Can't sleep. My thoughts on the Zelda series-then, now, and the future.

There are (sort of) small spoilers in here for those of you who arent finished with Wind Waker yet.


I finished The Wind Waker after I got home from work tonight, and it got me thinking about all things Zelda-past, present, and future. The way WW ended it made me wonder about the future of Zelda. And that got me thinking about the old ones.

The NES. The first Zelda game was ground-breaking. Almost every aspect was new and exciting about it. Zelda 2 comes out and it totally different from 1 except for the storyline and the setting.

Then the SNES comes out and we get A Link to the Past. The graphics were a huge leap over the first 2. It was also more like 1 than 2 not only in the way it played with the top-down perspective but with being able to find and use different weapons, and just everything in general.

Enter the N64. The Ocarina of Time. It has a cool new 3D aspect to it, and a re-invented storyline and new mechanics with the music system, and the way weapons and items work in 3D. Then we get Majora's Mask. A Zelda game that is bizzare when related to the other games in the series. Very different from OOT but still with similarities.

Gamecube. The Wind Waker. The graphice are a huge leap over the 2 on the N64 in the same way Link to the Past was over the first 2. Also its more like OOT than Majora's Mask.

It seems to me like there is a trilogy pattern developing. 2 on one system with the second being different, then 1 on the next system that blows the last 2 away that is more like the first.
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Then the trilogy starts over with the next new system. New storyline/graphics/gameplay mecahnics. Another reason that leads me to think this is the way WW ended. With Hyrule pretty much gone and the Master Sword (as far as I can tell) in a permanent resting place doing its job, they are going to have to re-invent the storyline again.

So my prediction is that we will not see another Zelda on Gamecube, but there will be 2 on the next system Nintendo creates.

I realize there are a couple flaws in my theory mostly having to do with A Link to the Past since its story really wasnt a continuation of 1 and 2 besides the fact that Ganon and Zelda were in it. Even with that problem, I still think it works out as the 3rd in the trilogy as the awesome version of the 1st in the Trilogy. Bear with me here, its late

With all that said, I am very pleased with WW. LttP will always be my favorite Zelda though.

I hope you enjoyed(for those who stuck through the whole thing) my late-night ramblings on one of my favorite game series of all time. -Nate

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i find myself wondering why i can't seem to find a successor to LTTP.

what was it about that game that made it so special? i think it was a combination of my love for 2d, the atmosphere created by the music, and dark world concept.

i hope one day they make a game greater than LTTP.
but there's also a part of me that wishes otherwise.

ps, the big dipper can be seen during night-time sailing in The Wind Waker...so we know the story takes place in OUR universe

I thought the constellation thing was cool in WW. I dont know many of them, but I did notice The Big Dipper and Orion in the game. Nice touch.

I also like how in the Fan Club place the guy says something like "Since we dont have any kind of gimmick, we arent getting many new members these days . . ." Something tells me he isnt talking about his fan club wink

In my book Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and Wind Waker are all equal in terms of their greatness.

Link to the Past was just an awesome game and so much fun it really blew the other Zeldas away.

Ocarina was everything and more i could have hoped for Zelda's transition to 3D.

And Wind Waker, while i haven't beat it yet i must say that from what i have seen it has every essential element that makes a Zelda game a Zelda game. I'm really enjoying playing through it. Plus i think it has a stronger (perhaps better developed?) story then the rest.

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Kid Aphex:
ps, the big dipper can be seen during night-time sailing in The Wind Waker...so we know the story takes place in OUR universe

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Maybe it's just a total coincidence.

What about the cdi games?

They were pretty groun... ah who am I kidding.

Might want to put a WARNING SPOILERS before you say some of that stuff about WW.

Peace

JHendrix

The first sentence says there are small spoilers if you havent completed WW. Look again.

all I have to say is that I am totally addicted to WW. I mean, moreso than I was to OOT.

I have loved all Zelda's except Zelda 2 on the NES... I couldn't stand that one.... that is the only one I couldn't stand. (I never really touched the CD-I 3 Zelda's yet).

Anyway... I thought that Zelda 2 on the NES was the end.. kid you not.

But look at Windwaker! The FRIGGIN gameplay on this is a dream. Its like OOT and MM but tweaked and perfected.

