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Force
08-21-2002, 10:52 AM
<a href="http://www.planetps2.com/mmcafe/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.planetps2.com/mmcafe/index.html</a>

Not much is shown in these 2 small low res pics, but 2 things are intersting if these pics are from the game.

#1) Vice and mature are back

2) 3 on 3 teams, which could mean no more strikers. (yay!)

Just thought I'd bring this up since no one else did yet.

Matt

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Force ]</p>

Takumaji
08-21-2002, 11:05 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Force:
<strong> [...] 2) 3 on 3 teams, which could mean no more strikers. (yay!) [...] </strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope this is true. I really, really hope so.

Order select looks like the good ole' times.

Perhaps our prayers have been heard.

Loopz
08-21-2002, 11:08 AM
If strikers are finally killed off like the bitch-ass idea they've always been, here's one old-school KoF fan whose hopes have risen a bit.
Vice and Mature coming back is cool too. There's hope yet for this game. KoF should ALWAYS be 3-on-3. TBS baby! :D

ocsmod
08-21-2002, 11:09 AM
Yeah, it's a pity the really LOW res though.
Anyway, the screens look nice. Futuristic, as the new KOF logo.
Thanks for the info Force. :)

Fran
08-21-2002, 11:19 AM
well
it was pretty clear game was gonna be a 3 vs 3
right from the very beginning

but its nice to be finally sure,though

keep in mind 2002 IS a dream match

so they could always go back to strikers again in 2003

its a nice first step,though

strikers must disappear forever

sprites need to be updated - redrawn

MANY fighters need to go cos i'm sick of em

and many others fighters are so stupid / useless,
they're just taking up precious space

space that should be used to create great tunes and amazing backgrounds

kof 96 staff

we need you back,guys

less than joseph
08-21-2002, 11:23 AM
think happy thoughts...

...dont be lame

...dont be lame

-joseph

BUSTA_WOLF
08-21-2002, 11:24 AM
yeah but 2 things:

1. Vice And Mature suck, two of the worst KOF characters.

2. I happen to like the strikers, they make the game more interesting. <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" />

Brandon St Randy
08-21-2002, 11:28 AM
take a close look at the second pic. looks like Kim got redrawn. But look at the shadows behind him. Looks like Yashiro, Shermie, and Chris. :cool:

JHendrix
08-21-2002, 11:30 AM
Yay, no strikers.

So much for getting sprites re-done. Kim does look a little different but I doubt it. The rest look EXACTLY the same. They could have added animations but I really wish they'd re-do the sprites.

We can only hope....

Peace

JHendrix

Takumaji
08-21-2002, 11:34 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>yeah but 2 things:

1. Vice And Mature suck, two of the worst KOF characters.

2. I happen to like the strikers, they make the game more interesting. <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

So it seems you're screwed, eh? Too bad. <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

SilverAngel
08-21-2002, 11:40 AM
I hope they get more pics up soon! :)

Fran
08-21-2002, 11:43 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>yeah but 2 things:

1. Vice And Mature suck, two of the worst KOF characters.

2. I happen to like the strikers, they make the game more interesting. <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

kof is a 3 vs 3 game,PERIOD

mature and vice are kewl

miles better than the newcomers from 99 - 2000

hinako,bao,ramon,lin,seth,maxima and the rest of those losers

Devil_Gans
08-21-2002, 11:44 AM
Those pics look cool.I wonder how many more old fighters would return.
Yeah, more pics!!! :D

JHendrix
08-21-2002, 11:45 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

kof is a 3 vs 3 game,PERIOD

mature and vice are kewl

miles better than the newcomers from 99 - 2000

hinako,bao,ramon,lin,seth,maxima and the rest of those losers</strong><hr></blockquote>

K', Kula, and Lin are cool, and I consider them worthy additions. Don't really like the rest of them that much.

And smart move excluding 2k1 from that list, cause there are some jems added in that game.. :)

Peace

JHendrix

Fran
08-21-2002, 11:48 AM
K' = good

maxima = loser / doesnt fit

bao = blasphemy / doesnt fit

whip = ugly

vanessa = good

seth = wtf?!

hinako = see bao

ramon = madness

kula = pretty / i like vampire

lin = bah,give me EIJI not this stupid tw*t

foxy = alright

angel = cool as ice

k9999 = so so / i like vampire

may lee = ok

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Fran ]</p>

SonGohan
08-21-2002, 11:51 AM
Man I hope Kim gets his old stance back (one from '95). Kinda looks like it from that pic.

