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Fygee
08-24-2002, 02:59 AM
From here.

<a href="http://home.catv.ne.jp/hh/bros/main.html" target="_blank">http://home.catv.ne.jp/hh/bros/main.html</a>

A very rough translation was posted on the MMCafe message boards.

there's something like an original combo. All the gauge is used, you can cancel normal or special you couldn't cancel normaly. The sites gives a short example that already uses 8/10 of the opponent's life.
NFT have their Orochi form.
Terry has a kŻ cancel power charge infinite
Shingo pops in like in KOF 98
The Benimaru Coreder is back.
The slayer (??? slier???) of Kula is a close range moove ?
Her Shining Wizard in "too much" (what? too much powerfull? too easy to use? too ugly?)
Vanessa has "forbidden eagle" (?)
K9999 has a new moove, 214K "kudakero!" (I never was used to the japanese use ofnumbers... I gess it's "down-back kick")
Chris CD attack changed
Leona becomes berserk when she looses her energy (GOOD!)

Kid Aphex
08-24-2002, 03:24 AM
Awesome! Thanks for the intel!


Hopefully more news'll roll in slowly!
Mmmmm, new K9999 moves...


peace,
ray

Fygee
08-24-2002, 03:41 AM
Here's also another possible official character list reported today from here. I don't read a word of Japanese, so enlighen us on anything else it might say.

<a href="http://aoi.sakura.ne.jp/~tcs/tayan/kof02/waza/" target="_blank">http://aoi.sakura.ne.jp/~tcs/tayan/kof02/waza/</a>

Japan team
Kyo Benimaru Daimon

Fatal Fury team
Terry Andy Joe

Art of Fighting team
Ryo Robert Takuma

Angry team (??)
Leona Ralf Clark

Psycho Soldier team
Athena Kensou Chin

Women's team
Mai Yuri May-Lee

Korea team
Kim Chang Choi

'96 team
Iori Mature Vice

'97 team
Mary Yamazaki Billy

'98 team
Yashiro Shermie Chris

'99 team
K' Maxima Whip

2000 team
Vanessa Ramon Seth

2001 team
Kula K9999 Angel

Its bad enough Foxy and Xia***ei aren't in it, but I swear to god, if King isn't in there, blood will spill. No Eiji either.

Ran Thrie
08-24-2002, 03:45 AM
yay me likes already. Terry with an infinite...good jeez. At least i'll be able to use Beni again. Cancels...yumyum combos cant wait.

PoOF!
((Shinobi Vanish))

edit: I hope those arent the final teams. there are some major charas missin that i dont even have to mention. It seems there was a big cut to return some of those old favs. Worth it imo but then agian I love the New Face team. No more Bao disgracing my screen.

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Ran Thrie ]</p>

Kid Aphex
08-24-2002, 03:54 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fygee:
<strong>2001 team
Kula K9999 Angel

</strong><hr></blockquote>

MERRY CHRISTMAS RAY!


peace,
ray

RabbitTroop
08-24-2002, 04:18 AM
OK, Chang and Choi need to go.. I have had it. They suck, I hate looking at them, I hate playing them... I use to just love to beat the shit out of Chang.. now his "roar roar roarrr" bugs me to no end.... HATE THEM

-Nick

Solidus Snake
08-24-2002, 04:20 AM
WTF?! NO KING? WOW! May-Lee doesn't DESERVE to be in a dream match. She just debuted in KOF 2001 and she took the spot of my favorite Korean teammate Jhun. Now shes taking the spot of a KOF veteran? HELL NO! I think the Eolith gone crazy with May Lee. Shes one of those characters they made a long time ago and now that she has a chance they won't let her go. If shes in Jhun better be a hidden character. :mad:

takuman
08-24-2002, 04:21 AM
more photos and more information please
please
please

I can t wait for see for 2k2 y buy this mvs.
<img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" /> <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" /> <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" /> <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" />

Fran
08-24-2002, 04:22 AM
sigh

no eiji or geese

i am SO SO SO SO SO disappointed

you guys have no idea...
we will never see eiji again...its over

at least geese will be in snk vs capcom

but eiji?

go to hell,playmore

anyway,
just talked to my friend,hes been there

told me he had to wait for 2 hours to get in

and yes,he basically told me all the stuff you guys have posted

may lee instead of king

leona instead of heidern

yama is good old 98 sprite

same for the orochi team,and you can use both versions ( normal and orochi )

and yes,orochi yashiro is still as lethal as in 98 ( so he isnt toned down like goro in 2001 )

what else? yes,orochi leona...pfff

kim new stance is cool as fuck,
and he hates kim so it must be good

oh i asked him about backgrounds

better than the ones in 2001 but...erm...think i heard the word "pre rendered" or something

hmmm,hope i didnt get that right

Kid Aphex
08-24-2002, 04:30 AM
pre-rendered huh? Wow...weird. I hope not. Thanks for a confirmation Fran.

I feel your pain [no geese <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" /> ]

peace,
ray

Ran Thrie
08-24-2002, 04:32 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Solidus Snake:
<strong>WTF?! NO KING? WOW! May-Lee doesn't DESERVE to be in a dream match. She just debuted in KOF 2001 and she took the spot of my favorite Korean teammate Jhun. Now shes taking the spot of a KOF veteran? HELL NO! I think the Eolith gone crazy with May Lee. Shes one of those characters they made a long time ago and now that she has a chance they won't let her go. If shes in Jhun better be a hidden character. :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with you 100% this just makes no sense.
King is a KOF super Vetern.

Fygee
08-24-2002, 04:44 AM
I'm just curious as to what kind of weird, insane impulse that made them take out King?

...she wasn't one of the 3 voted out.....was she? o_O

Solidus Snake
08-24-2002, 04:52 AM
Notice how they manage to get the entire Korean team into this game. Hell,all the new KOF 2001 characters are in this game except for the bosses.

Kid Aphex
08-24-2002, 04:53 AM
This is going to be blasphemy...but...

I hate king. thank god they dumped the bitch.


:)
ray

The True Warrior
08-24-2002, 04:58 AM
K9999 is also reported to be the Mid-Boss of the game! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" />

I also have a friend who's at the beta testing, and luckily, since he's Japanese, he'll let us all in on the (albeit disappointing) info!

Fygee
08-24-2002, 05:00 AM
You're one of the very few that do Kid Aphex. Your loss. ;)

*preps nuclear strike on Eolith's homebase of operations*

Jae Rock
08-24-2002, 05:03 AM
KoF Online has info very similar to this, which makes me believe it's a pretty reliable source. K9999 will be a midboss, in a new mutated form(K9999 is one of my favorite characters, this will be kickass), and Rugal is supposed to be the final boss! I don't know about you, but I wanted Krizalid to be the new returning boss in dream matches, and each time he should be killed in some pathetic, cowardly way. If Rugal is back, he should have a whole new techno-zombie look and movement to him. That's my vision anyway.

First post, yay. Hope I enjoy my stay here.

k'_127
08-24-2002, 05:05 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Solidus Snake:
<strong>Notice how they manage to get the entire Korean team into this game. Hell,all the new KOF 2001 characters are in this game except for the bosses.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Foxy isn.t there .......

King , Eiji , Geese , Jhan ' I miss you <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

a new version of K9999 is the middle boss , Rugal ( <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> yes yes yes YES YES) is the final boss

let's hope for King , Eiji , Geese and Jhan

Kid Aphex
08-24-2002, 05:08 AM
[quote]Originally posted by The True Warrior:
<strong>K9999 is also reported to be the Mid-Boss of the game! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" />

I also have a friend who's at the beta testing, and luckily, since he's Japanese, he'll let us all in on the (albeit disappointing) info!</strong><hr></blockquote>

OMG K9999 as a SubBoss!!!! THis is just TOO PERFECT. Sign me up for the CART, immediately!


peace,
ray

Kid Aphex
08-24-2002, 05:10 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fygee:
<strong>You're one of the very few that do Kid Aphex. Your loss. ;)

*preps nuclear strike on Eolith's homebase of operations*</strong><hr></blockquote>

My....opinion. :)
not my loss
OPINION <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Solidus Snake
08-24-2002, 05:12 AM
[quote]Originally posted by k'_127:
<strong>

Foxy isn.t there .......

</strong><hr></blockquote>

She's not new as in appearance. She was around in KOF 2000.

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 05:31 AM
wow, what CRAP.

this 'dream match' is so bad it's not even funny.
how can they possible call it that when they add NO new characters, axe a load of existing ones and put crap like may lee in over jhun.

i bet they left eiji out to deliberately piss you off, Fran.

Devil_Gans
08-24-2002, 05:34 AM
I will reserve my opinion until i see the final version myself.Its still early.
There might be some changes.

Fran
08-24-2002, 05:46 AM
[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>
i bet they left eiji out to deliberately piss you off, Fran.</strong><hr></blockquote>

dont get me wrong

99,2000,and 2001 have disappointed me so much

i cant even be bothered,i have lost faith ya know

but no eiji....yeah,it pisses me off


that said,
2002 will be good

i dont give a shit about new sprites,new animations,new fighters

i mean,id LOVE to see something like that

but i'm realistic
there are only 25 or so people working on kof,
what can you expect?

shitloads changes like in 96 or 99?

cant happen,just cant happen

so 2002 will be good because its basically a slightly different 98

and i still play 98 almost every day

i'm just scared by that original combo thing

it will be too damaging? yes
will people learn how to abuse you with it? absolutely

so they wont realize its shit till the next dream match

year 2006 or something

and then they'll only replace it with something equally shit

why cant i have another SIMPLE 3 vs 3 kof?

WHY?

WHY?

and why no eiji?


arghhhhhhhhhhhhh :mad:

Takumaji
08-24-2002, 05:48 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

[...]

we will never see eiji again...its over

[...]

may lee instead of king

leona instead of heidern

[...]

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Woah, that's hard. No King, no Heidern, no Eiji. :(

My excitement has lowered a bit. I like May Lee (her design is cool too), but I'd take King over the 2k/2k1 ladies any day.

And... pre-rendered?! ...shiver... uh, now that's some rollercoaster ride, from Eiji and Geese to possibly pre-rendered backs and no King.

vishema
08-24-2002, 05:58 AM
Lats see if you like this pic! Click-&gt;<a href="http://www.planetps2.com/mmcafe/pics02/kof2002-inst.gif" target="_blank"> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> </a>

vishema
08-24-2002, 06:00 AM
[quote]Originally posted by vishema:
<strong>Lats see if you like this pic! Click-&gt;<a href="http://www.planetps2.com/mmcafe/pics02/kof2002-inst.gif" target="_blank"> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> </a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Athena has long hair again!! <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />

Takumaji
08-24-2002, 06:10 AM
[quote]Originally posted by vishema:
<strong>Lats see if you like this pic! Click-&gt;<a href="http://www.planetps2.com/mmcafe/pics02/kof2002-inst.gif" target="_blank"> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> </a></strong><hr></blockquote>

So, this might be the final proof.

...and do I spot another K' cover there??

Not again, pleez.

Fygee
08-24-2002, 06:14 AM
From what I've read, they've apparently turned Takuma into a Ryo clone now. His fireball is now that short ranged energy wave crapola, and his ranged kick (Hien Shippu Kyaku or however you spell it) functions exactly the same as Ryo's.

Smooth move there Eolith. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

And even though the art is in unshaded black and white, it looks god awful!! NO. MORE. NONA.

I get a feeling the in-game art and music are gonna be just as...ermm..."unique" as 2001.

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Fygee ]</p>

takuman
08-24-2002, 06:15 AM
thanks for the image
kof rules kof rules.
<img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" /> <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

takuman
08-24-2002, 06:17 AM
yes,takuma no have fireballs,
jajaj another ryo clone

<img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" />

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 06:21 AM
i'm getting the feeling that i wish they killed kof off after the nests saga.

dfx
08-24-2002, 06:27 AM
BAH DIRT

fcking art
fcking chara roster

these bastards dont hear on the
fans, so i dont buy eolith's crap anymore <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: dfx ]</p>

Takumaji
08-24-2002, 06:28 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fygee:
<strong>From what I've read, they've apparently turned Takuma into a Ryo clone now. His fireball is now that short ranged energy wave crapola, and his ranged kick (Hien Shippu Kyaku or however you spell it) functions exactly the same as Ryo's.

Smooth move there Eolith. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> [...] </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, noticed that too.

Seems like a plot to remove the last charge moves from the game, see the changes of Robert in 2k1.

At least they've put in Ryo's C Ko'ou Ken again. He's not the same without it.

Overkill Geyser
08-24-2002, 06:37 AM
It trips me out to listen to all of you rant and rave, 'cause we ALL know that as soon as the game hits, we're ALL gonna play it! I knew they were gonna find a way to keep May Lee in, but at the expense of King?? That was an eye-raiser. I woul've thought that at the very least, it'd be her, Jhun, and someone else...

Oh well... it's just a dream (nightmare?) match... nothing to do with the official story... which is a large part of why I love KOF so much. And as far as Eiji goes... I guess Iori must've put the fear of God in him back in '95...! I mean, Billy got the balls to get back on his feet...! Either that, or Geese cursed 'em out...

Billy: "Boss... I don't wanna go out there..."

Geese: "Billy, stop your bitch-ass whining! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> You were a sub-boss back in '92, for Christ's sake! COME ONNNN!"

Billy: "No way! Forget it! You can't make me!!"

Geese: "Wanna bet?! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> THUNDER BREAK!!!"

Fygee
08-24-2002, 06:44 AM
Well, they could've changed the input without changing the function of the move.

I think its more of a plot to get rid of characters with fireball moves. It seems like each year there's less characters with them.

toy_brain
08-24-2002, 07:16 AM
Given that May-lee is one of the deepest, most complex fighters in KoF2001 (with multiple scances, DIY combos and the like) it's no supprise that Eolith wern't about to drop her from the line up.
Lets face it, now that Eolith have the KoF licence we can all probably expect some pretty big changes over the next fiew years. I would not be supprised if this is just the start of them axing the more long standing characters.
Anyway - why is everyone so upset that King has gone? She's been in that many KoF games, so if you really want to play as King, just go back to an earlier game!

