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NickD
08-26-2002, 11:57 PM
I've read that Clark will be getting a new move called the Shinning Wizard and some people are even claiming that this will prove his superiority in KOF. Honestly, I've seen the move (well not from KOF but from a wrestling game FPW-D) and I'm not impressed especially when you have the running powerbomb and 3x argentina back breaker + DVD as DM and the Clark's Lift and DDT. Do you think that he should have got something more extreme than a running knee, although if Eolith can draw it to an awesome animation it's going to look great. Btw, any one else getting new moves? Also, what moves were removed from Clark to add this one if any.

And yes, I've been living under a rock the past 6 months trying to setup my new career so I didn't have a lot of time on my hands ;) .

Tora Kouhi
08-27-2002, 12:35 AM
I remember Vannessa has a new move, One of Beni's old moves returns,

I got to read up on the other changes again.

SPINMASTER X
08-27-2002, 01:47 AM
Clark is the best grappler of all time and thats final. No debating.

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: SPINMASTER X ]</p>

NickD
08-27-2002, 03:04 AM
Spinmaster, with my sig, you really think I'll disagree with you ;) . Although the Ikari Team has always been my favorite, I appreciate Clark a lot more since KOF 99 especially because of his running tackle.

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: NickD ]</p>

Fran
08-27-2002, 08:01 AM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong> No debating.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

goro '98


nuff said

SPINMASTER X
08-27-2002, 11:03 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

goro '98


nuff said</strong><hr></blockquote>

DAMMIT FRAN!!!!

98 doesn't count, its a dream match......... :p <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

Anyway, I was also happy to find clark had a new move. Unlike you i don't have even the slightest clue as to what it looks like but who cares, as long as it works and i get to grab somebody then i'm all good, heh(i just love grapplers).

I just wanna know, whats up with the name "Shining Wizard"? The name itself doesn't sound like a grappling move, it sounds more like a damn Gaurdian Force for Final Fantasy or something.

p.s. Fran, tha was unnecessary to mention Goro dammit.

rarehero
08-27-2002, 11:10 AM
clark is shit without his frankensteiner
they totally fucked it up in 2001.

Fran
08-27-2002, 11:15 AM
goro 98 is just the strongest,cheapest grappler ever created

all my friends use him and ive had enough

personally,
i prefer shermie and ralf

( hes not a grappler alright but he does have a grab and its so easy and abusable i just love to annoy people with it )

clark is still damn strong in 98 cos you cant stop him,not even with a sweep,when hes running forawrd to grab you

AND that frankesteiner wins against so many dm's

blah

FINAL SHOWDOWN
08-27-2002, 11:22 AM
They should give clark like the razors edge. Now that would be the best throw ever.

Stephane
08-27-2002, 02:33 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

goro '98


nuff said</strong><hr></blockquote>

shermie 98 is the best grappler :)

clark 2001 he s the same now , do that faster , like shermie. only i doesnt understand why iori 2001 got a soo big priority in that.

Fran
08-27-2002, 02:37 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Stephane:
<strong>

shermie 98 is the best grappler :)

</strong><hr></blockquote>

the best grappler EVER created is goro :)

goro 98 is simply TOO MUCH

NickD
08-28-2002, 01:30 AM
[quote]Originally posted by FINAL SHOWDOWN:
<strong>They should give clark like the razors edge. Now that would be the best throw ever.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope that's a joke because Clark's running powerbomb is already more devastating than a razor's edge (which is a crucifix powerbomb btw).

About the move name, don't ask me why the Japanese comes up with names like this for wrestling moves but this is really how it's called. You can also call it a running knee to the face ;) . Here's a link that might be helpful if you haven't seen the move...
<a href="http://fpwd2k.gswf.org/shiningwizard.MPG" target="_blank">Clark's new move done in Fire Pro Wrestling D on the Dreamcast</a>

It might take a minute or 2 to see the move but honestly, I don't think it's worth any of Clark's already awesome repertoire!

NickD
08-28-2002, 01:33 AM
About Goro, wasn't he just a traditional Japanese character with his wooden sandals ;) . I always love fighting against him with Clark because seeing the DM connecting on such a big guy is quite awesome but I'll admit that Goro is a great grappler too... A bunch of my kicks with Ralf got me ended up on my back a couple of times.

J' Kusanagi
08-28-2002, 02:10 AM
Clarks ok I guess. Shermie 98 owns and sales clark's ass for cheap!