JHendrix
08-21-2002, 11:53 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>K' = good
maxima = loser
bao = blasphemy
whip = ugly
vanessa = good
seth = wtf?!
hinako = see bao
ramon = madness
foxy = alright
angel = cool as ice
k9999 = so so
may lee = ok</strong><hr></blockquote>

No double spaces!! I'm proud of ya! Don't worry just 11 more steps to go!

Seriously though:

K' = excellent
maxima = not even close
bao = an insult to our intelligence
whip = she's fun to play with, but a little too defensive for my practial use
vanessa = good -ditto
seth = wtf?! -agreed
hinako = cute, but not quite right
ramon = bah!
foxy = ehh
angel = Oh ho ho baby!
k9999 = so so
may lee = good stuff
Kula = good start, needs more work
Lin = Bad ass...

Peace

JHendrix

JHendrix
08-21-2002, 11:56 AM
[quote]Originally posted by SonGohan:
<strong>Man I hope Kim gets his old stance back (one from '95). Kinda looks like it from that pic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And his B,F+K

It's sad playing him w/o that!

Peace

JHendrix

SonGohan
08-21-2002, 12:04 PM
I wish they'd give him back his old hishokyaku back. God I've prayed for that day. I think that's the only reason I play KOF '94. I hate how you have to qcf it now, and it doesn't even do a regular hit. It just taps them 2 or 3 times, if you're in deep enough.

Takumaji
08-21-2002, 12:05 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong> [...] hinako,bao,ramon,lin,seth,maxima and the rest of those losers</strong><hr></blockquote>

'cept for Seth I'm with ya.

Specially Bao should go, that lil' prick is so annoying.

On the other hand - I have no hope they put Takuma in again, but as long as Saisyu is there, it's allright for me.

LWK
08-21-2002, 12:06 PM
I've seen those pics, I totally dig em.... Lets hope this aint a slap in the face, yeah?

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Lord Wolfgang Krauser ]</p>

SNKJorge
08-21-2002, 12:19 PM
Thanks for the info...

rarehero
08-21-2002, 12:43 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>yeah but 2 things:

1. Vice And Mature suck, two of the worst KOF characters.

2. I happen to like the strikers, they make the game more interesting. <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

i ll rock your ass with them girls.
2002 is looking better already.
http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/icons/icon30.gifthank the NEO gods.http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/icons/icon30.gif

Evil Wasabi
08-21-2002, 12:55 PM
I'll miss the strikers.

I play a pre 99 Fighter I press the buttones to call a striker and realize they aren't there.

neojedi
08-21-2002, 01:00 PM
Wow nice pics! Looks like KOF '98 meets Star Trek: The Motion Picture. :D But anyway, Vice and Mature needed to be in another game, they were both great, unusual characters and '96 and '98 did not fully tap their potential.

WTF is up with New Face team in shadows behind Team Korea? :eek: I hope that it's a teaser added to the pic and that the game doesn't use an entire team of strikers or something. Because if they're not strikers, then they're in the game, right?! <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

And as far as new chars in 99-2K goes, Whip is the best, bring back the 2K1 version with another super and you have one of the most unusual, interesting, and deep chars in the game. Vanessa is good also, but every time I play her I get the feeling that SNK is saying, "No you can't have Rick! Take this instead." K' is a carefully assembled beast with artificial style, and the rest of the new chars need work.

Kid Aphex
08-21-2002, 01:18 PM
its great to see some progression is being done behind the scenes; but cmon...i can't believe they brought those two [vice and mature] back.
what a waste.

if they brought those fucking ditz back, and took out May Lee or K9999; i'm going to fucking fly a helicopter into Eolith's shitty little office building.


new sprites! new sprites!
ray

RyoGeo
08-21-2002, 01:19 PM
Cool. . .

Too bad Iori is still seeing Addam Ant's tailor.

Rade K
08-21-2002, 01:21 PM
I'm sure we'll see a lot more in the next few weeks.

I wonder how the stages will turn out. I think the ones in 2K1 didnt fit in at all.

