RIAA Retardedness

Daisuke Jigen

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<a href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,57048,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,57048,00.html</a>

The Recording Industry Association of America may not want people to share digital files, but the organization certainly seems to be in favor of open access to its website.

On Monday, the RIAA site was hacked for the sixth time in six months.

This time, the defacement resulted in bogus press releases on the front door, touting the joys of cheese and interspecies romantic relationships. The RIAA's role as the music industry's voice against digital piracy makes it an obvious target for those who are angered by what they see as the organization's overly vehement crusade for copyright owners' rights.

Since the RIAA site is such a tempting target, many wonder why the organization hasn't made more of an effort to secure its site. On Monday, access to the site's supposedly private innards was gained in much the same way as it was last August.

Some security experts said in no uncertain terms that the latest defacements indicate the RIAA is clueless about technology. They charge that this ignorance has resulted in the RIAA attempting to combat digital file sharing in ineffective, counter-productive ways.

"It's obvious that they don't get the Web, and they don't get technology, or they'd understand how to protect their own website," said Wall Street systems administrator Anthony Negil.

"The flaws that people are exploiting to access their site are elementary security issues, and there's no excuse for an organization that purports to understand the dark side of the Internet to leave such gaping holes in their own network infrastructure."

In response to the August defacements, the RIAA upgraded its server software. But the software wasn't the problem.

"My opinion is that the people at the RIAA (who are) making the statements about P2P hacking and the (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), the executives and legal staff, are completely disconnected from the technical folks who actually run the website," said Robert Ferrell, a systems security specialist.

Ferrell and others predicted that if the RIAA escalates its antipiracy efforts, the organization's site will be completely knocked off the Internet.

"The RIAA honestly has no idea what they're up against. They will be toast the first time they try to shut down a P2P network being used by any serious black hats," Ferrell said.

The last time the RIAA site was hacked, downloadable pirated music was posted. This time, a URL allowing access to the RIAA's system for posting press releases was made publicly accessible, allowing people to post messages that then appeared on the RIAA's official press release page.

The URL was widely circulated on Internet relay chat groups on Monday. People merrily posted bogus press releases and waited for the RIAA's reaction.

Hours later, they were still waiting. The hole stayed open for seven hours.

"Hey, don't you think they should have noticed that press release urging people to have sex with barnyard animals by now?" one chat participant asked, several hours after the bogus press releases first hit the RIAA site.

A spokeswoman for the RIAA said the problem would have been identified and handled sooner had it not occurred over the holiday vacation week. She declined to comment on why the RIAA site has suffered so many security problems over the past few months.

"I believe that the RIAA honestly has no idea what they're up against," Ferrell said. "The RIAA and MPAA are Internet disasters of potentially epic proportions just waiting to happen, and while I don't ordinarily side with defacers and script kiddies, in this case I'll make an exception."


That's so damn funny.
 

X-death

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Dammit. I hate people like that. Napster was one of the greatest MP3 program ever but nooooo. They had to ban it because of counterfeiting CD's and DVD's.
 

Plisken

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lol, that was a great read, thanks a bunch. The RIAA are and have been proved an intolerant bunch of morons once again.
 

Daisuke Jigen

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Originally posted by X-death:
<strong>Dammit. I hate people like that. Napster was one of the greatest MP3 program ever but nooooo. They had to ban it because of counterfeiting CD's and DVD's.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Please don't respond to any topics I begin, ever.
 
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You guys are a bloody riot. You hate "da r0mzzz" but are all for MP3 file sharing... It's all piracy, any way you cut it <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />
 

X-death

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Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen :p lease don't respond to any topics I begin, ever.
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I could respond to whatever topic I want to respond
to MotherFucker.
 

Daisuke Jigen

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Originally posted by X-death:
<strong>

I could respond to whatever topic I want to respond
to MotherFucker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're a freakin moron, and can't even use the quote feature correctly.
 

