A fair, in depth look at Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

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This is an actual review for the game Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, without any additives such as hype.

I decided to go out and try out a copy of GTA:VC. Luckily I didn't have to even rent because my friend let me borrow this game. I play GTA:3 and it was a quite a disappointment, so I said, "I'll give this game a fair try and really see if there is something to all the hype". I played it for about an hour. I messed around with all the missions and ran over people just as my friend suggested and built my empire and did everything I could do, and after a good hour, I had seen what this game was like.

Graphics: The graphics department leaves much to be desired. For starters, it looks like a very polished PS1 game with some polygon boosts. Imagine Bleem on the PC and that's what you basically get. There is also the issue of bad framerate. The game never goes past a sluggish 30 frames per second making the game look choppy and at times glitchy. There was also an odd problem in the game: as you turn around or if the camera ever spun around, you get a motion blur effect similar to what is seen in Gameboy games when they scroll. It seems odd that a next-gen title such as GTA:VC doesn't look as good as the first generation PS2 games, much less some Dreamcast games. Soulcalibur has better texturing and smoother more animated character models. Also, the game tries to look real, but the character animations are computer and not motion captured. Models look clunky and blocky in their movements. More time and thought should have been put into how a person moves because I saw no resemblance of human motion. On a positive note, the atmosphere was colorful and the occasional lens flare was a nice touch, but these small steps towards good didn't make much of a difference when compared to the other oversights.

Gameplay; This department had some good ideas, but most of them were executed terribly. The fighting system (eg. punching, shooting guns, using weapons) was horrendous. I found myself at times running around just hoping I would hit something or someone. Most of the time I had better luck hitting someone when I just aimlessly threw punches then when I would actually try to land a punch. There is no targeting system or auto targeting system in which one can aim in on an enemy. Even a throw in lock on ability, as in Shenmue, would have been nice. The other odd gameplay element is the way in which you walk, run, and especially jump. You take the role of this ominous bad guy, but you run awkwardly and you jump feet first like a kind of leapfrog. It honestly looks ridiculous and was quite entertaining to see a game character jump like that. All I can say is even Mario on the NES had a less ridiculous jump then he did. The idea of stealing cars, beating people, and building an empire are a nice idea, but after a small time, they wear on your patience and you can only run over so many people as they fall over with as much emotion as a cardboard cutout, but and idea that needs quite a lot of work.

Sound. This category was actually the only one that helps the game. It was a nice idea to use 80's music and from many different genres. Also the addition of professional voice actors was a nice touch that gave the blocky characters some emotion and feeling. There could have been the improvement of in game music when you are not in the car. The sound of your feet hitting the pavement is not the best soundtrack, but is forgivable in this instance. Overall, sound was the best part of the game.

Overall Fun: After turning off my PS2, I was shocked and amazed at what I had just played. This game has sold millions, but isn't even above par. This game could have been something great, but when mixed with minimal graphics, bad framrate, clunky gameplay, the sound isn't enough to carry the game. This game is comparable to Nsync, they are a pop sensation and yes they are a band and they sing, but they sell albums because everyone follows the bandwagon and doesn't judge for themselves. Yes, they sing well, but they are nothing more than fakes behind gloss and shine. The same applies for GTA:VC: While packaged nice and bearing the name of a game that was already below average, people flocked to it in droves anyway because it's hip or hyped. Thankfully I was not subjected to the torture of having to buy a game or because it was new or hip. When games like F-Zero on SNES, which is about 15 years old, run at a smoother framrate than this game, there is a problem. We as a gaming community deserve better. Settling for second best or in this case fifth or sixth best, is ridiculous. I know some of you might think this is harsh, but its the truth. All I have stated here is fact. The issues of graphics, framrate, animation, gameplay etc, are all there and they are told just as I saw them. I did not make things up in order to bash a game, because quite honestly, I wish this game was good so I could enjoy a great new game, but sadly it failed in that attempt. I played, I saw with my own un-biased eyes, and what I walked away with was a deeper appreciation for games that are awesome unlike the ill-fated GTA:VC.

Rating: 3 out of 10

<small>[ March 28, 2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: s7cbassplayer ]</small>
 

steveold

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So what the game magazines don't want us to know is you and your dark thoughts? :D

I appreciate you breaking it down like that... that's a lot of scouting and reviewing.

