Guilty Gear X2: Proof that Capcom and Playmore are some LAZY BITCHES.

I'm sitting here after playing GGX2 for a while, and I'm stunned. This tiny little company, Arc System Works, has managed to break out with more 2D creativity and power than Capcom has in the last five years and Playmore's short existence COMBINED. I picked up this game thinking it would just be a minor upgrade to the first game, but I was totally wrong. The music is better than the first title, the new characters are fucking amazing and the game is nice and FAST. This game has entirely its own vibe happening, with solid physics and just a touch of the crazy air juggles people dig from the VS series without being ridiculous and overpowered like the mess that is MvC2. When I play this game, I can only weep and imagine what a similarly engineered KoF or Vampire/SF series game would be like. If anything, this game is infallible proof that had SNK not gone hog wild with all the doomed side projects (NGPC, NGCD, Hyper64) and made the NAOMI their new primary hardware five years ago, they just might still be alive today.
Capcom and the folks at Playmore should check out this game and hang their fucking heads in SHAME. They've been outdone by some hungry, talented motherfuckers who still CARE about making a good fighting game.

Amen to Loopz. This game is just that damn good. Now to figure out all the technical shiznit in here...

so far my fav new characters are I-no and Slayer. how about you all?

There's no denying its a great game, but its too stupid and over-the-fucking-top. Those lame ass characters are hardly creative...they're just absurd. I can be creative too:

Lets make a character who likes to eat sandwiches all the time. He arrives to every fight in a flying phone booth, and his costume is a raincoat.

that's not interesting, and neither are half the characters from the GG series. granted, its better than a recylced Ryo or Kyo sprite...but some people are giving this company way too much credit for originality.

As for the High-res sprites and artwork...yeah I think its pretty obvious they completely kill Capcom and Playmore...and *gasp* SNK [rip]

I always new c system was one to watch out for when the first guilty gear came out for the psx. The time they put in for detail from the smallest part of the level design all the way to their characters, and to top it off they do it cause they LOVE it! I met a couple of the guys when they where in Berkly testing out audiances when GGX was coming out these dudes look like they haven't even seen the inside of a corprate office, needless to say with their anti-mainstream preseance I was inspired that day.

While all the big corp studios are going 3d to please everyone these bastards are taking 2d to the next level. Look at the stages in CvS 2 and then look at GGX, tell me Axl's stage with the train, rain, and dog doesn't blow out Shin Goki/God Rugal's stage, look at Millia's stage and tell me it doesn't put the antartica stage to shame. If SNK was around I'm sure with their flare for backgrounds they would be up to the challenge set forth by ASW but looking at some of the stuff Playmore has done it's like they're still fucking around near the starting line somewhere. ASW even handles their biz on characters, Sol's the resident badass and he looks and plays like one, for a former crack-head who would have thought Chip was a top notch ninja, and if Axel Rose was ever part of a video game Axl would be the result.

Hell even the GBA version was top notch and I've only played GGX2 a couple times but I knew going into that one that I could only expect some more of that 2d magic ASW seems to love to bring. It's painstakingly obvious that Arc has proven that the line of, "Don't worry about the big guy, look out of the little one." to be so true on so many levels.

Kid Aphex:
There's no denying its a great game, but its too stupid and over-the-fucking-top. Those lame ass characters are hardly creative...they're just absurd. I can be creative too:

Lets make a character who likes to eat sandwiches all the time. He arrives to every fight in a flying phone booth, and his costume is a raincoat.

that's not interesting, and neither are half the characters from the GG series. granted, its better than a recylced Ryo or Kyo sprite...but some people are giving this company way too much credit for originality.

As for the High-res sprites and artwork...yeah I think its pretty obvious they completely kill Capcom and Playmore...and *gasp* SNK [rip]

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I sometimes want to hit you. GGX2 characters are nothing but creative and original. Its japanese humor for gods sake! Ever watch Excel Saga? Cooky ass japanese humor. Thats what GGX and GGX2 reek of and honestly thats one of the reasons I love the game. Yes I wish they'd do a more serious game with that graphics style, but still.

The game plays great, its got great controls, it plays fast, its balanced, hell it looks PHENOMINAL! What more do you want in a 2D fighter?

Peace

JHendrix

JHendrix:

Kid Aphex:
There's no denying its a great game, but its too stupid and over-the-fucking-top. Those lame ass characters are hardly creative...they're just absurd. I can be creative too:

Lets make a character who likes to eat sandwiches all the time. He arrives to every fight in a flying phone booth, and his costume is a raincoat.

that's not interesting, and neither are half the characters from the GG series. granted, its better than a recylced Ryo or Kyo sprite...but some people are giving this company way too much credit for originality.

As for the High-res sprites and artwork...yeah I think its pretty obvious they completely kill Capcom and Playmore...and *gasp* SNK [rip]

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I sometimes want to hit you. GGX2 characters are nothing but creative and original. Its japanese humor for gods sake! Ever watch Excel Saga? Cooky ass japanese humor. Thats what GGX and GGX2 reek of and honestly thats one of the reasons I love the game. Yes I wish they'd do a more serious game with that graphics style, but still.

