McVeigh got what was coming to him

Sifl

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Although I sometimes agree with his views on the gov't. (ironic cuz I am a federal employee), that shit he did was inexcusable. Too bad this isn't Utah, where they still have the firing line. If it were, The Governor should have let the victim's family members make up the line.
Imagine what that would look like. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">
 

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They should have televised his execution.Iori i have AIM now my user name is RNeoGeo.

[ June 11, 2001: Message edited by: HOMESLICE ]
 

Neo Rasa

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It was televised on a closed circuit set up in some areas for some of the relatives of the deceased.

This is so fucking retarded, the media is still going on about it as if he's still alive or as if he's ABOUT TO BE executed. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
 

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He got off to easily I think... Such a humane death for all the pain he caused.

He killed 19 little kids.

He deserved 1000 times the suffering as far as I'm concerned.

If there is a hell McVeigh, I hope you're burning in it right now. <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">
 

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I do not agree!
I was sort of close to an IRA terrorist bomb in London years ago, and whilst I agree that Terrorist Bombers are the LOWEST and most cowardly, Evil excuses for people, I feel that by executing them we sink to their level. It sort of reinforces, in the minds of similar sick individuals that they are fighting some kind of "War" against a foe that will kill them if it catches them.

Whereas the truth is that anyone prepared to murder and maim women and children is just about the worst, and most deluded example of what humanity can produce!
They all have one thing in common, they think they are some kind of "freedom fighter" "Guerilla soldier" or "Brave Saboteur", Whereas in fact they are just a sick CRIMINAL worthy of our pity, and if we can find it in ourselves, some measure of mercy. After all, if he had been locked away where he cant hurt anyone else, there is a chance you can learn what went so wrong in his life that he thought that blowing innocent people to bits was a good idea!
Then perhaps your nation would be one step closer to stopping the next one!
Nobody's attitudes will be changed by his death, least of all his!
The only lesson to be learned from the death penalty is "You kill us, and we'll kill you"

Dont all flame me for this, I respect your need for revenge.
But understand, this sort of thing is going to happen again, and again, and again.
He was just a symptom, you'll need to fry a lot more like him before you get to the kind of people who put those ideas in his head! <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

[ June 11, 2001: Message edited by: Metal Slug ]
 

Sifl

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I see your point MS, Now that the militias now have a martyr.
But I do believe in an eye for an eye. Even if the eye has to be split 168 ways.
 

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You make some good points.

Would you say the same if you lost a parent, sibling or child in that attack?

The survivors and relatives needed retribution.
 

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Just to clarify something, since McVeigh was convicted and sentenced (and executed) through a National Federal Court as opposed to through a state, he could not have been put to death in Utah even if he had committed the crime in Utah. That's why he was killed in Indiana as opposed to Oklahoma....the national penitentiary is in IN.


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I agree that it probably was not the MOST ETHICAL thing to do in executing McVeigh. The thing about the death penalty is that NORMALLY it goes through a series of appeals in the hope that the decision will be overturned/reduced. This process costs the tax payers litterally millions of dollars. And, it forces the families/victims of the crimes to relive the crime over and over again because of new trials. In this case, however, there were no appeals (that I knew of) because McVeigh stopped them. I believe this is one case where the death penalty actually did its job the right way.

One admirable quality of this very low form of life is that he never denied committing the bombing itself. He also never said he was sorry for the atrocities/loss he caused. Tim is just one of the problems in our society that will be nearly impossible to fix. There will always be someone like him. Maybe not here in the US, but, someplace else. There will always be someone with a chip on their shoulder about SOMETHING. And, the sad thing is, what can we do about it?

I have no answers and that's my two cents.

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Sifl

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Originally posted by RevQuixo:
<STRONG>Just to clarify something, since McVeigh was convicted and sentenced (and executed) through a National Federal Court as opposed to through a state, he could not have been put to death in Utah even if he had committed the crime in Utah. That's why he was killed in Indiana as opposed to Oklahoma....the national penitentiary is in IN.


Rev</STRONG>

Yeah, I know. I hate hypothetical questions myself but I felt that the above situation was funny.
 
