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What do you all think about this? A lot of information has been hitting the CIA on chemical and radiological attacks for the US. Then Bin laden has another "tape presentation" out.


I wonder how much longer until we get attacked again.....

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All the more reason to get rid of Saddam, et al before 9-11 happens all over again... frown

the thought of bio weapons is pretty freaky..and after Powells speech about how much of them Iraq has, it's just plain scary. imagine if saddam gave some to some terrorists, and if they went into new york harbor on a boat and blew up the whole city? or got a crop duster, filled it w/ anthrax and spread it all over? they could do some really really bad stuff..

but i'm not worrying about it, i think we have it all under control

Have they proven a defnite link between Bin Laden and his crew and Iraq?

It's like they are trying as hard as they can to link the two.

Why do the americans want war so much?

All the more reason to get rid of Saddam, et al before 9-11 happens all over again...

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The current way we are going about this war on "terror" (I still believe it's all about bush's oil addiction read gas war by ted rall) is only creating more enemies for us.

A lot of information has been hitting the CIA on chemical and radiological attacks for the US. Then Bin laden has another "tape presentation" out.

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Conviently in time for this idiotic war bush is pushing.

Bush's oil addiction is going to get us all killed.

If bush wanted so much oil... he could tap what we have. Its been proven that in the US we have more oil that all of middleeast... and that is in texas and a few other states (not counting Alaska).

I am worried about the chemical attacks. I don't think we have it all under control.

Did you see how bin laden escaped? He just gave his cell phone to one of his aids.. and they parted in different directions. the Us was tracking bin Laden's cell phone.

Also, it has been fairly well known that Saddam and bin Laden have coincided a bit.

There are a lot of people saying that if we start a war with Iraq... its going to lead to several different disasters with negative Us sentiment... chemical and nuclear wars in the middle east..

I mean..... how can we stand back and let these crazy dictators run loose.... Either way.. something bad will happen. maybe even worse if we just sat back.

I tell you what.... with all these countries mad at us..... et all... We should just pull back our aid... and say.. I guess we were pretty bad... you don't need our aid anymore..


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I have one solution. Stop dropping bombs, start dropping bikinis. Turn the region into an MTV beach party meets Girls Gone Wild. This is the most sound military plan ever conceived.

Then, convert to biodiesel and corner the market on it.

John:
I have one solution. Stop dropping bombs, start dropping bikinis. Turn the region into an MTV beach party meets Girls Gone Wild. This is the most sound military plan ever conceived.

Then, convert to biodiesel and corner the market on it.

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that doesn't work... women are not seen very highly there.. and if women started doing that... you would have a total moral war against the US... plus, they would get flogged with billy clubs lol

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What kills me is there are people outside of the middle east that would wish this upon america.

Anyway I totally agree with bluevoodu, we need to stop giving aid and see what happens. I bet those people's opinions would change real quick.

SPINMASTER X:
What kills me is there are people outside of the middle east that would wish this upon america.

Anyway I totally agree with bluevoodu, we need to stop giving aid and see what happens. I bet those people's opinions would change real quick.

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hell yeah they would... most economies would die.

North Korea wouldn't have a chance... we give out billions to these countries to try to help their people and keep them afloat.

I know this sounds cruel but Let them die off in starvation.... don't give them (I STRESS GIVE BECAUSE WE DO) the newest vaccines... etc..


I would love to see the resentment we get then.
I hate to say it, we have our fair share of crap we do, but we deserve a little more respect and support.

but if we denied support.. that would be the Christian thing to do which is what our country is founded on. Turn the cheek.. and I agree with that too.. so its hard saying what to do.

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Just my opinion but I think Bush is trying to finish off what his Dad started, and should have finished when he had the chance. I've seen no evidence of a solid link between Saddam and Bin Ladin, I believe they suggested such a link, then threw out terrorist warnings (which don't require evidence) to help sway public opinion towards warfare with Iraq.

Bluevoodoo, you seem to be under the impression that most countries rely on US aid, this is not the case. The idea that the US would be giving aid to the oil rich countries in question doesn't make much sense. The real reasons for this war are still unclear, the only thing we know for sure is it has nothing to do with the reasons the US government is feeding us.

There are a lot of countries that accept aid from the US.

Check out the US expenditures. They are available to anyone and everyone... they have to be made public. Look at how much aid is given.

No, the war is not because of this... nor do I believe from the oil. I kind-of believe Bush took 9-11 personal. Also, our country wants him to do something about this... and Saddam seems to be the next stop.

but we seriously give a crap load of aid to the korea's...etc.
European countries do not see the aid that much, except we helped rebuild the economy (yes, after destroying it..... but yes, we did help the people get their footing again).

no, we are not the "world power" I am not trying to sound almighty... forgive me if it comes across that way, I just think its not cool that we always get the bad rap.