The game plays great, its got great controls, it plays fast, its balanced, hell it looks PHENOMINAL! What more do you want in a 2D fighter?

Peace

JHendrix

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lol note i said, the game itself is excellent. i really think the designs are stupid though. buuuut thats just my opinion.

I still say the flame stage in Last Blade 2 is the best stage in a fighting game ever concieved, even if its at 320X240 .

Some of the designs are weak to me, namely Faust and Potemkin. I-no, Slayer and Venom kick so much ass though. Even with that said, are they any worse than Q, Twelve, or Oro from Third Strike? Or Tetsuo...I mean K9999 or May Lee from KoF.

My dream crossover: Vampire VS Guilty Gear.
Can you imagine Slayer VS Demitri? Or Morrigan VS I-no.... buttrock

Don't forget that there is no loadings and the background special effects when you do an overdrive looks nice.
Have you tried the false roman cancels? The one where a blue aura comes out instead of the usual red one?
That move is the key to many great looking combos.Only certain moves have them.The timing is strict too.
The burst guage is useful when you want to escape combos or attacks.A blue spark(escape) would help regain some health back and the yellow spark(attack the opponent with it) would fill up the overdrive guage.

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I posted some early thoughts in the other GG thread but now that I've played it a bit more I'm even more impressed. Like Loopz said, this game EASILY has more innovation than Capcom and Playmore combined have put out in the last couple years. My only gripe about GGX was that it was JUST the arcade game (great game as it still is): no extras, etc., basically what we've gotten lately from Capcom and Playmore as well. Well, needless to say the developers threw in the kitchen sink this time. I've played it a couple hours and there's still modes I haven't even looked at yet.

I just checked out the mission mode, reminds me of the Quest mode from Soul Calibur, good stuff, but HARD.

What else...oh yeah, basically ZERO load times (less than a second from my judgement). If I didn't know better I'd swear this was on cart and not CD/DVD.

I'll admit, I've never been a fan of "dial-a-combo" fighting games as some people call them. But this game and its predecessor really have gotten my interest. I really suck at the game so far, but I'm trying to learn. Basically I can't say enough good things about this game so far. drool_2

Guilty Gear rocked. I assume that GGX2 also rocks. This thread has convinced me to buy it. w00t!

Loopz:
Some of the designs are weak to me, namely Faust and Potemkin. I-no, Slayer and Venom kick so much ass though. Even with that said, are they any worse than Q, Twelve, or Oro from Third Strike? Or Tetsuo...I mean K9999 or May Lee from KoF.

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Hey! How dare you mock May Lee. She's my favorate KoF female character right now.
I think it's a 'baggy pants' thing.
Baggy pants rock!

Anyway, Guity Gear X2. Not played it yet, but I have every other GG game there is - including the 2 WonderSwan games. Hopefully GGX2 wil get a Euro release (fingers crossed), otherwise I'll have to import.

Yea, I like the character designs and the speed of the game, as well as the ease with which combos can be chained togeather, and of course, the lovely high-res graphics.
But do those high-res graphics really compare to the liquid-smooth animation on SF3? or the insane ammount of characters in CvS2?
I dunno, I think comparing GGX/GGX2 with Capcom fighters is kinda wrong.
They have different pacing, different systems and different graphical styles, and Capcom have years of experience in fighting games behind them.
And its not like GG is the most balanced game arround (witness Milla Rage's way-too-usefull destroy move). So its different pokes for different folks (ooh-er).
SF3 is more sedate, slower-paced, smoother and thoughtfull, whereas GG games are a balls-out hack-fest where anything goes and its less to do with skill, and more about 'feeling' (If that makes any sense at all).

But, OK, mabye it IS time Capcom went high-res with their fighters.

The game is great. I have it.
I'm not totally gaga like most are though. I have to agree, a lot of these characters SUCK. Yes, they are unique. But, they stuill suck the wang.

Some are cool though. Venom, very cool.

An excellent game all around really. I just wish my MAS stick was PS2 ready.

Loopz:
They've been outdone by some hungry, talented motherfuckers who still CARE about making a good fighting game.

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That is what kills me. This little company who doesn't have the financial resources like the others can come out and pull this. Capcom and SNK/Playmore have no excuse. To me it seems like the people who made GG feel like this is THEIR game and THEIR art instead of just a job and they put their heart and soul into it. Sure some of the designs are off and seem like a waste but you can't help but see where the other parts of the game shine. You can tell when a company puts their heart and soul into something and when they just make a quick game to only bring in revenue.

Daisuke-san gets much respect from me. He's a man after myself, thats the way i see it. He had an idea and helped make it come through instead of just directing people and tell them what to do then go flirt with the secretary.