I'll admit that I'd be pretty annoyed if they axed my favorate (Leona), but then I'd just find a new favorate character to master. its not like there arn't enough of them to choose from!

Like they said in the last game "Tradition's for Chumps"

Megatron X
08-24-2002, 07:30 AM
NO FUCKING KING? :eek:

There has to be an error there somewhere. King has been in mainly all King of Fighter games and she's NOT going to be in this one?? What the Fuck <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> ?

This is bullshit I tell you. BULLSHIT.

I guess my team is going to be Terry, Iori, & Angel.

Fuck you Eolith <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> !

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Megatron X ]</p>

Kid Aphex
08-24-2002, 07:35 AM
Everyone's a baby. Would you all like some cheese with your whine?


Of course, there's no way everyone's going to be satisfised; why complain? you all sound way too spoiled!

anyways, eolith has us all worked. they piss us off, jerk us around, and change what they want...we're still going to buy the game :)

SonGohan
08-24-2002, 07:47 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>
kim new stance is cool as fuck,
and he hates kim so it must be good
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is it his stance from '95, or is it a completely new one? I hope it's the one from 95, or at least a cooler new one.

K9999
08-24-2002, 10:23 AM
K9999 has got a new move, I'm happy :D

ray_7
08-24-2002, 11:14 AM
Takuma, what in the blue hell have they done to you???

FeelGood
08-24-2002, 11:22 AM
by the way, it says that the NFT team turns intot he orochi team if you hold start while selecting the members. So both forms are there!

<a href="http://finito-web.com/earth/2002.htm" target="_blank">http://finito-web.com/earth/2002.htm</a>

Fran
08-24-2002, 11:23 AM
ok,here we go:

its a shame
what they been doing the past 10 months or so?
yama is ripped from 98
same for yashiro,shermie,chris
and same goes for billy,vice and mature
rugal will probably fight in his omega form ( another thing nicked from 98 )
so let me get it right
all the "NEW" fighters are fuckin recycled
its a sign of how grim the situation is
in 98,for example,when they added mature and vice again
they could have used sprites from 96
they didnt
it was a dream match but they put a lot of work into it


so mai regained her F,D,DF+ K move ( 98 )
so iori regained his lost SDM ( 98 / 99 )
and oh,lets dont forget orochi leona ( 97 )
is there something REALLY NEW in this game then?
what a damn shame


i was expecting a dream match with no new characters

fine

and so i thought meself:

"so they will improve all the stances,will redraw a few sprites,and they will add eiji and geese for sure"

hell,i sent about 12 mails voting for fuckin eiji !!!!!!

you know why they didnt add geese and eiji?

cos they couldnt rip those sprites from 95 and 96

its the sad,sad,sad truth

i just hope that original combo thing wont be cheap and abusable

but know what? ive heard that some people after playin for 5 minutes had already found how to inflict up to 80 % damage using it


F = VERY VERY VERY disappointed

and oh,they're still going to ask us 300 dollars and they have done NOTHING

they're blatently recycling stuff from 97 / 98 / 99 / 2000 and 2001

shame on you,eolith / playmore

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Fran ]</p>

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 11:24 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>ok,here we go:

1)
its a shame
what they been doing the past 10 months or so?
yama is ripped from 98
same for yashiro,shermie,chris
and goes for billy,vice and mature
rugal will probably fight in his omega form ( another thing nicked from 98 )
so let me get it right
all the "NEW" fighters are fuckin recycled
its a sign of how grim the situation is
in 98,for example,when they added mature and vice again
they could have used sprites from 96
they didnt
it was a dream match but they put a lot of work into it

2)
so mai regained her F,D,DF+ K move ( 98 )
so iori regained his lost SDM ( 98 / 99 )
and oh,lets dont forget orochi leona ( 97 )
is there something REALLY NEW in this game then?
what a damn shame


i was expecting a dream match with no new characters

fine

and so i thought meself:

"so they will improve all the stances,will redraw a few sprites,and they will add eiji and geese for sure"


hell,i sent about 12 mails voting for fuckin eiji !!!!!!


you know why they didnt add geese and eiji?

cos they couldnt rip those sprites from 95 and 96


its the sad,sad,sad truth


i just hope that original combo thing wont be cheap and abusable

but know what? ive heard that some people after playin for 5 minutes had already found how to inflict up to 80 % damage using it


F = VERY VERY VERY disappointed

and oh,they're still going to ask us 300 dollars and they have done NOTHING

shame on you,eolith / playmore</strong><hr></blockquote>


my sentiments exactly,my man.

JHendrix
08-24-2002, 11:32 AM
NO KING?!?!?! WTF?!?!? WHERE THE FUCK IS KING?!??!!?!??

This is such bullshit, where is my girl (Ryo be DAMNED!)?!??

King is the fuckin shit, I can't believe they kept her out of this one, I'm I'm fucking flabbergasted!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I want King in this game god damn it, KOF isn't the fucking same w/o her! I mean god damn I'll prolly buy it, but WHERE THE FUCK IS KING?!?!?!?

This is unforgivable, she's a fuckin god in KOF, she's been there for how long?? And you just DROP HER?

Playmore, I was so hoping for something smart on this one, WTF are you doing here!!?!?!

I swear to god if I see the person who decided to take her out I'm going to go over there and do a fucking Trap Shot myself!!!!

This....is like blasphemy....

Fran I need a hug... :(

<img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

-JHendrix

FeelGood
08-24-2002, 11:32 AM
http://www.samuraishodown.com/inst.jpg

Fran
08-24-2002, 11:38 AM
sorry jimi
i havent exactly wept about the absence of king

as i said before,
i'd cut about half of the cast

i mean,2003 will be the TENTH kof

ive had enough of people like choi & chang and many others

one thing is for sure though,
id rather keep king than may lee

cant stand her

cant stand that kind of fighters ( gen - jhun )

cgun
08-24-2002, 11:43 AM
haha, this is really fucking lame. This is what most of you wanted. KOF 98 with more old characters, remember the voting and stuff like that. And now you complain...

I want a KOF 98 with KOF 2001 system and NEW characters. But there wasn't many people supporting me...

Fran
08-24-2002, 11:50 AM
[quote]Originally posted by cgun:
<strong>This is what most of you wanted. KOF 98 with more old characters, remember the voting and stuff like that. And now you complain......</strong><hr></blockquote>

whatever,

you're missing the point

FeelGood
08-24-2002, 11:50 AM
whatever.

The king of fighters was always supposed to be about the old fighters from the best franchises SNK had. Then KoF became the best franchise, and so it lost focus.

That's why we don't have MotW characters in KoF - we have Terry Bogard and Ryo Sakazaki in the same game, so we can young Terry and Rock in the same game too.

Though I'd rather have the Dong, Jae, and Jhun on a team than that fucked up Nest crap (never liked Nests. It was halfbaked from the get go).

BIG BEAR
08-24-2002, 11:51 AM
We really don't need an elder version of Ryo..Why not give us a maturer version of Ryo ala Wild Ambition,dump Takuma and replace him with KING...?
No JHun? Damn,that was my man... He Pretty ;-D
Sorry Takuma Fans...
There must be a problem with ownership of the RIGHTS to use Geese or something because damn he is due to make an immortal appearance...
Like I said the original BAD TEAM from KOF 92' aka Fatal Fury!! Raiden,Billy and Geese!
It's a DREAM MATCH..come on GO WILD for a change!!
-BB

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]</p>

Real Bout Maniac
08-24-2002, 12:00 PM
First off, I've got to agree with just about everyone here when I say to Eolith: WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING BY AXING KING!!! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

Not only has she been a mainstay on my team since '96, well before she was even considered a monster (which first happened in '99 IIRC), but she's been in every single KoF up until now! How can you have a so-called "Dream Match" without her? Hell, the entire concept behind KoF was, for the most part, "Fatal Fury vs. Art of Fighting".

And now I hear that Takuma is basically a Ryo clone?! Hey, Eolith, if I wanted to play as Ryo I'd actually pick Ryo!!! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

I don't know...

Like Fran, all I wanted was a few new sprites/animations, maybe a new move here and there, and a KoF game I can actually have fun playing again (which hasn't happened since '98).

But now...

Who knows - maybe it'll be fun. Can't really get an idea of how it plays until some more beta reports start filtering in. But right now it doesn't look too promising...

P.S. - I liked Fran's character line-up better... <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

RiotoftheBlood
08-24-2002, 12:05 PM
This news has me pretty fucking happy so far... yeah it may suck that King was axed, but I for one won't lose any sleep over it. And so what if Vice and Mature are using the KOF '98 sprites? They were used for one game, so what do you expect? My only significant concern is the mention of pre-rendered backgrounds. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

You can't please everyone.

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: RiotoftheBlood ]</p>

SNKJorge
08-24-2002, 12:12 PM
Thanks for the news :)

Fran
08-24-2002, 12:19 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Real Bout Maniac:
<strong>

Like Fran, all I wanted was a few new sprites/animations, maybe a new move here and there, and a KoF game I can actually have fun playing again (which hasn't happened since '98).

</strong><hr></blockquote>

same here

i'm getting tired of kof,its a continuous disappointment since 98

Devil_Gans
08-24-2002, 12:42 PM
I hope they don't make Takuma play like ryo.After hearing that his fireball won't travel full screen, i was a little dissapointed.I prefer the old takuma of 98/99/2000/2001.I don't like him playing like ryo.Lets hope eolith/playmore make some important changes before they release the game.If i were the developer i would leave takuma the way he is and maybe give him some new moves or combos.I prefer the old takuma.

As for Eiji,Geese or krauser, it wouldn't hurt drawing a new sprite for them.They should put in some effort at least if they are making a dream match.Yeah, i would like king to be in it.Hell, bring back all the fighters that ever existed in a KOF game.Its a dream match anyway.

rarehero
08-24-2002, 01:24 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>whatever.

The king of fighters was always supposed to be about the old fighters from the best franchises SNK had. Then KoF became the best franchise, and so it lost focus.

{...}

Though I'd rather have the Dong, Jae, and Jhun on a team than that fucked up Nest crap (never liked Nests. It was halfbaked from the get go).</strong><hr></blockquote>


i always thought the nests team was stupid myself.
other than the neat bit that k9999 is tetsuo from
AKIRA they re a stupid team.
if i didnt like AKIRA as much as i do i d probably
think the whole 2k1 bit was stupid.

jhun is great. maylee is basically just a wierd
version of him. but not even half as cool.
i think its poor to leave out king in lieu of maylee.
o... and look.
same gay art.
at least it looks somewhat better than 2001
and correct me if i m wrong. but wheres shingo on the move pics.
is that move list complete?

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: rarehero ]</p>

Devil_Gans
08-24-2002, 01:28 PM
Shingo much like in kof 98 would challenge you.He would be alone.From the beta test reports, he is not included in the character select screen.He is perhaps a hidden character(?) <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" />

cgun
08-24-2002, 01:48 PM
Another dissapointment about Shingo being a secret char (propably need the bios chip?). He was an edit character in 98 as far as i know. And taking out a progressing character sucks.

King is ok for me, she hasn't really made any progress in a long time.

neojedi
08-24-2002, 02:06 PM
King has fulfilled her potential, and hasn't evolved in years (changing Surprise Rose to a super does not count). I think she's a great character in the KOF's that she's been in, but unless she gets reinvented completely, then it's time for her (and some others) to go. I just wish she hadn't been cut until 2003.

And besides... storyline-wise, she should be barefoot and pregnant with the future of the Kyokugenryu school right about now. :p

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 02:15 PM
THIS IS SHIT IS FUCKED ALL THE WAY UP

There is no fuckin reason not to have Geese Howard. No fuckin reason whatsoever.

i'd like to hand out some "FY's" if ya'll don't mind.

Fuck you Eolith

Fuck you Playmore

Fuck you SNK

thank you and so long..

cgun
08-24-2002, 02:24 PM
SPinmaster X &gt; I didn't get your point..

I would love to see Geese again in KOF. The geese in KOF 96 is the best one there is IMHO.

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 02:33 PM
My sole purpose for getting hyped about KOF2k2 was being able to make my dream Edit team of Clark, Orochi Yashiro and Geese Howard. Now my dream is all the way fucked up thanks to the creators of 2k2.

Instead all i get is some fucked up character art, a bitch ass roster and Takuma with Ryo's moves, and more longing for Geese Howard. utterly splendid, splendid i tell you.

This makes me so happy i could just rob a bank for 2 dollars.

Ran Thrie
08-24-2002, 02:34 PM
I hope the non striker gamplay is now far better than the team line ups.
Shingo.. bah i could careless. imo hes been weakend in every kof. I like the guard crush damage.

But why does POWERMax mode just sound like counter mode? Or a retarded ver of A groove from CVS2? The only differance is that it seems you can still gain a stock while it activated. I like cancels within the game it self, not having to activate some damn combo mode.

Artwork? I still like it. I wish I could do some shyt like that.
Rugal?!? WHY? I'm so tired of this one-eyed bastich. He better have like new animation for everything.(yearight) dam reppukens..... sigh Geese you are missed.

PoOF!
((Shinobi Vanish))

Continuum
08-24-2002, 02:36 PM
NO GEESE HOWARD!!!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

MY LIFE IS OVER, WATCH ME CRY!

cgun
08-24-2002, 02:38 PM
I really hope Rugal is totally redrawn like kim seems to be in the new pictures posted.

Mike
08-24-2002, 02:41 PM
Pre-rendered backgrounds.... <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Neo Bomber Man
08-24-2002, 02:41 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Ran Thrie:
<strong>yay me likes already. Terry with an infinite...good jeez</strong><hr></blockquote>

Welcome to The King Of Fighters '97!

