the kind of music that even though it’s playing, you won’t really notice, nothing memorable about it. The announcer is of the babbling kind, like SFA3/RBS announcer. He goes well with the whole mega-tournament idea of the game. All in all, it’s well put together in this dept, but the music could be better.

New characters

Rock Howard - Plain and simple, this MOTW Rock. If you played him before, you should adapt very easily. Nothing new added, but he's fun to play as. Plus, we get to see the ultimate dream match Rock vs Geese. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Eagle - He reminds me a lot of Mr. Big in KOF96, it would have been awesome to have the two of them in there. You can be an annoying bastard with him he looks to be to poke at people with. Good job bringing him back from the dead.

Maki - At first, you will think of a female version of Guy. Going a bit deeper though, you will see she’s actually really cool. She’s kind of a mix of Guy with an air grappler. Her attacks can be sneaky and very fast, but it should be noted that her attacks tend to do very little damage.

Yun - Never liked playing him in SF3... he's still the same as he was in SF3, except that one of his supers uses his brother as part of it. I would have rather had Alex in his place. Nothing much to add here, as I find him boring to play as.

Chang w/ Choi - Imagine playing with Galford or say Cham Cham. That is pretty much how the Chang/Choi combo works. You send off your little buddy to do attacks for you, and you can use him to take the brunt of say a fireball or something. A nice addition to the roster, but I don’t see myself playing as them.

Haohmaru - Great to see this guy after his long absence from fighting games. He's fun to play as and will probably be a popular character. He seems to be missing his move from SS2 where he hits you with the Sake bottle, I loved that move. Other than that, he’s a strong character in the CvS universe.

Kyosuke - He makes a good transition to the 2d world. He has a good move set from RS which comes in pretty useful and he’s easy to use. Not much more to add about him though.

Athena - Haven’t bothered, as I never play as her. Still has annoying voice. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Hibiki – Pulled her straight out of LB. Her attacks seem to be pretty efficient and deadly, a threat to some of better characters in CvS2.

Todo - I actually like playing as him, now that he has more than the sword attack and elbow he had in AOF1 <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> He's kinda like the sleeper hit of the whole cast. Give him a try and you might be pleasantly surprised.

Joe - Not exactly new, as he debuted in CvS Pro. He is now complete, as in CvS Pro, they stole some of his moves from him. He has a new super that works kind of like a Raging Storm but with hurricanes, definitely a tough cookie.

Dan – Debuted in CvS Pro also, never really liked playing, and I still don’t. Capcom’s joke character finally gets to meet Ryo… too bad Robert isn’t around to show him a thing or two.

Boss Battles

They actually made it so you have to do well and use their point system to be able to battle the final bosses. If you manage to get enough points (GP, indicated in the middle bar over the time counter) you will fight either Shin Akuma or God Rugal. If you don’t do as that well, you will just fight a normal Akuma or Rugal. If you just end up with a low GP count, you won’t fight any real boss, just a final team of regular characters.

Both are pretty tough, but G-Rugal wins in both toughness and coolness factor (just wait till you see G-Rugal's intro, plus his voice sounds really cool <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> )

The subbosses are M. Bison & Geese who play just like in CvS, if you aren’t doing well with GP, you won’t fight them either.

The characters all seem to have endings, but I have no idea what they are saying since they all seem to be text based.

What’s Missing?

-Revamping ALL sprites… stop bringing out the same tired sprites from older games!
-More popular characters… I mean, where is Andy Bogard anyway?
-Music that you will remember after you turn the game off.
-I know it’s a fantasy game, but more storyline would be great! (Although I think it’s headed in right direction atleast)

Summary

All in all, it’s DEFINETLY worth the $50 you'll have to spend on it. It’s a much more complete game than before, and even though it’s still missing some of our favorites, it’s still a tight fighter. For CvS fans, I know you already pre-ordered this one, but for those who felt a bit burned by CvS, give this a second shot. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[edited to clean it up a bit, made it into more of a review for Bobak]

[ September 15, 2001: Message edited by: outsider ]
 
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Caris Nautilus

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In other words if you thought the first one was garbage (like me) you'll think this one is garbage as well. I'm passing on this, Mark of the Wolves is a much better buy.

If they release it here for 19 bucks I'll get it, but it isn't a 50 dollar game to me.
 

aria

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So, are you willing to submit that as an actual review? (its pretty darn close)
 

outsider

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Originally posted by Bobak:
<STRONG>So, are you willing to submit that as an actual review? (its pretty darn close)</STRONG>

Sure if you'd like to add it, I guess I could add more to it later, as I just kinda wrote that to give everyone an idea of CvS2. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Caris: I think you should give it a shot, you might surprise yourself <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 
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Caris Nautilus

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I gave the first one a shot, pre ordered the import, had the highest hopes in the world. And I do love capcom, the Street Fighter 3 series is one of the best fighter series's of all time, but they let me down allot with Capcom VS. Snk. When I saw what they did to Ryo I just couldn't beleive it.

How they can go from SF3, to the sorry excuse for graphics in Capcom vs SNK i'll never understand.

Originally posted by outsider:
<STRONG>Sure if you'd like to add it, I guess I could add more to it later, as I just kinda wrote that to give everyone an idea of CvS2. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Caris: I think you should give it a shot, you might surprise yourself <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

[ September 15, 2001: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]
 

outsider

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Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<STRONG>I gave the first one a shot, pre ordered the import, had the highest hopes in the world. And I do love capcom, the Street Fighter 3 series is one of the best fighter series's of all time, but they let me down allot with Capcom VS. Snk. When I saw what they did to Ryo I just couldn't beleive it.</STRONG>

Yeah, I think CvS left a bad taste in many fans mouths, more tha anything the hardcore SNK fans. It would have been much better suited to kick thing off with CvS2, but alas.