Loopz:
I'm sitting here after playing GGX2 for a while, and I'm stunned. This tiny little company, Arc System Works, has managed to break out with more 2D creativity and power than Capcom has in the last five years and Playmore's short existence COMBINED. I picked up this game thinking it would just be a minor upgrade to the first game, but I was totally wrong. The music is better than the first title, the new characters are fucking amazing and the game is nice and FAST. This game has entirely its own vibe happening, with solid physics and just a touch of the crazy air juggles people dig from the VS series without being ridiculous and overpowered like the mess that is MvC2. When I play this game, I can only weep and imagine what a similarly engineered KoF or Vampire/SF series game would be like. If anything, this game is infallible proof that had SNK not gone hog wild with all the doomed side projects (NGPC, NGCD, Hyper64) and made the NAOMI their new primary hardware five years ago, they just might still be alive today.
Capcom and the folks at Playmore should check out this game and hang their fucking heads in SHAME. They've been outdone by some hungry, talented motherfuckers who still CARE about making a good fighting game.

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Your the man.. At least I found like 10 fans on the forums. I think that it is great that you guys are supporting Guilty Gear..I thought most of you guys were just Kof and Kyo fanboys, though you proved me wrong. Just think if more people get the game, that will let them know that we could use more figures, and cool things like that here in the states =D

I just got the game, and I must agree, this is truly a work of art! too sweeten the deal are all the extra modes. I haven't been so impressed with a fighting game since Soul Blade on PS1.

Yeha this game is the shizz. Story mode is hard though. Try beating Johhny using Slayer at the the 2nd fight against him. One sword slash does you in lol. Yeow!!!!!

Wow man, just, wow. I've like totally fallen in love with this game. From the artwork, to the characters, to some of the kooky weapons used, to the fast paced yet accurate gameplay, to the kickass rock music, this game really is the shiznit. I still completely suck at it (especially aerial combos) but I've only had it for a few days. I love the challenge of some of these fights too, like Venom's story fight against a constantly recharging Slayer, or I-No's story fight against a supercharged Sol. The game is so quick yet it forces me to think at the same time. Tekken and KoF are the only other fighting series that ever made me think while playing. Plus, at $40, they've thrown in a buttload of options and modes, and I still haven't played them all yet. So far my fave character is Venom, gotta love that cue stick! buttrock

With each new installement of Guilty Gear the graphics become more impressive, the sound effects and music draw me in more, the characters get weirder, and the gameplay becomes faster and more furious.

Sometimes it's hard to believe that a company with virtually no fighting game experience created such a damn fine game.

But as far as character designs go, no game would be complete without a few lame looking designs.

For every Iori (if you don't dig Iori toss in someone you like) there is at least one Bao (everyone hates Bao, no need to change it).

Any word yet beyond roumer that this will be available for XBlive? If it is I will wait, but otherwise PS2 will do it for me.

Any word yet beyond roumer that this will be available for XBlive? If it is I will wait, but otherwise PS2 will do it for me.

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Given how much the PS2 dominates the market in Japan, I doubt an XBox version is a big priority for a small company like Sammy. It would be a great game to play online though...

I just popped in GG yesterday and finished it. Pretty good stuff but a real pain to look at. Anyway, is this coming out here and if so when?

i'll wait for the day they make a GG versus Garou (or KOF) made by Sammy glee

GGX2 is exactly like what VF4 is to 3D fighting. A very good technical fighter (2D, no less) that takes a long time to master, but it looks like it will be extremely rewarding as you get better. GGX was a cool game, but X2 seems much more fun to play. I was amazed at all the practical attack and defensive options the game gave you... and some of them were really original (like the yellow Burst, differences between Roman Cancels and False Roman Cancels, Negative Penalties, etc). That, and the game is totally anti-turtling. You don't see that unique focus in a figthing game... ever.

Like Loopz said, I can see how a little company like Arcsys will be the one who finally forces Capcom to put actual renewed effort on their future 2D fighters. With S-Video and component becoming the norm for game system output, it's gonna be hard for anyone to come back to a game like CvS2... that's so jaggy that you have to purposely lower the sharpness of your TV.

But then again, Capcom has been lazy-ass and has proven me wrong time after time. I personally don't want to see Capcom make another 2D fighter until they make something as good as GGX2 (both graphically and gameplay-wise). I'd rather see them make different games like Viewtful Joe and Dark Phoenix than see Capcom Vs. SNK 2.1294829984 Pro Extended Version with old-as-dirt Morrigan sprites from OG Darkstalkers.

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Heh, exactly!!
Capcom has the resourses to make a good game and also a good port if they wanted to.They are just so lazy that they don't put much effort into their games lately(PS2 and JPN XBOX port of MvC2, DMC2 etc...)
How could a small company such as arc system works managed to deliver a perfect port of GGXX for the PS2 is mind boggling indeed!
Its a Naomi game for god's sake and porting it to the PS2 will be hard because of the hardware differences, among other things and its a 2d game(VRAM heavy).They still got the job done.It also proves that the PS2 is capable of doing perfect ports of Naomi 1/2 games or any other games IF the developers sit down and work on it diligently instead of being lazy and just doing whatever they feel like they can do with the difficult to grasp PS2 hardware...

Capcom should set their goals high if they want to make a better fighting game in the future...

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