The sailing aspect is just AWESOME!

On the Dragon Roost island.... as you get into the upper parts of the island where the ash is flying... that is AWESOME! some great effects there, especially with the heat waves.

I am more impressed with WW than I thought I would be.

I wish they would never have released the SW 2001 pics of the "new cel shaded Zelda." That really ruined the outlook of the game (after they posted the more "real" pics in SW 2000 that people keep complaining about). Those images and movies ruined it for me. It looked CORNY as could be.
But this game is NOTHIGN like those 1st movies and pics. It is great. Great Story. Great Gameplay. Perfect SOUND, and a superb improvement in graphics.

The only gripe I have on the graphics is the water. Thats it!

I'd give this game a 10 rating any day. I rarely get this addicted to a game. But I have stopped buying games because of this game and I cannot put it down at all.

†B†V†

NebraskaDragon:
The first sentence says there are small spoilers if you havent completed WW. Look again.

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I've since bannged my head against the table untill I couldn't see out my right eye.

Sorry

Peace

JHendrix

JHendrix:

NebraskaDragon:
The first sentence says there are small spoilers if you havent completed WW. Look again.

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I've since bannged my head against the table untill I couldn't see out my right eye.

Sorry

Peace

JHendrix

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Glad to hear it! J/K I mis-read junk all the time.

Lagduf:
In my book Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and Wind Waker are all equal in terms of their greatness.

Link to the Past was just an awesome game and so much fun it really blew the other Zeldas away.

Ocarina was everything and more i could have hoped for Zelda's transition to 3D.

And Wind Waker, while i haven't beat it yet i must say that from what i have seen it has every essential element that makes a Zelda game a Zelda game. I'm really enjoying playing through it. Plus i think it has a stronger (perhaps better developed?) story then the rest.

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BTW.. I am probably one of the ONLY ones that will say this, but I still think MM is every bit as good as OOT. It was just too different for people to cling onto.

That had one of the best story lines EVER. The gameplay, and sound was the same as OOT. But the graphics were a lot more crisp because they utilized the 4mb expansion.

†B†V†

Bluevoodu:

I have loved all Zelda's except Zelda 2 on the NES... I couldn't stand that one.... that is the only one I couldn't stand.

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I hated Zelda 2 when it first came out. It was so stinkin hard and different. But I decided to give it a go again several years later since when I had first tried it I hadnt been playing games very long, and had little patience for games that frustrated me. When I tried it again I was better at games in general, and had aquired the patience to get the hang of it. As a result, Zelda 2 is one of my favorite NES games.

NebraskaDragon:

Bluevoodu:

I have loved all Zelda's except Zelda 2 on the NES... I couldn't stand that one.... that is the only one I couldn't stand.

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I hated Zelda 2 when it first came out. It was so stinkin hard and different. But I decided to give it a go again several years later since when I had first tried it I hadnt been playing games very long, and had little patience for games that frustrated me. When I tried it again I was better at games in general, and had aquired the patience to get the hang of it. As a result, Zelda 2 is one of my favorite NES games.

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yeah.. maybe I should give it a try again.

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tho i was thankful nevertheless that nintendo gave us the bonus disks with OoT and Ura, i think they could have still fit Majoras Mask in there. that would have been ultimate icing on the cake. tahnk you shigeru miyamoto for producing another stellar nintendo / zelda game. wind waker is addicting indeed, i liked the cel-shaded presentation, LUV the story and the of course, the gameplay. Majora Mask would have been great along with whats already on the bonus disks... eek_2

evasyar:
tho i was thankful nevertheless that nintendo gave us the bonus disks with OoT and Ura, i think they could have still fit Majoras Mask in there. that would have been ultimate icing on the cake. tahnk you shigeru miyamoto for producing another stellar nintendo / zelda game. wind waker is addicting indeed, i liked the cel-shaded presentation, LUV the story and the of course, the gameplay. Majora Mask would have been great along with whats already on the bonus disks... eek_2

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remember, there is always another Zelda coming up

Maybe they are saving it for that one!
†B†V†

Bluevoodu:

Lagduf:
In my book Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and Wind Waker are all equal in terms of their greatness.