<STRONG>
How they can go from SF3, to the sorry excuse for graphics in Capcom vs SNK i'll never understand.
</STRONG>

I loved the SF3 graphics. It's sad we may never see another game using the CPS3 set. I dont have a problem at all with the CvS graphics, except for the reused sprites... those are just inexcusable.
 

aria

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Originally posted by outsider:
<STRONG>Sure if you'd like to add it, I guess I could add more to it later, as I just kinda wrote that to give everyone an idea of CvS2. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Caris: I think you should give it a shot, you might surprise yourself <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


I'll put it up next time I get a chance (probably tommorrow night). If you want to make changes or additions, email them directly to me ( Bobak@neo-geo.com ) -you can make changes even after a review is posted <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

THanks.
 

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hardcore shotokan'ers get to keep all their goodies. I'd really like to see something interesting - like the typical Ryu/Ken/Akuma combos stop working, and you have to find new ones, because the timing was off for the SNK characters' combos, and capcom'ers could easily get the best of us.
 

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And no, I'nm not agianst Capcom - just the fools that live by their fighting games and think SNK is substandard.
 

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Hey, I like CvsS on the DC.

I'm really looking forward to getting my copy of CvsS2.

Then again, the only neo fighters I own are Sam Sho 1 and 4.

I;ve only played various KOF series in London arcades (very drunk I must say) so can;t appreciate the best of neo fighters yet.
 

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I look forward to the US release. I liked CvS a bit but lets be honest we all know what the first name on the marque is. a lot of the SNK characters were not done justice. about the only changed I liked was seeing was capcom's Art interperitations of the characters; but many characters such as Ryo seem slugish. And now there taking the SNK 4 button style of control away; Man that sucks. all I can do is hope a day comes when we see SNK Vs.Capcom!!!
 

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Ok i thought one was okj playable but was not like anything i was expecting does CvsS2 actually play more complete and have a better feeling to it?cause the 1st one did'nt have any feeling to it u know what i mean?
 

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This title is released for what console??
Dreamcast or PSX2??

Raiden -OH YES! In a more complete fighter!
I sure wish the alter ego 'BIG BEAR' could be used...
excellent review btw..
-BB
 

BIG BEAR

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Originally posted by Parallax:
<STRONG>I look forward to the US release. all I can do is hope a day comes when we see SNK Vs.Capcom!!!</STRONG>

SNK Vs.Capcom

Talk about rejuvinating one's interest in the gaming aspect of Neo Geo!
-BB
 

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I stopped by the arcade today hoping to play the game. Unfortunately I had errands to run and could only stay for a short while. What did I see?
A long ass line.
So I stood hoping to bust some chops, but all the while took some notes.

-Morrigan looks terrible
-Where is Andy???
-Favorites to use between those players were: Joe, Terry, Ryo, and Ken

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to play it. From what I seen though, I think it looks pretty good. But I bet it could be better... I mean, SO many deserving characters left out. WHY? TELL ME WHY.

Oh well... I look forward to the "first experience"....
 

Devil_Gans

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the graphics are very good actually.its done in 3d unlike CVS1 which is a 2d HI-RES graphics.yeah,the sprites are not good.

these are the SNK fighters that have been improved:
Benimaru
ryo
kyo
rugal
yamazaki
iori(small margin)
mai
kim
yuri

almost all the fighters have undergone a huge improvement.they could also cancel their DMs from their medium punchs and kicks!!
 

Poor Man's MS Fan

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Why is Capcom so... LAZY... redraw Morrigan, goddammit! Oh well... It rweally doesn't matter...

Only two hidden characters, eh? That sucks...
 

Devil_Gans

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the hidden boss fighters are a pain in the ass unless u use terry or kyosuke who could overcome them easily.

a strange thing i noticed in the training mode is that after unlocking the boss fighters,there is only one yellow box left.i dunno if there is 1 more hidden fighter or its juz a design or something.
 

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I'm still hoping that a few more secret fighters will come to light... although I really doubt it <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0"> Still, what is there is pretty good, and its still a much better game than the first!

Another cheap way to beat God Rugal is with Bison/Vega - just keep doing the Psycho Crusher over and over. I got stuck the first time I got to him, and that was the cheap ass tactic that helped me beat him <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

By the way, I got a review up for CVS2 which I posted this morning... go to my site my site to read it (another shameless plug I know <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> )
 

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I just read your review, Kazuya. Awesome review! I liked your style of quoting the announcer (?) in the game. Very well done. If I hadn't read any other reviews, the only critique I can offer is that you should have went in depth on the various grooves. Other than that, great review!
 

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Originally posted by GregN.:
<STRONG>I just read your review, Kazuya. Awesome review! I liked your style of quoting the announcer (?) in the game. Very well done. If I hadn't read any other reviews, the only critique I can offer is that you should have went in depth on the various grooves. Other than that, great review!</STRONG>

Thanks a lot! <IMG SRC="smilies/tickled.gif" border="0"> I suppose I should try and use the other grooves a little more, and maybe add some better info about them to the review really. Glad you liked the quote thing, as I thought I'd try something a little different to what I usually do... <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 
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Originally posted by Kazuya_UK:
<STRONG>my site[/URL] my site to read it (another shameless plug I know <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> )</STRONG>

Damn Kazuya, lol, it's not enough you have your site url in your profile and sig, j/k

Make your avatar have it in it too while your at it.
 
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Cool, sounds more like a sequel worth spending more money on as opposed to a "get this version if you never played the first." Shame there won't be a domestic release on DC, but oh well. I'll have to keep an eye on my cash and look around for it.
 
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