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 02:59 PM
yes i've made up my mind, this is shapping up to be the biggest dissappointment all year. a lazy half baked POS all round. no new chars, axing old favourites, eolith leaving in their 'great new 2001 chars' (ha!) the shitty artwork (man i could draw better...but dont hold me to that) no doubt shitty music.

i mean, look at all those ready drawn extra strikers in 2k. it wouldnt take much longer to draw the remaining moves in. then we could have eiji, geese and so on. and krauser man and mr big, those sprites are too good to use once.
the sad thing is i hate to see the good name of KOF being dragged through the mud by shitty no-name companies that really couldn't give a toss.

i mean after playing kofex on the gameboy, coudln't expect much less really.

as cruel as it is to say i wish the SNK franchises were left alone and remembered as greats rather that bought down to THQ level trash.

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 03:09 PM
[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>i mean, look at all those ready drawn extra strikers in 2k. it wouldnt take much longer to draw the remaining moves in. then we could have eiji, geese and so on. and krauser man and mr big, those sprites are too good to use once.
.</strong><hr></blockquote>

10in2010, that is EXACTLY what i was thinking. Geese's 2K striker sprite was just asking to be added on to. Eolith and Playmore are stupid fucks.

Oh yes and you have the best sig of all time.

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 03:23 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>

10in2010, that is EXACTLY what i was thinking. Geese's 2K striker sprite was just asking to be added on to. Eolith and Playmore are stupid fucks.

Oh yes and you have the best sig of all time.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I know what you mean man, having them their was like being handed them on a plate, and they said 'nah we'd rather have may-lee than the immortal geese howard'

oh and coming from someone with a sig as good as yours thanks!
;)

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: 10in2010 ]</p>

dfx
08-24-2002, 03:23 PM
for some reason i have the fear
that they dont have the skill to really
redraw anyone...
the new chara's from kof01 are most likely
unused ones from the kof00 developement..

they can do nothing!
or why is there no eiji,big,geese,krauser
why iori wears the same chlots since his 'birth'
why mai has no new sprite? she looks and moves
so awwwfulll when she fights against angel or whoever!
also are korean kof players dumb like milk? or how on earth
can you explain their massive votes for chang&choi?

i have calmed down a bit again now but, EOLITH i warn
you, if KOF03 will not have MAJOR CHANGES ie. charas, moves
the people will lose their interest in kof games and you!
keep that in mind!
no wonder more and more ppl playing roms if the seies
continue this road...

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 03:32 PM
[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>


I know what you mean man, having them their was like being handed them on a plate, and they said 'nah we'd rather have may-lee than the immortal geese howard'

oh and coming from someone with a sig as good as yours thanks!
;)

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: 10in2010 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats also what i was saying too! NESTS saga characters who can't even compare to the classics are taking up space for more worthy people in probably the most anticipated KOF game since KOF 98. Geese Howard alone is worth 5 NESTS saga characters.

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 03:40 PM
I'm wondering why how pretty much everybody had the same or similar views on how it should have turned out yet Eolith/Playmore/SNK went the total opposite direction with it.

dfx
08-24-2002, 03:45 PM
visit <a href="http://kofonline.com" target="_blank">kofoline</a> for more
infos and the FIRST PIC! (bad quality)

Real Bout Maniac
08-24-2002, 03:46 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>I'm wondering why how pretty much everybody had the same or similar views on how it should have turned out yet Eolith/Playmore/SNK went the total opposite direction with it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Unfortunately, we're not their target audience. Where they're going to make their money is in the Japanese, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Mexican arcade scenes.

As much as I dislike the choices they've apparently made, there must have been some reasoning behind them, and most likely it came from feedback from these primary markets.

Still doesn't keep it from sucking though... <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

FeelGood
08-24-2002, 03:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by dfx:
<strong>visit <a href="http://kofonline.com" target="_blank">kofoline</a> for more
infos and the FIRST PIC! (bad quality)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm glad they didn't link directly to the movelist pic I posted on page 2. :rolleyes:

lamers gotta give credit where it's due though. Tell where you saw it, kof-online bitches, <a href="http://www.neo-geo.com." target="_blank">www.neo-geo.com.</a>

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 03:53 PM
i'm pretty sure The target markets wouldn't have liked axing King and making a clone of Ryo out of Takuma.

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 03:55 PM
was 'the target market' an assortment of frozen lollipops?

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 04:03 PM
"The King Of Fuck-Ups 2002- challenge to ultimate dissapointment! Be the fuck-up!"

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 04:04 PM
They weren't trying to please any target audience, they are just dumb as hell. I think i know of anybody who'd want the kind of changes Eolith/Playmore/SNK made.

If thats the what the target audiences wanted then 10in2010 you are right, they must be some frozen lollipops.

Evil Wasabi
08-24-2002, 04:06 PM
meh. its allrite.

they should just start over, like streetfighter 3.

like keep older ryo, robert, tryy, andy, iori and kyo. and then add the people from motw/aof3/rb2 and some new peeps.

as far as king goes........you cant fight when you're pregnant, now can you? ;)

toy_brain
08-24-2002, 04:19 PM
Thing is, what everyone is saying abourt this KoF is "I wish it was exactly the same as KoF98 only redrawn completely"

No-one wants change.
No-one wants Eolith to try anything new.
No-one wants any of the characters that SNK made to go.
No-one wants the new characters from last year to stay (no matter how good Angel and May-lee are as characters).

Just accept that, now Eolith have the licence, its gonna be a different kettle of fish from now on.

Is this a bad thing? Just how many KoF's can everyone play with the same old characters all the time? From what I have read on Kofonline, they have made a good fiew changes to the system and modified a fiew of the sprites (as usual). Its not like Eolith did a bad job with '01 (apart from the music) - and the new characters were well done and very deep (apart from K9999 - whis isnt deep but is still good).
Like I said before -you wanna play KoF like you remember it? Then go into your current collection and dig out an old one, You want something different to what you have been playing for the past 8 years? This is it!

I remember how I didnt really like KoF01 that much at first- but the more you play on it, the more it grows on you, and the more you use the new characters, the more you come to like them.

Give it a chance man!

10 in 2010
08-24-2002, 04:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by toy_brain:
<strong>Thing is, what everyone is saying abourt this KoF is "I wish it was exactly the same as KoF98 only redrawn completely"

No-one wants change.
No-one wants Eolith to try anything new.
No-one wants any of the characters that SNK made to go.
No-one wants the new characters from last year to stay (no matter how good Angel and May-lee are as characters).

Just accept that, now Eolith have the licence, its gonna be a different kettle of fish from now on.

Is this a bad thing? Just how many KoF's can everyone play with the same old characters all the time? From what I have read on Kofonline, they have made a good fiew changes to the system and modified a fiew of the sprites (as usual). Its not like Eolith did a bad job with '01 (apart from the music) - and the new characters were well done and very deep (apart from K9999 - whis isnt deep but is still good).
Like I said before -you wanna play KoF like you remember it? Then go into your current collection and dig out an old one, You want something different to what you have been playing for the past 8 years? This is it!

I remember how I didnt really like KoF01 that much at first- but the more you play on it, the more it grows on you, and the more you use the new characters, the more you come to like them.

Give it a chance man!</strong><hr></blockquote>

i agree with what you are saying, but this KOF is a dream match, not kof 2003. it should have forfilled some promises, but it totally sucks already.

mookystains
08-24-2002, 04:23 PM
im excited about 2k2.
yea, king was cool, too bad shes gone, but im not that mad.
Im really hyped about this.
but fuck.
some people will never be happy.
the games not even out yet and people are saying it sucks.
give it a chance, be happy new neo geo games are even coming out.
instead of complaing about it.

dfx
08-24-2002, 04:27 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

I'm glad they didn't link directly to the movelist pic I posted on page 2. :rolleyes:

lamers gotta give credit where it's due though. Tell where you saw it, kof-online bitches, <a href="http://www.neo-geo.com." target="_blank">www.neo-geo.com.</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

huh?

Stephane
08-24-2002, 05:05 PM
quote of the day :

Play the game before whine !

:)

Fran
08-24-2002, 05:06 PM
eolith wont be making kof 2003


playmore will

just a reminder

Fran
08-24-2002, 05:09 PM
from the madman's:

Updated / Added Info -

From Kenshinpou


- In VS CPU mode, the player can chose between two teams to fight before each match.

- BC "PowerMAX" mode effect is confirmed- it goes as follows: Allows anything to be canceled into a normal special, including a normal special (ie: Yamazaki sand kick &gt; sand kick &gt; sand kick..). Allows infinite use of DMs without using any stocks. Allows an SDM to be performed with an extra stock (all DMs may have an SDM version to them).

- Again, No striker system.

- In general, it feels like the usual KOF.

- Whip can move around while in her Strength Shot pose.

- Maxima has a super where he shoots out a rocket from his chest like Rocky from RoboArmy.

- Vanessa's new move is like Rick Stroud's Hellion.

- Other characters in the background include Jhun, Marco Rodriguez, HonFu, Heidern, Wang (AOF3), and Yubei Yamada. Cheng and Xia***ei are in an eating contest in the background, and Xia***ei can be seen winning after a round passes by.


- Pre-Boss Demo: A huge ship is flying. Someone presses a switch, and the ship starts exploding from all over the place. That man is Rugal. The player fights with him in the ship that's falling down.

- The Rugal is Based on KOF98's Omega Rugal, but his hair is blond. He has a move which resembles a powered up Fire Kick (Terry).


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Basic System


Buttons-
A- Weak Punch
B- Weak Kick
C- Strong Punch
D- Strong Kick
AB- Roll (+back to backroll)
BC- PowerMAX
CD- Thrust Attack

- Throws are back to KOF98 damage.

- Guard cancel CD does damage.

- Power stock system is similar to 98 (3 on first character, 5 on third character). By pressing BC, one stock will be depleted for a PowerMAX mode, where the player can cancel any move (including a normal special) with a normal special limited time, do infinite DMs, and execute an SDM with an extra stock.

- Characters/Teams have their theme music (ie: Ralf, Clark: KOF94 Ikari Team / Ryo: KOF99 AOF team).

- The wire system is present, but there's not many moves that do it.

- Life meter border flashes red when a guard crush is coming close.

- 4 colors per character, selectable by the button.

- 1P Game goes as follows: 5 stages, middle boss, 6th stage, last boss.

- Only the Newface team is confirmed to have EX versions as of now.

- Random select is done with the start button.

- The victory pose illustrations are not as weird as KOF2001, though the control panel moves list pictures are.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Missing Characters

- Shingo is a total mystery: he's the Loch Ness of KOF2002 as of now. Some beta testers are reporting that they've saw them, others are saying that they haven't seen him in the whole day. But no reliable sources report of his presence. Keep in mind that there's a good possibility that he's not actually in the game.

- Characters found in the background of stages include- King, Xia***ei, Bao, Honfu, Lin, GriffonMask, Kim Sue il, Todo dad & daughter, Cheng Shinzan, Tung Fue Rue, USA team, Bob Wilson, Jin Brothers, Eiji, Boss Team.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Present Characters:


- Joe's neutral pose is different. Taunt is from 2001. His tiger kick burns the opponent now.

- Ryo has a support gear on, like from AOF2. His Zanretsuken has a guard point, and his uppercut is 98 style with long invincibility.

- Takuma can be thought of as a totally different character. His projectile doesn't fly, his Shippukyaku is GarouMOTW Marco style- can't be punished after a guard. His Haou-Shikouken is a normal move, doesn't fly but causes wire effcet.

- Terry's crack shoot is strong downwards (hits crouching opponents).

- Athena has long hair, and a costume similar to KOF97, with her belly button revealing and more frills. She has different animation motions for her psychoball attack, depending on weak or strong. It comes out fast. Jump CD and foot sweep graphics are different. Teleport has faster recovery.

- Benimaru has his throw back.

- Vice's normal stance has changed. It's more eerie now.

- Angel's Unchain command has changed from place to place.

- Iori's Max DM is back to his old "eating" style. He can't cancel his forward +A any more.

- Clark has a new move called "Shining Wizard", a running grab. His Ultra Aregentia's finish move has changed.

- Vanessa has a new move "Forbitten Eagle".

- Robert's projectile motion has greatly changed. Jump CD also changed.

- Mature's movement is a bit slower overall.

- Yuri can juggle after her Saifa hits.

- Kensou has his bun special back.

- Shermie has a move called F Capitude.

- Leona's life drains to half when she goes into rage mode, no stock needed (command uncertain). Currently, she can keep juggling the opponent with Moon Slashes after she footsweeps them in her rage mode.

- Mai's fan throw comes out faster now.

- Kim's Neutral pose is different. His aerial stomp is KOF94 style, hops back when guarded. Some other moves has changed in graphics as well (Hienzan, Tenshouzan).

- Chang has Kim's Hakikyaku, causes an earthquake.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bosses, Etc:

- The "Middle boss" is a random Nest team member: K9999, Kula or Angel. Interrupts the game around between the 5th and 6th round.

- The last boss is Rugal (unknown if Omega or normal). Everyone is reporting that he's way weaker than back when he was boss in KOF98.

- Rugal's Reppuken is faster, quicker recovery time. Has 2 versions of Kaiser Waves, comes out fast and flys off fast. Dark Genocide Cutter hits 3 times (weak) or 4 times(strong)- has good horizontal range. Dark barrier has faster recovery time. Godpress hasn't changed much. Has three specials- a forward moving Genocide cutter, Gigatec Pressure, and Destruction Omega from 98.

- The staff roll has comic skits based on sprites, like from Fatal Fury Special and Art OF Fighting 2.

Megatron X
08-24-2002, 05:10 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>eolith wont be making kof 2003


playmore will

just a reminder</strong><hr></blockquote>

I just want to know if Angel is SNK's character or Eolith's character (copyrights Or whatever)?

FINAL SHOWDOWN
08-24-2002, 05:17 PM
Nooooo! why are they making kim like his 94 version. =[ lame.

Setsuna1982
08-24-2002, 05:45 PM
The ultimate kof... "kof94 10 years aniversary"
Just make KOF'94 but using 700mb instead of 150/200... the you'll have garou animations and awesome soundtrack/stages

Solidus Snake
08-24-2002, 05:52 PM
A NESTS sub-boss? They should have made Geese a sub-boss. Think about it, we could have Geese the original, then you fight Rugal.This would pay tribute to geese as the boss of all time. They could have thrown in Krizalid to rival K'. Then you would have the all star hero vs. villain rivalry.