Personally I don't play VC much these days. In fact don't think I've touched it in 2 months... and last time I did, it was just a quick 10 minute kill joy thing.

It just got old to me. When I first got it I admit I was very excited playing it. Now it just feels like a chore. And I don't like that in my games.

I'd give it higher than a "3/10" but bottom line is there are plenty more games I rather play than Vice City.
 
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Edit:

I'll change the title a bot in order to make it more sensible. Thanks for the advice my man. :D
 

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It is a inovative game with tons of potential but your right it lacks the pollish it needs to put it over the top. Its just like they scratch the surface of the life of the city when they could go deeper to make it a more involved game instead of so shallow. I still like it though. Mainly because its not so linier and you have some freedom to do as you will. Better graphics team and more indepth thought out gameplay would make this game rock.
 

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This is news? I thought you'd at least have some secret code or something. Nope, just dogging probably the best game of last year. oh_no
 
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naitram:
This is news? I thought you'd at least have some secret code or something. Nope, just dogging probably the best game of last year. oh_no
I'm really not trying to dog the game. I feel I gave a very fair review. I didn't just spit out un founded claims or just said, "Man this game sucks". It's not the best because there are games that are better. There are games that have better graphics, better gameplay, better music, better innovation, and better overall fun. Lately I see that most people say a game is the best just because they own it. I own a lot of games, some of them range from spectacular to great to average, and just because I own it or others say it is great, doesn't make it a good game. I feel Rockstar was trying to cash in on the name of GTA, but just like big boy bands of the late 90's, most people will realize after many years that it was a period in time and more of a fad instead of a genuine classic.

As I said before, all of my claims are based on the truth, you can play the game yourself, and everything I said about it will be in there, the average grapchis, the slow framerate, bad fighting system and so much more, BUT I also did mention the good music and good voice acting. If I wanted to dog a game, I would never give it any credit for any of the good parts as I did. I just don't like settleing for average or O.K. Why should I, or anyone for that matter, have to buy average? It's inovative, true, but not ingenious.
 

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Yeah dude but a 3/10? That's bullshit lie.

I hate the fucking game but it at least deserves a 6/10.
 
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Yeah dude but a 3/10? That's bullshit lie.

I hate the fucking game but it at least deserves a 6/10.
Yea, I can see where you are coming from, but I think I was just getting over the shock of how troubling the game was. If I hadn't played a lot of better games, I might have given it a 6/10, but I know some games that are 6/10 in my book and they are so much better than GAT:VC, that's why it got a 3/10.
 

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3/10 is a Street Fighter: The Movie calibur of a game.

It's Legend of Success Joe quality.

It's Bubsy 3D.

Superman for the N64 scored better than a 3 in some mags. :D
 

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Some hate it, some like it. You love MGS2 and ZOE2, i think MGS2 is a pos game and ZOE2 is ok but not worth getting right now.

To each their own

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Zeekade Zarathos

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FLAMEBAIT!

The title says a fair, in depth look at what many consider to be the best game of last year, and yet the final tally reads "3/10", a score I would reserve for the Bubsy's and the Superman 64's of the world.

Thank you for your honest opinion, but c'mon, this isn't going to start anything good...
 

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Just for your information you can actually aim at people when you shoot. You can also change targets too. So I don't know what you are talking about. Obviously you missed some stuff, or am I mistaken?
 

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s7cbassplayer:
There are games that have better graphics, better gameplay, better music, better innovation, and better overall fun. I feel Rockstar was trying to cash in on the name of GTA, but just like big boy bands of the late 90's, most people will realize after many years that it was a period in time and more of a fad instead of a genuine classic.
But it's the way it's all put together that makes it so great. I don't think it's cashing in on a name. I mean the first couple GTA games were not very popular at all. GTA3 took a good concept, and and gave it a whole new dimiension (no pun intended). "Cashing in" on a name is when a company releases sequel after sequel of a series, without making any noticable improvements. There are many of those I don't need to name.

I don't think it's great "just because I own it", but because I played the shit out of it, and beat it, and keep going back for more. How many games can you drive around on a stolen motorcycle, mowing down innocent pedestrians with an uzi while listening to "Too Young to fall in Love" by Motley Crue?