Yodd

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Originally posted by X-death:
<strong>

I could respond to whatever topic I want to respond
to MotherFucker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I will go one further and say "How about not responding to any threads posted anywhere on neo-geo.com".
 

EVIL NICK

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Originally posted by snkneogeousaCTH:
<strong>You guys are a bloody riot. You hate "da r0mzzz" but are all for MP3 file sharing... It's all piracy, any way you cut it <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't file share, but this RIAA thing is a big joke...
These are the people who want to have LEGAL access to your computer's files through hacking?!
<img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />
 

X-death

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Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen:
You're a freakin moron, and can't even use the quote feature correctly.<hr></blockquote>

I can. Has it ever occured to you that I messed up?
 

VinylBoy

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Originally posted by snkneogeousaCTH:
<strong>You guys are a bloody riot. You hate "da r0mzzz" but are all for MP3 file sharing... It's all piracy, any way you cut it <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Time to step up on this one...
Not all cases of MP3 Sharing or ROM Downloading is "pirating". You can't blame everyone who has downloaded a full working game or song, for there are people who DO go out and buy the original. As much as I want to believe that MP3 File Sharing is runing the music industry, I can't help but think that it isn't the major issue. Case in point, if artists like Eminem can still sell millions of copies of his albums EVEN while his entire album is available for free on the internet, then other artists can do that as well. If MP3s were really the issue, then nobody would have albums that go multi-platinum.

The only way for the whole MP3 madness to stop is for the RIAA and music executives at the biggest labels to accept the technology. Why can't a record label offer a MP3 recorded version of their album with JPG or PDF cover art and liner notes at $7-8 a download, or specific singles and remixes for $2-3? People could STILL go out to pay the $12-$20 for a hard copy release if they'd want to (and most would do that), but at least this way they can ideally make some money using the internet. There are artists out there right now that make singles available ONLY on MP3... for instance, a famous techno DJ by the name of Dave Clarke made an entire album available only on MP3, and allowed people to pay a small price for it online to download it. Instead of dealing with the record label drama and all of the shady politics that goes along with it, he took it upon himself to sell it from his own website and made a LOT of money.

Record labels have ALWAYS been greedy, and don't want to allow more power in the hands of those that actually make the music. MP3 and the internet allows for people to make money with their music, without ever having to deal with the big name labels. Until they wake up and learn how to work with the technology and not against it, it's only going to get worse. For every Napster, AudioGalaxy, Kaaza or WinMX they take down, there will be a dozen more to take its place.

Hell... what are they going to do if and when MP4 comes into the picture? :D
 

J. Max

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The RIAA is a bunch of out-of-touch idiots. First of all, the proverbial genie is out of the bottle. They can't stop P2P sharing; hell, I'd even call it mainstream at this point. Second, to illustrate what a bunch of hypocrites they are, Sony and Phillips are members of the RIAA. Divisions of their companies also make MP3 players and CD-Rs. The ONLY reason to own an MP3 player is to play music downloaded from the internet (yes, I know you can rip your own CDs, but who does that?). Yet, the RIAA won't after them, because they are too big. Their own members are skirting the "piracy" rules.
 

evil wasabi

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File shareing is here to stay.

USE WIN MX actully don't ever try to get KOF Music on that it's a pain......

[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: bemanisuperstar ]</p>
 

Loopz

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The RIAA is a bunch of out-of-touch idiots. First of all, the proverbial genie is out of the bottle. They can't stop P2P sharing; hell, I'd even call it mainstream at this point. Second, to illustrate what a bunch of hypocrites they are, Sony and Phillips are members of the RIAA. Divisions of their companies also make MP3 players and CD-Rs. The ONLY reason to own an MP3 player is to play music downloaded from the internet (yes, I know you can rip your own CDs, but who does that?). Yet, the RIAA won't after them, because they are too big. Their own members are skirting the "piracy" rules.
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They'll NEVER fucking get it. You want to cut piracy in half by 50% overnight? Price new CD's at what they should be...$10. Tops. As long as new music CD's go for up to $18, they'll keep getting fucked. And rightfully so. All of their prices and schemes are about nothing but gouging consumers hand over fist. You reap what you sow.
I hope the script kiddies keep givin' em hell. They've earned every iota of electronic terrorism thrown their way.
 