Terry vs. Geese
Kyo vs. Rugal
K' vs. Krizalid (think about that clone complex they had.)


Edit: No EX K999...

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Solidus Snake ]</p>

Loopz
08-24-2002, 06:06 PM
[quote]I'm wondering why how pretty much everybody had the same or similar views on how it should have turned out yet Eolith/Playmore/SNK went the total opposite direction with it. <hr></blockquote>

Listen, as much I want this game to kick total ass, the odds are slim. Why? Because these guys DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT, PASSION, OR CREATIVITY THAT THE REAL SNK HAD. Isn't KoF'01 and Slug 4 proof enough? Rehash city. What little new they do create is badly drawn and uninspired. Since the arcade business is in the dumps, yet MVS is still very widespread, I imagine operators are willing to shell out for any new shit that comes down the pike seeing how few new arcade games are made. Even if these games blow ass, they still are guaranteed to sell shitloads to arcade operators. Does that mean these new games are worth $300? Hell no.

BTW, this continues to bode badly for the upcoming SNK VS.Capcom. My inner optimistic glimmer hopes that the shoddy effort apparently lent to KOF'02 means they were busy working hard on cool shit for SvC. I guess in March we'll find out, eh?

FeelGood
08-24-2002, 06:15 PM
Ralf and Clark are using their KoF 94 theme?

Wow!

This one might actually have good music...

FINAL SHOWDOWN
08-24-2002, 06:48 PM
yeah i must agree. The music looks to be turning out pretty good. Might be the next sound track i buy....


might be.

other then that some of the things look semi cool. For one having orochi stuff sounds cool. And i know some people*cough my brother cough* will probably pee out some white stuff when they hear that. I dunno he was one of those people that hated the nest stuff. I dunno i guess i was one of the few people that acctualy liked it to some exstent.


game looks ok so far. Better then KOF2k1 looked at the begning imo.

cgun
08-24-2002, 06:51 PM
haha, so far it seems to suck. I wnat news, not a blend between kof 98 and kof 2001...

The artwork for the "new characters" looks great, i hope they use it in KOF 2003

LWK
08-24-2002, 07:32 PM
"the death of a disco dancer, well it happens alot round here..."

I never gave playmore one red cent, and ya know what? I'm glad.
Illusions all around me. Playwhore has played us all. Whos really playing games here? HEH, tell you it aint us.

heh

sad.
Just like street hustlers.. er third
"partys"... I know I wouldnt want someone pissing on my grave.
KOF is beyond the rotten horse. Maybe playmore is to busy "riding the white horse"
Ill tell ya one thing. You cant replace a loved one. Proof in front of you.

Goodbye Geese, goodbye SNK.
Cause really, who cares about what we get anymore. Its always metal slug or kof. And MS is blah to me really. Aint that great.

The feeling aint there, they've replaced my hearty soup with condensed shit.

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Lord Wolfgang Krauser ]</p>

Force
08-24-2002, 07:43 PM
You know, at first, the character roster pissed me off. No geese, lin, orochi, or krizalid? That kinda made me mad.

However, I have since cooled down a bit. It's only a game anyways.So now I look at the roster and it does seem pretty balanced. A little bit for everyone. And I'm also excited about the new battle system too. Sounds a bit like custom combos from capcom games, which is something I really enjoy.

I would like to see the BGs in this game though. The ones from the last game were so bad it actually detracted from the fun I had with it. Same with the music. I can't wait to hear it.

Matt

EX_Andy
08-24-2002, 07:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>oh i asked him about backgrounds

better than the ones in 2001 but...erm...think i heard the word "pre rendered" or something</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do any you even know what "pre-rendered" means?

[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>i bet they left eiji out to deliberately piss you off, Fran.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, they called an important company meeting to make sure they made some guy on an internet message board mad. In fact, that's the whole reason why SNK/Playmore exists.

[quote]Originally posted by dfx:
<strong>these bastards dont hear on the
fans, so i dont buy eolith's crap anymore <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

And when was the last time "the fans" told them anything? Playmore's biggest markets are in Asia and Central and South America. Unfortunately, they can't tailor-make the game for a couple of guys who are scattered around the world and happen to visit the same message board.

[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>all the "NEW" fighters are fuckin recycled
its a sign of how grim the situation is</strong><hr></blockquote>

SNK went bankrupt last year. Playmore is still making games for dated hardware that's already been fully emulated by ROM pirates, and the closest they've come so far to putting out a more mainstream product on a different console so far is KOF 2000 for the DC, a two-year-old game on another dead console. And you're telling me that what is "grim," now? That you don't get to play some character you like?

[quote]Originally posted by RiotoftheBlood:
<strong>You can't please everyone.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The closest thing to sense that has been posted in this thread so far.

[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>THIS IS SHIT IS FUCKED ALL THE WAY UP

There is no fuckin reason not to have Geese Howard. No fuckin reason whatsoever.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean aside from the fact that he hasn't been in KOF for the past five years?

[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>i'd like to hand out some "FY's" if ya'll don't mind.

Fuck you Eolith

Fuck you Playmore

Fuck you SNK

thank you and so long..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, see you tomorrow.

[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>I'm wondering why how pretty much everybody had the same or similar views on how it should have turned out yet Eolith/Playmore/SNK went the total opposite direction with it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who is "everybody"? Like, 6 or 7 guys on a message board? That's the problem with message boards, they turn into these degenerate gated communities where it only takes a few people shouting to make them think they're a million men strong. Even if everyone in this thread bought a MVS/AES cart (and most people here are swearing that they won't), do you think that would be enough to keep Playmore afloat? Was it enough for SNK last time?

I want changes made to KOF just as much as the rest of you. I want Jhun Hoon and Geese in KOF just as much as you guys do, probably more. But at this point, they've already announced the characters. The game is on test, they're just looking for bugs & balance, so screaming about it isn't going to accomplish anything.

What's really shocking about KOF 2002 is the fact that it's even being made, considering everything it has against it, not the least of which is the fact that it's coming to the Neo, which you can't find in any arcades in my neighborhood, but you can find it on ROM pirates' computers everywhere. I love my cart systems and every last one of my carts except for Legend of Success Joe, but if it were up to me, I'd kill the Neo in a second, because it's a gaping wound that bleeds cash. However, I seem to be in the minority, since most other people here seem to want Neo or nothing. Well, you're getting Neo, and if you want to see more of it, you have to show support, not just in your message board posts (like you're not doing here), but also by kicking down the $$ once the carts become available.

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: EX_Andy ]</p>

FeelGood
08-24-2002, 07:53 PM
that's the thing though - if Geese was in KoF 02, I'm 100% that the majority of KoFers across the globe would be ecstatic.

Playmore kept a few junk players like Mae Li and Whip (yeah, I don't like them at all past being cute). Good spots could have been filled in their places. For example Goenitz, who didn't exactly die, but vanished in to thin air. ;)

Be interesting to see him as Rugal's team mate with Saisyu. :p

But Eolith didn't think like that. They figure that Kula is worth putting in another game. They think Mae Li is worth another try - and Whip... :rolleyes: Oh yeah, Ramon and Seth - toss those two as well. I can deal with Keeping Angel, K9999, Lin and Vanessa. I think K' is a good character too, although just a tricky shoto in Cool clothes (psikyo pun).

It wouldn't have taken much to make this game better than 98. Just a little more time and effort. I think they have the skill to make good gameplay, so yeah, just use the brain a little more.

But hey, another game on the neo geo.

Not like it matters. I didn't buy KoF 2001 yet.

LWK
08-24-2002, 08:00 PM
[quote] I didn't buy KoF 2001 yet<hr></blockquote>

I didnt either, cause its shit. Doesnt even feel like KOF.
KOF 94-2000 = KOF

KOF 2001 dont feel the same to me
2001 IS TO EASY, less skill then in the past. Take that multi hitting retard K four nine.. pfft no thanks.

Force
08-24-2002, 08:10 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
<strong>

I didnt either, cause its shit. Doesnt even feel like KOF.
KOF 94-2000 = KOF

KOF 2001 dont feel the same to me
2001 IS TO EASY, less skill then in the past. Take that multi hitting retard K four nine.. pfft no thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I still don't see how people actually like kof2000. You know what I thought when I first played that game? I thought, "did capcom make this?" Because it felt just like a vs game with SNK characters. AT least kof2001's gameplay was a little more down to earth. I rather enjoy 2001, except for the fact that the BGs suck.

Matt

Zeekade Zarathos
08-24-2002, 09:12 PM
I suggest everyone goes and plays MUGEN with every character SNK ever did to cheer you up. That's what I'm doing, anyways.

Gawd, I love this little program.

cgun
08-24-2002, 09:21 PM
Lord Wolfgang Krauser &gt; The KOF 2001 AI is much better than the previous (not KOF 94-95). The game is much harder then for esample KOF 99 or 2k.

I like it alot and imho it's the best KOF to date.

insaneben
08-24-2002, 09:34 PM
Yeah, I'm sad that Shingo and King aren't in it, but there's nothing I can do. The way I see it, every King of Fighters is like an experiment. Every year, since 1994, the programmers take the base game, add/remove variables, and see what does/doesn't work. King of Fighters 2002 is just another part of an ongoing experiment to create the most pleasing fighting game using as many/few variables as possible. If King and Shingo aren't playable, then so what? I can always go back to KOF 2001 and wait until next year. But the real reason I play the KOF series is to have fun, and not whine and complain endlessly about which characters make the cut and which ones are placed into cold storage for next year. If I want to change the KOF universe, I'll write a fanfic about it. In the meantime, though, I'll just take whatever comes at me and have as good a time I can with it.

And that is all I have to say about that (for now).

LWK
08-24-2002, 10:29 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong>

I still don't see how people actually like kof2000. You know what I thought when I first played that game? I thought, "did capcom make this?" Because it felt just like a vs game with SNK characters. AT least kof2001's gameplay was a little more down to earth. I rather enjoy 2001, except for the fact that the BGs suck.

Matt</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who said I liked 2000? Im just stating its creator. 98 and 96 for me. Maybe 97

SPINMASTER X
08-24-2002, 11:43 PM
EX Andy, are you dumb as hell or what? This is a Dream Match. He had no reason to be in the other KOF's cuz he was dead you genius. Geese is extremely popular and it would be expected of him to be in a KOF dream match. Everybody and their mother wanted Geese back and you damn well know it too so don't try to play like the "neutral" wise ass who isn't on either side.

JHendrix
08-24-2002, 11:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
<strong>

I didnt either, cause its shit. Doesnt even feel like KOF.
KOF 94-2000 = KOF

KOF 2001 dont feel the same to me
2001 IS TO EASY, less skill then in the past. Take that multi hitting retard K four nine.. pfft no thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bah, 2k1 is good stuff man. I really don't know why you'd find it bad, but I guess to each his own. Personally I play 2k1 a lot right now, even more than 98. I think it's just a fun ass game. Sure the music is really bad sometimes and the art scares me, but it still plays good. Can't argue with that in my book. BTW, after reading some of the technical gameplay enhancements they are doing in 2k2 I'm souped up to play the game.

Peace

JHendrix

Criterionradiohead
08-24-2002, 11:49 PM
Ok here it goes.

I think the Neo Geo is dead. I know it has been on life support for quite sometime now, but this is one of the final nails in the coffin. I really hope I'm speaking to soon because I don't think I'm ready for the Neo to be gone yet.

Well I guess only time will tell, but I for one don't think it will be long till the last Neo Geo game comes out. I almost have the same stance on it that Fran did a few months back, just let it die.

I mean, it's always exciting to hear about/play new Neo Geo games for the first time, but there is only so much disappointment a person can take. :(

Here's to better times.

Criterionradiohead ;)

k'_127
08-25-2002, 12:29 AM
[quote]Originally posted by insaneben:
<strong> Every year, since 1994, the programmers take the base game, add/remove variables, and see what does/doesn't work. King of Fighters 2002 is just another part of an ongoing experiment to create the most pleasing fighting game using as many/few variables as possible.But the real reason I play the KOF series is to have fun, and not whine and complain endlessly
</strong><hr></blockquote>

he is right guys ......... they can't make everyone happy no matter what they do

k'_127
08-25-2002, 12:39 AM
and for those who complain about KOF 2000 , 2001:

<img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> If you don't like them because of the BGs or musics or whatever it is , I suggest selling your NEOs and buying some street fighter or Marvel vs Capcom crap <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

KOF is about gameplay not graphics

Sectus
08-25-2002, 12:43 AM
King's gone??? That fucking sucks! I love King! She's been in King of Fighters since the beginning! I can't believe they're willing to kill a popular character like that... *cries*

-Remi

Fygee
08-25-2002, 12:51 AM
[quote]Lord Wolfgang Krauser &gt; The KOF 2001 AI is much better than the previous (not KOF 94-95). The game is much harder then for esample KOF 99 or 2k.<hr></blockquote>

Surely you jest. The AI in 2001 is retarded. While I still have more than an ample challenge in '99 and '00 at level 8, in 2001 at level 8 I destroy everyone in my path. The game offers absolutely no challenge whatsoever until you hit Zero and Igniz.

At any rate, the only way I feel that KOF can truly progress is to get it on new, spiffy hardware. More characters, much better animation, much better graphics, etc etc. The graphical change could even make the playability a lot more interesting.

Also, while its quite true that they can't make everyone happy, considering this is a dream match, they should've done their darndest to make sure they could make as many people happy as possible. Their choices obviously didn't do that (especially by axeing King, an often used and popular character).

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Fygee ]</p>

cgun
08-25-2002, 12:59 AM
Fygee &gt; Sure, the AI has always been shit in KOF. But in 2k1 they actually use combos and DM's/SDM's to a degree...