Let us hope they add some somewhat decent new game play ideas. As it is, I think KOF is getting tired.

vishema
08-21-2002, 01:29 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>yeah but 2 things:

1. Vice And Mature suck, two of the worst KOF characters.

2. I happen to like the strikers, they make the game more interesting. <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

1. you suck, I think you won't be saying the same thing when I kick your ass with them!! <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" />

2. strickers ....... I can live with or without them!.. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

MilkManX
08-21-2002, 02:00 PM
Looking good....


*still hopes for Duck King to be in the game*


:D

dfx
08-21-2002, 02:02 PM
yeha! I LOVE THE NEOGEO!!

those pics are cool, but...

the bad about them:

IORI has his fcking cloths again <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> they are OUT
Eolith!
GORO without his full judo sweat <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> are you afraid of
changes EOLITH?
Chang and Choi again.. <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> you dont learn anyting, do you
EOLITH?

the good about them:

3 vs. 3 again! :) i liked the striker only in kof 00-
New face are back! :) so or so...
stylish order select! :) like in 97 or 98.

YEA I LOVE KOF!
Oh and frans right
many have to go!

ready for the 31.
ready for more pics!

Real Bout Maniac
08-21-2002, 02:04 PM
Same ol' sprites = bad

3 vs. 3 matches (hopefully) = good

I'll keep any other thoughts on hold until Eolith releases more info on August 31st. I'm not a *huge* KoF fan to begin with, but it would be nice to go back to the "old school" style that it once was.

Just out of curiosity though, what do people think of Jhun? I could never really get into him, but he seemed to be pretty popular with a lot of people, especially those who could really use him (he was a favorite on the KoF mailing list).

mookystains
08-21-2002, 02:05 PM
im happy.
strikers suck, i have never liked em.
and for some reason kof 99' makes me wanna vomit.
so no strikers makes me happy.

Shin Guile X
08-21-2002, 02:38 PM
I like using Jhun. I also really like Maxima's sprite but he needs a new move set. I was really looking forward to seeing the older characters get a new makeover but oh well. After playing KOF 2K I think they still look good, but a change would have been nice.

What I am really looking forward to is seeing how the backgrounds come out. Hopefully they will be more like 95-97 instead of 2k-2k1.

takuman
08-21-2002, 02:48 PM
in the <a href="http://www.kofonline.com" target="_blank">www.kofonline.com</a> the pics are
more bigs
kof rules
I am very happy.
<img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" /> <img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" /> <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" /> <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" />

10 in 2010
08-21-2002, 02:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Real Bout Maniac:
<strong>

Just out of curiosity though, what do people think of Jhun? I could never really get into him, but he seemed to be pretty popular with a lot of people, especially those who could really use him (he was a favorite on the KoF mailing list).</strong><hr></blockquote>

yes i love jhun, he's one of the best new chracters, learning the stances and techniques takes ages to perfect and he was a really good design too. then fucking EOLITH=SHIT takes him out, and replaces him with yet another *sigh* annoying girl chracter. KOF is armed to the teeth with these already if your going to axe a charater axe fuckin' BAO not JHUN for christsakes!!!

pyrokilla
08-21-2002, 02:51 PM
Vice and Mature rule, If this game is like 2001 without strickers, with Mature and Vice, and loses lame characters, I will have to rob a bank and buy a neo-geo aes along with the homecart. ;)

BUSTA_WOLF
08-21-2002, 02:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by vishema:
<strong>

1. you suck, I think you won't be saying the same thing when I kick your ass with them!! <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" />

2. strickers ....... I can live with or without them!.. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

There is no chance in hell that you would beat me with Vice and Mature, i'ld just have the mighty Joe Higashi and Seth and you'd be down for the count <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> :rolleyes:

oh yeh and don't steal my signiture go get your own ideas <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> :mad:

Fran
08-21-2002, 03:05 PM
[quote]Originally posted by neojedi:
<strong>
WTF is up with New Face team in shadows behind Team Korea? :eek: I hope that it's a teaser added to the pic and that the game doesn't use an entire team of strikers or something</strong><hr></blockquote>

COM TEAM SELECT

neojedi
08-21-2002, 03:08 PM
[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>axe fuckin' BAO not JHUN for christsakes!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Come to think of it, that's actually a possible scenario... Chin is about ready to retire and Jhun already has connections to Athena. So for Psycho team 2K2, Athena, Kensou, and Jhun? That would rule! :cool:

But I'd be shocked to see it, 3rd team member is probably still Chin or Bao. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

neojedi
08-21-2002, 03:10 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>COM TEAM SELECT</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for pointing that out, I missed it (hard to see). So New Face is in!!! <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />

dfx
08-21-2002, 03:20 PM
I think we, neo.geo.com, must make a big
official kof character vote after the aes release, i which we
vote the charas that must go away from kof!

this is really a needfull thing in order to let the
kof-series atract us more again!

consider that we, the asian neo community and of
course the arcade users keep the series at life.

coz of this fact we should have kind of ahem.. decision
right in wich way the series should develope.

