Ah! The REAL scoop on NGF's offical SNK status!

NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

A fellow colleague was able to contact Hiroshi Miyajima, General Manger of International sales at SNK in Owsaka, Japan to get the real scoop on the NGF fiasco. His phone number is 011816-6339-0100. NGF has been allowed to re-sell SNK consumer product
because they directly relate to the Neo-Geo. NGF isn't 'official' Miyajimasan claims -- we
were told that anyone can do this without a license agreement. Mr. Miyajimasan said
Apple Photo Systems is the ONLY official distributor for SNK in America, and only they
can produce 'official' versions of their cartridges. Why do you think Dion is offering to upgrade your KOF 2000 cartridge to English? He's just changing the insert, manual, and sticker to English -- SNK never printed any material for an English release! Basically, you're paying an extra $300 for a fake insert, manual, and sticker, and you're getting back the same cartridge you sent to NGF! Why do you think Dion is buying so many Japanese KOF 2K cartridges? The people who are defending Dion are telling the truth: the KOF 2000 cart Dion is selling is official (its the Japanese version), but everything else (insert, etc.) is made by NGF.

Here's something else to chew on: to avoid a lawsuit, people who re-sell SNK games in
America (and the people who make unofficial inserts, etc.) must include SNK's trademark
and the phrase "Made in Japan" where applicable.

If you'd rather contact Mr. Miyajimasan via e-mail, here is his e-mail address:
hiroshi_miyajima@gw.snk.neogeo.co.jp

Feel free to contact him! This is what we've been told, and if someone here wants to try it themselves, we'd like to see if SNK will say something different. No arguments,
guys -- just contact Mr. Miyajimasan before forming an opinion of this post. Just find out for yourselves...

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NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

I forgot to mention that those who make fake materials for these carts must clearly state that they are NOT offical SNK material. Heh.

hupplark_39 · Dec 27, 2000

Good Job Mike! case in point, you only think your getting what you are paying for. what a joke! Joe

DEVIL_GUI · Dec 27, 2000

VERY NICE, VERY NICE!
......AND IM GOING TO WRITE DOWN THE NO# SO I CAN CALL MY EMPLOYEE, MR MIYAJIMA AND ANNOY HIM EVERYDAY ABOUT ALL SORTS OF STUFF, LIKE WHAT CLOTHES TO WEAR, WHAT TO HAVE FOR DINNER AND WHAT TO BUY MY WIFE FOR THAT SPECIAL OCCASION!
......I NEED NOT CHECK UP I BELIEVE IT COMPLETELY!.....
DEVIL GUI

DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL · Dec 27, 2000

I CANT BELIEVE THAT SOME PEOPLE ACUTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT NGF BULLSHIT WAS REAL..VERY NICE WORK NEOLORD..BRAVO!!! 560 FOR STCKERS AND INSERT AHHAHAHAA ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO WHOEVER FELL FOR THIS BULLSHIT IS..SUCKER!!!!!!OFFICAL MY ASSSSS....MORONS...

Shawn · Dec 27, 2000

The nightmare is over, just another NGF (chris & dion) scam. So they used a better printing service, outside of Kinko’s. Anyone can do this. Dion’s in California, printing houses are plentiful. Only the boards inside the NGF KoF 2000 carts are SNK original. Dion hopelessly signs the insides of SNKs carts with a permanent marker, as if this would magically legitimize his NGF lies. So they received the official Japanese KoF 2000 before December 21st. This would give them plenty of time to make a nearly identical NGF version in English. That’s just it. They hardly changed anything. Easy scan job and minor, quick changes. Funny how NGF touted this as a sign of an official English version, “look how similar the inserts are.” It’s disappointing to hear others mention the English KoF 2000, as if one actually existed.

chimpmeister · Dec 27, 2000

Worse than the disappointment of having people mention the "English" KOF2K cart, think about the EMBARASSMENT of those who actually BOUGHT the $600 fake cart . . . all three of them, from what I've read. I'd be hatin' life right now if I were any of those guys . . .