KOF 98/99 is easy as hell, i can't remember seing an AI character pulling a combo over 3 hits that isn't an auto-hit.

rarehero
08-25-2002, 01:41 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Devil_Gans:
<strong>Shingo much like in kof 98 would challenge you.He would be alone.From the beta test reports, he is not included in the character select screen.He is perhaps a hidden character(?) <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

JA JA JAAAAAA!
i hope hes in there.
i hope clark gets better in 2002 too.
they totally dumbed him down int 2001
his frankenstiener didnt have any invinciblity
like in any past kof.
dumbing him down is stupid.
this is turning out to not be a dream match and
more a remix!
fuuuuuunny.
at least yama s back in the game.
hes too cool to not be in a kof.
especially if he isnt being used for fatal fury games anymore.

Neo Bomber Man
08-25-2002, 01:45 AM
Hey, look on the bright side.

Ralf and Clark come out to Jungle Bouncer. But this only reiterates a point: pushing the 3 R's: REDUCE, RE-USE and RECYCLE!

*hugs his Magician Lord cartrige*

rarehero
08-25-2002, 01:48 AM
[quote]Originally posted by cgun:
<strong>Lord Wolfgang Krauser &gt; The KOF 2001 AI is much better than the previous (not KOF 94-95). The game is much harder then for esample KOF 99 or 2k.

I like it alot and imho it's the best KOF to date.</strong><hr></blockquote>


apparently you havent discovered the game's
secret move
pick any character and use the "A" button.
it was in past kofs but not like in 2001.
it alone is the greatest anti arial, priority over CD and specials,
and altogether ultimate attack!
use it wisely!

Devil_Gans
08-25-2002, 01:49 AM
I heard that clark has a new running grab move in kof 2k2.Its called "shining wizard".Sounds interesting... :D

rarehero
08-25-2002, 01:53 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Neo Bomber Man:
<strong>Hey, look on the bright side.

Ralf and Clark come out to Jungle Bouncer. But this only reiterates a point: pushing the 3 R's: REDUCE, RE-USE and RECYCLE!

*hugs his Magician Lord cartrige*</strong><hr></blockquote>

:eek: look out for the nipple monkeys! :eek:

SPAM!

rarehero
08-25-2002, 01:57 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Devil_Gans:
<strong>I heard that clark has a new running grab move in kof 2k2.Its called "shining wizard".Sounds interesting... :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

why he would need a new running grab, who knows.
just give him back his old running grab that he
had pre 99 that was unblockable.
running three is the greatest move in the world next to the galactic phantom

Fygee
08-25-2002, 04:23 AM
[quote]Fygee &gt; Sure, the AI has always been shit in KOF. But in 2k1 they actually use combos and DM's/SDM's to a degree...
KOF 98/99 is easy as hell, i can't remember seing an AI character pulling a combo over 3 hits that isn't an auto-hit.<hr></blockquote>

I gauge the difficulty of the AI by its effectiveness in offense (combos not withstanding) and defense. In 2001, both are rather pathetic. They rarely block, and they use moves rather randomly instead of using ones that would work effectively towards the actions you perform. '99 and '00 did a much better job at that.

Giga Power
08-25-2002, 04:56 AM
Haha!

Fran
08-25-2002, 06:08 AM
ex-andy:
think you're missing the point,really
its a dream match
i voted for eiji and geese
i know many other people did
so when i found out they didnt make the cut
i felt rather sad
thats all
is that SO strange?
whats your problem?
why that "know it all" attitude?
2001 was made by the same people who made 2002
but at least 2001 had NEW sprites and characters
2002 is COMPLETELY recycled
there isnt a single redrawn sprite
they only made a couple new stances for kim and vice
thats like saying 24 new frames...WHOA !
took em 10 months,eh?
and thats got nothing to do with the hardware,or the port of kof 2000,or the current grim situation,or playmore or whatever
thats just lazy and immoral
because they're STILL going to ask me 300 bucks for a NEW neo geo game
ROTD aint the best 2d fighter ever,
but at least its 100 % new
that was my point
and keep in my mind,
i'm the biggest KOF fanboy
of course i'm gonna buy the game,
that goes without saying
and that is what bothers me
they are getting away with it,
only cos a bunch of snk fans
are still supporting the home carts market
and they know we would just buy that cart
even if they filled it with dog shit
yes? capesc?
thats how they say "thank you"
sad


"UNTIL I DIE,I MUST CUT!"

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Fran ]</p>

k'_127
08-25-2002, 06:45 AM
check out this :

http://www.planetps2.com/mmcafe/pics02/roke2.jpg

it says:

Japan Team
Fatal Fury Team
Korean Team
Ikari Team
Art of Fighting Team
Psychic Soldiers Team
Female Fighters Team
'96 Team
'97 Team
'98 Team
'99 Team
'00 Team
'01 Team
......
"and more"


hmmmmmmmmmmm ............ what could it mean (there is still hope for more?) <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" />

*Pic from MadMan Cafe

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: k'_127 ]</p>

Fygee
08-25-2002, 07:01 AM
That poster depresses me. Why didn't they get that dude to do the artwork?!! His pics of the characters look tons better than Nona's!

cgun
08-25-2002, 07:08 AM
The pictures on that poster is the art-style that i usually put together with KOF or even SNK. The look like real people and not like cartoons.

But i like the new "wierd" style too...

dfx
08-25-2002, 07:33 AM
WHOA...PUFF!

If this art is used ingame..hmm then
one big contra is gone!

...and more...

hmmm? maybe shingo and rugal...?

but maybe...

cgun
08-25-2002, 07:37 AM
I think thoose pics need to be high res. to look as good as it does on the poster thought... :(

JC10001
08-25-2002, 09:45 AM
I think when they say "and more" they just mean Rugal. Saying "and more" is just an advertising gimmick.

K9999
08-25-2002, 09:56 AM
http://www.planetps2.com/mmcafe/pics02/roke2.jpg

Are those the character select screen pics?

If they are, I like them a lot. They all look very serious and moody, looks good!

Tadaima
08-25-2002, 10:01 AM
What I'll never see again is my money... Kof 2K1, now Kof2K2, my other Last Blade 2 cartridge I had to buy because the first one was stolen, Rage of the Dragons, maybe an MVS machine... Jeez, I'll be cleaned out soon.

insaneben
08-25-2002, 10:22 AM
Time for me to toss another two cents into the fountain:

Though it may be too late to change anything in KOF 2002, there's still hope. Remember, this is only the beta version, so some things might change for the home cart release and console conversions. Some examples:

Musashi is playable in the home cart version of Last Blade 2 (versus mode only).
Chizuru and Goenitz are selectable characters in the Neo-Geo CD, Playstation, and Sega Saturn versions of KOF '96.
Zero is playable in the home cart version of KOF 2000.
Cham-Cham is a selectable character in the Neo-Geo CD, Playstation, and Sega Saturn versions of Samurai Shodown 4.
Krizalid is playable in the Dreamcast version of King Of Fighters '99 Evolution.

The point is that it isn't over until the console version of KOF 2002 is released. By the time KOF 2002 is released on home cart, Eolith just might listen to the fans' demands/complaints and make the necessary changes to appease the fans.

Fran
08-25-2002, 11:51 AM
insaneben:
no,they dont give a crap about comments from people who went and played the beta

and they NEVER change a thing

just think about that bug that fatal fury 3 had

the game would just freeze

it was present in the mvs cart,
and it wasnt removed when the home cart was released

keep in mind both mvs and aes carts are probably produced at the same time to save on production costs

anyway

update n 3:

Update#3
2 Minor images of the Control panel moves list (color) are available at Channel KOF.

From KOFFreak and Channel KOF


Terry- Has Rock Howard's Shining Knuckle, MAX only special. Rising Tackle damage is big.
Yuri- Can do a Raiou-ken by QCF+P, resembles Akuma's aerial projectile. Useful.

Choi- Has a new special where he attacks with his claws in the air.

Iori- Weaker overall. Forward + A only cancels on 2nd hit, Forward +b doesn't cancel. Invincibility on Maiden masher is short.

Shermie- F captitude is a counter throw. Uses her chest in the move. Her dash throw's motion has changed. Crouching C and B's motions have changed.

Chris- Chain slide touch has more invincibility, faster motion.

Kula- Diamond Edge hits 5 times on a normal version as well.

Lots of charatacters have dark, zombie skin in alternate colors.

Kyo and Iori have special victory poses against each other.

Orochi Yashiro, Clark, and Normal/Orochi Chris were top tiers in the beta testing and used often

Neo Bomber Man
08-25-2002, 12:30 PM
[quote]Originally posted by rarehero:
<strong>

:eek: look out for the nipple monkeys! :eek:

SPAM!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nipplemonkeys!!! Spamaramablamaban

This old school Capcom-style of making games just doesn't cut it in this day and age... sure we'll play the game, but will we KEEP playing it? THERE's the rub.

Sure I've played every KOF game out there but none so much as the original, thinking as I do that the series has never matched what The King of Fighters '94 brought to the table. So when was the last time I bought a NEW kof NGH, after experimenting with the MVS?.... See, all the bitching has something behind it.

We WANT a game to spend $300 on, even if we can't easily afford it.
We WANT something to rejoice over, to show off to each other, even though all of us have it.
We WANT one good and proper KOF, made the way some people used to know how to do it, that is, with neat NEW characters & features. That, we are not getting.

And knowing we will have to wait another year to get something possibly -not even assuredly- more along the lines of what we want, on a system which may not even be around in that year's time, that's why all the bitching Ex_Andy.

It's all got a reason behind it.

And oy, I voted for Geese & Eiji too. Them and Rick; the Southtown Trio of Terror.

I'm off to play Steam Hearts :)

FeelGood
08-25-2002, 12:36 PM
[quote]Originally posted by insaneben:
<strong>

Musashi is playable in the home cart version of Last Blade 2 (versus mode only).</strong><hr></blockquote>

please explain.

chainsawyak
08-25-2002, 12:49 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

please explain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm pretty sure Musashi is only playable in the CD version of LB2. He's cheap. He sucks.

On another note, KOF 2002 is going to be the worst game ever made. That is all.

SPINMASTER X
08-25-2002, 12:50 PM
I guarantee you that those words "and more..." in the poster means only Shingo and Rugal and its a damn shame too.

FeelGood
08-25-2002, 12:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by chainsawyak:
<strong>

I'm pretty sure Musashi is only playable in the CD version of LB2. He's cheap. He sucks.

On another note, KOF 2002 is going to be the worst game ever made. That is all.</strong><hr></blockquote>

thanks for the explaination. I have the Last Blade 2 mook, and Musashi isn't there at all.

Giga Power
08-25-2002, 01:17 PM
Don't know if its been said already but heres some new stuff-

http://fx.sakura.ne.jp/%7Esodom/kof/athena/02-08-25_13-20.jpg

http://fx.sakura.ne.jp/%7Esodom/kof/athena/02-08-25_13-19.jpg


And some news-

From KOFFreak and Channel KOF


Terry- Has Rock Howard's Shining Knuckle, MAX only special. Rising Tackle damage is big.
Yuri- Can do a Raiou-ken by QCF+P, resembles Akuma's aerial projectile. Useful.

Choi- Has a new special where he attacks with his claws in the air.

Iori- Weaker overall. Forward + A cancels, but only on the 2nd hit. Forward +b doesn't cancel. Invincibility on Maiden masher is short.

Mary- Dynamite Swing is still raging demon style command.

Shermie- F captitude is a counter throw. Uses her chest in the move. Her dash throw's motion has changed. Crouching C and B's motions have changed.

Chris- Chain slide touch has more invincibility, faster motion.

Kula- Diamond Edge hits 5 times on a normal version as well.

Lots of charatacters have dark, zombie skin in alternate colors.

Kyo and Iori have special victory poses against each other.

Orochi Yashiro, Clark, and Normal/Orochi Chris were top tiers in the beta testing and used often.
From KOFFreak and Top Page

- PowerMAX mode allows moves to be canceled with a normal special or roll, allows one free use of a DM, or a SDM with an extra stock. The remaining time on PowerMAX will deplete every time an attack is canceled (about 1/4th the full meter). Performing the DM will deplete all remaining time on the PowerMAX. PowerMAX does not allow inifinite use of DMs.

- Character illustrations are done by Nona- the same artist as KOF2001, main illustrations are done by Buriki-One artist Hiroaki.

- Character BGMs goes as follows.
Kyo- KOF96
FF Team- KOF98 FF Theme
AOF Team- KOF99 AOF Theme
Ralf, Clark- KOF94 Ikari Theme
Kim- FFSP Kim Theme
Iori- KOF97 Iori Theme
Mature, Vice- KOF98 Iori Theme
Band Team- KOF97 Band Theme
Orochi Band Members- Their themes from KOF98
KOF Special team members- Their own themes from KOF98
K' Team- KOF99 K' team theme
Seth Team- KOF00 K' team theme

Yashiro
Neutral Pose is Different from before. (both Normal and Orochi)
Some normal moves changed.
Shermie
Neuteral pose is different.
F Capitude is reported to be a "chesty" move, possibly a counter throw (F-cup-itude?).
Crouching fierce punch has more recovery time than before.


Chris
Orochi version's neutral pose changed.
Basically same as 98.

Yamazaki, Blue Mary
Not much different from their last games.

Billy
His sparrow dropper looks cooler than his 98EX self.
Fierce stick-jump has strong detection.
Otherwise, not much different from 98.

K-
Not much different, still strong.

Maxima
Vapor Cannon wires on a counter.

Whip
Can't add an attack after D buttom throw, still can after her Type C.
But her gun is the only attack that hits opponents on the ground.
Her hook shot can be canceled on landing.

Seth
Not much different from before.

Ramon
Normal move motions are faster.

Kula
Can attack with a normal move after her Ray spin.
Forward+C wires on a counter.

K9999
Has a new jumping attack move, can't guard crouching.

Angel
Unchain has changed overall.

Takuma
His projectile isn't short- he only does the motion, it doesn't come out at all. (Similar to Buriki One's Ryo Sakazaki Projectiles)
Can't connect after his Hien-shippukykau.

Clark
Running Spree is slow, so it won't connect with fierce attacks.

Blue Mary
Strights slicer has weakened, can be punished on guard.

Mai
Forward+B connects to a HanaArashi.
Even faster in the air.

