How many people are willing to FRONT the money for AES II?

This should be the question.
Pledges mean absolutely nothing but 'GOOD INTENTIONS',that's fine.
I want the system.
We need to know how many people will pay up front,who will be patient enough to wait.who do we make responsible for the money(who will be the insurer,holder of funds)?
How much do we have to pay depending on the # of units???
If !ARCADE! were to make 100 units ,how much would it cost the consumer to make it worth their while??
or how about 500 units???

Money talks...
Who really wants the system??
-BB

[ August 29, 2001: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]

I have a very real interest, but would be unwilling to commit actual dollars until I knew a final total on the unit and a reasonably accurrate delivery date (as close as say, the Strikers Cart).

Count me in, I can fron money neccesary for the system.

Put me down for $500.00 to start

Exactly how much are we talking about fronting? Like RyoGeo said, I'd like to know a little more before I definately make a commitment. It'd be foolish on my part to put up $400-500 without even knowing about when I'd get the system, if ever. That's not pocket change.

I'll go for $500.

I agree with RyoGeo and wagesofsyn, no point in fronting money without a FIRM sales price and a FIRM delivery date. And $600 is too much, even $500 is pushing it although if all of the features included worked well (including jamma adapter) its justified.

I agree with Wagesofsyn, I dont really feel comfortable dishing out 400 or 500 dollers based solely on faith. I dont have that much cash to tie up in something that may never happen. If ARCADE can give us all a guestamit on price and availablity, then I think many more people will opt to put money down in order so secure a system for themselves.

Also I have something thats been bothering me about this whole AES II thing. With all of the problems that people have been experiencing with their ARCADE converters, I feel bit unsure as to the functionality of this system. I'm sure they tested the converter before is was released, but I've read a lot of posts regarding problems related with it, and this makes me a bit unsure about the AES II system. I really want this to work, but I really wanted the converter to work also, but seeing first hand the problems my firend has hed with his makes me not want to get one. I'm sure more people have had positive results with it than negative, but the potenial headache of sending my system out to get fixed in order to use the converter is not something I want to deal with.

I just want to be assured by ARCADE that their new system will work, and if a problem does arise, then I need to know exactly who will be responsible for fixing it.

I hope all this information is made available to us all in the near future.
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I just like playing my carts in a SNK made machine personally.

Originally posted by lemonflav:
<STRONG>Also I have something thats been bothering me about this whole AES II thing. With all of the problems that people have been experiencing with their ARCADE converters, I feel bit unsure as to the functionality of this system. I'm sure they tested the converter before is was released, but I've read a lot of posts regarding problems related with it, and this makes me a bit unsure about the AES II system. I really want this to work, but I really wanted the converter to work also, but seeing first hand the problems my firend has hed with his makes me not want to get one. I'm sure more people have had positive results with it than negative, but the potential headache of sending my system out to get fixed in order to use the converter is not something I want to deal with.
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I've heard of problems, and that's an issue I didn't even really consider (though I should've). What repair costs could be involved if it should break down? If !Arcade! posts some definate dates for release, and some kind of garuntee, it'll help me, at the very least, decide whether or not I want to make this kind of investment.

And what about SNK approval? Or am I dreaming?

Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
<STRONG>I just like playing my carts in a SNK made machine personally.</STRONG>

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I agree totally with LWK

I WILL buy one if it appears, Ray knows this <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I would also prepay.......

Lee (garg7) http://www.neogeotemple.com

edit: added prepay comment

[ August 29, 2001: Message edited by: gargoyle7 ]

I'd like to have more details before committing. I could probably swing about $300 in advance, provided there was a guarantee for repairs and a shipping deadline (say end of 2001).

Also, I would hope that carts would not need to be wrenched in and out of the system; a snug fit is good, but not too tight.

For any more money than that, I think I'd prefer to wait and see what people think of it before I'd order one.

PS...What is the system currently being advertised as including? S-Video? MVS and AES slots? Two controllers?

We need arcade to tell us the exact price, soon :\

I don't know if it would be my worthwhile. I don't own any MVS carts and I only have 5 games. If they made an English version of the system, then maybe I would consider it. Don't know how much I'd pay.

$199. 'nough said...

Given the ammount of information Arcade has released on the AES2 (Almost 0), The ammount of actual pictures (One, which for all we know could not even be what the final unit looks like, if there accually is, or will be a final unit), it would be foolish for anyone to front any kind of money, for a machine they don't know what looks like or what it's features are.

If Arcade wants people to accually send money in, and pre order this thing he needs to release specs, its full list of finalized features, more pictures, pictures or video of the unit in action, an estimated retail price per unit ect. ect.

