WAR! What is it good for?

Originally posted by Matt Semmel:
<strong>Bush is just his dad's puppet. I ignore him and his stupid war bullshit.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i probably should have clarified on which Bush, i ment Sr.

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Originally posted by MegaDrive 20XX:
<strong>To Quote the guy in HOT SHOT Part Deux...

"WAR, It's fantastic!"

Seriously though. I don't have a problem with the people of Iraq, it's mostly Saddam and his hardline followers that are the problem, just like not everyone in North Korea is a Commie bastard looking to nuke americans. I think that war however, will more or less be inevitable though so if it's going to happen it should be done swiftly and done right. On the other hand, I still don't see why Bush doesn't just send in a Mercenary force consisting of some of the best soliders from all branches and of differet nations "sort of like the French Foregin Legion" in a Dirty Dozen kind of way... put it on a larger scale with minimal air support etc, then with assets in the field just begin attacking what needs to be attacked en force, cut off the head so to speak, and if the whole thing blows up in our face, no one is associated with the USA even if it's obvious it was us... it be indirect and could work. I have friends in those parts of the world who aren't Christian but also don't want to bomb anyone over here either. But if in the end it has to happen, then let's do this and do it right as I stated earlier.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We really need another Hot Shots movie. I for one am Sick of Movies where Russians are still the villains. Lets pick on our real enemies in movies.

We did it during WWII with VERY offensive and Raciest cartoons about the Japanese. I hate this Politically Correct Age we live in. Not that we do this to the People Of Iraq and Definataly not North Korea. But Saddam yes.

The Best way to fight the Enemy is to Laugh At them.

As Mel Brooks Said in a 60 minuates interview.

"I can't get on a box and say why Hitler was bad because that's just as bad as he was. The best thing to do is just make people Laugh at him"

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Originally posted by Queequeg:
<strong>ok, i am asking this, mostly out of curiosity, what the people here think about going to war with Iraq. should we bomb the fuck out of them? bomb the fuck out of them then send in troops followed by Razing the countryside? leave them alone?

me im partial to leaving them alone. infact the only reason i have seen for having a war is to make bush's penis a little bit longer, maybe up to a full inch.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only reason they are having to go back into Iraq is because the politicians did not allow the soldiers to do their job the first time they were there. Back when Desert Storm was going on they should not have stopped until they took Bagdad and had Saddam in custody or dead. Had they finished the job the first tme this would not be back to bite us in the ass now.

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Originally posted by Queequeg:
<strong>me im partial to leaving them alone. infact the only reason i have seen for having a war is to make bush's penis a little bit longer, maybe up to a full inch.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just cover your eyes and it will all go away. <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

Oh, and next time your measuring the President's cock, ask him to speed those tax cuts up for us. I need more Neo games. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Shred:
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The only reason they are having to go back into Iraq is because the politicians did not allow the soldiers to do their job the first time they were there. Back when Desert Storm was going on they should not have stopped until they took Bagdad and had Saddam in custody or dead. Had they finished the job the first tme this would not be back to bite us in the ass now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What is biting anyone in the ass now? What has Iraq done lately? In any case the UN resolution that Desert Storm was launched under was to liberate Kuwait, nothing more.

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Originally posted by BlackSpy:
<strong>Seriously though, what is wrong with being a Communist?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Absolutly nothing. the only problem IMHO with communism is it hasnt been implemented the way it was origionally intended.

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Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>We need to go to Iraq, eliminate Saddam, save those poor people, and install a Democratic government. Do you know what he DOES to the people who speak out against him?

Or even the other shit he openly puts out there that we don't see reported?

Fucker needs to die and now.

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

I couldn't have said it better myself...

Although, sometimes I get the idea that Bush is after Oil more than he is peace. I know thats kinda cynical of me but, looking at Bush's track record... I can't help but think otherwise.

I wish a normal citizen would get to run for office... Rich pussies need to be shot down.

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Originally posted by Queequeg:
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Absolutly nothing. the only problem IMHO with communism is it hasnt been implemented the way it was origionally intended.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree, my question was directed at MegaDrive for his running together of 'Commie' and 'Bastard' for no clear reason beyond habit.

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Originally posted by BlackSpy:
<strong>Seriously though, what is wrong with being a Communist?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well if Socialism/Communisim was actually practiced in the vein of Marx & Engels then maybe it wouldn't be so frowned upon, but the communism that became the USSR and the remnants of communism existing today are perverted versions of what it was supossed to be about. I for one thought what the great Che Guevara was fighting for after siding with Fidel was actually praise worthy, but then it got perverted from it's original intentions and thus that's why everyone hates communisim. Probably the reason he broke off from Fidel and went to die in Bolivia in another Guerrilla Foco attempt to crush oppressive regimes in Latin America. A good look at this without having to break out all the history books and specialty book on the subject is the book within a book of Emmanuel Goldstein in Orwells 1984... it breaks down the need for the system and how without a state of sameness created through ingnorance and man having only what it needs in the moment, keeps everyone from attainting too high, but no one can feel bad because everyone is equal. But as we've seen in the real world... Communisim just doesn't work, though I often wonder about democracy as well since we seem to little by little, generation by generation falling towards a socialistic state oursleves and it's the ppl who are handing it all over in the hope of solace from the federals, because most are too lazy to do anything for themselves unlike a certain freedom group in Chiapas Mexico.

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Originally posted by BlackSpy:
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What is biting anyone in the ass now? What has Iraq done lately? In any case the UN resolution that Desert Storm was launched under was to liberate Kuwait, nothing more.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Still having to deal with this ass Saddam. Besides not cooperating with the UN in its search for weapons of mass destruction nothing. Yeah and without Saddam in Iraq you wont have to worry about that happening again now would you.