Goro
Tenchi-gaeshi motion is shorter.

Sounds good to me!

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Giga Power ]</p>

sha-v
08-25-2002, 01:17 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>I guarantee you that those words "and more..." in the poster means only Shingo and Rugal and its a damn shame too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shingo and Rugal are not playable. It means that you will have for e.g Orochi versions of some fighters and so on.

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: sha-v ]</p>

Setsuna1982
08-25-2002, 01:18 PM
What's the bug in Fatal Fury 3?

If the "and more..." statement is true... i guess the bg/animation will suck :(

I repeat: Redraw KOF94 using Garou's style graphics like George Lucas did with Star Wars Special Edition.

sha-v
08-25-2002, 01:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Setsuna1982:
<strong>
I repeat: Redraw KOF94 using Garou's style graphics like George Lucas did with Star Wars Special Edition.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just to hear how it sucks and that they have no new ideas? If people are complaining about KOF02 how do you think they will react on a KOF94 which is just redrawn? I guess Geese is only so popular in USA which is not a big market for MVS (or maybe only in this forum).

Kid Aphex
08-25-2002, 03:32 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Giga Power:
<strong>
K9999
can't guard crouching.
[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Giga Power ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" />

Rade K
08-25-2002, 03:48 PM
I hear a lot of folks adding in complaining of the graphics of KOF, but trust me, be careful what you wish for.

The most I'd ever want them to do to KOF is increase sprite size slightly, go high rez and keep the animation and quality of sprites more consistant with one another.

KOF looks great the way it is, it just needs a higher rez to look cleaner. YOu know, though, those kinds of changes would require new hardware, which means that it wouldnt be on MVS anymore, which means not everyone will be able to play it. KOF sorta belongs on MVS for the forseable future. It's the only way to keep it profitable.


And to make the sprites MOTW quality..well, that's impossible for a KOF game on the MVS, unfortunately. MOTWs is cool, but the sprites are too small.


I'm sure Playmore and even SNK weighed the advantages of development on other arcade hardware, but they saw that it could be done more cost effectively on the MVS. I mean, KOF is the bread and butter, why mess with it like that.

Once you get into a really good KOF game (97, 98, 99), the looks arent going matter anymore. So, fuck fancy graphics in the ear because y'all are starting to Brutalize me with all your graphic whining. RONNIE FUCKING DOBBS!

NeoLord
08-25-2002, 05:17 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Tadaima:
<strong>What I'll never see again is my money... Kof 2K1, now Kof2K2, my other Last Blade 2 cartridge I had to buy because the first one was stolen, Rage of the Dragons, maybe an MVS machine... Jeez, I'll be cleaned out soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Welcome to the wonderful world of Neo-Geo! It may be expensive, but it's worth every single penny!

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: NeoLord ]</p>

TheBigBB
08-25-2002, 05:35 PM
My least favorite thing about these boards is seeing all the people who flock to these topics to complain.

pyrokilla
08-25-2002, 05:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>My least favorite thing about these boards is seeing all the people who flock to these topics to complain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Me aswell, fuck people, the "beta" has been tried, big fucking deal, if you have not played it personaly stfu.
Everytime a game is announced for MVS/AES I am supprised about the amount of bitching.

mego fennesz
08-25-2002, 05:49 PM
more=HeavyD!

He's so cool that he needs more work than the other characters. That's why he wasn't shown yet. :cool:

At least, let's keep the hope alive... :(

Fran
08-25-2002, 05:55 PM
[quote]Originally posted by pyrokilla:
<strong>

Me aswell, fuck people, the "beta" has been tried, big fucking deal, if you have not played it personaly stfu.
Everytime a game is announced for MVS/AES I am supprised about the amount of bitching.</strong><hr></blockquote>

are you a kof player?

can you understand that a 90 % recycled game isnt good?

even if "we havent played it personally"?

no,eh?

then YOU ought to stfu <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

Kid Aphex
08-25-2002, 06:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

are you a kof player?

can you understand that a 90 % recycled game isnt good?

even if "we havent played it personally"?

no,eh?

then YOU ought to stfu <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

quit being such an elitist you numbnuts.

anyways, its completely recycled. oh well. cmon fuckers, we've been playing with KYO for 7 years; some games he's had new moves, or a slightly different style...but please. it's ALL recycled. eolith just doesnt have the funds, it seems, to recycle LESS.

maybe once they build up their capital, we'll get some more re-drawn sprites, new characters, maybe even a new fucking license.

pyrokilla
08-25-2002, 07:17 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

are you a kof player?

can you understand that a 90 % recycled game isnt good?

even if "we havent played it personally"?

no,eh?

then YOU ought to stfu <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well I am one who still plays kof 98 religiously, i dont care if this game comes out exactly the same with a new name, and a few rehashed characters. I play the Kof games because i like them, not because they are new and ground breaking.

K9999
08-25-2002, 07:18 PM
[quote]
K9999 can't guard crouching<hr></blockquote>

What the hell is that crap?

That can't be right, you can't have one character not able to crouch guard. Sounds like a glitch to me.

YeldellGW
08-25-2002, 07:30 PM
[quote]Originally posted by K9999:
What the hell is that crap?

That can't be right, you can't have one character not able to crouch guard. Sounds like a glitch to me.<hr></blockquote>

Don't know about that. Vampire has one character that has no normal throws/holds.

I wonder if people bitched this much when Takuma got removed for KOF 96?

Can't say I'm surprised that once again a Ryuko no Ken character got axed; but I must admit I'm shocked it was King and not Takuma. But yet we have more Garou characters. Whoopee!

I miss the days when the AOF and FF cast consisted of equal numbers.

With all the negativity this game's getting, I won't be surprised I end up loving the final product.

Only time will tell...

TheBigBB
08-25-2002, 07:41 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

are you a kof player?

can you understand that a 90 % recycled game isnt good?

even if "we havent played it personally"?

no,eh?

then YOU ought to stfu <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

It's such an old system and there's so little room for improvements except for gameplay tweaks and stuff like that... Don't get the new ones if you already have what you want on the old ones... With all the 2D fighting game greats on the Neo-Geo, though, you should have enough to keep you occupied forever, right? Basically you should be able to appreciate the nuanced differences in various fighting games if you're a Neo-Geo fan. If you can't, then don't buy the games and seriously don't come here bitching. I mean, you're apparently dogmatic in your dislike of KOF2K2. YOU DON'T LIKE IT WITHOUT EVEN PLAYING IT. That just about says it all. 90% recycled, right? But there seems to be no doubt that the gameplay systems will be totally different than the last 3 games in the series. How much different can they possibly make it and still call it a KOF game?

Fran
08-25-2002, 07:43 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>

quit being such an elitist you numbnuts.

anyways, its completely recycled. oh well. cmon fuckers, we've been playing with KYO for 7 years; some games he's had new moves, or a slightly different style...but please. it's ALL recycled. eolith just doesnt have the funds, it seems, to recycle LESS.

maybe once they build up their capital, we'll get some more re-drawn sprites, new characters, maybe even a new fucking license.</strong><hr></blockquote>

whatever

Fran
08-25-2002, 07:45 PM
[quote]Originally posted by pyrokilla:
<strong>

I play the Kof games because i like them, not because they are new and ground breaking.</strong><hr></blockquote>

theres a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between

"neo cant handle 3d games or games in super high res,i know it and i dont give a crap"

and

"its a new kof,its a 2d game so who cares if they never redraw a single fuckin sprite"


hello?

HELLO?

anybody home? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Fran ]</p>

Fran
08-25-2002, 07:56 PM
[quote]Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>

It's such an old system and there's so little room for improvements except for gameplay tweaks and stuff like that... Don't get the new ones if you already have what you want on the old ones... With all the 2D fighting game greats on the Neo-Geo, though, you should have enough to keep you occupied forever, right? Basically you should be able to appreciate the nuanced differences in various fighting games if you're a Neo-Geo fan. If you can't, then don't buy the games and seriously don't come here bitching. I mean, you're apparently dogmatic in your dislike of KOF2K2. YOU DON'T LIKE IT WITHOUT EVEN PLAYING IT. That just about says it all. 90% recycled, right? But there seems to be no doubt that the gameplay systems will be totally different than the last 3 games in the series. How much different can they possibly make it and still call it a KOF game?</strong><hr></blockquote>

that time of the month,eh?

look man,you are REALLY missing the point

i dont even know why you wrote all that nonsense about the old hardware,my negativity,bad karma,many other different brawlers etc etc etc...

i mean,WTF!!!!!?

have you read my damn posts?

kof 2002 is coming out and i was just commenting

this is a friggin BBS after all,yeah?

but you like slug 4,so what was i expecting :D

nothing personal,
but you guys are incredible

no one was expecting high res,80 different fighters,
at least 40 redrawn sprites
30 different backgrounds and 3 final bosses

but just in case you havent noticed,
this is the first time that a new kof comes out
and theres so little new material in it

hell,they been working on it for 10 months
and all i get are 3 or 4 new stances,and little else?

i have all the rights to moan

i can go on for days,and theres nothing you can do

because i can
because i want

because i am RIGHT


98 was a dream match,alright
they still added TONS of new stuff in that one
so i was expecting more,simple as that

i'm a kof fanboy,you dont even know how much i love this series

i am not complaining because hey i'm gonna have to pay 300 for this one and its not 100 % new

just a bit sad cos it shows how lazy this new kof team is

and now lighten the fuck up,you SOFT TOUCHY NEO FRIENDS

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Fran ]</p>

Evil Wasabi
08-25-2002, 08:09 PM
stupid aes fan girl.

why'd you change NEO GODS to SOFT TOUCHY NEO FRIENDS?

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: sonic1687 ]</p>

FeelGood
08-25-2002, 08:12 PM
because there is only one Neo god, and that is Gemant. Fran didn't want to upset Il Neo Dio.

Fran
08-25-2002, 08:13 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sonic1687:
<strong>stupid aes fan girl.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

shut up,mister "kof 2000 takes place in southtown"

Fran
08-25-2002, 08:14 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sonic1687:
<strong>

why'd you change NEO GODS to SOFT TOUCHY NEO FRIENDS?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

because kof 2000 takes place in southtown

Evil Wasabi
08-25-2002, 08:14 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

shut up,mister "kof 2000 takes place in southtown"</strong><hr></blockquote>

if you actually read the fucking story, you'd know it does.

but i, nor can anyone else ever change your mind because youre so completely ignorant and closed minded that its worthless to even try

Fran
08-25-2002, 08:20 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sonic1687:
<strong>

if you actually read the fucking story, you'd know it does.

but i, nor can anyone else ever change your mind because youre so completely ignorant and closed minded that its worthless to even try</strong><hr></blockquote>

sure,of course

you probably dont even know what a power wave is,so all you can do is bark like a stupid ass

in southtown,obviously

because you have read the fuckin story

yeah?

Fran
08-25-2002, 08:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>because there is only one Neo god, and that is Gemant. Fran didn't want to upset Il Neo Dio.</strong><hr></blockquote>

spam

FeelGood
08-25-2002, 08:23 PM
So wait - KoF 2000 is the first KoF to take place in Southtown, right? Because all the others take place all over the world, from the USA, to Korea, to Italy, China, Japan, middle east... Man, never picked up on it being in Southtown this time. What a smart 14 year old.

FeelGood
08-25-2002, 08:24 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

spam</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know you are but what am I.

Evil Wasabi
08-25-2002, 08:25 PM
99 and 2000 take place in south town.

read the story <a href="http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt" target="_blank">http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt</a>

and im 15, but why the hell does age matter?

and i dunno about you, but i always thought that fatal fury 1 took place in south town...you know, the first kof

Evil Wasabi
08-25-2002, 08:27 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

sure,of course

you probably dont even know what a power wave is,so all you can do is bark like a stupid ass

in southtown,obviously

because you have read the fuckin story

yeah?</strong><hr></blockquote>


if i ever needed an example of an elitest asshole, you'd be it.

Fran
08-25-2002, 08:31 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

I know you are but what am I.</strong><hr></blockquote>

a sam spirits 1 fanboy

and oh,i never spam

insaneben
08-25-2002, 08:35 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

please explain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I can't explain it because I was wrong, and meant to say that Musashi was playable in the Neo-Geo CD and DC versions of Last Blade 2. Thanks to EvilWasabi and Chainsawyak (sp?) for pointing that out.

As for me, the only thing I'm complaining about is having to wait about 6-8 months before I can try KOF 2002 out for myself. I have a feeling that, despite the fact that two of my best fighters (Shingo and King) are gone, I predict that I'm going to have a blast playing it (or maybe it'll turn out to be the worst Neo-Geo experience of my life; who knows?). All I know is that I'm not judging anything until I've actually played the game once (or twice) through.

And if all else fails, there are always the manga anthologies to fall back on...

Fran
08-25-2002, 08:37 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sonic1687:
<strong>


if i ever needed an example of an elitest asshole, you'd be it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

thanks sonic 1987,
i needed to read something stupid to have a good laugh

i aint an "ELITEST ARSEHOLE"

but even if i was,nothing wrong in that

of course i respect other peoples opinions,
as long as they are the same as mine

anyway,
a text file from gamefaq says kof 99 and 2000 takes place in southtown

awwwwww i stand defeated,apparently

ok,you win

now i want to bury the hatcet...into your head <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

FeelGood
08-25-2002, 08:37 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sonic1687:
<strong>99 and 2000 take place in south town.

read the story <a href="http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt" target="_blank">http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt</a>

and im 15, but why the hell does age matter?

and i dunno about you, but i always thought that fatal fury 1 took place in south town...you know, the first kof</strong><hr></blockquote>

Most of Fatal Fury takes place in Southtown - same as Real Bout FF - but KoF takes place all over the world - there's no "southtown" stage. Southtown is mentioned at the end of KoF 2000 - where was the southtown stage though?

Don't take those dumb faqs you get online for fact - let's look only at the games. It helps the argument a lot more. Games and neo geo freak magazine are the only two valid sources.

FeelGood
08-25-2002, 08:42 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

thanks sonic 1987,
</strong><hr></blockquote>

what a typo... did you do that on purpose, Fran? I'm impressed.