Comrade Porn King Mikhail · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
Worse than the disappointment of having people mention the "English" KOF2K cart, think about the EMBARASSMENT of those who actually BOUGHT the $600 fake cart . . . all three of them, from what I've read. I'd be hatin' life right now if I were any of those guys . . .

LOL! I'm sorry my man, but I just couldn't help it. Yes indeed, those of us having the guts to actually take a risk are the ones that should be hating life. I will have this disputed cart in my hands tomorrow and I, like the two other people who posted, and like the couple dozen of others who have purchased it, will be able to render a decision on the quality and physical authenticity of the game firsthand, not based on the soap opera in these forums.

Food for thought: some of you seem to think that this "frogman" person was Dion. I don't know nor do I care, however, this person suggested that people call the SNK-Japan International department and specifically ask for Mr. "Hiroshi Mijajama". Coupled with Dion's constant reiterations that people should call SNK-Japan, why would they want us to call if they knew they were lying? Why would SNK-Japan give different stories to different people who call. I would suggest that more people call so we can get to the bottom of this and see what's happening. I was already planning to call upon receiving the game in my hands and I would urge anyone who wants to make an "expert" opinion to call first and foremost and verify this information.

Sincerely,

Kale

NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by kiselgof:
LOL! I'm sorry my man, but I just couldn't help it. Yes indeed, those of us having the guts to actually take a risk are the ones that should be hating life. I will have this disputed cart in my hands tomorrow and I, like the two other people who posted, and like the couple dozen of others who have purchased it, will be able to render a decision on the quality and physical authenticity of the game firsthand, not based on the soap opera in these forums.

Food for thought: some of you seem to think that this "frogman" person was Dion. I don't know nor do I care, however, this person suggested that people call the SNK-Japan International department and specifically ask for Mr. "Hiroshi Mijajama". Coupled with Dion's constant reiterations that people should call SNK-Japan, why would they want us to call if they knew they were lying? Why would SNK-Japan give different stories to different people who call. I would suggest that more people call so we can get to the bottom of this and see what's happening. I was already planning to call upon receiving the game in my hands and I would urge anyone who wants to make an "expert" opinion to call first and foremost and verify this information.

Sincerely,

Kale

I tried searching the board to find the page where Frog said to specifially contact Hiroshi Miyajima Can you help me find it?

BTW, we took Frog's advice and contacted SNK, but we spoke to someone that wasn't a 'lacky'.

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Geddon_jt · Dec 27, 2000

So Miyajima confirms that NGF is allowed to resell SNK consumer product. Maybe Miyajima claims that 'NGF' isn't official or whatever - did he explicitly say "we never printed an English version?"

He might have had nothing to do with the whole thing, how can we be sure? Remember, there were only 100 made. It probably wasn't a huge project for SNK, who doesn't really give a damn about the neo home market in the first place...

I'm after the truth just like you guys. And I'm sure before long, someone at SNK will say, "Yes, we made some english carts and sent them to NGF in America."

The quality of this product is so immaculate and perfect to SNK authentic products that it is borderline inconceivable that 2 people would incur all the costs and labor of producing it and having it ready SIMULTANEOUSLY with the japanese version.

Chimp - are you kidding? I'm not embarrassed. Proof works both ways. How many people at SNK actually know or have any business with the ENGLISH CONSUMER market? Its not a major market for SNK. This order was probably completed by a small group of people. But the truth is, none of us work for SNK so how do we know for sure?

I am looking at the product, which NONE of you have seen. You all are just speculating. What about all the people who have called and gotten CONFIRMATION from SNK? Is that no longer valid because someone found a guy at SNK that has no knowledge of the English release?

These are just questions we need to be asking.

Comrade Porn King Mikhail · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by NeoLord:
I tried searching the board to find the page where Frog said to specifially contact Hiroshi Miyajima Can you help me find it?

BTW, we took Frog's advice and contacted SNK, but we spoke to someone that wasn't a 'lacky'.

It took me quite some time too and I thought that I had imagined it. The post appears on the second page of the new posts under DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL's topic of "THE REAL TRUTH EXPOSED!!!!!!!!" The post is somewhere near the bottom of the thread. The link is:
http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000367.html

I just do not understand the logistics of the matter, because if NGF-USA specifically knew they were lying and yet would still encourage people to call to find out the veracity of their statements, it would be a very poor attempt at a bluff.