I mean geezus tits, a 3/10?!? Haha it's cool, we all have our opinions...just wanted to defend mine. :)
 

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naitram:
s7cbassplayer:
There are games that have better graphics, better gameplay, better music, better innovation, and better overall fun. I feel Rockstar was trying to cash in on the name of GTA, but just like big boy bands of the late 90's, most people will realize after many years that it was a period in time and more of a fad instead of a genuine classic.
But it's the way it's all put together that makes it so great. I don't think it's cashing in on a name. I mean the first couple GTA games were not very popular at all. GTA3 took a good concept, and and gave it a whole new dimiension (no pun intended). "Cashing in" on a name is when a company releases sequel after sequel of a series, without making any noticable improvements. There are many of those I don't need to name.

I don't think it's great "just because I own it", but because I played the shit out of it, and beat it, and keep going back for more. How many games can you drive around on a stolen motorcycle, mowing down innocent pedestrians with an uzi while listening to "Too Young to fall in Love" by Motley Crue?

I mean geezus tits, a 3/10?!? Haha it's cool, we all have our opinions...just wanted to defend mine. :)
Couldn't have said it any better. The game is original all around. Always remember, You have to sacrifice alot of important things if you wanna concentrate on one thing. Unless you want a sequel released after quite a few years. Which is the case in let's say Resident Evil 4 (That I totally appreciate) but not many companies wanna live broke for a while in order to make the PERFECT game.
 

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What are you talking about... How can you possibly count fps on a console game?

And I guess, like everyone else, you missed the storyline. Am I the only one who actually saw something else in that game besides shooting people for no reason and was I the only one who took notice of where Rockstar put their efforts (voice acting, storyline, music, etc)?

It may not be the best visual game but I could care less. It may not have the best shooting system, however it does have a lot of elements that put this game way above ground level. If you wanna talk in depth, well you may very well include all of the little details that has Rockstar put in the game to give it a feeling.

I said it before and I'll say it again, people who like this game likes it for the wrong reasons and vice versa.

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What are you talking about... How can you possibly count fps on a console game?

And I guess, like everyone else, you missed the storyline. Am I the only one who actually saw something else in that game besides shooting people for no reason and was I the only one who took notice of where Rockstar put their efforts (voice acting, storyline, music, etc)?

It may not be the best visual game but I could care less. It may not have the best shooting system, however it does have a lot of elements that put this game way above ground level. If you wanna talk in depth, well you may very well include all of the little details that has Rockstar put in the game to give it a feeling.

I said it before and I'll say it again, people who like this game likes it for the wrong reasons and vice versa.
Again, I understand where you all are coming from, but the issue of less than respectable graphics, gameplay, and fun is still there. Even a storyline cannot save a game. It's great to have it, but without the other elements, it's like wacthing a movie with really bad gameplay parts in-between. You say I dislike the game for the wrong reasons. So is disliking a game for below par graphics, gameplay, framerate, loading, and character movement wrong reasoning?

And game companies don't have to go out of buisness or become poor to make a great or perfect game. Companies like Capcom, Konami, Namco, Sega, and Tecmo do it all the time. Yes it might take them 4-5 years to do it well, but that's because they want the game to be good. Games shouldn't be like McDonalds, and GTA:VC seemed like an over warmed big mac with soggy fries. Yes it is a hamburger, but it's terrible.

Even though you may not like MGS:2 or ZOE:2 Yung, those games still have better graphics, framerate, innovation, and gameplay than VC. Running around shooting and beating up pedestrians has been done before, except they used to be called beat em ups, and those kind of games have been done much better than this one. I'll take Final Fight over this game any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

As I said before, the facts are all there in the game that I stated. It just seems odd that people seem to forgive a game for mediocre gameplay, simple graphics, and choppy framerate, but then a game like MGS:2 that has better graphics (and it's older than VC), better gameplay, better framerate, and better fun, is criticized for any little flaw that people can see in it. Why point out the tiny flaw in one game when there are monumental problems with the game you play? Seems a bit odd to me.
 

