CROSS OF IRON: WWII Flipped Over!!!!

While I reailze that it would no doubt be politically incorrect, I wish a talanted gaming company would make a WWII FPS game called "Cross of Iron" (The opposite of Medal of Honor) as played/seen from the German point of view. Starting with the blitzkreig, as a lone soldier who's caught up in the whirlwind of the German war machine. YOU decide whether you commit acts of Nazism, or are you one of the Germans who were against Hitler and his Nazi aims. Maybe at some point in the game you could join the movement of troops who had plotted to assassinate him? Perhaps you could defect to the Americans or French Resistance? ... Or if you're just feeling like being evil, then play out the many atrocities of the Nazi juggernaught. I feel that a game/interactive story of this type should be made and marketed. Hell even one from the Japanese point of view, as I'm sick and fuckin' tired of always playing the American POV. Yeah, I'm proud to be an American but just once I'd like to take control of members of another army/protagonist and live it through their eyes.

Would any of you like to see a game like this? Would you buy such a game if a company not only had the balls to make such a game, but a publisher to publish it? Just curious as to the diversity of responses I hope to get.

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I would.BTW,isn't there a game about the Viet Cong similar to this for the PC?

BF 1942 pretty much meets those requirements seeing as you can play as either allied or axis.

Mike

An 'SS-Troop-Simulation' should get an interesting reaction from our neighbour Germany... wink

They already freaked out over WOLFENSTEIN!

MegaDrive 20XX:
Perhaps you could defect to the Americans or French Resistance? ... Or if you're just feeling like being evil, then play out the many atrocities of the Nazi juggernaught. I feel that a game/interactive story of this type should be made and marketed. Hell even one from the Japanese point of view, as I'm sick and fuckin' tired of always playing the American POV.

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This is one of those quotes that makes me think 'What F**king planet is this guy living on?'


The idea of making light of so many innocent deaths is disgusting.
The idea of 'playing out' Nazi attrocities for amusment is sickening.

Its about as worthy of being a game, as playing the 911 Hijackers.

You should seriously re-think the above stupid comments.
Being 'politically incorrect' is calling your girlfriend 'babe'.
Wanting to re-live the horrors of the Holocaust in a vide-game from the point of view of the Nazi's is just plain sick.

Interesting concept if not somewhat disturbing. I always liked games that let you play the 'bad guys' (because the good guys always suck, and the bad guys always have cool loot). I don't really think I'd want to play as a nazi tho. Here's a big fuck you in advance for people who will reply to this thread thinking nazis are a race. Nazis were a GOVERNMENT.

You could do one from the French point of view...

but how much fun would it be just to go to like 50 different beautifully rendered and designed levels with stellar sound, lush enviroments and 60 fps.. where your objective is to surrender? Talk about button mashing.

What a concept though.. instead of weapons, you could have like all different surrender types. White Flag, Raise Hands, Run Toward enemy, put hands behind head, Beg for Mercy.

All you would need is a Run Button and Surrender Button.

FPS = First Person Surrendering.


loco lol loco

They didn't completely surrender you know, they did try to resist by building a type of series of underground passages, with equipment and resorts ahead of its time, but money and support from the citizens was little, especially coming out of WWI. The money and the support of the people just wasn't there.

It might fly if Resistance published it. I'm sure you all rushed out and bought your copy of Ethnic Cleansing...remember? tickled

And Metal Slug, please, ease up on the politcal correctness patrol. Playing something and doing something are worlds apart. Everyday people play games that could easily make them question their inner feelings as to why it appeals to them, be it a shooter or a hack-n-slash or a beat-em-up. Most games revolve around violence, and just because MegaDrive proposes a game on violence that probably took place doesn't make him the devil. What, since 9-11 we can't have buildings in games that go down anymore?

Lou Gojira:
It might fly if Resistance published it. I'm sure you all rushed out and bought your copy of Ethnic Cleansing...remember? tickled

And Metal Slug, please, ease up on the politcal correctness patrol. Playing something and doing something are worlds apart. Everyday people play games that could easily make them question their inner feelings as to why it appeals to them, be it a shooter or a hack-n-slash or a beat-em-up. Most games revolve around violence, and just because MegaDrive proposes a game on violence that probably took place doesn't make him the devil. What, since 9-11 we can't have buildings in games that go down anymore?