Sincerely,

Kale

NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by Geddon_jt:
So Miyajima confirms that NGF is allowed to resell SNK consumer product. Maybe Miyajima claims that 'NGF' isn't official or whatever - did he explicitly say "we never printed an English version?"

Miyajima said SNK never now or ever will give NGF exlusive rights to anything because of Apple Photo Systems being their offical distributor. According to Miyajima, SNK never supplied any materials to NGF to aid them in this 'English' release. We have to see it from this perspective: the International Department usually deals with this sort of thing, and to think they have their heads up their asses is like saying Dion's been honest from the very beginning.

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NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by kiselgof:
It took me quite some time too and I thought that I had imagined it. The post appears on the second page of the new posts under DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL's topic of "THE REAL TRUTH EXPOSED!!!!!!!!" The post is somewhere near the bottom of the thread. The link is:
http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000367.html

I just do not understand the logistics of the matter, because if NGF-USA specifically knew they were lying and yet would still encourage people to call to find out the veracity of their statements, it would be a very poor attempt at a bluff.

Sincerely,

Kale

Ah! I understand now! Like we discovered: Dion isn't lying about the cart's authenticity (i.e. its an actual, honest-to-goodness SNK cart), and Miyajima acknowledges that NGF is selling
the cart in the U.S., but they never gave NGF permission or the official rights to produce
english inserts, manuals and stickers and then sell them as official SNK product. Basically this
is a double-edge sword: NGF wants people to call SNK -- they will tell you that NGF IS
selling KOF 2000 in America, but try asking questions like , "How can Apple Photo
Systems be your official U.S. distributor when NGF is?". Questions like this one will get you some good answers.

Thanks for helping me find the post, Kale!

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Comrade Porn King Mikhail · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by NeoLord:
Ah! I understand now! Like we discovered: Dion isn't lying about the cart's authenticity (i.e. its an actual, honest-to-goodness SNK cart), and Miyajima acknowledges that NGF is selling
the cart in the U.S., but they never gave NGF permission or the official rights to produce
english inserts, manuals and stickers and then sell them as official SNK product. Basically this
is a double-edge sword: NGF wants people to call SNK -- they will tell you that NGF IS
selling KOF 2000 in America, but try asking questions like , "How can Apple Photo
Systems be your official U.S. distributor when NGF is?". Questions like this one will get you some good answers.

Thanks for helping me find the post, Kale!

Man, everyone is playing with fire here because every single one of these posts can be interpreted in a variety of ways. I agree with your analysis here and that is indeed one possibility. However, when I called, I did not speak with Mr. Mijayima, nor did I speak with a lackey. After two people, I was finally directed to a person with knowledge about KOF2000 AES and with English-language capabilities as that is what I asked for. The person specifically said that:

1) There is an English version of KOF2000
2) Inquiries should be made to NGF-USA, her direct quote was something like "do you know of company called Neo Geo Freak?"
3) I asked if NGF had any other rights to English games other than KOF2000, like say Metal Slug 3, she said NO, only KOF2000.

I do not understand why different people would give different answers. I will be able to post physical proof tomorrow once I see both the US and Japanese cart side by side. Afterwards, I intend to make at least two calls to SNK-Japan, one to Mr. Mijayima and one through the direct line again in hopes of talking to the same lady. I STRONGLY URGE other parties to help out in this decision by calling. It only takes a couple of dollars to shed light on the whole situation.

Sincerely,

Kale

Force · Dec 27, 2000

Miyajima claims they didn't supply anything to NGF to do the US release of KoF2000, yet NGF did a simul release of a full US cart (complete with manual, insert, and cart sticker). Also note the US insert is the same style as the japanese insert. OK. There are 2 things that are possible now. 1) The US Kof2000 cart is official ...or... 2) The US Kof2000 cart is fake. Let's assume this cart is fake for a minute. That means SNK had to send NGF the material to make this cart sometime in advance ( it took NGF weeks to make their US slug 3 insert. An insert + full manaul would take NGF a year I think

) This right here makes Miyajima seem unreliable to me.