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I'd call it a 6/10. Yes, the game's production values are quite high, the music adds a lot of atmosphere and the story and voice-overs were really ambitious. The game does bog down quite a bit though, and the control and frame indeed leaves a lot to be desired. I checked it out from work, dumped like 5 hours into, and just decided it wasn't my bag.

This game is notorious for being adored by lots of teenage wannabe gang-bangers who wear FUBU and skim EGM for codes so they can just roll around and blow shit up.

The ideas in GTA are really forward thinking, but I do feel the game could still use a whole lot of technical polish with regard to control and speed. If this was a straight-forward action game, people would bitch about the sloppy control all day long. I just think this game gets way more attention than it deserves.
 

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For those that do not remember, s7cbassplayer pulled this same shit with GTA 3. Basically posting brainless drivel disguised as a review in order to start a flamewar over it. True, he has posted MORE drivel than last time, but it is still drivel. Quantity and quality are two different things.

Expecting a fair review of a GTA game from him is like asking politicians to count their own votes and believing they will be honest about it.

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BioMotor_Unitron:
For those that do not remember, s7cbassplayer pulled this same shit with GTA 3. Basically posting brainless drivel disguised as a review in order to start a flamewar over it. True, he has posted MORE drivel than last time, but it is still drivel. Quantity and quality are two different things.

Expecting a fair review of a GTA game from him is like asking politicians to count their own votes and believing they will be honest about it.
Now BioMotor, that is ignorant on your part to call what I said drivel. I talked about the game in an honest manner. I didn't use general terms or say "IT SUCKED" or "IT BLEW", I talked about the game and how it had all those poor qualities which can be seen in the game. So please do not call what I say drivel. It is far from what many other immature Neo Geo board memebers post in terms of immaturatiy.

So because I didn't like the last game, I'm a biased fool? I give each game a fair chance. For example, I liked Devil May Cry 1, but tought DVC 2 was below average. I don't discriminate.

For your information I never reviewed GTA:3 on these boards. The only game I reviewed in the GTA series was this game about 7 months ago when it came out. This is far from flaimbait. If you feel it is, then your definition is skewed. I never used any personal attacks or directed this to anyone. If I wanted flamebait, I would have said the whole game sucked and said it had no redeeming values, but if you'll read my review you'll see there are many elements I gave GTA:VC credit for.

BTW, Thanks Loopz for the insight. I know we don't agree on a lot of things, but I appreciate you not resorting to personal attacks like BioMotor.
 

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s7cbassplayer:
So because I didn't like the last game, I'm a biased fool? I give each game a fair chance. For example, I liked Devil May Cry 1, but tought DVC 2 was below average. I don't discriminate.
What do you consider a fair chance, though? If you rented the game, played it an hour or so, and said "OK, the graphics, control, and music are only sub-par, what is the big deal?" and give it a 3/10, well I'd say that's not too fair of an assessment.

The story progression, new area discovery, new vehicles and weapons to find, and the missions you play throughout the game itself is the biggest reason why Vice City is a great game. And I've never even used a code in the game to enhance my enjoyment. Try beating the game and see what you think.

Your example of Devil May Cry I can use, because I beat that game also, but I happen to think it sucks. I thought the story was pathetic and the gameplay was repetitive and boring. But at least I played it all the way through, because I was interested in the concept and it caught my fancy at first. But I ended up not liking it.

When "professional reviewers" like those in EGM or whatever rate a game, I think their score is based on their view after they've completed the game. If you're not willing to play the game all the way through, then obviously it's not your bag in the first place...so why come on here to "rate" it a 3/10, unless to start some shit? Drivel, indeed. :rolleyes:
 
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s7cbassplayer:
So because I didn't like the last game, I'm a biased fool? I give each game a fair chance. For example, I liked Devil May Cry 1, but tought DVC 2 was below average. I don't discriminate.
What do you consider a fair chance, though? If you rented the game, played it an hour or so, and said "OK, the graphics, control, and music are only sub-par, what is the big deal?" and give it a 3/10, well I'd say that's not too fair of an assessment.

The story progression, new area discovery, new vehicles and weapons to find, and the missions you play throughout the game itself is the biggest reason why Vice City is a great game. And I've never even used a code in the game to enhance my enjoyment. Try beating the game and see what you think.