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I didn't read one response to this post, all I got to say is DELETE IT! Fuck that asshole!
 

Metal Slug

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Originally posted by Ghost-Dog:
<STRONG>You make some good points.

Would you say the same if you lost a parent, sibling or child in that attack?

The survivors and relatives needed retribution.</STRONG>

Yes, I would try and gain some comfort from my belief that people like him are sick and need treatment, not just criminals, needing punishment.
 

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They should have raped him analy with sword whilst placing a lady finger in his dick hole and lighting it.
 

Metal Slug

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Originally posted by Rade Kuruc:
<STRONG>They should have raped him analy with sword whilst placing a lady finger in his dick hole and lighting it.</STRONG>

Shit!
The law is fucking harsh in Canada!
 

Wing Zero

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as far as I am concerned he got what he had coming to him.
the funny thing is at like 3 in the afternoon they where still carrying on, on the news about him. I know this was bad, but time to move on, this was the closure for the families involved. This did happen six years ago, so, its just time to move on.
 

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Iori,

Please forgive me for saying this, but I bet you'd love it if things were back like they were in the 50s, no?

Judgemental White men in charge, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, and with righteous justice the order of the day...

McVey should have been tortured, right?

Justice!

Justice!

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For now, I choose to keep my opinion about the McVeigh ordeal to myself, but to make this interesting, here is an opinion I found on the net that gives a very different perspective. Any thoughts on this?
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The Morality of Survival

The biggest thing in the news now is the imminent killing of the young
soldier Timothy McVeigh by the Bush government. Even though I've never
met or corresponded with Timothy, I've had dozens of reporters calling
me for interviews in connection with the killing, because he read one of
my novels, The Turner Diaries. The reporters seem almost gleeful. One of
those awful, heterosexual White male gun nuts who doesn't follow the
party line is to be killed, and isn't it wonderful! The columnists and
editorialists like to use words such as "evil" and "monster" in their
references to McVeigh. One can imagine them all dancing the hora with
their Jewish bosses as the hour of the killing approaches and then
cheering in unison as the poison flows into his veins.

Why this enormous hatred for Timothy? They say it is because he killed
168 people. I say it is because he refuses to say that he is sorry: he
refuses to whine and make excuses and beg for his life, like they would
have done. I say that it is because he did what he did for an impersonal
reason, for an ideal, and ideals make them uncomfortable. I say that it
is because he has acted as a man of principle should act and is willing
to face the consequences for his actions, and that really goes against
the grain in this age of democracy and hypocrisy and feminism and
endless talk, with people never meaning what they say.

Someone like Bill Clinton, who orders the bombing of Belgrade and kills
thousands of civilians in order to divert attention from his domestic
problems, is forgiven immediately by the media bloodhounds because Bill
Clinton is not a man of principle. Bill Clinton is not a threat to the
rotten system which feeds the bloodhounds. They can understand and
empathize with a mass murderer like Bill Clinton, but not with a soldier
like Timothy McVeigh.

If the media people really believed that everyone who kills lots of
other people is "evil" or a "monster," they should have had a field day
when Ariel Sharon became the head Jew in Israel recently. Sharon is the
Jew who, as Israeli defense minister, set up and supervised the massacre
of some 3,000 Palestinian civilians -- mostly women, children, and old
men -- in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in 1982. Has any
journalist, the editorial writer for any major newspaper or magazine,
had anything at all to say about that recently?

You know, I'm not trying to justify the killing of civilians. I'm just
trying to explore the fundamental crookedness of the mass media in
dealing with the subject of killing. Here's another example: that's the
current media hullabaloo about the killing of 20 or so Vietnamese
civilians in 1969 by a Navy SEAL team commanded by Lieutenant Robert
Kerrey, who later was governor of Nebraska, then a U.S. Senator, and
then a presidential candidate in 1992.

In 1969 a Vietnamese family had their throats cut to keep them from
raising an alarm during Kerrey's raid in the Mekong Delta, and then 15
or 20 other civilians were shot. The raid had failed to achieve its
purpose of assassinating a Viet Cong official, but Kerrey received a
Bronze Star anyway. Now, amid a dispute about whether the Vietnamese
civilians who were killed had simply been in the way during a fire fight
or Kerrey had ordered them to be rounded up and shot, there is a great
deal of hand-wringing and soul-searching going on. The media really have
made a circus out of the affair. One could almost believe that the folks
in the media are horrified by the killing of civilians. But really, they
aren't.