Matt

NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

We'll see what happens!

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NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by Force:
Miyajima claims they didn't supply anything to NGF to do the US release of KoF2000, yet NGF did a simul release of a full US cart (complete with manual, insert, and cart sticker). Also note the US insert is the same style as the japanese insert. OK. There are 2 things that are possible now. 1) The US Kof2000 cart is official ...or... 2) The US Kof2000 cart is fake. Let's assume this cart is fake for a minute. That means SNK had to send NGF the material to make this cart sometime in advance ( it took NGF weeks to make their US slug 3 insert. An insert + full manaul would take NGF a year I think

) This right here makes Miyajima seem unreliable to me.

Matt

Ah! But the first NGF KOF 2000 on Ebay didn't use the landscape cover. This appeared on NGF's version of KOF 2000 after SNK released the Jap version. If they (NGF) were official, why didn't they have access to the landscape cover from the very beginning?

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NeoLord · Dec 27, 2000

Originally posted by Force:
Miyajima claims they didn't supply anything to NGF to do the US release of KoF2000, yet NGF did a simul release of a full US cart (complete with manual, insert, and cart sticker). Also note the US insert is the same style as the japanese insert. OK. There are 2 things that are possible now. 1) The US Kof2000 cart is official ...or... 2) The US Kof2000 cart is fake. Let's assume this cart is fake for a minute. That means SNK had to send NGF the material to make this cart sometime in advance ( it took NGF weeks to make their US slug 3 insert. An insert + full manaul would take NGF a year I think

) This right here makes Miyajima seem unreliable to me.

Matt

Think about it! He had it available at launch.. what does Dion do for a living? AAhh! I took Frog up on his offer to call SNK and that was the reply I received.

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DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL · Dec 27, 2000

I HAVE BEEN WAGEING WAR ON NGF SINCE 97 WHEN THIS BIG BULLSHIT STARTED..I TEND TO BELEIVE NEO LORD ON THIS FARCE. IVE BEEN A SUBSCRIBER TO MANY OF HIS MAGS AND TEND TO BELIEVE THIS MAN KNOWS WHAT THE FK HE IS TALKING ABOUT.AS FOR APPLE THEY ARE THE ONLY US DISTRUBUTERS OF THINGS SNK..YOU ALL ARE STUPID BEYOND BELIEF.....SUCKERS SUCKERS SUCKERS!!!!!!!!THE SHIT IS A SCAM! REALIZE THIS,WAKE UP AND WONDER WHY YOU ARE SO STUPID TO HAVE FALLEN AND LOST YOUR MONEY....IDIOTS

Mike · Dec 27, 2000

Ahmen.

Nostromo · Dec 27, 2000

I still don`t know what dion does for a living.

Silent_Scope · Dec 27, 2000

Nuff said.
Only buy Japanese Cart/CD/System and trust no one when dealing with SNK/NeoGeo products. Period.

hupplark_39 · Dec 27, 2000

DSD you are right in beleiving Neolord, cause he and i go back a long time and one thing he isn't is a liar or a bullshiter period. if he is given info he is telling everyone here to open their eyes. the trouble here is simple everyone is at eachother's throats and don't know who to believe. my advice is regroup hupplark_39

Caris Nautilus · Dec 27, 2000

Well I think its clear now that dion is selling Japanese KOF 2k carts with printed inserrts and manuals he made.

He did a great job, But its nice to know they arent real. The "Only 100 made" number was always a bit suspicious, Since I don't see SNK ever making just a run of 100. I don't think any game company would make a run that low.

Until I hear someone from SNK japan confirm the realness of Dions cart on their webpage it's just a homemade USA version.

If its true and Dion made the book and insert then he is REALLY geting delusional now, He must think he invented neogeo, lol

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chimpmeister · Dec 27, 2000

OK, the "English" KOF2K is a high-quality fake, and thats the end of it.

Case closed.

Can we move on to more interesting topics? I mean, after all, most people here already got their Jap KOF2K carts and the issue is irrelevant anyway . . . almost no one here would be foolish enough to pay Dion and Chris the ridiculous $600 price tag for their "English" cart, anyway . . .

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