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Thanks for the backup Gojira. As I was stating that it's high time a game should be made where history is not alway told from the POV of just the victors of war. If movies or books can be made about stuff through the eyes of others (i.e. Enemies at the Gate, Cross of Iron, Stalingrad etc.) then why not a game. I personally wouldn't want to commit genocidal acts upon anyone even in a virtual realm. BUT... why should something that happened not be apart of the game itself. If you'd bothered to read my post Metal Slug you'd see that I said "YOU" are a soldier of the German war machine who must make decsions. That you could be among those who plotted against Hitler, that you do other things. The game would be more of FABLE meets MOH, where it's what YOU decide to do and not some pre-thought out path. HOWEVER, it would mean that if some person decied they did want to be an evil motherfucker and decide to go along with what is history, DID happen and cannot be denied (no matter that you feel it's tasteless) is ridiculous. Again it be like having a game called WAR OF THE SUN, where you play a Japanese soldier who's apart of some intelligence agency and must help spear head the movement to save his nation after the embargo. Because of your positioning it could place you in favor of all that his military leaders decided or you could go against it. Such as my idea with the German outlook. Why is it such a crime or Evil to what to see/play a game where the consequences of your actions and what not, set in a historical past could be made into historical fiction depending on your own choices. Having to live out those choices... being hunted down by your own forces should you make the morally right choice etc!

Thus I suggest you read in toto what I posted. I'm not for making a game where you act out an ass... but I am for games (Since 3-D is supposed to be more realistic) that take you to the cliff and you decide whether or not to jump off. That would put you in the shoes of another from another time, another age and another country. This kind of concept might have been scratched but has never been fully executed in any fashion I've seen. **And for the record, I'm still pissed that Air Force Delta Storm got pulled from shelves right after 9-11 because there were levels that you could crash your plane into! That's just nuts right there man. No different than having shelved "Phone Boothe" just because of the Sniper shit that happened at the same time. Ppl have to realize that there are more than one side to a story, a reason for it, no matter how controversial, and trying to shield our eyes from those persepectives accomplishes nothing more than continued ignorance. So a game like I'm talking about shouldn't be made huh? Well I asked for diverse responses and I respect your opinion. I for one long for a day when mankind begins to see things from many angles and then makes a judgement after having been in the others shoes, virtual or not. Thanks for the reply... no seriously, as I really wanted to see what ppl would say about such a concept... but in the future TRY to read everything out that I posted okay? Don't immedately peg me for the slaughter house. wink

P.S. thanks for editing out the part where I'm proud to be an American, but that I like to think outside the box. You kind of remind me of how certain elements of the King James Bible have been omitted or the wording changed around in a way that would seem benign but is subconciously fucked in it's presentation. If you were going to quote me, please do so in it's toto on something like that. I'm a dude who thinks outside the box, but doesn't claim to hate his nation and would very well die for it if the red tape would be pulled away for my "Frontline" service as a Marine!

<small>[ March 28, 2003, 10:26 AM: Message edited by: MegaDrive 20XX ]</small>

Herzog Drei:
An 'SS-Troop-Simulation' should get an interesting reaction from our neighbour Germany... wink

They already freaked out over WOLFENSTEIN!

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Look at their reaction to the new Command and Conquer Generals game. Poof right on the restricted list it went. Silly Germans it's just a game.

Metal Slug:

MegaDrive 20XX:
Perhaps you could defect to the Americans or French Resistance? ... Or if you're just feeling like being evil, then play out the many atrocities of the Nazi juggernaught. I feel that a game/interactive story of this type should be made and marketed. Hell even one from the Japanese point of view, as I'm sick and fuckin' tired of always playing the American POV.

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This is one of those quotes that makes me think 'What F**king planet is this guy living on?'


The idea of making light of so many innocent deaths is disgusting.
The idea of 'playing out' Nazi attrocities for amusment is sickening.

Its about as worthy of being a game, as playing the 911 Hijackers.

You should seriously re-think the above stupid comments.
Being 'politically incorrect' is calling your girlfriend 'babe'.
Wanting to re-live the horrors of the Holocaust in a vide-game from the point of view of the Nazi's is just plain sick.

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I gotta agree with you on this... that is horrible.

You have to know why they do not make games like this... There would be a nasty cry from the public, and a NASTY spotlight on gaming.

that kind of game would not be a good idea.

I didn't even like Postal... that was a crappy game.. killing innocent people all the time.

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You have to know why they do not make games like this... There would be a nasty cry from the public, and a NASTY spotlight on gaming.

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But that's just it, as long as there's people who don't play games in this world, games will always retain a negative spotlight in one form or the other. Look at how Doom got blamed for that Columbine shooting, talk about retarded.

What's wrong with a big "what if?" made into a game? Movies do it. You ever seen "The Last Temptation of Christ"? Speaking from a Christian's POV that movie was an atrocity, portraying my Lord and Savior as a sexually frustrated weakling. So you know what I did? I simply didn't watch the thing, and when my little girl is old enough to watch something like that and not have it affect her judgement and/or common sense, it'll be her choice to sit through it or not. You think this movie is going to sway anybody off the path of Christianity? The most I see it doing is giving atheists and agnostics something gratuitous to watch.