When it serves their propaganda purposes they will act like
humanitarians and make a big fuss about killing civilians. They will act
as if they believe it to be a terribly reprehensible thing for which the
perpetrators should be punished. They went through that act all during
the Vietnam war. Their attitude was that White Americans were
baby-killers wreaking havoc among little Brown people in Vietnam for no
good reason. The media certainly sympathized with the demonstrators who
carried Viet Cong flags in Washington during the time that the Viet Cong
were killing American servicemen in Vietnam at the rate of 100 a day.

And now they are making a big fuss about whether Kerrey and his fellow
SEALs deliberately killed those 20 or so Vietnamese civilians 32 years
ago or not, just as they are implying that Timothy McVeigh also is a
monster who deliberately murdered the children in the day-care center in
the Oklahoma City Federal Building. But, as I already said, no one in
the controlled media has condemned Clinton for ordering the bombing of
Belgrade or the strafing of refugee columns in Kosovo.

Speaking of strafing, at the end of the Second World War U.S. fighter
pilots considered it a great sport to shoot civilians along the roads
and highways of Germany. Whether it was a refugee column fleeing the
invading Red Army or simply a German farm wife and her children walking
along a country road, American pilots would shoot them. It was
considered a sport. Everybody knew about it, but no one ever was
prosecuted as a war criminal because of it. The media never expressed
disapproval -- and in fact, it was because the media tacitly approved of
such atrocities and implicitly encouraged them with their anti-German
hate propaganda that pilots felt it was acceptable behavior. Quite a
difference from the party line taken by the media in the Vietnam war!

Did American pilots ever do any soul-searching or hand-wringing about
these casual acts of murder, the way Robert Kerrey is now about his 1969
raid on a Mekong Delta village? If so, I haven't heard about it. What
about the far more murderous carpet-bombing of German cities during the
war? These bombing raids were designed to kill as many German civilians
as possible. Since the war I have spoken with two or three American
bomber pilots who told me that they realize now that they were fighting
on the wrong side during the war, and they bitterly regret having
participated in the mass murder of Germans for the benefit of the Jews.

I am sure that most American bomber pilots never have felt a twinge of
guilt for what they did during the war, however, because most of them
were lemmings. Lemmings do not have an internal compass to tell them
what is right and wrong. As long as the media tell them that they did
the right thing in bombing German cities, they feel no guilt. It is the
ambiguous attitude of the media toward the Vietnam war that causes all
of the anguish Robert Kerrey feels about his actions in 1969.

There are many people who would excuse both the American pilots who
carpet-bombed German cities and strafed German refugee columns and
American soldiers such as Kerrey who killed Vietnamese civilians, simply
because all of these things were acts of war, and in a war anything is
permitted. Murdered civilians are simply "collateral damage." Certainly
most of the controlled mass media would go along with that view so far
as the murder of German civilians is concerned, and as I said, their
view of the Vietnam war is at least ambiguous.

What about Timothy McVeigh? No one can argue seriously that he bombed
the Federal building in Oklahoma City because he wanted to kill or
terrorize civilians. Neither terrorism nor killing civilians was his
goal. He bombed the Federal building to punish the Federal government
for its murderous behavior in burning the Branch Davidian church in
Waco, Texas, two years earlier. He wanted to send the government a
message that its behavior would not be tolerated. And part of that
message would be the killing of the government's secret police agents --
FBI and ATF agents -- who worked in the building. The fact that his bomb
would kill not only secret police agents but also civilians, including
the 19 children in the day-care center, was regrettable but unavoidable:
collateral damage. Timothy was at war against the government, and in a
war civilians are killed even when they are not deliberate targets, as
they were in America's war against Germany. But of course, none of
America's controlled media accept that view of the matter. Timothy is
"evil"; Timothy is a "monster." The American pilots who strafed German
refugee columns were just soldiers doing their job.