LETS HAVE AN OFFICIAL KOF CHARACTER VOTE AFTER
THE KOF 02 RELEASE!!!

toy_brain
08-21-2002, 03:29 PM
As ever, some of our prayers have been answered, and sone have not.
Same old sprites -looks like that 'total overhaull' is on hold yet again. I like the style of the select screen though, sort of remanissent of the '99 style mixed with '96 if memory serves.

Still, new characters- I hope there are some, or at least a new boss (I really dont want to have to fight Zero AGAIN!) have yet to be revealed - still plenty for Eolith to show is and plenty to speculate about.

10 in 2010
08-21-2002, 03:41 PM
[quote]Originally posted by neojedi:
<strong>

Come to think of it, that's actually a possible scenario... Chin is about ready to retire and Jhun already has connections to Athena. So for Psycho team 2K2, Athena, Kensou, and Jhun? That would rule! :cool:

But I'd be shocked to see it, 3rd team member is probably still Chin or Bao. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


that's an interesting thought,neojedi!

after Kim and Jhun's 'fall out' at the end of 2k1 (check my sig) Jhun could go to the PS team, and there could be some rivalry between the korean and PS team (and god do these teams need something like that to keep them interesting)

Fran
08-21-2002, 03:49 PM
http://www.bigdarkcloud.com/sloth.jpg

sloth says:

eiji,geese and shermie better be there in kof 2002

or i'm coming to steal your baby ruth,diiiiiiigs

vishema
08-21-2002, 03:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>

There is no chance in hell that you would beat me with Vice and Mature, i'ld just have the mighty Joe Higashi and Seth and you'd be down for the count <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> :rolleyes:

oh yeh and don't steal my signiture go get your own ideas <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

That's what you think, I do combos that no one dreamed of with those two

BTW take a look at this thread and checkout my last post<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=001127" target="_blank"> <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </a> &lt;-click signature theft you say?? <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

Kid Aphex
08-21-2002, 04:10 PM
[quote]Originally posted by vishema:
<strong>

That's what you think, I do combos that no one dreamed of with those two

BTW take a look at this thread and checkout my last post<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=001127" target="_blank"> <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </a> &lt;-click signature theft you say?? <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

PLease dont degrade this post into a stupid fucking fight over who's the better player, or which of you found the STUPIDER fucking .Gif.

discuss!
ray

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Kid Aphex ]</p>

RiotoftheBlood
08-21-2002, 04:27 PM
I'm certainly glad to see Vice and especially Mature return. Mature is one of my favorite KOF characters, up there with Whip and Iori.

Atro
08-21-2002, 04:46 PM
I like the 98 teams line up.

I just hpe that in 2002 they'll bring old characters inspite of those Bao's , Seth's, Whip's... :rolleyes:

BUSTA_WOLF
08-21-2002, 05:21 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>

PLease dont degrade this post into a stupid fucking fight over who's the better player, or which of you found the STUPIDER fucking .Gif.

discuss!
ray

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Kid Aphex ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey if you see we are discussing Vice and Mature, who are included in the original post, you ignorant fool <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

mego fennesz
08-21-2002, 05:26 PM
Sweet baby joseph :eek:


HeavyD! please :D

Kid Aphex
08-21-2002, 05:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by mego fennesz:
<strong>Sweet baby joseph :eek:


HeavyD! please :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Now THAT is an AWESOME suggestion.
Here's mine [personal fave]

LUCKY! bring back lucky!

peace,
ray

Stephane
08-21-2002, 06:02 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>

There is no chance in hell that you would beat me with Vice and Mature, i'ld just have the mighty Joe Higashi and Seth and you'd be down for the count <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> :rolleyes:

oh yeh and don't steal my signiture go get your own ideas <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

if you think vice and mature sucks, well you arent a real kof players.