Fran
08-25-2002, 08:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

what a typo... did you do that on purpose, Fran? I'm impressed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i just wanted eiji to be in kof 2002

the 7 pages of this thread and the one i started are trash

clueless people moaning at me because i moan are funny

and your intelligent spam is always welcome,charlie

but the problem just wont go away:

eiji should have been in kof 2002,PERIOD

Evil Wasabi
08-25-2002, 09:03 PM
just look at the stages in 99 and 2000. the only ones that dont make sense are the korea town, and egypt looking stage.

they dont look world wide to me... i mean, what world wide tournament would be held in a sewer? or a construction site?

theres no glitz, no glamour nothing. no confetti, no camera men. its because it went away from all the commercialism.

K9999
08-25-2002, 09:05 PM
[quote] Originally posted by Fran:

eiji should have been in kof 2002,PERIOD<hr></blockquote>

And Geese

Loopz
08-25-2002, 09:05 PM
I got your back on this Fran, I understand exactly where you're coming from. I took the exact same kind of shit from people over Slug 4. It's tough to be a crusader for quality when some people will either

A. Buy it just because it's one more spine to jerk off on.

B. Sing its praises just because its ONE MORE Neo game.

C. Support it because they are new to the Neo and were never truly in tune with what made it great.

I mean, being a fan of SNK meant you wanted endlessly awesome, deeply replayable games with ZERO compromises in loading, animation, sound, ect. These were largely experiences that kept getting better until after 1998 for the most part. This is very clearly when the seams began coming apart for SNK, who began to sag under the weight of all the failed ventures (Neo Pocket, Hyper 64, Neo CD, etc.) I mean, yes, KoF2001 was quite the success for Playmore, at least in terms of sales. I think for most people KoF2002 represents a chance for them to really come out swinging and deliver something special, and I think that's why most folks are worried based on what they've seen so far. I mean, 2K1 was understandably recycled, it was cobbled together under the strange cloud of SNK biting the dust.
2002 should have shown how this company has its shit together, and so far that does NOT seem the case. Here's hoping it comes out OK. The odds are slim.

Megatron X
08-25-2002, 09:20 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>i just wanted eiji to be in kof 2002

eiji should have been in kof 2002,PERIOD
</strong><hr></blockquote>

[quote]Originally posted by K9999:
<strong>

And Geese</strong><hr></blockquote>

...and King :D

TheBigBB
08-25-2002, 10:08 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Loopz:
<strong>I got your back on this Fran, I understand exactly where you're coming from. I took the exact same kind of shit from people over Slug 4. It's tough to be a crusader for quality when some people will either

A. Buy it just because it's one more spine to jerk off on.

B. Sing its praises just because its ONE MORE Neo game.

C. Support it because they are new to the Neo and were never truly in tune with what made it great.

I mean, being a fan of SNK meant you wanted endlessly awesome, deeply replayable games with ZERO compromises in loading, animation, sound, ect. These were largely experiences that kept getting better until after 1998 for the most part. This is very clearly when the seams began coming apart for SNK, who began to sag under the weight of all the failed ventures (Neo Pocket, Hyper 64, Neo CD, etc.) I mean, yes, KoF2001 was quite the success for Playmore, at least in terms of sales. I think for most people KoF2002 represents a chance for them to really come out swinging and deliver something special, and I think that's why most folks are worried based on what they've seen so far. I mean, 2K1 was understandably recycled, it was cobbled together under the strange cloud of SNK biting the dust.
2002 should have shown how this company has its shit together, and so far that does NOT seem the case. Here's hoping it comes out OK. The odds are slim.</strong><hr></blockquote>


<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=18&t=005283" target="_blank">http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=18&t=005283</a>

You people go away! Get lost! Get away from the scene! You don't like the new games no matter what, so why stay around bothering everyone?

What really gets me is that everyone complained that MS4 is a rehash, but then says it's missing things. "METAL SLUG FOUR IS A REHASH! AND IT'S MISSING THINGS FROM PART 3!" It's totally different from the other slugs in terms of the actual levels. Ugh I don't want to get into this again... But I am so sick of this whining about the new games. They are not bad games! If you are bored of them, whatever! Come on, though... They do put a lot of thought into these games. I've spent TONS of time with MS4 and I know it has more nuanced stuff than you ever cared to discover. Did you ever get to the third boss with the double machine gun and kick his ass? Did you ever figure out how to beat the mummy section in one life? Did you ever take the time to try and beat the missions with 4 grey medals? It's hard stuff... There's a lot of great things in this game if you sit down with it! I would much rather play MS4 than MS3 most of the time. The flying and swimming parts of MS3 just get tedious. Not that it's bad, but it's not AS GOOD.

You make it out like you're on some wonderful crusade against bad quality... The truth it that these new games actually have just as many new things as anything SNK ever put out into their sequels. In MS2 we get the mummy form. In MS3 we get the zombie form. In MS4 we get the monkey form... For example. If you don't like the new games, stop acting like you can make a difference by dogmatically rejecting anything good about the new games. You're not changing Playmore's mind and you're just making yourself look dumb. Not because you don't like the new games, but because you and some other people seem to be of the opinion that the new games offer NOTHING and are total CRAP. Which is just silly because you seem to love other Neo-Geo games, so it's obvious that you're just... ahem.. jaded. Cause you cannot possibly love the previous KOFs and MS games and totally hate the new ones. There's not enough different about them that you could hate them so much. I mean, if you said "I don't like that they are so similar" that's one thing, but... ugh... Whatever man. I love the new Metal Slug, honest to god. I think they oughta give me a MS4 custom rank. hehe

JHendrix
08-25-2002, 10:24 PM
KOF2k1 is a shitload of fun. And I'm damn sure KOF2k2 will be hella fun as well.

Quit you're bitchin, I'm sure you'll all pay the $300+ for the cart when it comes out anyway, even if you think it sucks.

I can't wait for the games to come out personally.

Even if King isn't in it... <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

Peace

JHendrix

Loopz
08-25-2002, 10:35 PM
I had a hunch you'd jump on and try to counter what I said. I'm not gonna resort to personal attacks, if you dig Slug 4, great. You cannot characterize me as someone who hates every new Neo game, either. I just picked up Sengoku 3 for MVS and I think it's easily the class of the series, despite some small flaws like the repetitive enemies. Overall, Sengoku 3 is still a very fun and well-executed beat-em-up. And even though I'm not the biggest fan of Rage Of The Dragons fighting/dial-a-combo system, at least those folks at Evoga tried to come out and make something original, something Eolith/Mega seem to be genetically incapable of. Once again, KoF2002 should be their opportunity to show off what they are capable of, and so far it seems to be a leftoverfest once again. If you're happy with your 80% recycled Slug 4 with very minor skin-deep "new" elements, be my guest. You've got your Slug 4 worship thread, go enjoy. You aren't going to convert me, I've been a Neo devotee since 1990 and I know what I like. I purposely avoided going to your thread because I respect your right to express yourself, so back the fuck off my opinion dude.

EX_Andy
08-25-2002, 10:41 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>EX Andy,</strong><hr></blockquote>

Didn't you just say "goodbye" yesterday?

[quote]Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>are you dumb as hell or what? This is a Dream Match. He had no reason to be in the other KOF's cuz he was dead you genius. Geese is extremely popular and it would be expected of him to be in a KOF dream match. Everybody and their mother wanted Geese back and you damn well know it too so don't try to play like the "neutral" wise ass who isn't on either side.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh boy. Look, aside from the fact that Geese wasn't in the last dream match either, and that "story" is completely irrelevant, and that Geese has only ever been in one KOF game (and that was five years ago), understand this point: Geese is "popular" to you and me and Fran. Unfortunately, you, me, and Fran aren't making this game, Playmore is, and they make the decision. Would you prefer that they didn't make the game at all? KOF 2002 is what it is, take it or leave it.

Second, "everybody and his mother" doesn't want Geese. Even though he's easily one of the best video game characters ever, plenty of people don't like him. The problem is that you, like most other message board posters, posted something yourself abut Geese, then you saw like, 3 other people post "Yeah!", and now you suddenly think a million people agree with your "argument" (whatever that might be). You're wrong.

Playmore's biggest markets are in Asia and Central/South America. Know what that means? If you're in the US like me, it means that's why you don't have any NeoGeo machines in your neighborhood. They can't make the game every last thing that you, and only you want, because they don't exist to make you happy. They're a company, and they need to make money because they have employees (and creditors) that have to get paid, otherwise they'll go bankrupt like last time. They have to try to make their games appeal to the widest part of their audience, and even held a poll on their website that let you email in your votes, and from the look of things, more people voted for Billy & Yamazaki than they did for Geese. The people have already spoken. Even though I myself voted for Geese, not enough people voted for him in total--not nearly as many as you seem to think.

Listen very carefully: I want Geese in KOF more[/b][/i] than you do. I've been a fan of that character and have played him since before most people here even heard of the Neo. I'd also easily destroy your entire team with any version of any Geese from any game with both arms tied behind my back, because like most people on this board, you're less concerned with actually playing the games and more about complaining and mindlessly flaming other people.

[quote]Originally posted by Criterionradiohead:
<strong>Well I guess only time will tell, but I for one don't think it will be long till the last Neo Geo game comes out. I almost have the same stance on it that Fran did a few months back, just let it die.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That wasn't Fran.

[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>ex-andy:
think you're missing the point,really
its a dream match
i voted for eiji and geese</strong><hr></blockquote>

SO DID I!

[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>whats your problem?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look:

-KOF 2002 is on test with those characters. Which means that's what we're stuck with, for better or for worse.

-The NeoGeo hardware just isn't good enough to support the company. Aside from the fact that it's positively ancient, it's also fully emulated, and it's gotten to the point where ROM pirates download 100% faithful versions of all the new Neo games shortly after they're released.

-For some reason, Playmore is still releasing new Neo games, in spite of the fact that it's a horrible idea. The company has stated that part of the reason it's doing that is to keep development costs low (as opposed to paying licensing fees to use 3rd-party arcade hardware like NAOMI or the CPS boards).

-The company is also apparently still supporting AES, even though that just isn't a profitable market. Maybe as a thank-you to its fans.

Like I said, if I was calling the shots, I'd kill the Neo dead. It just doesn't make any sense to keep it around. SNK relied on it primarily, and went bankrupt.

If you don't like the game, don't buy it.

If you and lots of other people don't buy it, they die again.

Based on that, you should decide to do what you think is right.

[quote]Originally posted by Fygee:
<strong>That poster depresses me. Why didn't they get that dude to do the artwork?!! His pics of the characters look tons better than Nona's!</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you're referring to Shinkiro, who's responsible for "art" like this:

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/videogames/B00005MKYU/pictures/14/102-6324893-2620944#more-pictures" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/videogames/B00005MKYU/pictures/14/102-6324893-2620944#more-pictures</a>

I have to disagree fiercely. His drawings have always been garbage, and they've been especially bad in the CVS games. I hope he stays with Capcom permanently.

[quote]Originally posted by Neo Bomber Man:
<strong>I voted for Geese & Eiji too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

SO DID I!

[quote]Originally posted by pyrokilla:
<strong>if you have not played it personaly stfu.
Everytime a game is announced for MVS/AES I am supprised about the amount of bitching.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Another shred of sense.

[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>maybe once they build up their capital, we'll get some more re-drawn sprites, new characters, maybe even a new fucking license.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Getting warmer.

[quote]Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>You make it out like you're on some wonderful crusade against bad quality...

If you don't like the new games, stop acting like you can make a difference by dogmatically rejecting anything good about the new games. You're not changing Playmore's mind and you're just making yourself look dumb.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Red hot.

TheBigBB
08-25-2002, 10:42 PM
Well then stop confusing your opinion for a lack of quality. You want a recycled Slug game? It's called Metal Slug X; hailed as the best slug by almost everyone. Why would they redo the graphics anyway? The graphics in the other slugs were gorgeous AND they pushed the Neo-Geo to its limits. It's the GAME that should be looked at when talking about recycling, and MS4 is truly a different game with regards to level design and throws a few new things in the mix. That really is enough for me.

MilkManX
08-25-2002, 10:46 PM
[quote]Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>Well then stop confusing your opinion for a lack of quality. You want a recycled Slug game? It's called Metal Slug X; hailed as the best slug by almost everyone. Why would they redo the graphics anyway? The graphics in the other slugs were gorgeous AND they pushed the Neo-Geo to its limits. It's the GAME that should be looked at when talking about recycling, and MS4 is truly a different game with regards to level design and throws a few new things in the mix. That really is enough for me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wouldnt call Slug X a recycle. It was more like a Bandaid to fix the slowdown ridden Slug 2.

Loopz
08-25-2002, 10:56 PM
[quote]I wouldnt call Slug X a recycle. It was more like a Bandaid to fix the slowdown ridden Slug 2.

<hr></blockquote>

That's absolutely right. And the game was touted as such, not called Metal Slug 3 (which would have been worthy of being dissed). This is known, understood, accepted. BTW, I don't consider MSX my fave, I say Slug 3 wins hands down as the last true Slug game created by the real SNK.

Meanwhile, back in this thread...

I don't mean to get carried away, but I still sincerely hope KoF2002 comes out well. I have high expectations for this title, after all, if tiny-ass Arc System works can pump out something like Guilty Gear X, surely a much larger company like Eolith can do wonders for KoF. ;)

TheBigBB
08-25-2002, 11:14 PM
[quote]Originally posted by MilkManX:
<strong>

I wouldnt call Slug X a recycle. It was more like a Bandaid to fix the slowdown ridden Slug 2.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well the point is that people seem to look past that SNK made mistakes and I want to make sure people don't pretend like they were perfect. I want people to be more accepting of when they don't like something Playmore does.

FeelGood
08-26-2002, 12:22 AM
I voted for Yamazaki and Billy Kane and the NFT. Honestly I did.

So I guess I have to buy it.

Maybe it helps if you sign everything you send to playmore as "the biggest neo geo fan ever"

Worked for me.