Same with this premise. You think this is going to push anti-semitism or form a sort of new Nazi Youth? No way. Most of all, if it offends, it'll get ignored. If you're already an anti-semite or Nazi-wannabe it'll be some gratuitous entertainment. Either way it won't drive up the death rate of Jews, and it sure won't put a positive spin on anything that went down historically.

All this is just IMO of course.

*edit* This premise can also be entertaining if you're not an aspiring Nazi. Sorry I forgot that aspect of it, I think I'm too busy focusing on the whole freedom of speech aspects.

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VanillaThunder:
You could do one from the French point of view...

but how much fun would it be just to go to like 50 different beautifully rendered and designed levels with stellar sound, lush enviroments and 60 fps.. where your objective is to surrender? Talk about button mashing.

What a concept though.. instead of weapons, you could have like all different surrender types. White Flag, Raise Hands, Run Toward enemy, put hands behind head, Beg for Mercy.

All you would need is a Run Button and Surrender Button.

FPS = First Person Surrendering.


loco lol loco

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Jokes about the French never get old.


No, wait... yes they do.

Metal Slug:
This is one of those quotes that makes me think 'What F**king planet is this guy living on?'


The idea of making light of so many innocent deaths is disgusting.
The idea of 'playing out' Nazi attrocities for amusment is sickening.

Its about as worthy of being a game, as playing the 911 Hijackers.

You should seriously re-think the above stupid comments.
Being 'politically incorrect' is calling your girlfriend 'babe'.
Wanting to re-live the horrors of the Holocaust in a vide-game from the point of view of the Nazi's is just plain sick.

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Actually, isn't the GLA in C&C: Generals kind of like Al-Qaeda? Or at least just a "generic Middle East-based terrorist organization" that could fill the bill of Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, etc.? I think they have suicide bombings as an available technique, which I think anybody would argue is in poor taste.

I'm sure this Nazi FPS wouldn't sell very well anyway; too many people would be skittish about playing the bad guy for it to sell, let alone a soldier for "history's greatest monster."

That said, Return to Castle Wolfenstein lets you play as Axis, as does Allied Assault. However, these are only in multiplayer.

Hell ya I would play it.
I always play the Germans in the multi-player Frontline.Always.Its always about playing the "good guys"in games.Thats why its a video game,so there can be escape from reality.
Why can't we be the aggressor?I would love playing as the side that initiates everything,and see if I could wipe out everyone systematically,and breaking every rule in the book doing it,I think it would rock! buttrock
If you REALLY want to piss people off then make it like a SIMS game,where you not only try to expand the Nazi empire,but also have to manage concentration camps,reach quotas,liquidate ghettos,BOY that would get some peoples' panties in an uproar! eek!

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Metal Slug:

MegaDrive 20XX:
Perhaps you could defect to the Americans or French Resistance? ... Or if you're just feeling like being evil, then play out the many atrocities of the Nazi juggernaught. I feel that a game/interactive story of this type should be made and marketed. Hell even one from the Japanese point of view, as I'm sick and fuckin' tired of always playing the American POV.

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This is one of those quotes that makes me think 'What F**king planet is this guy living on?'


The idea of making light of so many innocent deaths is disgusting.
The idea of 'playing out' Nazi attrocities for amusment is sickening.

Its about as worthy of being a game, as playing the 911 Hijackers.

You should seriously re-think the above stupid comments.
Being 'politically incorrect' is calling your girlfriend 'babe'.
Wanting to re-live the horrors of the Holocaust in a vide-game from the point of view of the Nazi's is just plain sick.

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Your moralistic rantings would best be omitted. First of all, the German Army was not directly or indirectly responsible for the 'Holocaust'. The military of the Third Reich did not design, nor implement, the genocide. It was the political arm of the regime which really gave it birth. Secondly, your statements reflect the typical bullshit rhetoric of 'good vs evil'. If you're an educated adult, as I believe you are, you should know better than that. The German Army was fighting for its country in a manner equally 'evil' or 'good' to that of the Allied troops. And thirdly, he was just posting about videogames revolving around WWII, for God's sake. Not about killing Jews in Auschwitz.

And in response to mega: yes, there are some very good videogames in which you can take sides with the German forces. Take flight simulators, for example. I'm a great fan of 'European Air War', a slightly date but extremely good combat flight simulation. -I have won two Iron Crosses and many promotions with my Focke Wulf FW190A on the European Theatre! :-) -

It would be cool if they just made one game that played out the war from the perspective as an allied soldier, a german soldier, and a japanese soldier. But make it like they are real people, making the story progress with letters home, stories, etc.

Like a 3 disc set with one disc for each version.

That would be kind of cool to have.