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I live in Orlando (I'm sure you noticed already in my location) and I came home from work tonight with a note on my door from my apartment complex people saying to be on the lookout for possible terrorist attacks on apartments, hotels and theme parks in Orlando. It's wacky here since a lot of people think of USA and think Mickey Mouse (don't laugh it's true) and I live in the capitale of that potential mess. Spooky stuff.

EDIT: Just remembered Lockheed Martin (think they make warplanes here) is in Orlando and NASA is only 30-40 min away. Damn spooky if you think about potential of terror attacks.

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Well if the thereat's really getting to you, just go and buy a decontamination suit like I did!

Its another excuse to put something zany in your closet next to your Karate Gi, Batman Costume, Zoot Suit, and Samurai outfit!

The Auction Sniper:
Well if the thereat's really getting to you, just go and buy a decontamination suit like I did!

Its another excuse to put something zany in your closet next to your Karate Gi, Batman Costume, Zoot Suit, and Samurai outfit!

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I tried to buy a flack jacket one summer in Munich but the lady insisted taking that through a Euro airport would NOT be a good idea. I took her advice, but it would have been fun to know I could have had a coat that would deflect grenades.

Just my opinion but I think Bush is trying to finish off what his Dad started, and should have finished when he had the chance. I've seen no evidence of a solid link between Saddam and Bin Ladin, I believe they suggested such a link, then threw out terrorist warnings (which don't require evidence) to help sway public opinion towards warfare with Iraq.

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I also share your opinion. I've heard our government say there is a link betweein Bin Laden and Saddam however i heard somebody say Bin Laden would never support somebody like Saddam because of Saddam's views. Its all just so crazy and confusing.

I would love to see the resentment we get then.
I hate to say it, we have our fair share of crap we do, but we deserve a little more respect and support.

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Amen. But I feel we don't necessarily need support.

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gunrock46:
I live in Orlando (I'm sure you noticed already in my location) and I came home from work tonight with a note on my door from my apartment complex people saying to be on the lookout for possible terrorist attacks on apartments, hotels and theme parks in Orlando. It's wacky here since a lot of people think of USA and think Mickey Mouse (don't laugh it's true) and I live in the capitale of that potential mess. Spooky stuff.

EDIT: Just remembered Lockheed Martin (think they make warplanes here) is in Orlando and NASA is only 30-40 min away. Damn spooky if you think about potential of terror attacks.

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I'm 20 minutes North East of DC and within walking distance of where some of the 911 terorists were staying. I'm feelin the same thing buddy.

Apparently, Bin Laden seems to have called Saddam an "infidel." Why do I get the feeling that this is going to turn into some sort of "UN and Saddam forced to unite to eliminate a mutual threat" scenario? (Note: "Because you've watched one too many spy movies" is not an acceptable response) (Note: This is a rhetorical question)(Note: This is the last note)

Here are a few bits and pieces I read this morning:

"half a million children were reputed to have died due to sanctions imposed
against Iraq by 1996"

"Official UNICEF estimates state that between 5,000 and 6,000 children die
every month as a direct result of these sanctions(in Iraq)"

"The war is to be waged exactly because Iraq is defenceless and to act as an
example of the USA's untrammelled power to the other countries in the
region, in particular Iran".

Scott Ritter (UN weapons inspector) has said "everything we set out to
destroy in 1991, the physical infrastructure, had been eliminated. So if I
had to quantify Iraq's threat in terms of weapons of mass destruction, the
real threat is zero, none"

"Saddam Hussein is despised by Osama Bin Ladin for operating a secular
regime in the region"

Dennis Halliday (former Humanitarian Co-Ordinator in Iraq and a US citizen)
- "We are in the process of destroying an entire nation. It is as simple and
as terrifying as that. It is illegal and immoral"

I'm no tree-hugging hippy activist, quite the opposite, I'm a selfish
happily bloated westerner but I do know that almost everything any
Government tells you is a big fat lie. Look how easy it is to stir up
paranoia in an entire nation with absolutely no evidence. I'm rapidly
becoming convinced that the US government is playing us all like a bunch of
suckers. When I see things like <a href="http://www.vampirebat.com/obeythefist/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv" target="_blank">this video</a> it becomes obvious that no nation
could possibly be a threat to the US. I also know first hand that terrorism
can't be stopped by force, only through negotiation.

Bluevoodu:
There are a lot of countries that accept aid from the US.

Check out the US expenditures. They are available to anyone and everyone... they have to be made public. Look at how much aid is given.

No, the war is not because of this... nor do I believe from the oil. I kind-of believe Bush took 9-11 personal. Also, our country wants him to do something about this... and Saddam seems to be the next stop.

but we seriously give a crap load of aid to the korea's...etc.
European countries do not see the aid that much, except we helped rebuild the economy (yes, after destroying it..... but yes, we did help the people get their footing again).

no, we are not the "world power" I am not trying to sound almighty... forgive me if it comes across that way, I just think its not cool that we always get the bad rap.