Is this one-sided view of things based on naivete? It's certainly not
based on patriotism. The media proved during the Vietnam war that they
have no pro-American bias based on patriotism. And it's not based on
naivete either. It's based on a conscious and deliberate intent to
deceive.

I'll give you an example. Four years ago, in my broadcast of May 24,
1997, I told you about a terrible atrocity which occurred in Italy
toward the end of the Second World War. In May 1944 Allied forces bombed
and shelled the sixth-century abbey of Monte Cassino to rubble, forcing
the German defenders there to withdraw. Among the Allied troops was a
division of Moroccan soldiers. Even then the Allies wanted to have
"diversity" among their forces in order to show the world that they
believed in racial equality.

Well, the Moroccans weren't much as fighters, but they were pretty good
at cutting the throats of prisoners after the fighting was over. And
they also excelled at raping civilians -- and prisoners too,
occasionally, buggery being an established tradition among them. The
night after the Germans had withdrawn, the Moroccans -- 12,000 of them
-- left their camp and swarmed over the mountain villages around Monte
Cassino. They raped every village woman and girl they could get their
hands on, an estimated 3,000 women, ranging in age from 11 years to 86
years old. They murdered 800 village men who tried to protect their
women. They abused some of the women so badly that more than 100 of them
died. They selected the prettiest girls for gang-raping, with long lines
of dark-skinned Moroccans waiting their turn in front of each one, while
other Moroccans held the victims down. And they raped some of the young
men as well.

Now, is this the sort of thing that our controlled media regard as
"collateral damage," which must be accepted as inevitable in time of
war? No, the media bosses understood that not even the brainwashed
American public would be happy with that explanation, so they simply
suppressed the news, just as they suppressed the news of the massacre of
Whites by Blacks in Wichita, Kansas, last December. Look in the standard
chronologies of the Second World War, and you will find no mention of
the rape of the women of Monte Cassino. Even the accounts prepared by
the U.S. War Department -- accounts which detail the battle for Monte
Cassino -- have excised any reference to what the Moroccan soldiers did
to the villagers there after the battle. Now, that's not naivete; that's
crookedness. That's deliberate intent to deceive.

Here's another example, which I've also talked about in earlier
broadcasts: that's the mass murder of the Polish military, professional,
and intellectual elite by the Soviet secret police in April 1940: some
25,000 Polish leaders altogether, the cream of the Polish nation. The
Soviet secret police had rounded up the Polish writers and professors
and military officers immediately after the Soviet invasion of Poland in
September 1939. All of these Polish leaders, seen by the communists as a
potential threat to the Soviet rule of Poland, were transported to
Russia and herded into concentration camps. Then a few months later they
were taken to execution pits, methodically murdered, and covered up in
mass graves.

Almost immediately rumors of this enormous atrocity reached the West,
when the prisoners no longer answered mail from their relatives. The
controlled media in the West suppressed the rumors. The relatives of the
media bosses were riding high as communist commissars in the Soviet
Union, and the Poles were the traditional enemies of the Jews. The media
bosses didn't care what happened to the Polish leaders, and they didn't
want to say anything bad about their brethren in the Soviet Union.

Then, in June 1941, the German Army invaded Russia, determined to stamp
out communism and end the Soviet-Jewish threat to Europe. Two years
later, in 1943, after pushing deep into Russia, the Germans stumbled
across a series of mass graves near the Russian village of Katyn. They
found the corpses of more than 4,000 of the 25,000 Polish leaders who
had been arrested by the Soviet secret police in 1939 and had not been
heard from since April 1940. The Germans called in the International Red
Cross and forensic experts from several neutral nations and also brought
in British, French, and Polish officers from German POW camps to view
the evidence. And that evidence was overwhelming. The communists had
deliberately murdered the leadership stratum of the Polish nation in
order to make the Poles easier to rule. The observers reported back to
their own countries what they had seen -- and the media not only
suppressed the reports but blamed the genocide on the Germans instead of
on the communists and Jews.