10 in 2010
08-21-2002, 06:16 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Stephane:
<strong>

if you think vice and mature sucks, well you arent a real kof players.</strong><hr></blockquote>

that must make me a 'fake' KOF player then. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

BUSTA_WOLF
08-21-2002, 06:18 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Stephane:
<strong>

if you think vice and mature sucks, well you arent a real kof players.</strong><hr></blockquote>

hey man you have no right to say that, i don't see how people can actually like vice or mature they're just 2 bog average characters, i have all right to my opinion ass wipe, explain to me what makes a "real KOF player" then since you seem to know it all and also what gives you the right to define whos a real KOF player? why do i always get into these pety little arguments with fools like you
<img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

10 in 2010
08-21-2002, 06:19 PM
personally i never understood the appeal of vice and mature.

vice looks and acts like some drugged up hooker whining and groaning around the place, and she has the damn move where she keeps flingin' ya around

mature well she's just vice in white, i guess.

i laughed my ass of when iori tore them up at the end of KOF'96 <img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" />

just my 0.2

FINAL SHOWDOWN
08-21-2002, 06:20 PM
I think vice and mature suck. Kinda ah waste if you ask me on 2 characters outa the 35 or however many it is.

Stephane
08-21-2002, 06:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>

hey man you have no right to say that, i don't see how people can actually like vice or mature they're just 2 bog average characters, i have all right to my opinion ass wipe, explain to me what makes a "real KOF player" then since you seem to know it all and also what gives you the right to define whos a real KOF player? why do i always get into these pety little arguments with fools like you
<img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


well your argument was
1. Vice And Mature suck, two of the worst KOF characters.


i think my argument is better than your.
And i m not a fool, i m a arcade player, and vice and mature are a strong characters in kof98 , believe, and ask all experienced kof players here.

k'_127
08-21-2002, 06:45 PM
My opinion is that they should have added only one of them (I prefer mature) ...... it will depend in who did they removed and added , if Eiji was not added 4 example ...... then they (V & M) will be a waste of space


and WHERE ARE THE STRIKERS <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

I hope they replace it with another fun system <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> and I am sure they will <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" />

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: k'_127 ]</p>

jeff bogard
08-21-2002, 07:15 PM
vice can't be put without mature so its either both or neither. and yes arcade players are pretty good with almost anyone, if your a loner like i'm guessing a lot of people here are then you still have a lot to learn outside the team storylines. i'm glad the orochi team is back.
one more thing i went to vegas but only found capcom vs snk2 the only game with snk fighters does anyone know where there are some mvs arcades.

10 in 2010
08-21-2002, 07:24 PM
am i the only one who couldn't give a toss about the new face'97 team??

i just don;t like the designs and the '97 story didn't really develop them much 'hello we will fight you,now we use your energy. HA!!'

Shermie's a cross between Iori and vice and chris is just a litle wuss that paved the way for the likes of Bao.

Just my Opinion

Ran Thrie
08-21-2002, 07:38 PM
yas Shermie Chris... I'm already happy. Strikers...I dont care if they are in the game or not. just means I cant embarrass people anymore really. Gimme Saisyu and Geese and I'm sold.

PoOF!
((Shinobi Vanish))

Shito
08-21-2002, 08:38 PM
K' = new lead character, 'nuff said
maxima = perfect K' sideckick, too cool
bao = well fitting the CHina team, interesting gameplay
whip = cute as a doll, with great attitude
vanessa = pretty cool
seth = wtf?! IDIOTIC
hinako = wtf?! Seems like a stupid Ranma character
ramon = quite lame grappler
foxy = cool as ice
angel = cool and original in gamplay
k9999 = just the perfect rival for K'
may lee = good stuff
Kula = great chara, but lame sprite
Lin = Bad ass, really cool...

insaneben
08-21-2002, 09:14 PM
After I saw those pics, I went totally nuts. I ran around the room shouting "YES! Vice and Mature are back! WOOOOOO HAHAHAHAA!!" (yes, I actually said that last part too).

The Striker system was nice and all, but I never really used it much (I never chose to have any strikers when I played KOF 2001 at Otakon), so whatever system replaces it must be good.

I have more thoughts on what KOF 2002 might be like, but I'll save them for another topic.

Force
08-21-2002, 10:42 PM
I orignally didn't see the new face team in the background. That's VERY nice as well. Put in billy kane, yamazaki, geese and rugal, and it is my personal dream match :D And yah, vice and mature are damn good characters, especially in 98. I love the fact that they're back.