Your example of Devil May Cry I can use, because I beat that game also, but I happen to think it sucks. I thought the story was pathetic and the gameplay was repetitive and boring. But at least I played it all the way through, because I was interested in the concept and it caught my fancy at first. But I ended up not liking it.

When "professional reviewers" like those in EGM or whatever rate a game, I think their score is based on their view after they've completed the game. If you're not willing to play the game all the way through, then obviously it's not your bag in the first place...so why come on here to "rate" it a 3/10, unless to start some shit? Drivel, indeed. :rolleyes:
I played the game through. All I said was that I played the first initial hour dissapointed. I understand what you say about all of the progression to better cars more gizmos and all that stuff, but why wade through bad gaemplay, average graphics, and choppy framerate to get to it. It's like telling me to eat a bowl of dirt in order to get to my dessert. Why not play a game that is a joy to go through AND has all those great unlockable secrets.

In Shinobi, you find new areas, new secrets, unlock art and characters, have a good story, and most importantly have incredible gameplay and 60 frames per second. That's like saying have some fine well made moist steak and then have desert too. Now that is a game my friends.

So if I'm unfair because I have high standards and have played much better and don't settle for rubish? I'll have my nice T-Bone while you have your McDonalds soggy over warmed burger and I'm sorry I don't have lower standards.
 

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Bottom line is, if you're a Scarface fan like I am, you won't really care about the graphics (well to some point) and I didn't find anything THAT BAD about the gameplay. At least nothing that could prevent me from properly playing it.

Now for GTA 3, the whole concept was great in this way. You could do whatever you wanted to do. Sure you had missions but you were not force to do them right away. If you look a little bit further into the game (VC), you'll see that there's a lot more than meets the eyes at first.

But as Loopz said, the people who plays this game gives it a bad reputation. Teens who knows nothing about the 80s, Miami Vice, Scarface and what not. I could do a faq on every stuff that have been taken from great mob movies and put into this game without even changing it. The office of Tommy Vercetti is almost identical to the one in Scarface like his estate. You just have to look at his security system cameras to see actually reproduction of Scarface's surveillance shot. Maybe I should do a small website about it and pointing out every aspect of the game which are almost a carbon copy of what movies they borrow it from.

Just an example. For those who saw Carlito's Way, in Vice City, your lawyer talks and looks exactly like Kleinfeld (Sean Penn's role). Coincidence? I don't think so. The development team are just a bunch of crazy movie maniacs just like me and they did the game on that standard which suits me perfectly.

My point is that you just can't take an "in depth look" at a game and miss 60% of it by putting graphic first then gameplay, then sound and then put an overall note. You're just doing what 99% of everyone on gamefaqs does.

And btw, how do you guys actually knows the real frame rate? I mean on a computer game, it's fairly easy but on a console game, there's no setting for it. You can't determine a game just by looking at it unless you have done image by image of the character walking and analyze when he moves and when he doesn't on the 30 second period.

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s7cbassplayer, I've noticed that lately you have made a number of posts about framerates, mainly concerning Splinter Cell and this game.
What I want to know is why are you so hung up on them?
Yea, I know that 60fps is optimal, but given the high number of pedestrians, cars and buildings, as well as the huge playing environment that GTA:VC throws arround (along with some bloom lighting and the usual other effects), and the fact that the PS2 does not have infinate processing power, I'd say that 30fps is fairly good, and certainly not 'choppy' or in any way detemental to anyones ability to play the game.
The same goes for Splinter Cell.

So why is a game not running at 60fps such a big deal?


And on a different note - I have a few things I'd like to vent about Panzer Dragoon Orta. Anyone mind if I post a 'fair in depth review' about that :D
 

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I'm no GTA fan myself but ever since you've showed up here you've astounded me with your shitty taste. Do you dislike stuff solely because everyone else likes it? Do you think it makes you elite or cool? I'm just curious, you seem to bag on a lot of games that everyone loves.
 

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You are removing your self from the realistic point of fact that it is an enjoyable game.

Perhaps because of "what it is" and "what it represents" = as in commercial gaming in the modern world, you think that you should say u dont like it beciase you "think you should".

I've seen the film, u fit the stereotype.

I personaly dont find it too enthralling, but it is a good enjoyable game.

Grow up.
 
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