More information was released for the Matsushita M2 (There was full working prototypes of that machine and actual games running), and that thing was canned!

In what ive seen Arcade is very unreliable, or he might just not care either way. His site has been up for how long? And theres still nothing on it, just a main page. You'd think he would want to get pics and info up, to stir buzz and get excitment going.

Hell even the Strikers cart he finally released has no mention or info on his site for it. It's hard people to front money for something that theres this little info on, and if Arcades scared to go ahead with making it, because he doesn't know how it will sell, well then he shouldn't be in the Biz.

You find out after you release something if it will sell well, not before you release it, videogames and systems flop all the time.

Originally posted by ZeroMJ:
<STRONG>I agree totally with LWK</STRONG>

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I agree with ZeroMJ; Who also agrees with LWK.

My only gripe is the amount of weird stuff that goes down.
Arcade then advertises this in a magazine, with a pad that looks like a knockoff PS pad.
When they entered this scene in the first place was'nt it to offer up some good stuff?
"Arcade solutions"
I mean it sounded promising.
Then the million plus strikers release dates, followed by this system being hailed the king of NEO so to speak.
What of the neo summit?
How many people actually showed?
If there is going to be a system coming out you want to sell, you NEED to hype that thing like a bitch.
Who the hell is going to look forward to something they have little to no info on?
I mean if Ray can get the systems info together instead of saying we will be surprised like little kids at christmas time.
If your going to establish a company who works for the FANS, the least damn thing that can be done is info on the system.
I remember I said "the AES 2 is coming"
It probably will, but who is going to buy it when arcade just frequently pops up wo say encouraging things?
Its good to help the scene with decently priced tech, but 500-1000 is not a solution.
The regular OFFICIAL home system sells for less then that.
This contradicts the selling of a converter in the first place, who's to say that when a load of people buy this, by next month a better version will be available?
Remember the converter.... Then a new version was released. HMMMM....
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I would be willing to buy a system and front the money but I would first like to see cost estimates for runs of 100, 200, 500 etc. If the prices are reasonable and are promised to be relitively close to the ones estimated (when finished) then I would be glad to by a system.

OK, my responses:

1) Money up front-for what? I haven't seen ANYTHING yet. Why would I pay for an untested, undocumented product? Unless someone has information on this system that they are holding out on, I know nothing about it. I hope their web site has a section dedicated to it in September as they mentioned. We all need actual SPECS on it.

2) How much would I pay-honestly, $125-$150, tops. This is dated technology (assuming the platform uses the same chipset, BIOS etc.-again, the specs would help) . Granted, manufaturing it in such limited quantaties will keep the cost high to begin with, unfortunatly, but that's something the manufacturer needs to think about. $300? No way. I'd save that for a new X-BOX, and shop around for a used Neo.

That converter was WAY overpriced to begin with, but again, they needed to recover the cost of development, testing and production. Understandable, and I'm sure the same will be done with the "AES II", but again, is it worth making then? That's not my call...

Originally posted by samuraiX:
<STRONG>....If the prices are reasonable and are promised to be relitively close to the ones estimated (when finished) then I would be glad to by a system.......</STRONG>

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Reasonable price? I doubt Arcade will sell it for $149 - $299.

I don't think lots people will spend $400 for a console (a 10 years old console!) with game price from $30 to $2000.

Maybe those "new" Neo gamers love to see the amazing 2D works done by SNK but game price will scare them away unless someone drives* NSX or has a hard working father*...

(*quoted from a anonymous dorky, 2001)

$0.00. Nothing beats the original.

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hey !arcade! dont come out with anything they will just bitch and bitch and bitch.they dont understand that the more there is the less the price.(bulk)i dont want one.they say thell buy and most wont.just like the neo summit you tried and now they bitch.but it just my opion. they want gold for nothing

Have you had any dealings with !arcade! chuckclown?

(I'm being serious... I'm not going to flame you outside of the warroom. Just for your info.)

In theory it's a great system which could get more people into SNK games however i'm pretty sure that !Arcade! have run into problems : why be so quiet when there's so much to shout about? We need hype, we need pictures, we need price points and we need more information.

At the end of the day it's just 16bit technology and as such the price should reflect this. $150-200 would be an ok price point in my view. $400 would be taking the piss.

I would no way 'front' money for pre orders for a machine that I know barely anything about (bar the principle) nor to a company who can not be even bothered to maintain a webpage.

I'd love AES II to become a reality but !Arcade! have been far from convincing to me.