Matt

EX_Andy
08-21-2002, 11:33 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>
...</strong><hr></blockquote>

K, Kula, Maxima, Foxy = crap
Whip, Seth = crap on a stick
Lin, Hinako = [crap x 10]
Bao = [crap] x 100
K9999 = fair
Vice = used to be cool, now annoying
Mature, New Face, Vanessa, Angel, May Lee = good
Jhun Hoon = awesome

[quote]Originally posted by SonGohan:
<strong>Man I hope Kim gets his old stance back (one from '95). Kinda looks like it from that pic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It actually looks exactly like Jae Hoon's stance from that screenshot. Change is good.

[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>And his B,F+K It's sad playing him w/o that!
</strong><hr></blockquote>

They took that move out because it was worthless. Too slow to be worth a damn, and the back-charge thing didn't suit how aggressive a character he's become.

[quote]Originally posted by SonGohan:
<strong>I wish they'd give him back his old hishokyaku back. God I've prayed for that day. I think that's the only reason I play KOF '94. I hate how you have to qcf it now, and it doesn't even do a regular hit. It just taps them 2 or 3 times, if you're in deep enough.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And the new version does plenty of block damage, and if you're skillful enough to catch someone in the air with it, you can juggle them into oblivion. Rather than being a no-skill auto combo, like it used to be.

[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>yes i love jhun, he's one of the best new chracters, learning the stances and techniques takes ages to perfect and he was a really good design too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jhun was probably the best new character in recent years, totally awesome. Hopefully he's back.

[quote]Originally posted by mego fennesz:
<strong>HeavyD! please :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Big ups to Heavy D!, he ruled.

[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>am i the only one who couldn't give a toss about the new face'97 team??
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Probably not, but both versions of Yashiro were badass. Looking forward to playing whatever version(s) of him in 2002.

k'_127
08-22-2002, 12:00 AM
[quote]Originally posted by EX_Andy:
<strong>

K, Kula, Maxima, Foxy = crap</strong><hr></blockquote>

have respect for KOF new hero <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

K9999
08-22-2002, 12:24 AM
3 on 3 teams with no strikers?

Nice, back to old-school KoF. I enjoy the striker system but its good to see them taking a break from it.

K9999 = Owns, needs to stay, more character development :D

J' Kusanagi
08-22-2002, 01:48 AM
Damn, my opinion is that some of you guys opinions on characters are totally shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
K'= bad ass, cooler than Kyo
Maxima= so so
Kula= she's cool!
K9999= bad ass
Vice = wonderful character, I'd tear holes in anybodys ass using her, I love her <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" />
Mature = diffent, love her style, made dog meat out of the best with her also, I mean damn Vice and Mature are practically women versions of Iori, so how the fuck could you not like them!!!!!!!!! A couple of the best female characters ever to grace a fighter.
New Face Team= cool as hell
Lin= Way cooler than Eiji!!! He roxorz!!
Whip= nice, cool moves, great character
Jhun= coolness


But I agree on Bao, Chin, Chang and Choi they suck man!!! But you just have to have them in there to look forward to kicking their asses, I mean saving those stocks for SDMS to punish their asses for being programmed in.

Fygee
08-22-2002, 02:40 AM
[quote]MANY fighters need to go cos i'm sick of em

and many others fighters are so stupid / useless,
they're just taking up precious space

space that should be used to create great tunes and amazing backgrounds<hr></blockquote>

The music doesn't take up so much room that it would require characters to get lopped off.

Anyways, just because you're sick of them doesn't mean a lot of other people are. Personally I'm for keeping as many characters as possible (ones that aren't story intensive anyways) so that those who like them can still play them (I like Hinako, everyone that hates her can go to hell IMO). So basically, if you don't like certain characters, that's fine, but don't prevent me from using them if I happen to like them.

At any rate, is anyone else afraid this is going to be a little bit TOO much like KOF '98? '98 was great and all, but I don't want a carbon copy of it with a few of the '99-'01 characters added in. I also think they should've kept it 4 on 4 for this one as a finisher for the '99-'02 era and waited for '03 to revert back to 3 on 3.

[quote]Wow nice pics! Looks like KOF '98 meets Star Trek: The Motion Picture.<hr></blockquote>

Lol! I was thinking the same exact thing!