SPINMASTER X
08-28-2002, 03:48 PM
Shermie ain't shit compared to clark.

10 in 2010
08-28-2002, 03:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>Shermie ain't shit compared to clark.</strong><hr></blockquote>

preach it brother!

SPINMASTER X
08-28-2002, 04:03 PM
Hell yeah 10in2010!!!!

Man i just looked at that little clip of the Shining Wizard and that has the be the gayest move of all time. OH well, it isn't like Clark needed a new move, his arsenal already makes everybody his bitch.

FINAL SHOWDOWN
08-28-2002, 05:45 PM
[quote]Originally posted by NickD:
<strong>

I hope that's a joke because Clark's running powerbomb is already more devastating than a razor's edge (which is a crucifix powerbomb btw).

About the move name, don't ask me why the Japanese comes up with names like this for wrestling moves but this is really how it's called. You can also call it a running knee to the face ;) . Here's a link that might be helpful if you haven't seen the move...
<a href="http://fpwd2k.gswf.org/shiningwizard.MPG" target="_blank">Clark's new move done in Fire Pro Wrestling D on the Dreamcast</a>

It might take a minute or 2 to see the move but honestly, I don't think it's worth any of Clark's already awesome repertoire!</strong><hr></blockquote>

nope i wasnt jokeing.... :[

I think the razors edge is one of the coolest wrestling moves ever. Looks better then a power bomb. as amatter of fact i like to think of it as a cooler version of a power bomb.

rarehero
08-28-2002, 06:43 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>Shermie ain't shit compared to clark.</strong><hr></blockquote>

clark doesnt have an overhead
;)
her CD is good for throwing off people when theyre getting up too.

Atro
08-28-2002, 06:55 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

the best grappler EVER created is goro :)

goro 98 is simply TOO MUCH</strong><hr></blockquote>

YES but...

OK, Pick Ryo and do the following move --&gt; + A. Ryo will do a cut punch from above and Goro will try to grab Ryo. The Ryo punch will simply kick the ass of Goro.

By the way... Goro moves damage much more than Clark ones. nuff said. :rolleyes:

SPINMASTER X
08-28-2002, 07:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by rarehero:
<strong>

clark doesnt have an overhead
;)
her CD is good for throwing off people when theyre getting up too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Clark's Frankenstiener is great for opponents who are getting up, heh. :p

K9999
08-28-2002, 08:08 PM
I think SPINMASTER X said it best in one of his previous threads...

[quote]Clark &gt; everyone, including j0o<hr></blockquote>

SPINMASTER X
08-28-2002, 08:34 PM
Thank you K9999.

I don't mean to toot my own horn but the phrase:

Clark &gt; everyone, including j0o

is words of wisdom. Memorize it, write it down whatever, just make sure you know its true.

NickD
08-28-2002, 09:14 PM
Too bad KOF isn't a team game or Spinmaster and I would be a great duo (Him -&gt; Clark, Me -&gt; Ralf).

I should go back playing KOF 98 to see what Shermie can do. But honestly, is there really a weak character in KOF? What I mean is that do you think SNK did some characters to do more damages than others. I know it sounds obvious but the reason I'm asking is because a bad Clark player can make the impression that he is not as good as Shermie who would be picked by a better one. I've been an Ikari Team player only. I know I'm probably missing a lot on the other players but they (Ikari) control my mind to select them each and everytime I opened up my arcade... what's wrong with me <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

SPINMASTER X
08-28-2002, 09:22 PM
If KOF was 2 on 2 like the the Marvel vs Series before MvC2 then me and NickD would be the ultimate team of Ownage!!! I think this equation pretty much sums it up:

A = Spinmaster X

B = Nick D

A x B = AB

Ralf + Clark = AB &gt; jo0

take that to your algebra professor and see what he says about that, heh.

Earthquake
08-28-2002, 11:01 PM
Zangief used to be my favorite 2D fighter/grappler of all time. That is until I played my first KOF a few years ago which was '99. After playing with Clark, I realized that Zangief was simply pathetic. In all reality, he only has 3 moves which is extremely sad. It wasn't until I played CvsSNK 1 though that I realized the greatness of SNK grapplers. Compared to Raiden's arsenal of killer wrestling maneuvers, Zangief was nothing but a joke. Raiden's gut punch into a side belly-to-belly suplex was far better than anything I had ever seen the Gief man do before.