Link to the Past was just an awesome game and so much fun it really blew the other Zeldas away.

Ocarina was everything and more i could have hoped for Zelda's transition to 3D.

And Wind Waker, while i haven't beat it yet i must say that from what i have seen it has every essential element that makes a Zelda game a Zelda game. I'm really enjoying playing through it. Plus i think it has a stronger (perhaps better developed?) story then the rest.

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BTW.. I am probably one of the ONLY ones that will say this, but I still think MM is every bit as good as OOT. It was just too different for people to cling onto.

That had one of the best story lines EVER. The gameplay, and sound was the same as OOT. But the graphics were a lot more crisp because they utilized the 4mb expansion.

†B†V†

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I agree Totally with you on this one. Totally different than all the rest. Got the Golden Cartridge for both OoT and MM. Just thinking about think i might just dust them off and have another go. Still can't find the sinking lure in Oot and how will i know when i have it

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Sancho:

Bluevoodu:

Lagduf:
In my book Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and Wind Waker are all equal in terms of their greatness.

Link to the Past was just an awesome game and so much fun it really blew the other Zeldas away.

Ocarina was everything and more i could have hoped for Zelda's transition to 3D.

And Wind Waker, while i haven't beat it yet i must say that from what i have seen it has every essential element that makes a Zelda game a Zelda game. I'm really enjoying playing through it. Plus i think it has a stronger (perhaps better developed?) story then the rest.

Click to expand...

BTW.. I am probably one of the ONLY ones that will say this, but I still think MM is every bit as good as OOT. It was just too different for people to cling onto.

That had one of the best story lines EVER. The gameplay, and sound was the same as OOT. But the graphics were a lot more crisp because they utilized the 4mb expansion.

†B†V†

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I agree Totally with you on this one. Totally different than all the rest. Got the Golden Cartridge for both OoT and MM. Just thinking about think i might just dust them off and have another go. Still can't find the sinking lure in Oot and how will i know when i have it

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I could tell you where the lure is.... but.... that would spoil it lol

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Bluevoodu

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I could tell you where the lure is.... but.... that would spoil it lol

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I know where it is but ho would i know that i have it
will it make the sound and then will he do the hands in the air thing?
Let me know i have been rying for years i have everything. there is to get in Oot (except 100 Skull). Help me if you can

Sancho:

Bluevoodu

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I could tell you where the lure is.... but.... that would spoil it lol

†B†V†
I know where it is but ho would i know that i have it
will it make the sound and then will he do the hands in the air thing?
Let me know i have been rying for years i have everything. there is to get in Oot (except 100 Skull). Help me if you can

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I think so it does let you know

†B†V†

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Bluevoodu:

Sancho:

Bluevoodu

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I could tell you where the lure is.... but.... that would spoil it lol

†B†V†
I know where it is but ho would i know that i have it
will it make the sound and then will he do the hands in the air thing?
Let me know i have been rying for years i have everything. there is to get in Oot (except 100 Skull). Help me if you can

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I think so it does let you know

†B†V†

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So come on where is it, i am told it is in the center of the pond near the log when i dive i dont hear confirmaion that i am doing it right or have received any rewards been doing this. i have been at it for yearsnow and no luck. Any advice.

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circle the OUTSIDE perimeter of the lake.... IE ALL ALONG THE STONE WALL.

BTW.. that is the only way to catch the loach. I have caught the biggest fish.. but not the loach yet, and I did not read on to see if it gives you anything special

†B†V†

Whenever the loach is in the pond I can never find the lure, although when the lure IS in the pond I can never find the loach!! Bastard!

Yes the CD-i Zelda Games suck. Well, I havnt played Zelda's Adventure yet. But what about the Gameboy games.
3 games if not 4.
The ones made by Capcom both sucked and Zelda DX was sweet. Now I hear Capcom is working on another GBA Zelda Game.

David Fallows:
Whenever the loach is in the pond I can never find the lure, although when the lure IS in the pond I can never find the loach!! Bastard!

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um.... I thought the loach is ALWAYS there? I just cannot get it to bite!

even with the sinking lure.

I cannot tell you how many times I wanted to Z-target that fish and spear it with the hook shot!

†B†V†

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