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Fygee ]</p>

Overkill Geyser
08-22-2002, 03:30 AM
I don't know when this turned into the "We love/hate Vice & Mature" thread...

Anyway, I'm glad it's back to 3 on 3; never did like the whole "striker" system... even though it was fun in 2000.

I like Vice & Mature, and i'm glad they're back. But remember: This is a DREAMMATCH. Anything goes! Now, if they appear in any non-dreammatch KOF's, I wanna know how. As far as I know, Geese is the only phantom in the SNK world.

Are they gonna include Moe Habana from KOF Neo blood? A while back I heard that they were. I still haven't played Neo Blood (is it coming out in America?), but I liked the idea of Kyo being saved by someone...

Megatron X
08-22-2002, 06:55 AM
I'm glad Vice & Mature are Back. Well I guess the Striker system is gone which I liked, but I hated them damn infinites with that striker shit.

The good thing is that it's going back to it's old school roots, but that can change in the very last. Hopefully it won't and hopefully Eolith makes the game outstanding and unforgettable.

Takumaji
08-22-2002, 07:52 AM
Fygee, where's the point in stuffing lots of chars in the game? I think it would be better to keep the number on a decent level and come up with better animations instead.

Quality, not quantity. For the latter there are some of the Capcom vs. games.

FeelGood
08-22-2002, 08:23 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>

kof is a 3 vs 3 game,PERIOD

mature and vice are kewl

miles better than the newcomers from 99 - 2000

hinako,bao,ramon,lin,seth,maxima and the rest of those losers</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree, but you should add K', Kula, Angel (what a let down), Zero, Ignis, O. Zero, K9999 (what a rich selection of moves), and Foxy (I predict no Foxy hentai).

I'm not saying that it's impossible for them to make a good character design - I like Vanessa.

rarehero
08-22-2002, 08:34 AM
have you guys checked mmcafe again today?
YAMAZAKI!
billy and chris too!
whooooooooooooooo

Wolferaizer
08-22-2002, 08:38 AM
then where's my Krauser & Geese???? <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> :mad: <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

JHendrix
08-22-2002, 08:42 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Takumaji:
<strong>
Quality, not quantity. For the latter there are some of the Capcom vs. games.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Capcom vs. games proove you can have a lot of characters and have good graphics. Don't tell me otherwise. Of course they were on new hardware.

Since KOF2k2 is on the Neo I agree with you that we need less characters in KOF so as to have better animations. But remember MOTW's GFX board was maxed out to get those GFX and they were limited to 12 Chars. So unless you just want 4 teams.........

Peace

JHendrix

VinylBoy
08-22-2002, 08:49 AM
[quote]Originally posted by BUSTA_WOLF:
<strong>yeah but 2 things:

1. Vice And Mature suck, two of the worst KOF characters.

2. I happen to like the strikers, they make the game more interesting. <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Vice & Mature are two of the WORSE? You obviously never played these characters in '96 or in '98... they are VERY GOOD characters, capable of causing MAJOR headaches to any character. If you want characters that are technically bad, try Chizuru, Xia***ei, Ramon, or some other character that really DOES have a hard time winning matches.

And I'm also glad that strikers are gone from KOF as well... all they did was make a game more "scrub friendly" by giving people a simple option to cover up mistakes they may have made, or to do some crazy long, infinite combo. In KOF 2001, I only place a character as a striker so that I can do SDMs, yet I NEVER use one. Most people agree that the system needs to be abandoned, and luckily it seems this is the case.

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: VinylBoy ]</p>

NeoLord
08-22-2002, 08:52 AM
Screw all the speculation! Madman's Cafe has confirmed that Yamazaki, Chris, Billy Kane, and Yushiro will be in KOF2K2! Life is good. <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" /> <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" />

VinylBoy
08-22-2002, 08:55 AM
[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>

The Capcom vs. games proove you can have a lot of characters and have good graphics. Don't tell me otherwise. Of course they were on new hardware.

Since KOF2k2 is on the Neo I agree with you that we need less characters in KOF so as to have better animations. But remember MOTW's GFX board was maxed out to get those GFX and they were limited to 12 Chars. So unless you just want 4 teams.........