SNK grapplers forever!

SPINMASTER X
08-28-2002, 11:02 PM
Yup, unfortunately Capcom doesn't really give a damn about grappler type characters.

ShikiMikoto
08-28-2002, 11:25 PM
I prefer Zangief to Raiden anyday. But you're right, Spinmaster, Capcom hasn't been doing anything with grapplers at all lately...maybe except for Haggar in this upcoming 3-D game...but he's old news...

I personally think Shermie's more intersting than Clark, but Clark is more...um...what's the word...flamboyant? I dunno..."better moves than Shermie" type-word...I hate to use "better" for some reason... <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

btw, spinmaster, for your sig, why don't you get that gif of Mukuro from LB2 pointing and laughing from Gamegen? He's a good one. :D

[ August 28, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]</p>

SPINMASTER X
08-29-2002, 12:09 AM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong>I prefer Zangief to Raiden anyday. But you're right, Spinmaster, Capcom hasn't been doing anything with grapplers at all lately...maybe except for Haggar in this upcoming 3-D game...but he's old news...

I personally think Shermie's more intersting than Clark, but Clark is more...um...what's the word...flamboyant? I dunno..."better moves than Shermie" type-word...I hate to use "better" for some reason... <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

btw, spinmaster, for your sig, why don't you get that gif of Mukuro from LB2 pointing and laughing from Gamegen? He's a good one. :D

[ August 28, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I made a topic at Gamefaqs about Capcom and Grapplers called "Capcom and SNK: A grappler question" and it turned into a damn good topic with capcom fans and SNK fans participating with not one flame at all! It was excellent and we came to the conclusion that capcom just doesn't seem to care about grappler type characters seeing as they have so few grapplers and the few they do are usually similar to each other with less diversity and mid tier and take a bit more skill to use. Damn i wish it was still up cuz i'd post a link.

Oh i don't think i could put up another sprite in my sig cuz people with dial-up may complain it is too big then that damn Judge Dredd would moderate my sig and i don't wanna jeopardize it cuz i don't mean to toot my own horn but my sig is one of the coolest here, hehehe. Thanks for the heads up about that sprite though! If i make an new sig i'll probably use it.

EDIT: oh yea and I prefer 'Gief too even though he only has a couple moves, hehehe. I just can not dislike like him, i mean he is the father of all grapplers and grapplers are my favorite characters.

[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: SPINMASTER X ]</p>

ShikiMikoto
08-29-2002, 12:22 AM
Yeah, seriously, basically Zangief, T. Hawk, haggar and Darun and Hugo (hardly) are pretty much Capcom's main grapplers...R. Mika's a pathetic excuse for a wrestler IMHO...

Yeah, and with your sig...Billy doesn't look like he's laughing...but that's just me...do what you want, it's your sig, anyway... :cool:

K9999
08-29-2002, 12:31 AM
People used to make fun of me for using Zangief when SFII came out, I was the only person down at my arcade to use him. They all said he was useless, slow, and no fun.

Then I always finished my win with a Spinning Piledriver just to show them off :D

SPINMASTER X
08-29-2002, 12:36 AM
Can't forget Alex! Alex is my favorite capcom grappler! Out of all Capcom grapplers i'd say Alex was a good job on their part cuz he can be used like a grappler and like a regular striker char cuz of his diverse arsenal. Alex is almost good enough to hold up against SNK's good grapplers. And you are right, R.Mika is a joke. She is a grappler with like almost zero priority in her grabs which makes absolutely no sense at all. If she had say Clark's priority then R.Mika would be a monster!!! Too bad Capcom doesn't care much for grapplers.

Ironically alot of people say Billy Kane is what makes them laugh about my sig.

SPINMASTER X
08-29-2002, 12:38 AM
[quote]Originally posted by K9999:
<strong>People used to make fun of me for using Zangief when SFII came out, I was the only person down at my arcade to use him. They all said he was useless, slow, and no fun.

Then I always finished my win with a Spinning Piledriver just to show them off :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

You rule, and thats all that can be said. :D

ShikiMikoto
08-29-2002, 12:51 AM
[quote]And you are right, R.Mika is a joke. She is a grappler with like almost zero priority in her grabs which makes absolutely no sense at all. If she had say Clark's priority then R.Mika would be a monster!!! Too bad Capcom doesn't care much for grapplers.
Ironically alot of people say Billy Kane is what makes them laugh about my sig<hr></blockquote>

Yep. R. Mika was the (or at least one of the) biggest mistake[s] of Capcom. Really a dumb creation...