Ran Thrie
08-26-2002, 01:39 AM
dang i didnt realize KOF is so character driven. in the past couple days No one has really talked about gameplay. Yea, Eiji nor Geese are in the game and I was mad...for about 5 mins. I know i'll still buy this game. I thought people would be rejoycing over the fact of no strikers.

guess not.

Someone said they wanted '94 with MOTW animation...
i mean dam does a light kick really need mega frames? I think the animation is in all the right places in KOF. I think 2k2 will be just as fun as '98. It's ashame if a few missin charas will ruin the game for you. I'm starting to wonder how long KOF will continue.

10 in 2010
08-26-2002, 04:41 AM
whoooooooooo yeah i ain't been in this thread for a while. in front of me i have my kof '98 manual. line-up:

Kyo
Benimaru
Goro
Terry
Andy
Joe
Ryo
Robert
Yuri
Leona
Ralf
Clark
Athena
Kensou
Chin
Kagura
Mai
King
Kim
Chang
Choi
Yamazaki
Mary
Billy
Yashiro
Shermie
Chris
Iori
Mature
Vice
Heidern
Takuma
Saisho
Heavy D!
Lucky
Brian B
Shingo
G.Rugal

that's 38 chars.

compared to kof'97 that's a 12 character upgrade.
+ new sprites and 2 versions of some chars to cater for old and new movelists (not changing takuma...duh eolith)

that was nearly 5 years ago.

so what does this 'new' dream match have to offer?

about 6 chars from the nests era?

no jhun?(i mean he was one of SNK's last made chars he should be in it as a sign of respect of nothing else)

no geese, eiji, krauser,duck king,mr .big,king
-all these could have had a part, all sprites were ready made.

instead we get billy and yamazaki,mature and vice, who were in the last dream match.

the same artist even though the 2k1 artwork was criticized so bad.

old tunes? wow how original. even though it's much better than the 2k1 music. but even so nearly all those tunes are in kof'98.

so yes we have every right to our 'first impressions' and if our FI thinks it sucks, we are probably right!

Takumaji
08-26-2002, 04:51 AM
I see it this way, if ppl want to complain and whine, so be it - this is a dicussion forum. After all, it's not only another fighting game we're talking about, it's KoF, and ppl tend go get emotional about it.

Fran
08-26-2002, 06:11 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Loopz:
<strong>It's tough to be a crusader for quality when some people will Support it because they are new to the Neo and were never truly in tune with what made it great.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

YEAH ! too right !
as i said countless times before,
i am gonna buy the game and that goes without saying
ITS A KOF !!!
i'm a fanboy,yes
but i still can be objective
i was commenting about the fact that they did very little this year
since most of the stuff is ripped from 97 / 98
and people mentioning old hardware and limitations are STILL missing the point
can you not understand what i'm saying?
a new kof game cant have more than 40 fighters?
ok,we all know,big fuckin deal
they can just rip stuff from the past and go:
ehi,this is 2002
or they can do like they did in 96 or 99
when at least HALF of the stuff in the game was NEW
even 98 had at least 7 or 8 NEW sprites
and shitloads little new things
thats why i was "bitching"
i'm the biggest kof fan,
so i have the right to be upset for something like that so you guys stfu

having said that i'm glad 2002 is a 3 vs 3 and despite the absence of eiji & geese,
i'm gonna play it for fuckin weeks

ex-andy:
geese and eiji are popular,specially geese
hell,geese IS the spirit of SNK !
the whole 96 boss team is pretty popular i think
if you can check the current arcadia issue,
they have an article about kof 2002
and they DO mention eiji and geese
so if japanese people are with us...

then i just suspect eolith didnt include em because they didnt want to redraw a damn thing

( and couldnt rip eiji 95 )

thats my opinion

about the bgs:
my friend said they're very good this year

yay !

said the one inside the leaning tower of pisa is specially cool,
because you're like inside an elevator ( ala rolento sfz2 )

Fran
08-26-2002, 06:16 AM
btw,he had to pay 1500 Y to play kof 2002 for about forty minutes


greedy bastards

dfx
08-26-2002, 07:10 AM
listen
for people who dont have played every
single kof, this "new" kof02 might
be fcking awesome...i mean you get tons
of 'new' charas like billy,vice and yashiro..
and a cool "new" boss too!

but for the others,the veterans, this is
not enough!
no new chara not even one of the so much
wanted ol tops like eiji krauser geese big ..
no redrawn sprites at all, i mean im playing
with iori since 95 now and its about time
they rewdraw him now! athena gets redrawn
every year too, so why not the others?
cause they are LAZY FCKERS!

if they had honor they would ask only for
150$ for the cart...

oh and fran:

Eolith was making kof01.

like they did kof02 !

or did i miss something?

Fran
08-26-2002, 07:26 AM
[quote]Originally posted by dfx:
<strong>
oh and fran:

Eolith was making kof01.

like they did kof02 !

or did i miss something?</strong><hr></blockquote>

yes
kof 2001:
goro,xiang fei and heidern RIPPED from 98 / 99

eolith made it

do we notice a pattern?

Stephane
08-26-2002, 09:49 AM
mmmm if i say that s only a game ! i will be flamed ? :)

FeelGood
08-26-2002, 10:39 AM
KoF 98 had a lot of new sprits - look at Vice in that game - completely original.

Iori got a load of new sprites for his new move, his ending poses (the D button pose is such an understatement! My fav pose.)

I'm impressed Loopz. You liked Sengoku 2001. It's funny how many people actually share things in common with me here. Often I feel like I'm going against the grain by praising Sengoku 2001, KoF 94 and SS3. This past week I found different people that appreciate all three of those games more than the rest of their respective series (I'll say that SS2 is the best game, but that doesn't mean I love it the most).

Back to kof 02 and Geese - remember that poll to see who the poster people would be for SNK vs. Capcom on the SNK website back in 99? Who was the top voted character for SNK? ;) Exactly.

But it would look too funny to put Ryu and Geese on the poster facing each other, so they made it between #3 Kyo and Ryu. Expected. Like a high school class presidential election, these video game votes are all done in vain.

Loopz
08-26-2002, 07:21 PM
[quote]I'm impressed Loopz. You liked Sengoku 2001. It's funny how many people actually share things in common with me here. Often I feel like I'm going against the grain by praising Sengoku 2001, KoF 94 and SS3. This past week I found different people that appreciate all three of those games more than the rest of their respective series (I'll say that SS2 is the best game, but that doesn't mean I love it the most).

<hr></blockquote>

Trieu hooked me up with Sengoku 3 and I think the art, playability and music are top notch. Of course, this comes from someone who still digs the shit out of side-scrolling beat-em-ups, so make of that what you will. Since you mentioned it, I'd also like to point how much I also fuckin' LOVE KoF'94. It's fighting engine still feels awesome, and the BG's and music are still top 5 among all Neo games. I still find new shit in that game every time I give it a whirl.

BTW, I'm not trying to piss on anyone's parade when discussing Playmore/Eolith, I really want them to live up to SNK's legacy, but so far I'm just not seeing it. I refuse to lie about the way I feel about these new releases just to pal around with people here. This is a board where people are supposed to share information and debate ideas, not to get your panties in a bunch about someone dissing something you bought. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the fuckin' kitchen. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

FINAL SHOWDOWN
08-27-2002, 08:31 AM
Perhaps after SNK vs Capcom like that will be the last game on the mvs ect. It really would be nice to see them just use some other system like ok...this would happen but...

next year or some shit well its another dream match. for whatever reason. BUt Its a new dream match on a differnt system just with like every character ever or some shit. wouldnt be as hard as normaly to put toghter so say they put that game out on the new hardware so they can make a all the new kof sprites ect yadda for the new game since that would take awhile.


i dunno as for the whole argument that its a rematch not a lot of time was taken. Well i think imo i'd rather have a newer version of a good game then a newer version of a game i didnt care to much for.

Fygee
08-27-2002, 09:10 AM
Yeesh, flame war-ish goodness. :p

[quote]If you're referring to Shinkiro, who's responsible for "art" like this:

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/videogames/B00005MKYU/pictures/14/102-6324893-2620944#more-pictures" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/videogames/B00005MKYU/pictures/14/102-6324893-2620944#more-pictures</a>

I have to disagree fiercely. His drawings have always been garbage, and they've been especially bad in the CVS games. I hope he stays with Capcom permanently.<hr></blockquote>

I have to fiercely disagree with your fierce disagreement. In my OPINION Shinkirou's artwork is vastly superior to Nona's in nearly every aspect. Nona is a good artist, make no mistake about it, but his rather strange style simply doesn't mix with KOF.

Besides that, I was referring to the art on the poster, which is done by the Buriki One fellow.

Setsuna1982
08-27-2002, 12:28 PM
Well... i'm waiting for this kof. And until I play it it will be GREAT for me. I don't know what are you thinking. I mean: COME ON! IT'S 2002. AND A NEW KOF IS COMING WITH LOTS OF CHARACTERS. Why you throw shit? Perhaps you are exceptic with playmore... but trust them. They're STARTING. And this market isn't easy.

I've just played MS4 at the arcade. Many people said it's a recycle shit game. Well... I LOVE IT. It's what a ms game should be. What's the problem with you? What's the matter of fighting again those grunts? When I play I try to ENJOY the game forgiving reused graphics and that. I want a challenge and MS4 is challenging.

KOF2001 looked like crap, that's right. But I say it's crap AFTER playing it (And i like the gameplay).

I'm looking foward to play kof2002 (a lot of months of waiting I guess :p ). And from what i've read in the "previews" it's great. After playing it we can judge it. But if we destroy it before playing it kof2002 will fail because of bad reputation.

And don't forget that SNK vs Capcom is under the way... perhaps the new sprites and improvements you're looking for are there (Sure geese will fight in SvC)

rarehero
08-27-2002, 12:41 PM
shinkiros art made kof seem serious.
kof 2001s art makes me think its some dumb kiddie game.

10 in 2010
08-27-2002, 03:05 PM
[quote]Originally posted by rarehero:
<strong>shinkiros art made kof seem serious.
kof 2001s art makes me think its some dumb kiddie game.</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's so true.

MilkManX
08-27-2002, 07:53 PM
I admit it. At first I didnt dig Shinkiros stuff. His old stuff still isnt all that great but the stuff he has done in the past 4-5 years is amazing. His cover for GBA Super Ghouls and Ghosts is awesome. I dont care for the art in KOF 2001 at all. Yuri looks horrible.

ShikiMikoto
08-27-2002, 08:36 PM
Whew, quite a ruckus on those previous 8 pages...

Well, I personally voted for the NFT, but one-by-one...what a dumbass I was...I shouldve known this was gonna be a dreammatch...I would've voted for Geese...but Eiji didn't cross my mind at that time...I was ranting for them to REMOVE HINAKO, AND THANK GOD THEY DID!!!! I would've liked to see Eiji develop in retrospect..he has potential..

But no King? Huh? Very odd...I would've done away with Shingo, his silliness annoys me...in KoF '02, why not just make King that random pop-up challenger, eh? But Eolith just stuck all the people not fighting in the backgrounds...greeeeaaatt..now they're doing the "CvSNK2" method, everyone that most people want in the BGS!

What a pity you don't like hanzo, fran...I thought he had more style than eiji...but that's because he appeared in more games...but I agree Eiji NEEDS development...

But at least my home-girls Vice and mature are in this, and vice has a cool new stance! But Mature has her dumb '98 stance..god it makes her look so retarded..they should've stuck with her '96 stance...

As for the art, I hope it's not as ugly as in '01...sigh, that was a mess..

KoF '01 was pretty challenging, but why the heck did they have to recycle Zero into "Original Zero?" what a waste...I'd have liked to see Long, how cool he looked as Zero's striker...

Welol, look at the bright side, at least they didn't put the Sports Team back in, man, that Brian Battler is trash..i'm glad they didn'nt put him back in..

It's all about Geese people, it's all about Geese, may he return in the next dreammatch, IF THERE IS ONE!

aw man, why am I a "timid" neo-newbie? I posted three times after I registered today, oh well, hope that changes tomorrow...godspeed, people

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]</p>

Fran
08-27-2002, 10:00 PM
whoa now !

a new member who isnt 13
knows what a neo geo is
doesnt come here only to spam in unrelated
probably is even good at kof
and likes eiji


you're more than welcome


i dont dislike hanzo,hes just too serious for my tastes

i like mai,eiji and yamada

they are PROPER TOPS fighters,but they're also a bit fucked in the head

cant beat that :)

ShikiMikoto
08-27-2002, 10:34 PM
all right! Pleased to meet you, Fran! <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

long live the ninjas!

(edited: tight! I'm a neophyte now! I guess the ranks go by tens...better get cracking)

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]</p>

neojedi
08-30-2002, 09:18 AM
Update #4 from MMcafe:
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From Kenshinpou, 2ch

- Not all DMs have an SDM version.

- There are hidden SDMs in the game, which changes the screen to a blue background with white lines running across when executed (Adopted from K9999's Hidden SDM in KOF2001). It is unknown if these SDMs can be performed at any time, or if a condition is required.

- Joe has a move which resembles his Double Cyclone from CvS2, as his Hidden SDM.

- Kim can only do his SDM Phoenix combo in the air.

- Takuma lost his Zanretsuken and Shourankyaku (dashing Knee). His Koouken no longer comes out, but has a strong hit detection around his palm..

- Choi and Vice have new supers. Kyo still has his throw super from 2001.

- Iori can cancel his Distant C. Can't connect from close Fierce C to forward +B.

- Yamazaki's sand swipe is 97 style with weak button, 98 style with fierce button.

JHendrix
08-30-2002, 09:45 AM
Fuck it all, it's a new KOF and it's going to be fun. I mean that's why we're here, cause KOF is fucking fun as hell!

I can't WAIT to get my hands around this game!

Peace

JHendrix

ShikiMikoto
08-30-2002, 04:57 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>Fuck it all, it's a new KOF and it's going to be fun. I mean that's why we're here, cause KOF is fucking fun as hell!

I can't WAIT to get my hands around this game!

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>


Agreed.