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can't help but think that MvC2 "cheated" a little when creating the game, graphically. It's 2D characters fighting on rendered, 3D backgrounds. This is the same thing that kind of plagued the PS1 when you think about it... that machine had a LOT of terrible 2D translations since it didn't have the capabilities to do most completely 2D games. By using 3D backgrounds, you reduce the actual need to do anything 2D except for the characters and their actions, which is a lot easier for the hardware to deal with.

Yeah, it may look pretty... but I still can't help that they "fudged" it a little. That's why when I hear people complain about how the MVS is old and cannot compete, I just sit back and shake my head. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

neojedi
08-22-2002, 09:17 AM
Great to hear that Yamazaki and Billy are back, but it sounds an awful lot like the teams are modeled on KOF '98. Which means that Fatal Fury is a 3-man team, and Blue Mary is probably back with Billy and Yamazaki. Bad news for Eiji fans.

BUSTA_WOLF
08-22-2002, 02:36 PM
[quote]Originally posted by VinylBoy:
<strong>

Vice & Mature are two of the WORSE? You obviously never played these characters in '96 or in '98... they are VERY GOOD characters, capable of causing MAJOR headaches to any character. If you want characters that are technically bad, try Chizuru, Xia***ei, Ramon, or some other character that really DOES have a hard time winning matches.

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: VinylBoy ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm actually quite good with Ramon, once you've learned his moves hes a monster, i did play as vice and mature the once, think it was KOF 96 and i completely whooped my mates ass with them <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> i'm never going to let him live it down.

Takumaji
08-22-2002, 02:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>

The Capcom vs. games proove you can have a lot of characters and have good graphics. Don't tell me otherwise. Of course they were on new hardware. [...] </strong><hr></blockquote>

Lots of chars with nice graphx - okay. But how many of the chaps in CvS or MvC are actually usefull chars, gameplay-wise? Not a lot really, because they have to fit in a huge rooster and just HAVE to be toned down/changed beyond recognition to be "balanced" in some way.

I played (and still play) CvS2 for countless hours, but even in the most intense moments, it's nothing like a 2P battle in KoF98 or a 1P team battle in 2k1.

We all know that the MVS hardware is limited in some way. There's a balance between artwork and chars, and if this balance gets outta control, we get crap backs and the same ole' sprites again.

That's why it would be better to keep the chars at the current # but loose the strikers and deliver cool artwork instead, or cut the # even more and enhance the anims and spirtes.

I know I would gladly give Bao, Chin, Choi, Chang, Maxima, Lin, Ramon and other useless chars for it.

RiotoftheBlood
08-22-2002, 04:27 PM
[quote]Originally posted by jeff bogard:
<strong>
one more thing i went to vegas but only found capcom vs snk2 the only game with snk fighters does anyone know where there are some mvs arcades.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Excalibur has a cabinet with a two-slot, including MS2.

RiotoftheBlood
08-22-2002, 04:28 PM
[quote]Originally posted by 10in2010:
<strong>am i the only one who couldn't give a toss about the new face'97 team??

i just don;t like the designs and the '97 story didn't really develop them much 'hello we will fight you,now we use your energy. HA!!'

Shermie's a cross between Iori and vice and chris is just a litle wuss that paved the way for the likes of Bao.

Just my Opinion</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not very fond of the new face / Orochi team myself. I don't like how any of them play.

Fygee
08-23-2002, 01:52 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Takumaji:
<strong>Fygee, where's the point in stuffing lots of chars in the game? I think it would be better to keep the number on a decent level and come up with better animations instead.

Quality, not quantity. For the latter there are some of the Capcom vs. games.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You have a point, but I'd honestly rather have both. Of course, with the Neo-Geo hardware that's not possible, and this is one of the many reasons I wish KOF would move on to bigger, better hardware (or find a way to surpass/get around the gigabit barrier). I'd like to have my cake and eat it too. Oh well...maybe on the console port...

This is one of the problems that arise from fighting games that include too many characters to begin with. In later chapters where quality over quantity reigns supreme, certain characters that people have grown attached to get the axe, causing bitter players.

Fygee
08-23-2002, 01:56 AM
[quote]Originally posted by RiotoftheBlood:
<strong>

Excalibur has a cabinet with a two-slot, including MS2.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Holy moley have I looked. So far I've only found that MVS you mentioned at the Excalibur, and the 4 4&6-game MVS machines at Mary K's (which have fairly recent games but their condition is flat out diplorable). Las Vegas is extremely Neo-Geo deprived. Not even friggin' Gameworks has any (and I looked long and hard).