As for Billy, yeah, I can see that, actually...

I forgot about Alex! He was pretty decent...I haven't played SF3 in a while now since I got a bit disgusted with capcom...

NickD
08-29-2002, 12:58 AM
One thing about Clark that bugs me however. He doesn't have the ability to break a move like Blue Mary or Goro does (ie turning a kick from the opponent into a leg lock). That's his only flaw in my book. I also like the story SNK wrote about his character, like the fact that he wears shade because he doesn't want to see the sun no more.

SPINMASTER X
08-29-2002, 01:04 AM
Clark is like the Ryu of grapplers. He has the personality of a tree yet he is so well liked by many, also even though his attire looks basic he is still cool as ever! Damn those shades and that glove are just badass.

SNKJorge
08-29-2002, 01:08 AM
I also agree with you SPIN Clark all the way, Shermie is nothing compare to Clark.

ShikiMikoto
08-29-2002, 01:23 AM
I actually was pretty bad with Clark until 2000...Now he's pretty useful when I use him more and more...

NickD
08-29-2002, 01:38 AM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong>I actually was pretty bad with Clark until 2000...Now he's pretty useful when I use him more and more...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Clark is a character that you must get used to. You'll get beat up a bunch of times at first but practice makes better. One day, you'll be unbeatable :)

SPINMASTER X
08-29-2002, 01:58 AM
[quote]Originally posted by NickD:
<strong>

Clark is a character that you must get used to. You'll get beat up a bunch of times at first but practice makes better. One day, you'll be unbeatable :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

yes this is true. I remember the first time i tried clark i could hardly remember his commands for throws and i'd always get whooped up by my brother and friends(even by my scrubby friends) then gradually by listening to other people around here and looking at various FAQ's on grapplers i learned how to play grapplers and it came to the point where some of my friends refused to play me if i used Clark.

SNKFreak
08-29-2002, 04:09 AM
Bah! You all know nothing! EIJI IS THE BEST GRAPPLER!!....... Well... if he WAS a grappler he'd be the best, and you all know it! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

Stupid freggin Eolith and Gaymore... no Eiji or Geese..... Good thing my two slot has AOF2 and RealBout in it.......

Edit : And oh yeah, about Capcom. They don't really care about grapplers because they only have 2 big fighting games. They have the SF series (fireballs are king) and the VS series. Playing their other (better) fighters like Darkstalkers is a much better game to compare. Every character has at least one grappling move in that game, and Anakaris is a really interesting and unique grappler. SNK on the other hand always has different things going on. Their games are more balanced, therefore the fans need constant improvements and all kinds of new things to stay interested. Take KOF for example, the hero team ALWAYS has a grappler in it. And even Goro, who was in 5 consecutive KOF games, always played differently in each one. You can't expect A fireball based company to compare to a variety of creative characters. Half of Kyos moves are defensive, none of Ryus even come close.... hadoken hadoken shoryuken will always equal a win :\

[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: SNKFreak ]</p>

Fran
08-29-2002, 06:07 AM
as i said before,
goro is THE grappler

shermie can be really deadly
and clark is very annoying when used properly

its just a shame i cant play some kof 98 with you guys

because know what,you lot dissin shermie?

id make you change your minds

SNKFreak
08-29-2002, 01:02 PM
Goro is THE grappler, but you gotta admit that Clark is sometimes more fun to use.

Fran
08-29-2002, 02:35 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SNKFreak:
<strong>Goro is THE grappler, but you gotta admit that Clark is sometimes more fun to use.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well its about personal preferences,really

my friends use goro and they like him a lot,
its good fun for em

me,personally,i dont like him

same can be said for clark

i prefer shermie or vice


both excellent grapplers :)

goro is still the strongest fighter in kof 98

no doubt about that

Spike Spiegel 2.0
08-29-2002, 02:40 PM
I would agree with Spin, as I usually tend to do. Clark's the best grappling character I've ever seen. Goro's good... don't get me wrong. Hell, some have seen my Goro and know I'm good with him, but Clark is just insane. And to think they're giving him ANOTHER move that's supposed to be very good? What in the holy hell are they thinking? I mean, I say bring it on, but is it really fair for the other chars? There I go, thinking video game characters have feelings again.