So what's the point of all this? Do I expect the controlled mass media
to change their ways? Am I advocating that they treat all atrocities in
an evenhanded way? Do I expect them to regard Timothy McVeigh as a
prisoner of war rather than as a monster and a terrorist?

No, of course not. The people who control the mass media are behaving in
a perfectly sensible way. Evenhandedness is a ridiculous concept to
them. In their view, an atrocity is something your enemies do. Whatever
the people on your side do is justifiable. During the Second World War
the Germans were their enemies, and the Americans were on their side,
and so whatever the Americans did to the Germans was justifiable or, at
worst, "collateral damage." Whenever the Germans played rough, however,
it was an atrocity, a war crime.

The media bosses realized, of course, that many Americans would not
accept such a simplistic view, and so they suppressed news of atrocities
committed by their allies -- by the Moroccans and by the Red Army, for
example -- and they exaggerated any rough tactics by the Germans, even
inventing atrocities where none had been committed.

During the Vietnam war, a generation after they had beaten the Germans,
the media bosses had as their primary motive the final destruction of
the old America, the Gentile America, with its traditions and morals and
exclusiveness. They needed to destroy America's self-confidence, confuse
its sense of identity, break down its remaining resistance to domination
by the media masters. So they treated the Vietnam war with ambiguity.
The Americans no longer were the "good guys," as they had been portrayed
during the Second World War. Any killing of Vietnamese civilians by
Americans was not treated as "collateral damage," but as a war crime.

And now, with the government totally under their control, anyone who is
against the government is their enemy. So far as the media bosses are
concerned, the government can burn as many Branch Davidian churches as
it wants. That's just "collateral damage" in the government's campaign
to keep the population intimidated. And anyone who strikes back at the
government is a "monster," a "terrorist."

As I said, all of that is perfectly sensible. They know who they are and
where their interests lie. They understand the stakes in this struggle
for mastery of the planet. They understand that we are engaged in a
total war, and they are determined to win. They are rational people.
They do whatever is advantageous for them.

And, incidentally, we should understand that however tactically wrong
the bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma City may have been, and
however regrettable the killing of innocent civilians in that bombing,
Timothy McVeigh is no monster. He is a soldier, and what he did was
based on principle. He justified his actions on the same basis that
soldiers always do: he was at war against a government that is at war
against his people.

I know that most Americans prefer not to think about that. Most
Americans don't want to choose sides in this war. Most just want to
pretend that there is no war and get on with their lives, and it's
easier to follow the lead of the media and regard Timothy McVeigh as a
monster than as a soldier. But there is a war, and in this war the rule
is: Whatever is good for our people is good, and whatever harms our
people is evil. That is the morality of survival.

It is too bad about the innocent civilians who died in Oklahoma City. It
is too bad about the Polish intellectuals and officers who were murdered
by the Soviet secret police. It is too bad about the German civilians
who were carpet-bombed by American fliers. It is too bad about the many,
many more innocent civilians who will die in the years ahead. It all
could have been avoided if we had gotten our thinking straightened out
earlier.
 

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Blah, blah, blah. I'd have sawed his fuckin' head off with a edged bamboo stick, if given the opportunity. Even if every one of those things mentioned in the above article is true, monsterous behavior does not justify monsterous behavior in order to make a statement against monsterous behaviour.

And no, I do not see his execution as monsterous. He knew full well what he was getting into and the penalty for doing so. Metal Slug has an EXCELLENT point in that now he is the martyr for the Government hating nut jobs, but there was no way to avoid that. Were he incarcerated, he would reach almost as high on the martyr meter anyway. At least this way, people's taxes aren't going toward feeding and maintaining this fuck.

And yes, when a human life has choosen a path of such grotesque destruction such as this, I have no problem whatsoever in reducing it's worth to that of tax dollars. If anything, such a comparison devalues such a life in a proper way. He has been reduced to a ledger entry that can be closed now that he can no longer suck resources from the citizenry.

The fact that he and his cause are now top news does far more damage to society than extinguishing his nothing flame of a life. He got of easy.

[ June 12, 2001: Message edited by: RyoGeo ]
 

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Although I am a liberal democrat, I believe in the death penalty, particularly in a case like McVeigh. That man killed in cold blood... The wa I see it, by killing anyone in a criminal act you forfeit certain rights -rights that include life if the actions are severe enought, and what that lunatic did was severe enough.

