According to insider.ign.com PS2 has...

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better DVD playback than the X-Box. I was kind of surprised, since there were so many people here bashing the PS2 DVD and praising the X-Box's. Supposedly the image quality is also better, since the X-Box appears "washed out" because of the default brightness setting.

Add to that the fact that Sony is supposedly working on Progressive scan for it's next set of Drivers, and I would have to agree.

If you have a "membership" with insider.ign.com, you can find the article <a href="http://insider.ign.com/articles/362/362242p1.html" target="_blank">here.</a> Otherwise it's $20 for the membership.
 
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I've got a high end DVD player, Xbox, and PS2 to watch DVDs on.
Goes like this.
Best everything: High end DVD player. Plus it looks damned cool.
Xbox lows are the shitty remote, and the sound seems a little off. It's hard to really pin down if I'm right about that.
PS2 lows? Again, shitty remote (I have the official Sony one), slow loading of everything, picture isn't as good as any DVD player I've seen. Sound is great though.
 
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think about it, they probably got the information directly from sony, and whether they did or didn't, it's all a bunch of lies.

the ps2 dvd player sucks, even friends of mine who bash everything that isn't ps2 because "it's just not good otherwise" will say the dvd player sucks.

ya could have just posted the article here by the way, its not like as if any of us is actually going to get a member ship to ign <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

and i have no idea on what you "agree" about with sony working on progressive scan drivers either. you're supposed to either believe or not believe the rumors.
 
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The article they wrote was a side by side comparison, by them, of the 2 players in action. Nothing was provided by Sony or Microsoft.

I myself have a real DVD player (middle of the road, not the best, not the worst) and watch my movies there.

The only reason I posted this was so other's could see it and decide for themselves.

IF Sony is working on Progressive Scan, then, by default (for those who have the capability anyway), the picture quality will be better. Everything I've ever seen in Prog. Scan ALWAYS looks better than the normal crap. Of course finding Progrssive Scan DVDs to go with your player/TV isn't exactly easy, so this supposed "leap" for Sony will mean nothing (except another marketing gimmick to try and trump the X-Box with).

At the end of the day, it all comes down to opinions and personal preference. Personally, I prefer to not watch anything on my PS2 or brother's X-Box, 'cause compared to the real thing, they ain't shit. Lack of Prog. Scan is a downer for both, but since there aren't a ton of Prog. Scan DVDs, does it really matter?
 
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That is bullshit plain and simple.

My brother has a PS2, and that has the most horride DVD playback ever, grains the picture like hell. Disc's take forever to load up, and it doesn't play scratched discs, it's very sensitive.

XBOX does NOT grain the picture at all, it looks just as good as one of my stand alone players. The XBOX also has more DVD features than PS2, like looping, better zoom etc. Also for kicks I tried a rental DVD and game that were scratched to hell, and they both ran without a hitch.

I also don't get people who bitch about not having progressive scan, do you even own a 16x9 TV that supports it? NO! No one does, I'd say 1 in 50 people own a true progressive scan TV, your TV is NOT progressive if it has component inputs. Component is just a signal, like S-Video or RGB.

HD-DVD's don't even exist yet! Because the HDDVD players won't come out till like 2005. There may be a "few" DVD's that are progressive compatible, but that just means they'll display on a progressive set, they aren't gonna take full advantage of it, because it's still a normal DVD print, on a normal DVD.

The only thing that matters is if a movie is anamorphic, because that means it will run fullscreen on a 16x9 TV, that way when we all get one some day (because I sure as hell don't wanna pay 3 grand for one), you won't have to buy all your movies over.

Regardless of what gameconsole is better at playing DVD's, no serious DVD movie watcher would ever use a console to watch stuff on, I never use my XBOX, I use my regular DVD player. However since my DVD player isn't region free, if an XBOX mod comes out that enables region free play, I'd definetly use my XBOX, so I wouldnt have to watch all my JPN and UK DVD's on my PC.

Those are definetly the words of a PS2 fanboy...

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The PS2 actually doesn't have ANY zoom feature.

I am not a PS2 fanboy, as yes, I do own a PS2, my brother owns an X-Box and I have been known to *oh no* play games on the X-Box. I only find the X-box a little disappointing 'cause there aren't a whole lot of games out on it that I want to play. Of course, give the X-Box time and it will have more and better games. Prisoner of War, Mace Griffin and Panzer Dragoon are games on the X-Box I look forwared to (not too sure about P.O.W. though...). The PS2 has Dynasty Warriors Tactics and Dynasty Warriors 4 coming to it... Not much else on my list for the PS2.

X-Box has Dynasty Warriors 3 coming for it, and more than likely it will look a lot better than the PS2 jaggy fogged up version.

In the end, it's all about the games, not the system they are on.
 
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BTW I seriously doubt a simple driver update can make the PS2 Progressive Scan, that sounds like BS. It either has the hardware or it doesn't.

PS2 Games aren't progressive scan, XBOX games are, thats really all that matters on a GAME console, this sn't a MOVIE console.

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BTW I seriously doubt a simple driver update can make the PS2 Progressive Scan, that sounds like BS. It either has the hardware or it doesn't. <hr></blockquote>

Actually, from what I understand, Tekken 4 supposedly supports Prog. Scan, so the hardware is there on the PS2.

Progressive scan DVD playback should be easy to supply on X-Box as well, not sure why they didn't do it to begin with. I'm not sure how you'd update your DVD drivers on the X-Box now though.

PS2 Games aren't progressive scan, XBOX games are, thats really all that matters on a GAME console, this isn't a MOVIE console. <hr></blockquote>

Amen. That's why, along with the PS2/X-Box in the house, I own the GameCube. Unfortunately, as I've posted elsewhere, it is suffering from N64-itis (few games, not enough of them GOOD).