Clark = pimp.
Spike

Fran
08-29-2002, 02:46 PM
a good clark player hasnt got a chance against a good daimon player

SNKFreak
08-29-2002, 03:12 PM
Vice rocks O_O! I cant believe I forgot about her. Goro has way more counters than Clark has, he's kind of a Clark and Kasumi combined, not to mention you can link his throws from his counters, then his DM from the throws..... AND HE HAS A LITTLE KID... WHO ROLLS!! O_O

SPINMASTER X
08-29-2002, 03:33 PM
Okay Okay Fran, we know good and well about 98 Daimon but this is a Clark Topic! Why are you so admant about pushing the fact Daimon is a monster in 98, we all know this! Did your friends put Goro on you so good that it has scarred you for life? j/k, all fun and games!

OH MY GOSH Can it be!?!?!?!?! Spike is back!!!!! An upgraded Spike Spiegel, v.2.0!!! Man i could hug you(with clark's SAB)!! I knew you'd be back.

SPINMASTER X
08-29-2002, 03:35 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>If KOF was 2 on 2 like the the Marvel vs Series before MvC2 then me and NickD would be the ultimate team of Ownage!!! I think this equation pretty much sums it up:

A = Spinmaster X

B = Nick D

A x B = AB

Ralf + Clark = AB &gt; jo0

take that to your algebra professor and see what he says about that, heh.</strong><hr></blockquote>

just in case ya'll didn't catch it the first time <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> :D <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> :D

Takumaji
08-29-2002, 03:59 PM
[quote]Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
<strong> [...] I personally think Shermie's more intersting than Clark, but Clark is more...um...what's the word...flamboyant? I dunno..."better moves than Shermie" type-word...I hate to use "better" for some reason... <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Clark is a trained fighter and deadly and all, but Shermie is both a good grappler and versatile, because I think she wasn't really meant as a grappling chara.

This broad range of possibilites is what I miss when I play with Clark, or with Goro, while he is more powerful.

Spike Spiegel 2.0
08-29-2002, 04:21 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>a good clark player hasnt got a chance against a good daimon player</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh on paper, or in one's mind you can say these things... but what? Who's the best Goro player you've ever met? And who's the best Clark? Let's face it, we can talk theory all day.

Chances are, the best Clark player IS the best Goro player. I stand by Clark, no matter how unable I am to prove it.

Spin, not upgraded so much. My account was deleted, but not enough to take my old name back, I guess.

Spike

Kid Aphex
08-29-2002, 04:45 PM
Good to see you back Spike!


spam,
ray

Fran
08-29-2002, 06:19 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Spike Spiegel 2.0:
<strong>

Oh on paper, or in one's mind you can say these things... but what? Who's the best Goro player you've ever met? And who's the best Clark? Let's face it, we can talk theory all day.

Chances are, the best Clark player IS the best Goro player. I stand by Clark, no matter how unable I am to prove it.

Spin, not upgraded so much. My account was deleted, but not enough to take my old name back, I guess.

Spike</strong><hr></blockquote>

true
its just words we type and words we read on a screen
but this is a bbs,so not much choice eh?
i mean,
I WOULD LOVE to invite you here to play some kof
because i really believe in what i wrote
i think i know some GREAT kof players
clark / daimon / orochi yashiro / shermie / vice users
all the grapplers basically ( talking about 98 here )
and i think i know a thing or two about kof
i think i am a GOOD player
we have been playing 98 for the past 4 years almost non stop
and my friend has just gotten back from japan and he could beat many jap kof players
so i really believe what i wrote aint bullshit
it aint just theory

of course,you're free to disagree

yeah,its just a bbs after all :)

Spike Spiegel 2.0
08-29-2002, 08:42 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>Good to see you back Spike!


spam,
ray</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks Ray. ;)
Spike

Fran
08-30-2002, 05:34 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Spike Spiegel 2.0:
<strong>

Thanks Ray. ;)
Spike</strong><hr></blockquote>

i wrote all that stuff above and you ignoring it?

awww

anticlimatic

Spike Spiegel 2.0
08-30-2002, 08:57 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

i wrote all that stuff above and you ignoring it?

awww

anticlimatic</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL!

Of course I read it... but, I cannot add anything more to it I'm afraid. We can talk the talk and walk the walk (by ourselves) all day and fantasize at who's better, but we may never really be able to prove who's the best once and for all. ;)

Spike