SonGohan

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I want everybody to stop using the internet

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ok, I really only want x-death to stop :D
 

rarehero

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funny you should mention their website.
my favorite college radio station pulled their
streaming music for internet listening at the end
of 2002 because of the restriction/royalty fees that
the RIAA has already impressed on everyone.
i tried contacting them (RIAA) through a link to them from a website.
one that led to their contact section
and it didnt work. almost like a submission process similar
to a bbs. dumb they had no email addy to write to.
it came up with an error. not of some hack attack
but from what i can tell probably a error in whatever
cgi scripts they had i guess.
so i instead found my local representatives in congress to
write to instead.
written a whole letter about the differences in commercial radio and
public/college radio and asking maybe for a tax exempt status for
them or some solution.
of course that wont be listened to though.
because they will still be believing they are sticking
up for the little bands i guess.
its not like most bands dont get their start
through college radio anyways.
but far from me being bitter.
the RIAA is on my shit list.
i cant wait for them to incur royalties upon used CD stores.
theyre making quite a name for themselves.

[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: rarehero ]</p>
 
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Just another organization of assholes who need to be taken into a dark alley and beaten to death with ball bats and bicycle chain whips. FIGHT THE POWER!
 

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This sort of reminds me of making the "burn-proof" CDs that had a special groove to keep anyone from lifting and making counterfiet CDs. Then all pirates had to do was cover the groove in a line of black sharpie marker. XD

6 times in six months... The irony of file-sharing.
 

candycab

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Originally posted by J. Max:
[QB]T (yes, I know you can rip your own CDs, but who does that?). QB]<hr></blockquote>

actually I have ripped almost every cd I own onto one of my hard drives so I can then make my own cds for use in my car , I also use my pc in the bedroom as my music jukebox, at this point I almost never use my origional cds at all anymore. As far as P2P goes I use it more for video files than I do for MP3's.

Most of the time I will grab a few new tracks and check them out and if I like what I hear I actually go and buy the cd rather than hasseling with figuring out what songs are on the cd and finding the complete rips and then stealing the music. I also dont share any of my music or vid files when using P2P software , partly because I am on DSL and the upload sucks since it dictates your throughput coming in.

So yes a few of us actually use our pc's as music servers and have packed our cd's away , I currently have around 15 gigs of mp3's on my pc about 98% of which I actually own the cd.I also have and use a personnal MP3 portable player { diamond rio 500 } for various outdoor activities.

In short If I cant rip a cd I wont buy it {It is then useless to me}, they can keep it ! and I will keep my money.

[ January 06, 2003: Message edited by: candycab ]</p>
 

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actually I have ripped almost every cd I own onto one of my hard drives so I can then make my own cds for use in my car , I also use my pc in the bedroom as my music jukebox, at this point I almost never use my origional cds at all anymore.<hr></blockquote>

I'm pretty much the same. I've got over 500 cd's at home (not counting cd-based games with "soundtracks" that I'd like to rip.)

From time to time I grab 25-30 of them, rip the songs that I like and dump them on my laptop so I can have music at work or on the bus. I also dump them on CD (as MP3's). Sometimes I send a couple to a few friends for them to listen too. Most will go and hunt for the CD's if they do or just nuke them.

I also go through some old tapes and convert them to MP3's and/or CD's since I can't find them on CD.

Out of all of the MP3's I've got, there might be 5-10% which could be considered "pirate". Mostly because I can't find them on actual CD's over here. P2P file sharing is a BIG pain, and I get annoyed with downloading something only to have the host disconnect on me and getting tons of unfinished files. It's generally my last resort when I'm looking for something.
 
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