You will have to admit that even though you and I see it's "about the games", the uneducated masses don't see it that way and the DVD playback is a key factor in their decision to purchase one of the newer systems. At $200 you get games and DVD movies. Sounds like a bargain to me, no matter which system they choose.

Not all X-Box games are Progressive Scan though (which makes no sense to me, since it's supposed to be easy to support).


I will admit that it would be nice to be able to unplug my DVD player from the TV and use the Component connections for one of my systems, but until they can supply DVD playback on par with the quality of a decent standalone system (and give me a GOOD remote, DAMMIT!), that will never happen.

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i was at my friends house one time and his dad was watching a movie on their DVD player. so we decides to watch meet the parents on his ps2. upon putting it in it took three minutes to load it three. then when it started the screen would go dark then light at random times. and you're tellin me the ps2 has good DVD play back please. it sucks at it hands down. the people at IGN have shit for brains anyways.
 
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Sounds like your buddy had macrovision interfering (did he have his PS2 plugged into the VCR then TV?) with his playback.

And I wholly agree about the DVD load time, which is another reason I no longer try it. Standalone all the way.
 
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Ps2 games does not support progressive scan?
No way!!
Tekken 4 allows progressive scan.BTW,its the 1st ps2 game to do so.
 
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Originally posted by Devil_Gans:
<strong>Ps2 games does not support progressive scan?
No way!!
Tekken 4 allows progressive scan.BTW,its the 1st ps2 game to do so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok, so ONE game supports it. <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
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Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<strong>BTW I seriously doubt a simple driver update can make the PS2 Progressive Scan, that sounds like BS. It either has the hardware or it doesn't.

PS2 Games aren't progressive scan, XBOX games are, thats really all that matters on a GAME console, this sn't a MOVIE console.

[ June 15, 2002: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually yes they can. Now personally I don't care which console does better DVD output. right now. I use the PS2 for DVD's cause its in my room and the XBox is in the family room.

But, I'm going to get the new DVD drivers from Sony with the remote, because it does fix a lot of the problems the PS2 has w/ DVD's. The XBox could have a similar update. Because unlike other DVD players, these things have processors in them I know that they use software decoding (I'm almost positive that MS doesn't use hardware DVD decoding). So if Sony uses the new and improved microcode for the PS2 (basically re-worked assembly code to make the system more efficient) and free up some processor time during DVD playback, they can program the system to do more things to the DVD, such as enable progressive scan output, as well as fix a lot of the sound problems it had.

I'm not saying the PS2 DVD playback is better than the XBox's, just that they can update it. The only time I'll care about who has the better DVD playback is when I get my own house, and I have to decide which one to use for DVD's.

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LMFAO!!!
The PS2 is the only "DVD player" I've ever used and I was completely honest when I said "What's the big deal with DVD players, they look the same as VHS", only to be laughed at by other members and told to get real.

The PS2 DVD player is a disgrace, so unbelievably sucky that even the word suck is ashamed to be associated with it.

If you're lucky enough to get the damn DVD to work the picture quality is awful, as is the search functions and switching between sections of the DVD. I only own Sony components, such as VCR, TV, reciever, and I was going to go with a Sony DVD player (obviously) if only because it matched my other components. Well, lets just say even their stand alone DVD players suck hard. Their drives literally crap out after six months of light use and Sony WILL NOT issue a recall because they say the cost to do so does not justify it. So that's it, all these little Sony bitches with worthless DVD players months after their purchase because Sony wants a $175 service fee to "fix" this problem (which will only surface again a couple more months down the road because of the piss-poor design of their players).

Imagine that, and Sony fanboys call Microsoft a crook.
 
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Huh?

Strang, I managed to post without sending the topic to the top.

Fear my God-like powers...
 
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I'm sure Microsoft could update the XBOX's drivers easily for progressive movie support if they wanted to, with either an update disc with a magazine, or a 2.0 remote, because I'm pretty sure that file the remote bobble copies to the hard drive are the drivers...

That is if it's possible with just drivers.
 
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X-Box DVD player looks horrible. I saw the new AKIRA on it and compared it to my copy (Limited Edition tin :cool: ) on a REAL DVD player (Fisher). The dedicated DVD player was eons better. I've never seen the PS2 player in action, but knowing Sony, I will guarantee that it sucks, sight unseen. All Sony products blow. Period.

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Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<strong>I'm sure Microsoft could update the XBOX's drivers easily for progressive movie support if they wanted to, with either an update disc with a magazine, or a 2.0 remote, because I'm pretty sure that file the remote bobble copies to the hard drive are the drivers...

That is if it's possible with just drivers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh yeah man, I'm sure with some good tweaks they could get a SHITLOAD of performance and features out of the XBox that would put it on the level of a $500 DVD player. It would take a lot of programming in assembly for the GPU and CPU, but it could be done. I mean the XBox is so damn powerful that with some work and tweaking you could get progressive scan, and whatever else out of it. MS is probably waiting for a bit before they release updated drivers so they can get a lot more features in there to justify they're use. Plus they don't want it to look like they're patching the thing like crazy. Which is almost what sony is doing.

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SOCOM uses progressive scan also. From what I understand they can simply program it in the software.

I won't get into the DVD capabilities because I fail to see any difference in DVD quality on my PS2, my stepdads Xbox or the real DVD player. Only gripe I have is that I can't hear the DVD's on the PS2. That is all.
 
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Never quite understood why in the hell I would buy a gaming system for the DVD player. Throw in an extra controller instead.... sheesh

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