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Originally posted by BryLmoo:
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I couldn't have said it better myself...

Although, sometimes I get the idea that Bush is after Oil more than he is peace. I know thats kinda cynical of me but, looking at Bush's track record... I can't help but think otherwise.

I wish a normal citizen would get to run for office... Rich pussies need to be shot down.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is what is so very very sad.

WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT IRAQ HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF OIL????

They have hardly anything compared to Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. WHY DO YOU THINK SADDAM INVADED KUWAIT IN THE 90'S? He wanted thier OIL, cause he doesn't have that much. I mean look at the size of Iraq, if it was teeming with oil why would he go after such a small country like Kuwait?

Please, if Bush was really after Oil we'd be attacking Saudi Arabia, they have some evidence about the Saudi's having terrorist camps/training grounds, not to mention all the other shit they've said or done since 9/11. We could come up with 500 million reasons to take them out, but we're going after Saddam cause he could get a Nuke or Bio weapons if we're not careful, and if that happens we'll have a situation like that in North Korea, where they can't do anything, but neither can we since they have that Nuke Trump card.

-JHendrix

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Originally posted by MegaDrive 20XX:
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Well if Socialism/Communisim was actually practiced in the vein of Marx & Engels then maybe it wouldn't be so frowned upon, but the communism that became the USSR and the remnants of communism existing today are perverted versions of what it was supossed to be about. I for one thought what the great Che Guevara was fighting for after siding with Fidel was actually praise worthy, but then it got perverted from it's original intentions and thus that's why everyone hates communisim. Probably the reason he broke off from Fidel and went to die in Bolivia in another Guerrilla Foco attempt to crush oppressive regimes in Latin America. A good look at this without having to break out all the history books and specialty book on the subject is the book within a book of Emmanuel Goldstein in Orwells 1984... it breaks down the need for the system and how without a state of sameness created through ingnorance and man having only what it needs in the moment, keeps everyone from attainting too high, but no one can feel bad because everyone is equal. But as we've seen in the real world... Communisim just doesn't work, though I often wonder about democracy as well since we seem to little by little, generation by generation falling towards a socialistic state oursleves and it's the ppl who are handing it all over in the hope of solace from the federals, because most are too lazy to do anything for themselves unlike a certain freedom group in Chiapas Mexico.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Actually the biggest problem with any type of government is sitting right there in front of your computer. People are the big problem give someone a little power and they will end up corrupted and wanting more.

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Originally posted by Shred:
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Still having to deal with this ass Saddam. Besides not cooperating with the UN in its search for weapons of mass destruction nothing. Yeah and without Saddam in Iraq you wont have to worry about that happening again now would you.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I might not have to worry about anything but there are millions of Iraqis that would have a shit load to worry about. Being bombed by both sides, that would be a rare treat.

He is co operating now though and nothing is being discovered despite the full help of western intelligence and no delay that lasted more than ten minutes on entering a plant they wanted to inspect. Even chemical analysis of cotton swabs at fully kitted labs aren't finding anything.

Even if they did find something they should destroy it and keep looking, not flatten the country.

Regards Bry's comment on his cynicism I don't think I've heard a more charmingly innocent thought in an age. The idea Bush is after anything other than oil is bizzare.

If Bush wanted peace he would not have left in Afghanistan in the mess it is. Oppression of women as bad as ever, tribal violence on the increase, opiate production at massive levels and the detention of prisoners without charge, notification or access to legal counsol, D'oh, that last one was the US under Bush, how clumsy of me.

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Originally posted by JHendrix:
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This is what is so very very sad.

WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT IRAQ HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF OIL????

They have hardly anything compared to Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. WHY DO YOU THINK SADDAM INVADED KUWAIT IN THE 90'S? He wanted thier OIL, cause he doesn't have that much. I mean look at the size of Iraq, if it was teeming with oil why would he go after such a small country like Kuwait?

Please, if Bush was really after Oil we'd be attacking Saudi Arabia, they have some evidence about the Saudi's having terrorist camps/training grounds, not to mention all the other shit they've said or done since 9/11. We could come up with 500 million reasons to take them out, but we're going after Saddam cause he could get a Nuke or Bio weapons if we're not careful, and if that happens we'll have a situation like that in North Korea, where they can't do anything, but neither can we since they have that Nuke Trump card.

-JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>


Actually N. Korea right now is just a danger to those closest to it. They are still don't have fully working long range missles. I would be doing more about N. Korea right now than Iraq as N. Korea has already shown they will sell missles to the middle east. How long before a nuke goes the same way as the scuds they found shipped from N. Korea?

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Originally posted by JHendrix:
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This is what is so very very sad.

WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT IRAQ HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF OIL????

They have hardly anything compared to Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. WHY DO YOU THINK SADDAM INVADED KUWAIT IN THE 90'S? He wanted thier OIL, cause he doesn't have that much. I mean look at the size of Iraq, if it was teeming with oil why would he go after such a small country like Kuwait?

Please, if Bush was really after Oil we'd be attacking Saudi Arabia, they have some evidence about the Saudi's having terrorist camps/training grounds, not to mention all the other shit they've said or done since 9/11. We could come up with 500 million reasons to take them out, but we're going after Saddam cause he could get a Nuke or Bio weapons if we're not careful, and if that happens we'll have a situation like that in North Korea, where they can't do anything, but neither can we since they have that Nuke Trump card.

-JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

Iraq is estimated to have around of 4% of world oil reserves. That is a huge amount. Just because its not most doesn't make it insignificant.

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