†B†V†

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An important fact that mostly is overlooked is the kind of gouvernment countries like Korea or the Iraq had in the past; most of them never were democratic countries, and unlike the Europeans after WW2, most ppl of these countries see the Americans as evil intruders that wander on sacred land. That's not necessarily a sentiment these ppl have against the US alone, most of them simply don't want foreigners in their country, specially not if they have not the same beliefs. That the US will bring them democracy and a free market doesn't count for the hardliners, they rate the US as an imperialistic nation that wants to expand their area of influence, like the Romans did in their time.

On a lighter note, there's a Monty Python quote of "Life of Brian" that perfectly fits to this discussion. Remember the famous "What have the Romans ever done for us?" scene? Here it is:

" Reg, leader of the terroristic People's Front of Judea (not the Judean People's Front, of course) and his gang are talking about the imperialistic Romans:

REG: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.

LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG: Yeah.

LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

XERXES: The aqueduct?

REG: What?

XERXES: The aqueduct.

REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.

LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?

REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.

MATTHIAS: And the roads.

REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--

COMMANDO: Irrigation.

XERXES: Medicine.

COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh...

COMMANDO #2: Education.

COMMANDOS: Ohh...

REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

COMMANDO #1: And the wine.

COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah...

FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.

COMMANDO: Public baths.

LORETTA: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.

FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

XERXES: Brought peace.

REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!"

The truth of the matter is if someone wants to carry out another attack there really isnt to much of a chance of stopping it. Law enforcment cant be everywhere at one time and even if we are in the right place at the time something goes down there will be absoutly no warning of it coming.Juast about every country in the world have been bombed or terrorized by people at some point and in some places its almost a daily occurence { like Greece } so I wont be a bit suprised when and if it happens here on a regular basis.

Its funny that the generall public seems to think it could never happen here and then it did and we were all shocked, hell we have been seeing this type of thing all over the world for decades yet people seem to think we are immune to this kind of thing when in reality this is very common else where. I think we are catching up to the rest of the world in this respect.

We have just been lucky geographically that we dont have any neighboring countries that dont like us. I guess what I am trying to say is dont be suprised when more of this kind of thing happens , there really is no way to prevent this completely. Sure we have and will stop some but for every person we stop there will be more waiting or already in action , unfortunite yes but sometimes reality sucks.

ThePunisher:
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First of all, us "contractor buddies" have NOT been given billions of dollars, but we're still trying our best to help the government avoid another 9-11.

Second of all, one of my father's best friends died on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, and we have people in the Pentagon that would have been DEAD if it weren't for a stroke of luck.

I'm proud to be an American, and I'm proud to be directly involved to some degree in helping our Defense department protect this country (I work virtually across the street from the Pentagon so I saw the destruction there firsthand).

I just wanna know has anybody dled and seen that "Taliban Bodies" video? It shows various pictures of the US Armed Force's artillery accompanied with changing pictures of various terrorists with the song "let the bodies hit the floor" by Drowning Pool as the background music.

NeoGoaT:
Here are a few bits and pieces I read this morning:

"half a million children were reputed to have died due to sanctions imposed
against Iraq by 1996"

"Official UNICEF estimates state that between 5,000 and 6,000 children die
every month as a direct result of these sanctions(in Iraq)"

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And the total that died or were left with out parents to take care of them due to a meglomaniac dictator before the sanctions was? They don't list those numbers do they.

NeoGoaT:

"The war is to be waged exactly because Iraq is defenceless and to act as an
example of the USA's untrammelled power to the other countries in the
region, in particular Iran".

Scott Ritter (UN weapons inspector) has said "everything we set out to
destroy in 1991, the physical infrastructure, had been eliminated. So if I
had to quantify Iraq's threat in terms of weapons of mass destruction, the
real threat is zero, none"

"Saddam Hussein is despised by Osama Bin Ladin for operating a secular
regime in the region"

Dennis Halliday (former Humanitarian Co-Ordinator in Iraq and a US citizen)
- "We are in the process of destroying an entire nation. It is as simple and
as terrifying as that. It is illegal and immoral"

I'm no tree-hugging hippy activist, quite the opposite, I'm a selfish
happily bloated westerner but I do know that almost everything any
Government tells you is a big fat lie. Look how easy it is to stir up
paranoia in an entire nation with absolutely no evidence. I'm rapidly
becoming convinced that the US government is playing us all like a bunch of
suckers. When I see things like <a href="http://www.vampirebat.com/obeythefist/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv" target="_blank">this video</a> it becomes obvious that no nation
could possibly be a threat to the US. I also know first hand that terrorism
can't be stopped by force, only through negotiation.

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It is a lot easier to stir up paranoia with the truth than anything else. What I find more interesting than evidence of weapons of mass destruction is the surprising lack of evidence that these type of things were destroyed.
Do you really think you can negotiate with someone who has been brainwashed all their life to believe that human life is expendable and worthless?