As for the analogy to the situation in Northern Ireland... I fail to see any stong comparison between the sizable sentiment behind the IRA (being Catholics among Protestants) vs. a bunch of psychotic anti-fedralists holed up in some camps in Idaho, Montana, and other states with an ethnic population of 10. I think those are the same folks who believe the a giant United Nations army is going to come and take away their guns <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Back to McVeigh:
If Jeffery Dahmer was still alive I'd requested that the body be fed to him <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">

(Dahmer, as you might recall, was killed in prison by a derranged inmate. No, he was not creamated, but he did make a fine creme bruele <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> ... Pass the chiati)
 

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Whoa, hold on a minute Ryo Geo. Just from reading your response I get the feeling that you think the article The Prof posted was trying to excuse McVeigh's behavior (I'll apologize in advance if I'm mistaken though). I respect you a lot and you make a valid point, but I think you might have gotten the wrong idea from the article.

After reading and rereading what was said in it, I think the article made a lot of valid points. I've said all along that the way the media has handled this whole situation has been shitty. I'm not denying that McVeigh is getting what he deserves. I mean, hell, if I had friends and/or family in that building, or if I was a survivor myself, I'd probably be one of those guys wanting to watch him die personally when he got the injection. But for the media of a government without the cleanest of track records to put their hands on their cheeks and exclaim: "Oh what a horrible thing..." when McVeigh does this shit, when they've done the same atrocities, is very hypocritical. That's about like watching Dion call somebody a thief and a liar, you can't help but shake your head in sad disbelief.

For example, look at the race riots that went through L.A. and Cincinatti. You had mobs of angry Blacks destroying anything they got their hands on, and that included innocent people and their property, not to mention their sources of income. What did the media do? They played it up like a big misunderstanding, and that the black rioters were just lashing out when backed into a corner by the system. On top of that, they got smart enough to not televise the Cincinatti riots on live TV, that way it's easier to downplay what happened when the rubble is getting swept up and the survivors are recovering in hospitals. But when McVeigh blows up a building, he's Satan incarnate. Again, this isn't justifying anything McVeigh has done, and it's not saying two wrongs make a right. But all I'm saying is that it does seem to me that when a crime is commited by a white heterosexual male, the media can't leave it alone. But you let a non-white or a homosexual commit a crime, and it gets swept under the rug pretty damn fast in comparison.

Yes, McVeigh is an asshole, and a monster. Yes, he was wrong 100%. But where was all the tearful hand-wringing or memorials when the Davidians got bombed out of their compound, and that too included innocent children? What about everytime the government bombs the shit out of a foreign country, which also includes innocent children? What about all the innocent Japanese civilians who met their fiery end in World War II? If you go on bodycounts, I'd say the government is still pretty far ahead of McVeigh in the monstrosity area.

The media will play up what it wants the citizens to be concerned about, and ignore what it wants the citizens to ignore. I can see this, anybody with a television and a relatively decent IQ can too. And on that respect, what did the media do about McVeigh's reasons for doing what he did? If you're thinking "Swept it under the rug", then I'm nodding my head in agreement already. Can any of us deny that McVeigh's reasons in and of themsleves were wrong? His actions, no doubt they were wrong, yes, but his reasons are not, in my opinion. And by the media ignoring his reasons, his problems, and these problems aren't individual to McVeigh, a lot of people have them with the government as well, they will creep back up. That's like pretending not to notice a gash on your leg, maybe if you think it's not there, it'll stop hurting. Wrong, it'll just get worse. And, unfortunately, because of this, sooner or later there will be another McVeigh. All thanks to the media, and what they choose to pay attention to.

Sorry for the long-winded rambling...
 

Sifl

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Neobuyer: Those were the good ol' days.
Bobak!: wow, first time we agreed on anything.
Proffesor Mayhem: Good Article, the media is so fucking twisted.
 

Leviathan

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well.,. execution doesn't make things right..but I do agree he should be punished. so why not let the life sentence inmates kill people like mcveigh?
 
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